band statement? Will this ever end??

[bionic]

For the past 2 weeks or so i have been so confused regarding this Augeri miming thing.The band have released no statement,despite Andrew contacting them, we are all left to argue and become more confused.
By all accounts Steve Augeri is to do another Tall Stories cd,but how can he with no voice? How does he sing 'Anytime' 'Edge of the Blade' live this was not in the 2001 dvd?
How scared will he be when he goes on stage next if people suspect him miming?
Yet the guy from Sweden rock sounds legit,some bootlegs sound suspect which makes me wonder what is going on with this band.
Either way the up coming gigs should answer some questions especially if he drops his mike!!,people will be watching and asking questions.
Lets hope it is all rumour or they will be losing a lot of fans.

[WalrusOct9]

Seriously, a band statement would help things a lot. Even if it was "yeah, we did that, sorry, it won't hapen again."

It'll be interesting what happens, since undoubtedly U.S. shows will be taped, and then compared to Manchester or other 2006 bootlegs. I can't imagine them using the exact same tape as in Europe, but then again a week ago I couldn't imagine this happening in the first place (much less being dumb enough to use the soundtrack to a DVD we've had for 4 years)

[odessa]

First off...I am neutral on this. I don’t know if he did or he didn’t. I’ll say this though....

There was a scandal like this that Stern broadcasted (for another singer) and you can here what he broadcasted below. The story goes that Enrique was lip-synching to the song during a concert and this is claimed to be a recording of what was actually going through his microphone as he pretended to sing:

http://www.madsb.com/enrique/indexeng.htm

the actual recording....

http://www.madsb.com/enrique/enrique.mp3


Enrique said to Howard Stern that the recording was more likely him messing with the sound-guys during a sound-check. He didn't deny it was him, though. I guess this is what fans expect to hear and they won’t be satisfied until they do.

If Augeri didn’t do it, then it’s easy to dismiss the speculation by issuing a statement. That puts the matter to rest. They have more to lose by not saying anything than saying something. If he did, well he can say nothing and take his chances that it won’t be found out. He will have to sing for the entire length of the tour . If he has an off day or problems, people that are aware of this will make noise. He can't use a backing tapes at all. If he does and some sue happy fan see it (not Deano), or someone decides to turn him in, Journey can be sued. In Europe they may ask for their money back, but they won’t sue. In the US that's a different story. The whole situation is a big risk because it has made news, even in Canadian Classic Rock news!!! Journey needs to say something.

As someone who is neutral on this, I will also say, this is a bad situation all around because I don’t like the idea of "outsiders" (none journey fans) getting a negative impression of the old and current line up. When they hear some of the garbage arguments floating around they will think we are all stupid, one way or the other.

Those that support the current line up trying to make this into a Perry/Augeri or Perryloon conspiracy-are beginning to look desperate. Perry ain’t in the band. He is not singing and he is not the sound guy. There are other people who have reason to see Journey go down. Anyone from an angry employee to an angry ex associate or someone who hates a band member. Perry ain’t the only person. Again the Perry/Augeri arguments or even putting Perry in this when he has left the band as a performer is desperate...at best.

Shouting at the Mod here for allowing the discussion, when he clearly has not gone in favor of the theory, is stupid. He reported what is going on only and asked that the band say something. In my opinion, he is more on the side of the band, but he had to report this as it would look bad if he did not. He did his job...end of story.

If people are angry that the Mod has allowed the discussions then don’t read the board. Go back to the official board where members want harp playing only- no meaty discussions on worthwile issues. You shouldn't come here and expect that's censorship- and it ain’t going to happen unless the band indicates that they are being slandered. They have said nothing. If some fans don’t like what people say (what the do) freely here, then don’t read. Everytime the complainers join the discussion you look like a hypocrite. You can't ask for censorship from the Mod but then expect that you should have your say freely. My only thing here is music, and the truth about what’s happening, that’s all.

Again, I am on no side, but my own and I want the truth. Whoever is lying should accept the consequences, be it the band or the fans that are making the claims. Gets no plainer than that.

These are just reports out there. Journey needs to say something...even if it’s simply “fuck off it’s all bull"! It’s makes no sense to have the fans abusing each other over this. If they like this from their fans then go to it....



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Hollywood Dish - If You're A Coverband, Have A Coverband Name -
By Matt Iseman, Actor & Comedian

April 21, 2006

He's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack (Didn't think he was still with us, but Matt is back!)

I just went to see Journey live in concert and I was so excited until I got there and found out that they had fired their lead singer, Steve Perry, and replaced him with a new guy, Steve Augeri. Yet, they were still calling themselves Journey. Don't charge me Steve Perry prices to watch some long haired pretender do karaoke. Stop calling yourselves Journey because without Steve Perry you are not Journey, you are a Journey coverband. So take a coverband name: instead of Journey you could be A Really Long Trip. Or Didn't Stop Believin'. Or four guys whose names you don't know and a dude whose name sounds phonetically close to Steve Perry. I don't care how many original band members are left, nobody goes to a concert to see the drummer (except for the one-armed guy in Def Leppard who looks like he's playing Whack-a-Mole on expert level). Van Halen is the only band where you might justify keeping the band name while changing singers. But when Sammy replaced Diamond Dave, most people took to calling them Van Haggar. And even those that didn't know they were listening to a step-Halen: you still called them Van Halen, but they weren't your real Van Halen.

Look, I know history is rife with bands replacing lead singers and going on to fame and fortune: Genesis, AC/DC, Chicago, Anthrax, and Menudo. But I challenge the honesty of a brand that has gone close to 20 years since having a meaningful hit and then replacing the voice that got them there and still acting like you're the same band.

Steve Perry: I'm forever yours...faithfully.

In the spirit of full disclosure, I still bought the concert t-shirt.

http://dorynsdish.blogs.com/doryns_dish ... index.html

[A Fire Inside]

Hollywood Dish - If You're A Coverband, Have A Coverband Name -
By Matt Iseman, Actor & Comedian

April 21, 2006

This guy should join Perryville. "Journey is a cover band"?

Surprised he didn't quote anything about cracking the stone...

[*Laura]

Regardless of what my personal beliefs are after listening to the songs presented by Dean,I think the whole situation looks pretty critical for Journey.
First,because of the lack of communication between the fans and them.The band knows that at this point it would be crucial to release an official statement and yet they don’t do it.
The more they wait the worse it looks.Especially with the US Tour starting tomorrow,an official reply would have been a much better move that this suspicious silence.
I hope they are not so naïve to believe that this will go away without any kind of repercussions.
Second,it’s the stressful circumstances under which they will walk on stage starting tomorrow.
I can’t even imagine the number of times they will be all thinking:”I wonder how many people in the audience tonight know about it? How many out there are taping this show?”
Although they will struggle to look comfortable on stage,deep inside they will not be at ease…And at some point their inner concernes will become noticeable in their stage presence.
I am very interested to see some unbiased reports and reviews coming from people who will attend the shows.
No BT ones,sorry.I would like honest reviews, not odes and mantras.

[bionic]

First off...I am neutral on this. I don’t know if he did or he didn’t. I’ll say this though....

There was a scandal like this that Stern broadcasted (for another singer) and you can here what he broadcasted below. The story goes that Enrique was lip-synching to the song during a concert and this is claimed to be a recording of what was actually going through his microphone as he pretended to sing:

http://www.madsb.com/enrique/indexeng.htm

the actual recording....

http://www.madsb.com/enrique/enrique.mp3


Enrique said to Howard Stern that the recording was more likely him messing with the sound-guys during a sound-check. He didn't deny it was him, though. I guess this is what fans expect to hear and they won’t be satisfied until they do.

If Augeri didn’t do it, then it’s easy to dismiss the speculation by issuing a statement. That puts the matter to rest. They have more to lose by not saying anything than saying something. If he did, well he can say nothing and take his chances that it won’t be found out. He will have to sing for the entire length of the tour . If he has an off day or problems, people that are aware of this will make noise. He can't use a backing tapes at all. If he does and some sue happy fan see it (not Deano), or someone decides to turn him in, Journey can be sued. In Europe they may ask for their money back, but they won’t sue. In the US that's a different story. The whole situation is a big risk because it has made news, even in Canadian Classic Rock news!!! Journey needs to say something.

As someone who is neutral on this, I will also say, this is a bad situation all around because I don’t like the idea of "outsiders" (none journey fans) getting a negative impression of the old and current line up. When they hear some of the garbage arguments floating around they will think we are all stupid, one way or the other.

Those that support the current line up trying to make this into a Perry/Augeri or Perryloon conspiracy-are beginning to look desperate. Perry ain’t in the band. He is not singing and he is not the sound guy. There are other people who have reason to see Journey go down. Anyone from an angry employee to an angry ex associate or someone who hates a band member. Perry ain’t the only person. Again the Perry/Augeri arguments or even putting Perry in this when he has left the band as a performer is desperate...at best.

Shouting at the Mod here for allowing the discussion, when he clearly has not gone in favor of the theory, is stupid. He reported what is going on only and asked that the band say something. In my opinion, he is more on the side of the band, but he had to report this as it would look bad if he did not. He did his job...end of story.

If people are angry that the Mod has allowed the discussions then don’t read the board. Go back to the official board where members want harp playing only- no meaty discussions on worthwile issues. You shouldn't come here and expect that's censorship- and it ain’t going to happen unless the band indicates that they are being slandered. They have said nothing. If some fans don’t like what people say (what the do) freely here, then don’t read. Everytime the complainers join the discussion you look like a hypocrite. You can't ask for censorship from the Mod but then expect that you should have your say freely. My only thing here is music, and the truth about what’s happening, that’s all.

Again, I am on no side, but my own and I want the truth. Whoever is lying should accept the consequences, be it the band or the fans that are making the claims. Gets no plainer than that.

These are just reports out there. Journey needs to say something...even if it’s simply “fuck off it’s all bull"! It’s makes no sense to have the fans abusing each other over this. If they like this from their fans then go to it....



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Hollywood Dish - If You're A Coverband, Have A Coverband Name -
By Matt Iseman, Actor & Comedian

April 21, 2006

He's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack (Didn't think he was still with us, but Matt is back!)

I just went to see Journey live in concert and I was so excited until I got there and found out that they had fired their lead singer, Steve Perry, and replaced him with a new guy, Steve Augeri. Yet, they were still calling themselves Journey. Don't charge me Steve Perry prices to watch some long haired pretender do karaoke. Stop calling yourselves Journey because without Steve Perry you are not Journey, you are a Journey coverband. So take a coverband name: instead of Journey you could be A Really Long Trip. Or Didn't Stop Believin'. Or four guys whose names you don't know and a dude whose name sounds phonetically close to Steve Perry. I don't care how many original band members are left, nobody goes to a concert to see the drummer (except for the one-armed guy in Def Leppard who looks like he's playing Whack-a-Mole on expert level). Van Halen is the only band where you might justify keeping the band name while changing singers. But when Sammy replaced Diamond Dave, most people took to calling them Van Haggar. And even those that didn't know they were listening to a step-Halen: you still called them Van Halen, but they weren't your real Van Halen.

Look, I know history is rife with bands replacing lead singers and going on to fame and fortune: Genesis, AC/DC, Chicago, Anthrax, and Menudo. But I challenge the honesty of a brand that has gone close to 20 years since having a meaningful hit and then replacing the voice that got them there and still acting like you're the same band.

Steve Perry: I'm forever yours...faithfully.

In the spirit of full disclosure, I still bought the concert t-shirt.

http://dorynsdish.blogs.com/doryns_dish ... index.html

Great post sir! Well if this rumour is true and i have been told he has a tape for around 50-70% of the show,then it proves Perry cannot be replaced.
This undermines everything the band have tried to achieve with Steve A and shows the band only care about getting their wages payed. How long did we have the Perry/Augeri debate well now that will be over.As perry may not have the voice he once had but he has a voice and its real and he never lipped live.The band could be taking the name of Journey and making a laughing stock in the music world.Hey when someone is suspected of miming 'they are doing a Journey' will be the phrase.It will be such a diservice to Greg Rolie and Perry these guys should be having words with them!!

[WalrusOct9]

Honestly the band's silence speaks louder than any of the mp3 samples going around.

It would be so easy for any band to release a statement saying "WTF? That's total bullshit!"

Unless of course they are unable to say that truthfully...

[EightyRock]

If this is going down the way the Swedish guy and another one, what's his name, Kaj (?) said it is, there is nothing to "see or report" from the concert, unless you have access to what their sound man is doing, which they said they did. They claim that he is singing, but he is not in the mix that goes to the audience. So what could you possibly see or hear?

[odessa]

Hollywood Dish - If You're A Coverband, Have A Coverband Name -
By Matt Iseman, Actor & Comedian

April 21, 2006

This guy should join Perryville. "Journey is a cover band"?

Surprised he didn't quote anything about cracking the stone...

I'm sorry, but I don't undertand the point? I also don't think this is a joke. What does the author's perferance have to do with the scandal at hand? He is a member of the general public. The only ones that will be laughing at this is the general public...at the band.

Again, this is not about Perryville, Perry or what the author says. It isn't a good defence to what is going on. Real defence is what the band needs. The point here is that HE -The Author-REPORTED IT! The band NEEDS to say something because people are REPORTING IT to the general public as NEWS. There are people who are not on these sites that are reading or hearing this and no other side. That was my point. What fan sites say is one thing, what the general public believe, is another.

FYI his comments were made BEFORE R Deano's blog look at the date. The point is what the author said...

"... watch some long haired pretender do karaoke".

That is why I posted this and why the band NEEDS to say something.

[RossValoryRocks]

Actually since the guy is a comedian, I think Joe Q. Public will take it with a grain of salt. Also he isn't talking about any of the current Bruhaha he is refering to what he feels an "original band" should be. At least that is how I read it.

[odessa]

Actually since the guy is a comedian, I think Joe Q. Public will take it with a grain of salt. Also he isn't talking about any of the current Bruhaha he is refering to what he feels an "original band" should be. At least that is how I read it.

I would agree IF the comments were made after R Deano's blog and the Sound guys report- that are coming out NOW. What people will remember is that this "comedian" made the jokes then but NOW they are hearing it may not have been simply jokes at all.

Again, the "jokes" were made in April. This thing is blowing up in June. Since I not on either side, like the music, but am also a memebr of the general public posting here, can you guess what I think... given what's coming out into the mainstream?

[cetera]

By Matt Iseman, Actor & Comedian

Comedian?!? I'll be the judge of that!!

[A Fire Inside]

I'm sorry, but I don't undertand the point? I also don't think this is a joke. What does the author's perferance have to do with the scandal at hand? He is a member of the general public. The only ones that will be laughing at this is the general public...at the band.

Again, this is not about Perryville, Perry or what the author says. It isn't a good defence to what is going on. Real defence is what the band needs. The point here is that HE -The Author-REPORTED IT! The band NEEDS to say something because people are REPORTING IT to the general public as NEWS. There are people who are not on these sites that are reading or hearing this and no other side. That was my point. What fan sites say is one thing, what the general public believe, is another.

If you're not making a statement about Perry, why did you post this article, written by one of the numerous idiots who hasn't gotten over the fact that lineups change? This article mentions NOTHING about the subject at hand (SA miming through shows). It just whines that SP isn't there anymore. The only thing I can see that you might think is about the "subject" is this author's complete ignorance of a singer that came in almost a decade ago. Cover band? Please. Find another article to prove your point.

[lshphrd]

I still don;t see why given the integrity and reptuation of the band why
they need to respond to this rumor and conspiracy.

[StyxCollector]

I still don;t see why given the integrity and reptuation of the band why
they need to respond to this rumor and conspiracy.

Are you kidding? You are that much of a fan to take them based on their reputation alone? OK, they deserve the benefit of the doubt to some degree since they have not (until at least 2003 and the rumors went away quietly) been thrust into a negative light in this manner.

But this accusation hangs over the band like a skunk spraying you - it's there and very noticeable. Yes, they are damned if they comment, and damned if they don't, but the longer the silence goes on, the worse it looks for them.

If what Deano has posted had zero basis with no way in hell it was true, why wouldn't they just say it and be done with it? Instead, they let the fans stew and fight over it (except for the loyal zealots who would follow them if a member of the band farted and then they'd say it smelled like roses), and now the story is seeping out beyond the music community.

It just doesn't look good or smell right on any level. If Deano is wrong, he's wrong. But they need to do something other than what they are doing --- which is nada.

[odessa]

I'm sorry, but I don't undertand the point? I also don't think this is a joke. What does the author's perferance have to do with the scandal at hand? He is a member of the general public. The only ones that will be laughing at this is the general public...at the band.

Again, this is not about Perryville, Perry or what the author says. It isn't a good defence to what is going on. Real defence is what the band needs. The point here is that HE -The Author-REPORTED IT! The band NEEDS to say something because people are REPORTING IT to the general public as NEWS. There are people who are not on these sites that are reading or hearing this and no other side. That was my point. What fan sites say is one thing, what the general public believe, is another.

If you're not making a statement about Perry, why did you post this article, written by one of the numerous idiots who hasn't gotten over the fact that lineups change? This article mentions NOTHING about the subject at hand (SA miming through shows). It just whines that SP isn't there anymore. The only thing I can see that you might think is about the "subject" is this author's complete ignorance of a singer that came in almost a decade ago. Cover band? Please. Find another article to prove your point.

Why would I find another article when you clearly can’t get the gist of the first one I posted?

Again...

This isn’t about Perry. From a PR and Marketing point of view; an article such as this-given the current climate- is damaging. Yes, the author had already given his preference, so what do you think he would write (even in the context of a joke) if he knew about the current Journey controversy? Perhaps MORE damaging things with facts behind them. For every person that reads this man’s comments there is a potential fan who may not spend money for tickets to see the band. You may not care but the band does, I assure you.

Again...Read what he said

“ watch some long haired pretender do karaoke".

What is the issue being discussed now...in June on this board? Does it make any sense?

That is why I posted this and why the band NEEDS to say something. If you do not understand the power of suggestion ( even from a village idiot) then I can not help you and I will not keep explaining to you (the subconscious and conscious) effect it may have on the viewing public. Even if you do not like this guy there are others who may. I simply did a search on this issue and he came up. I do not know this man, nor am I a fan of his, but the date and his one negative comment is what stuck in my mind and his employment. Now, what do you think he will say if he found out that this was being discussed? What do you think he would write? You may not care, but the band and it’s PR should

FYI... this guy does have a reading audience, just like the Mod here does. Which means, there is a large amount of influence in what is said and what is being joked about. That's a fact. If you care to dismiss it. Fine. The band cannot.

So what does this article prove...Simply stated, it proves I look at this from a PR perspective. I have shown that Journey needs to address the issue so that people like this do not continue writing as they have with potential evidence behind them. If they do, Augeri will suffer more negative publicity.

You may see this writer as an idiot, but he is an idiot with a “voice” that influences the public for good or bad. Howard Stern may come across as a joker, but he is a joker with a microphone in his face that influences millions. Different mediums, same effect...influence and power. That’s the point of my thesis!

I can’t make it any simpler for you to understand. However, I would suggest that you see this from a different perspective before commenting on it, if you truly support the band.

[A Fire Inside]

Don't tell me how to support the band.

[lshphrd]

Don't tell me how to support the band.

my point exactly. If I feel I don;t need an explaination then
so be it,.

[KittyKat]

Band announcement front page on BT

[lshphrd]

Band announcement front page on BT

kind of speaks for itself.

[whocares]

what a bore...
Backtalkers are getting boring.

This Band needs REAL spindoctors, not rabid fans who live and breath (no pun intended), on their own dreams....

sigh

[Rockindeano]

what a bore...
Backtalkers are getting boring.

This Band needs REAL spindoctors, not rabid fans who live and breath (no pun intended), on their own dreams....

sigh

Hey! How dare you say Pitman is boring!

He coined the phrase, "You mess with Journey, you mess with me!" I still laugh daily at Pit. So sad.

[whocares]

haha, yeah well. without naming names...

That's like saying don't mess with Texas. Texas is boring too. Though not as boring as driving through Kansas. F*:k Texas AND Kansas.

Oh, and btw, I never wanted a problem wiht the band and MR.com. I love this site, and I'd hate for something bad to come of it for Andrew, but at least we can speak our minds here. For better or for worse.

[Saint John]

Yeah, some of the Back Talk loonies were saying Andrew sold the band out and stuff like that. Hey Andrew, don't you know you must kiss this lineup's @ss night and day or you will be torn to pieces at BT. LOL That site is joke...nothing more than a cult following (most, not all). Thank you for the opportunity to actually debate here.

[wildone]

Yeah, some of the Back Talk loonies were saying Andrew sold the band out and stuff like that. Hey Andrew, don't you know you must kiss this lineup's @ss night and day or you will be torn to pieces at BT. LOL That site is joke...nothing more than a cult following (most, not all). Thank you for the opportunity to actually debate here.

Very true ...shit i mean i'm still here...lol and i didn't last to long in back talk ...me and my own damn opinion what was I thinking...

[Andrew]

Oh, and btw, I never wanted a problem wiht the band and MR.com. I love this site, and I'd hate for something bad to come of it for Andrew, but at least we can speak our minds here. For better or for worse.

I'm sure there won't be a problem. Thanks for the post.

[Andrew]

Yeah, some of the Back Talk loonies were saying Andrew sold the band out and stuff like that.

That's certainly disappointing....but these are emotional times though and I'm sure anyone who said that will see the big picture and reality again eventually.

[wildone]

Yeah, some of the Back Talk loonies were saying Andrew sold the band out and stuff like that.

That's certainly disappointing....but these are emotional times though and I'm sure anyone who said that will see the big picture and reality again eventually.

been a way for a few days andrew what the heck is going on over there in bt??/why no news yet? and is there any where we can read a statement from you to bt??

[Mrs H]

Backtalk loonies?
The biggest loonie is here.
Next thing you know, he will have all of you drinking purple kool-aid.
And no, I don't think it's funny. I am not trying to make a joke.
I am sadly, all too serious.
If any of you really care for this guy, get him checked in.
Do it now.

[whocares]

I don't care for anyone I've never met or talked to, but I love purple kool-aid. DO NOT go bashing purple kool-aid.

Opinions is all we're talking about here people, you believe them or you don't. Doens't mean you have to go telling people that other people ont he boards are bi-polar or anything else. Hell, I think the whole stinkin' lot of people here are messed up in some ways. Saying someone is bi-polar isn't a funny thing to do.

Think before you speak, people.