Why Journey Owes Me and You and Explanation

[Memorex]

I first became a fan in 1979. I was 13 and I was in a phase of leaving my parents music and discovering my own. And since that time, they have always been my favorite band. Well, up until recently. They were my first concert and gave me so many memorable moments over the years. I have gotten to meet all of them and I feel like much of their music is timeless.

Journey has asked us over the years to trust them and believe in them. They have called their music the soundtrack to our lives, timeless, etc. They said it was all about the fans and the critics never got it. They asked us to invest in them as a band, especially after Perry left.

I think when you have this kind of a connection, it has to run both ways. In this regard, I feel like Journey owes us a statement. I have always said they owe us nothing. This is when I am talking about personnel changes, behind the scenes stuff, etc. But here is a situation where our band is facing pretty serious allegations. It has hit some mainstream media and several long-time fans have asked for a response.

I don’t think it’s fair to suggest that Journey should not respond, while collecting premium ticket dollars none the less. By not responding, they are contributing to the tarnishing of the band I have put so much into. It offends me.

[*Laura]

Ditto.

[Monker]

Frankly, I think Journey should continue to ignore it, just to piss people off who have invested so much time and emotion to the topic. You guys have gone WAY too far and for you to demand this and that from the band is a bit hillarious....Ignoring it all is the PERFECT response to such insanity.

I first became a fan in 1979. I was 13 and I was in a phase of leaving my parents music and discovering my own. And since that time, they have always been my favorite band. Well, up until recently. They were my first concert and gave me so many memorable moments over the years. I have gotten to meet all of them and I feel like much of their music is timeless.

Journey has asked us over the years to trust them and believe in them. They have called their music the soundtrack to our lives, timeless, etc. They said it was all about the fans and the critics never got it. They asked us to invest in them as a band, especially after Perry left.

I think when you have this kind of a connection, it has to run both ways. In this regard, I feel like Journey owes us a statement. I have always said they owe us nothing. This is when I am talking about personnel changes, behind the scenes stuff, etc. But here is a situation where our band is facing pretty serious allegations. It has hit some mainstream media and several long-time fans have asked for a response.

I don’t think it’s fair to suggest that Journey should not respond, while collecting premium ticket dollars none the less. By not responding, they are contributing to the tarnishing of the band I have put so much into. It offends me.

[Mandi]

Frankly, I think Journey should continue to ignore it, just to piss people off who have invested so much time and emotion to the topic. You guys have gone WAY too far and for you to demand this and that from the band is a bit hillarious....Ignoring it all is the PERFECT response to such insanity.



This would have been my response if Monker hadn't so wisely posted it first. I totally agree. To acknowledge every crazy accusation that is flung at them would take all of their time. To ignore all the crazy accusations shows how little they even think of the issue to give it the time of day. Such ignorance as this deserves nothing more than silence. It is the PERFECT response to such insanity.
Mandi

[Memorex]

With all due respect, it's not a crazy allegation. This is very real.

They have respinded to less, that's for sure.

[Jeremey]

My impression is this: To talk about how great your fans are, and to make such a huge deal as Jon Cain does that the fans are everything, and they make this band what it is, and then to not at least have an official mention of the allegations or anything, even to just say that "It's all vicious lies" or whatever, is just kind of arrogant if you ask me.

[Eric]

Jeremy,

How do you even know that they have paid even a second of attention to some little internet rumour?

[Rockindeano]

Jeremy,

How do you even know that they have paid even a second of attention to some little internet rumour?

I can unequivocally tell you that as fact. They have, and they are.

[Eric]

Deano. ..was it you who was gonna be the new lead singer? You were gonna post clips of you singing last fall!!

HOOOOOOOH

[wildone]

Frankly, I think Journey should continue to ignore it, just to piss people off who have invested so much time and emotion to the topic. You guys have gone WAY too far and for you to demand this and that from the band is a bit hillarious....Ignoring it all is the PERFECT response to such insanity.



This would have been my response if Monker hadn't so wisely posted it first. I totally agree. To acknowledge every crazy accusation that is flung at them would take all of their time. To ignore all the crazy accusations shows how little they even think of the issue to give it the time of day. Such ignorance as this deserves nothing more than silence. It is the PERFECT response to such insanity.
Mandi

wow so it's ok to be pulling the wool over your livelyhoods eyes and try and get away with it without responding at all???This is way bigger then just a few lil so called rummors flying around...If your lively hood was in question ...wouldn't you?

[Milos]

The fact is if it wasn't true, they would have immediately refuted the rumor when Andrew first contacted the band for a statement. They could have ignored it for a while when they thought it was just a small group of trouble-makers, but it had to be obvious to them after a while that the allegations were taking on a life of there own and needed to be addressed for the good of the Journey fan community (not to mention the band's reputation).

They know they can't exactly lie about it and say it's not true and that it never happened. To do so would open a flood gate of outraged fans that would stop at nothing to present evidence to the contrary and that evidence would be hard to refute. In the end, they would be branded as liars as well as fakes and lose what's left of their integrity.

So, the only thing left to do is say nothing and at least get through the tour. Then, they can decide what to do for damage control.

I personally think the whole situation is unfortunate because I'm sure they only did it to get through a few rough spots with Augeri's health. Now, they are caught with their hands in the cookie jar. The fact is that even if Augeri is getting some occasional help, Journey still kicks most other band's butts musicianship-wise. I mean Dean is still drumming and Neil is still shredding on guitar. That's mostly what I'm looking at anyway, but then again I'm a musician...

[Citygirl]

I agree they do need to say something.

If it's right enough, they should admit it. I know it might mean the end for Steve Augeri, but a load of people believe it anyway so if it's true then they'd best to be honest about it. If it's not true, they should set the record straight. Having been in the front row in Edinburgh I didn't think he was miming. But, having said that, I'm beginning to wonder because no band member has made any comments. I know if I was in a band and people were accusing my bandmate of miming etc and he hadn't been, I'd be making sure everyone knew it was bollocks, but there's been none of that. That's why I'm wondering if there is actually some truth to this rumour.

Thing is, if he's having trouble with his voice and has resorted to this, then why keep touring the way they do? It's not unusual for a singer to have problems if they put that much strain on their voice... and the answer would be, take some time out and let your voice recover. They have plenty ££ so they could easily do that.

Anyway, like I said, I still don't believe he was miming in Edinburgh... but the fact that the band is not commenting is the problem.

[Journey/Survivor]

A band, any band, would be stupid to respond to false allegations made against them by someone who is spreading these false rumours!

Many of the people who are making these false accusations just can't seem to get it thru their thick skulls that if Journey respond to their false accusations then it would open the door for everyone who wants to cause problems for the band, or anyone who just wants attention for themselves.

The majority of Celebrities choose NOT to respond to lies that are spread about them and they just go on with their lives.

Most of those who are screaming bloody murder for the band are doing so because they either want to be a thorn in the side of Journey, or that they are trying to call for attention to themselves because they do not have a life or friends.

Most of you who are making these false allegations know damn well that you are either not even a Journey fan, or you at least resent Steve Augeri because he's not Steve Perry!

This is 2006, not 1981.

[StyxCollector]

A band, any band, would be stupid to respond to false allegations made against them by someone who is spreading these false rumours!

Many of the people who are making these false accusations just can't seem to get it thru their thick skulls that if Journey respond to their false accusations then it would open the door for everyone who wants to cause problems for the band, or anyone who just wants attention for themselves.

The majority of Celebrities choose NOT to respond to lies that are spread about them and they just go on with their lives.

Most of those who are screaming bloody murder for the band are doing so because they either want to be a thorn in the side of Journey, or that they are trying to call for attention to themselves because they do not have a life or friends.

Most of you who are making these false allegations know damn well that you are either not even a Journey fan, or you at least resent Steve Augeri because he's not Steve Perry!

This is 2006, not 1981.

I'm not making any accusations at all - and I've been a Journey fan since Escape came out.

I'm not screaming bloody murder, but a simple, "We know things are being said about us and we are handling it through the appropriate channels" type of message would be acknowledgement enough. It's not a denial, nor is it admitting, it's just saying, "Yes we know and we're dealing with it in our own way."

I'll say it again: I like a lot of the studio output of Journey since 1998. But the band, right or wrong, are not helping themselves because all they have left are the die hards for the most part.

All anybody wants is the truth no matter what the outcome. What I believe may be different from you, but that is of no consequence.

[Andrew]

Most of you who are making these false allegations know damn well that you are either not even a Journey fan, or you at least resent Steve Augeri because he's not Steve Perry!

I think that is one of the most inaccurate comments I have seen to date posted here.

[Monker]

A band, any band, would be stupid to respond to false allegations made against them by someone who is spreading these false rumours!

Not only that but it would be validating Dean and his wild conspiracy theories. That alone is a mistake. Considering some of the wild and crazy things he has publicly stated towards the band, WHY SHOULD THEY TAKE HIM SERIOUSLY? It's ridiculous to demand this and that, or else. What is he, some kinda terrorist with hostages, or a nuke or something. "Admit to faking lead vocals or I'll blow up San Francisco..." That's what most of his "demanding" posts have sounded like.

Most of you who are making these false allegations know damn well that you are either not even a Journey fan, or you at least resent Steve Augeri because he's not Steve Perry!

And, that is another very good reason to NOT say anything. The Perry crowd, which has jumped on this bandwagon (in fact, I think they make up most of it), havve also made all kinds of outrageous statements over the years. What should the band validate THAT by a 'statement'.

If they do say something, I think it's a mistake.

[JrnySuxBalls]

A band, any band, would be stupid to respond to false allegations made against them by someone who is spreading these false rumours!

Yeah, but what about the lip syncing?

[Journey/Survivor]

Most of you who are making these false allegations know damn well that you are either not even a Journey fan, or you at least resent Steve Augeri because he's not Steve Perry!

I think that is one of the most inaccurate comments I have seen to date posted here.

I don't agree in the slightest! I don't think anything could be truer!

[JrnySuxBalls]

Most of you who are making these false allegations know damn well that you are either not even a Journey fan, or you at least resent Steve Augeri because he's not Steve Perry!

I think that is one of the most inaccurate comments I have seen to date posted here.

+1

[Journey/Survivor]

Most of you who are making these false allegations know damn well that you are either not even a Journey fan, or you at least resent Steve Augeri because he's not Steve Perry!

I think that is one of the most inaccurate comments I have seen to date posted here.

Andrew, I'm sure your a fairly reasonable person. You have got to be able to see the hand writing on the wall!?!?

Look at how many of the people on here that are spreading these rumors as being gospel are Steve Perry fanatics. I'm a huge Steve Perry fan myself, but I realize that no singer has ever been or ever will be bigger than the band!

I know you have visited Back Talk many times, haven't you seen the Perry VS Augeri wars that take place over there?

There are people who are so deticated to either Steve Perry or Steve Augeri that it SEEMS as if they would love to see the other guy dead.

And I have been on other music websites that have forums where people pretend that they are a fan of a band and then they do nothing but rip on that band.

You are aware of trolls aren't you?

I completely stand by what I said!

[JrnySuxBalls]

This Journey issue, for once, has very little to do with Steve Perry at all.

[Andrew]

And I have been on other music websites that have forums where people pretend that they are a fan of a band and then they do nothing but rip on that band.

New to this board aren't you! I've seen and heard everything mate....I have seen it all right here...

[Journey/Survivor]

This Journey issue, for once, has very little to do with Steve Perry at all.

Just because the people who are spreading these rumors may not be talking about Steve Perry all of the time does not mean that they can't have the agenda of getting Augeri kicked out of the band so that Steve Perry can come back to the band, or that they just flat out resent Augeri because he is the guy who took over for Perry.

Or even that they want Deen Castronovo to be the full time lead vocalist in Journey. And yes, there have been people running that agenda as well.

[Journey/Survivor]

And I have been on other music websites that have forums where people pretend that they are a fan of a band and then they do nothing but rip on that band.

New to this board aren't you! I've seen and heard everything mate....I have seen it all right here...

Are you actually denying that that happens

If you haven't seen that by now then you haven't been on very many forums other than your own!

I have seen that done many, many times believe me!!!

[JrnySuxBalls]

This Journey issue, for once, has very little to do with Steve Perry at all.

Just because the people who are spreading these rumors may not be talking about Steve Perry all of the time does not mean that they can't have the agenda of getting Augeri kicked out of the band so that Steve Perry can come back to the band, or that they just flat out resent Augeri because he is the guy who took over for Perry.

Or even that they want Deen Castronovo to be the full time lead vocalist in Journey. And yes, there have been people running that agenda as well.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone that can sing would be good.

[Journey/Survivor]

I should add the fact that at least here on your site you require people to register to post on your site. There are and have been other sites that did not require registration and therefore trolls would post under all kinds of names.

I have had e-mail conversations with the webmaster of some of those sites where they have told me that when they did a check they found that some people would even argue with themselves under different names. In other words a guy would post something saying that Iron Maiden are the greatest band of all time, and then under a different name he post something saying that Iron Maiden suck big time. Or a guy would start an argument with someone under one name and then defend that person under a different name.

There are a bunch of no life trolls out there on the net!

[A Fire Inside]

Monker for the win! I have never agreed so much with this guy as I have in the last few weeks.

It IS hilarious how many of you are ready to slit your throats over this awful revelation.

[Memorex]

It's easy to advise them to say nothing when you think they might be guilty.

It's not just Deano anymore. This stuff has hit the internet at a pretty feverish pace. Uncle JHoe, whether he believe's it or not, is pretty big-time. If I was Journey, I'd be concerned that it even crossed his desk.

I'm sorry you doubt the sincerity of my post. This has nothing to do with Steve Perry, but the legacy of Journey. It has to do with my friuends laughing at me after all the years I stuck up for this band. I'm sorry, but this should be addressed. If not, I am done completely with anything goiong forward. I know that for sure.

Uncle Joe, Andrew, Me, and nearly every other person on either side believes it must be addressed. I clearly see that the only ones calling for them not to are the ones who are afraid of the truth.

And everyone needs to shut the hell up about the legality of all this. It's not slander if it's true. As far as bootlegs, Deano is the least of their problems. It's the guys recording their shows that need to be addressed.

I agree that a lot should not be addressed by bands. A person's sexual orientation, family life, financial situation, etc. But please - if the singer is using a tape, say so.

[A Fire Inside]

Uncle JHoe

A+

[Marabelle]

don't label me as a perryfanatic and an augeri not like-er or a journey hater. i enjoy the band. i enjoy augeri. i enjoy perry. i just would like to know what the band has to say about this; this is awful and i hope it's not true. all i want is a f**k off statement and we can all go back to our adulation.