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I can't believe how far off track things get here.

Here is my claim.

1- I said that Augeri wasn't just getting help, he was mouthing, lipping, miming, whatever, to 95% of the show, all but 1 week of the tour.

2- The tape is NOT backing vocals..those are happening, but I don't care about that. The tape I am concerned about is the LEAD VOCAL TAPE.

3- A majority of the songs, Separate Ways, Escape, Faithfully, Ask the Lonely Who's Cryin' Now, Stone in Love , Anyway You Want It and Be Good to Yourself are ALL from Las Vegas, 2001 DVD.

4- Don't Stop Believin' is mostly from the Vegas show, but obviously chopped up due to Vegas' extended version.

5- Las Vegas 2001 DVD, was performed live, but what you bought in the store, was not live..not even close. It was recorded in studio!

6- The Place in Your Heart is straight off the CD.

7- Faith in the Heartland is lipped, many of it from the studio CD, and some from another version.

08- The other songs, such as Chain reaction and Edge of the Blade, are recorded studio tracks.

9- The ONLY song Augeri sang 100% live was lovin' Touchin" Squeezin." Notice now they don't play that one anymore? Too hard to lip that one..To choppy...

So yes, this is what I am accusing the band of doing. Any deviation of this is not my responsibilty.

I thought this version of the band wasn't allowed to re-record songs written or co-written by Perry...

whocares wrote:I thought this version of the band wasn't allowed to re-record songs written or co-written by Perry...

Obviously that wasn't a problem since they released the Vegas DVD full of Perry-era songs.

Also, as was said, they supposedly demoed several old Journey tunes with Augeri in '98 for promotional purposes, although I find it odd that they did that and those demos have never leaked out to collectors.

Rockn'deano wrote:I can't believe how far off track things get here.

Here is my claim.

1- I said that Augeri wasn't just getting help, he was mouthing, lipping, miming, whatever, to 95% of the show, all but 1 week of the tour.

2- The tape is NOT backing vocals..those are happening, but I don't care about that. The tape I am concerned about is the LEAD VOCAL TAPE.

3- A majority of the songs, Separate Ways, Escape, Faithfully, Ask the Lonely Who's Cryin' Now, Stone in Love , Anyway You Want It and Be Good to Yourself are ALL from Las Vegas, 2001 DVD.

4- Don't Stop Believin' is mostly from the Vegas show, but obviously chopped up due to Vegas' extended version.

5- Las Vegas 2001 DVD, was performed live, but what you bought in the store, was not live..not even close. It was recorded in studio!

6- The Place in Your Heart is straight off the CD.

7- Faith in the Heartland is lipped, many of it from the studio CD, and some from another version.

08- The other songs, such as Chain reaction and Edge of the Blade, are recorded studio tracks.

9- The ONLY song Augeri sang 100% live was lovin' Touchin" Squeezin." Notice now they don't play that one anymore? Too hard to lip that one..To choppy...

So yes, this is what I am accusing the band of doing. Any deviation of this is not my responsibilty.

And this would be claimed for what time frame?

WalrusOct9 wrote:

whocares wrote:I thought this version of the band wasn't allowed to re-record songs written or co-written by Perry...

Obviously that wasn't a problem since they released the Vegas DVD full of Perry-era songs.

One-time agreement in exchange for Perry's editing rights on BTM (according to HH).

WalrusOct9 wrote:Also, as was said, they supposedly demoed several old Journey tunes with Augeri in '98 for promotional purposes, although I find it odd that they did that and those demos have never leaked out to collectors.

I musta missed that...

jrnyman28 wrote:

WalrusOct9 wrote:

whocares wrote:I thought this version of the band wasn't allowed to re-record songs written or co-written by Perry...

Obviously that wasn't a problem since they released the Vegas DVD full of Perry-era songs.

One-time agreement in exchange for Perry's editing rights on BTM (according to HH).

WalrusOct9 wrote:Also, as was said, they supposedly demoed several old Journey tunes with Augeri in '98 for promotional purposes, although I find it odd that they did that and those demos have never leaked out to collectors.

I musta missed that...

I have it. The demo'd about 6 songs....all the hits and Augeri sounded good on it..

jrnyman28 wrote:

WalrusOct9 wrote:Also, as was said, they supposedly demoed several old Journey tunes with Augeri in '98 for promotional purposes, although I find it odd that they did that and those demos have never leaked out to collectors.

I musta missed that...

That's what Neal said when he got so pissed at us for saying on the VH1 board that they were using Perry's voice in their adds to sell tickets to their shows.

ace wrote:

Rockn'deano wrote:I can't believe how far off track things get here.

Here is my claim.

1- I said that Augeri wasn't just getting help, he was mouthing, lipping, miming, whatever, to 95% of the show, all but 1 week of the tour.

2- The tape is NOT backing vocals..those are happening, but I don't care about that. The tape I am concerned about is the LEAD VOCAL TAPE.

3- A majority of the songs, Separate Ways, Escape, Faithfully, Ask the Lonely Who's Cryin' Now, Stone in Love , Anyway You Want It and Be Good to Yourself are ALL from Las Vegas, 2001 DVD.

4- Don't Stop Believin' is mostly from the Vegas show, but obviously chopped up due to Vegas' extended version.

5- Las Vegas 2001 DVD, was performed live, but what you bought in the store, was not live..not even close. It was recorded in studio!

6- The Place in Your Heart is straight off the CD.

7- Faith in the Heartland is lipped, many of it from the studio CD, and some from another version.

08- The other songs, such as Chain reaction and Edge of the Blade, are recorded studio tracks.

9- The ONLY song Augeri sang 100% live was lovin' Touchin" Squeezin." Notice now they don't play that one anymore? Too hard to lip that one..To choppy...

So yes, this is what I am accusing the band of doing. Any deviation of this is not my responsibilty.

And this would be claimed for what time frame?

From about the 5th show of the 30th anniversary up until the last show in Europe a few weeks back. I cannot say for certain regarding the US shows, so I won't.

Do you plan on attending any of the U.S. shows, Dean?

The ONLY song Augeri sang 100% live was lovin' Touchin" Squeezin." Notice now they don't play that one anymore? Too hard to lip that one..To choppy...

FYI Deano, the encore at The Playhouse in Edinburgh was "Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin".... so it's not true that they don't play it.

heardonthestreet wrote:Do you plan on attending any of the U.S. shows, Dean?

Are you high? Pay to see this shit? To see a mime?

To see Jon cain play with integrity?

What a sick joke of a question that is.

Rockn'deano wrote:

heardonthestreet wrote:Do you plan on attending any of the U.S. shows, Dean?

Are you high? Pay to see this shit? To see a mime?

To see Jon cain play with integrity?

What a sick joke of a question that is.

We should go to a few US shows - and stand out front with signs letting the public know what they are paying for.

We should go to a few US shows - and stand out front with signs letting the public know what they are paying for.

And grab Steve Augeri's arse to see whether he's miming or not!

Rockn'deano wrote:9- The ONLY song Augeri sang 100% live was lovin' Touchin" Squeezin." Notice now they don't play that one anymore? Too hard to lip that one..To choppy...

Well, thank God. I was getting really tired of that song.

So basically they lipped the last tour and possibly this one...? I was unclear on that since you or others had made it sound like everything since 2001 has been taped. So they really haven't been doing it for long, then, and you can't claim much money in losses if that's the case.

From about the 5th show of the 30th anniversary up until the last show in Europe a few weeks back. I cannot say for certain regarding the US shows, so I won't.






This has been going on since last year with approx 50 shows and nobody has gotten wind of this or suspected it before ?????


I finf this hard to beleive because last year when I wrote my review from a September Show I had mentioned how they were good but SA was a bit off his game he didn't sound as good as he had in the past, so If they were using recordings it would of sounded much better. The night I saw them SA sounded great on Feelin That Way and Anytime and didn't sound so well during the "greatest hit set" while he was not bad I have just heard him better

I can only accuse them of what I exactly am sure of.

I am sure of all but a week of last years' tour, and the Europe shows this year were alllipped.

I am fairly certain that lipping has been going on for much longer, although not exclusively like last year.

They had to be doing some lipping because even Vegas 2001 was released it wasn't a live recording, so something was already fucked up as far back as 2001.

zino wrote:From about the 5th show of the 30th anniversary up until the last show in Europe a few weeks back. I cannot say for certain regarding the US shows, so I won't.






This has been going on since last year with approx 50 shows and nobody has gotten wind of this or suspected it before ?????


I finf this hard to beleive because last year when I wrote my review from a September Show I had mentioned how they were good but SA was a bit off his game he didn't sound as good as he had in the past, so If they were using recordings it would of sounded much better. The night I saw them SA sounded great on Feelin That Way and Anytime and didn't sound so well during the "greatest hit set" while he was not bad I have just heard him better

Some of us knew last year, but could not say anything without proof. Deano finally decided to put the proof out there. Add Svante's experience and well, now it's out there.

So that makes 3 people, who are you guys do you work with the band ?? How can we be sure of what you are saying in the facelss world of the internet. What makes your posts more believable than mine if I was to say that I talked to Jouney Managemnt and they are sayin it is or isn't true. You have no idea who I am and I have no idea who you are so why should all these people believe what is written.

To me it seems that you have some connection with the band if you say you have gotten your hands on SA's demo tape that I can believe but other than that, you say you can report on EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE SURE OF...my question his how do you know 100% sure

To me it seems that you have some connection with the band

That's exactly what I was thinking. You guys are too sure of yourselves to just be fans. You must either have a connection with the band or have access to demo tapes etc... maybe as sound guys or something?

Les wrote:

To me it seems that you have some connection with the band

That's exactly what I was thinking. You guys are too sure of yourselves to just be fans. You must either have a connection with the band or have access to demo tapes etc... maybe as sound guys or something?

I have absolutely no connection to the band - expcept 30 years of support. But I can hear as well as the next guy. Listen to what's out there. Read Svante's post.

I'll tell you this, if Journey had responded weeks ago, even if it was a lie, I would have been more apt to believe them. The silence says volumes to me.

I have read, and listen to all I could get my hands on. My point is how can you be 100% sure you have not been to every show. If we are matching boot legged recordings to a professional recoreded dvdand NOBODY in the US broke the stry last year during the 30th Ann. tour and people are sitiing right there in the front row. I find it very hard to believe that this has been going on since the 2nd week of the tour last year. The story would of made it out there before now.

I have read, and listen to all I could get my hands on. My point is how can you be 100% sure you have not been to every show. If we are matching boot legged recordings to a professional recoreded dvdand NOBODY in the US broke the stry last year during the 30th Ann. tour and people are sitiing right there in the front row. I find it very hard to believe that this has been going on since the 2nd week of the tour last year. The story would of made it out there before now.

zino wrote:I have read, and listen to all I could get my hands on. My point is how can you be 100% sure you have not been to every show. If we are matching boot legged recordings to a professional recoreded dvdand NOBODY in the US broke the stry last year during the 30th Ann. tour and people are sitiing right there in the front row. I find it very hard to believe that this has been going on since the 2nd week of the tour last year. The story would of made it out there before now.

For those that would lsiten, the story did break. I don't think anyone was certain as to the extent of it. What's more likely - Deano is sitting around doctoring boots to harm a band he has long supported, even in the Augeri years? Or Journey is totally innocent, but still chooses to say nothing about it?

Common sense.

I have stated several times - the tape issue just made me think less of them and stop seeing them. But no biggie. But once it was out there and they did not respond, that's what really gets to me. They have Joe Elliot out there fielding questions about it instead.

Good questions.

I suspected it the 2nd week of last years tour. He was so awful the first week and magically was hitting everything perfect. I have the Vegas dvd emblazened in my mind. I can hear a song and immediately tell you if it was from vegas or not.

I have boots from last year from all over the tour, and different months. Same old thing. I have told many this but will say again.

I truly thought Journey deserved a pass last year. So Augeri broke down and this was the biggest tour for them.The 30th Anniversary Tour. I let it go in hopes and thought s they would never consider it this next year. These guys are unbelievable. I finally said something after that stupid assed red13 egged me on, and there you have it. however, Journey, being as arrogant as they are, read this board, and still continued to do the taping over across the Atlantic. Not until this REALLY got heated up, they have supposedly started singing live or semi live this year. Augeri is hiding behind that giant mic, standing off to the side of the stage, not out front, Deen singing a third of the set, etc.

I can't say they are lipping now. I haven't heard anything from Camden to present.

Oh and also, I don't care how close you are to Augeri, you cannot tell by looking. So disregard all people who say "I was front row and centre and he was all live!" or any Back Talk review for that matter. If you see a Back Talker giving a review, simply draw a line right through it; it isn't real.

Also, why hasn't anyone said anything?

Two reasons.

1- It isn't easy to discover, but once you do, it is real easy to link up the songs to Vegas.

2- Most media doesn't care about Journey. And secondly, I truly believe no one had the balls to come forward. Azoff is good at squashing certain journalists...ahem.....

Memorex wrote:

zino wrote:I have read, and listen to all I could get my hands on. My point is how can you be 100% sure you have not been to every show. If we are matching boot legged recordings to a professional recoreded dvdand NOBODY in the US broke the stry last year during the 30th Ann. tour and people are sitiing right there in the front row. I find it very hard to believe that this has been going on since the 2nd week of the tour last year. The story would of made it out there before now.

For those that would lsiten, the story did break. I don't think anyone was certain as to the extent of it. What's more likely - Deano is sitting around doctoring boots to harm a band he has long supported, even in the Augeri years? Or Journey is totally innocent, but still chooses to say nothing about it?

Common sense.

I have stated several times - the tape issue just made me think less of them and stop seeing them. But no biggie. But once it was out there and they did not respond, that's what really gets to me. They have Joe Elliot out there fielding questions about it instead.

Where did the stry break anywhere I can read ?
Do you think Deano has it out for the band for some reason?

I know the no response is tough to deal with and to be honset that is the reason I keep following this

Rockn'deano wrote:
2- Most media doesn't care about Journey. And secondly, I truly believe no one had the balls to come forward. Azoff is good at squashing certain journalists...ahem.....

Do you mean Andrew when you say certain journalists?

zino wrote:Where did the stry break anywhere I can read ?
Do you think Deano has it out for the band for some reason?

I know the no response is tough to deal with and to be honset that is the reason I keep following this

Well, by break I mean it was discussed on message boards a couple times. I don't mean it was in the news. I think the Faithfully evidence and the Svante post are what really excelled this. Once it's out there, it's out there.

Memorex wrote:

zino wrote:Where did the stry break anywhere I can read ?
Do you think Deano has it out for the band for some reason?

I know the no response is tough to deal with and to be honset that is the reason I keep following this

Well, by break I mean it was discussed on message boards a couple times. I don't mean it was in the news. I think the Faithfully evidence and the Svante post are what really excelled this. Once it's out there, it's out there.

People have also heard it mentioned on the radio. I would think that would qualify as having something break in the music world. It may not be CNN, but radio is a bigger part of music than CNN.

ohsherrie wrote:

Memorex wrote:

zino wrote:Where did the stry break anywhere I can read ?
Do you think Deano has it out for the band for some reason?

I know the no response is tough to deal with and to be honset that is the reason I keep following this

Well, by break I mean it was discussed on message boards a couple times. I don't mean it was in the news. I think the Faithfully evidence and the Svante post are what really excelled this. Once it's out there, it's out there.

People have also heard it mentioned on the radio. I would think that would qualify as having something break in the music world. It may not be CNN, but radio is a bigger part of music than CNN.

With all due respect to Angie, who actually listens to radio these days?

If you do a search for "Augeri lip synching" on the net you will find that many posters suspected this some time back.

One search will net you 12 pages on the topic.