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Talked to or know anyone who has talked to the band before or after the last couple of shows? They are usually fairly easily accessible (hotel, walking down the street, etc.). I have heard very little of that this summer. Just curious if Steve has said anything about his voice to anyone, or if the band members have been asked anything.

And if they have, do they know what happens to Steve A now? Will he still get paid now he's too sick to work?

SusieP wrote:And if they have, do they know what happens to Steve A now? Will he still get paid now he's too sick to work?

Yeah, he has AFLAC.

Sorry your joke is lost on me.
What is AFLAC?

NealIsGod wrote:

SusieP wrote:And if they have, do they know what happens to Steve A now? Will he still get paid now he's too sick to work?

Yeah, he has AFLAC.

I get it and it is funny. You would have to have seen the commercials.

NealIsGod wrote:

SusieP wrote:And if they have, do they know what happens to Steve A now? Will he still get paid now he's too sick to work?

Yeah, he has AFLAC.

LMAO !

Anyone care to share (explain) the joke?

NealIsGod wrote:

SusieP wrote:And if they have, do they know what happens to Steve A now? Will he still get paid now he's too sick to work?

Yeah, he has AFLAC.

Oh damn that was funny NIG.
Spanks man!

Hope this helps getting the "picture"...

AFLAC Commercials

What an erudite duck!

Shania wrote:Hope this helps getting the "picture"...

AFLAC Commercials

What an erudite duck!

Thankyou.
Was beginning to feel excluded.

Mind you, NIG referred to me as a lazy b**tard when I first ventured onto this Forum.

Dunno which is worse, being insulted or being excluded.

I get the joke now, Shania - Thanks.

SusieP wrote:

Shania wrote:Hope this helps getting the "picture"...

AFLAC Commercials

What an erudite duck!

Thankyou.
Was beginning to feel excluded.

Mind you, NIG referred to me as a lazy b**tard when I first ventured onto this Forum.

Dunno which is worse, being insulted or being excluded.

I get the joke now, Shania - Thanks.

Ah, but you yourself said you knew I was joking.

Sorry I didn't clue you in on the joke earlier. I had to get lunch.

Yes I did.
Just having a bit of fun with you.
I didn't know what AFLAC was though. I'd have guessed had it not been for the duck. That threw me off the scent. I thought it was another one of your pi**takes at my expense again.


It's all been so heavy on here lately that a bit of humour is very welcome.


Hope you enjoyed your lunch.
It wasn't Duck a la orange was it?

My guess is that Augeri is under contract rather than being an equal partner...this happens a lot with "replacement" members. Bruce Kulick was in Kiss for some 12 years and was never a band member equal to Paul and Gene, he was basically an employee of Kiss. I'm sure Neal & Jon knew that Augeri could have problems or Perry could (technically) come back, at which point it's much simpler to have a new singer as an employee of Journey rather than a band member, financially. (I've heard from a friend of Marty Casey that the new singer for INXS has a similar arrangement, a 1-year contract or something along those lnies)

WalrusOct9 wrote:My guess is that Augeri is under contract rather than being an equal partner...this happens a lot with "replacement" members. Bruce Kulick was in Kiss for some 12 years and was never a band member equal to Paul and Gene, he was basically an employee of Kiss. I'm sure Neal & Jon knew that Augeri could have problems or Perry could (technically) come back, at which point it's much simpler to have a new singer as an employee of Journey rather than a band member, financially. (I've heard from a friend of Marty Casey that the new singer for INXS has a similar arrangement, a 1-year contract or something along those lnies)

I wonder if anyone know the answer to this? It would be interesting to know.

SusieP wrote:Hope you enjoyed your lunch.
It wasn't Duck a la orange was it?

Oh, nothing that fancy. Believe me!

WalrusOct9 wrote:My guess is that Augeri is under contract rather than being an equal partner...this happens a lot with "replacement" members. Bruce Kulick was in Kiss for some 12 years and was never a band member equal to Paul and Gene, he was basically an employee of Kiss. I'm sure Neal & Jon knew that Augeri could have problems or Perry could (technically) come back, at which point it's much simpler to have a new singer as an employee of Journey rather than a band member, financially. (I've heard from a friend of Marty Casey that the new singer for INXS has a similar arrangement, a 1-year contract or something along those lnies)

That's what I thought.
He gets paid a wage and a royalty on any songs he's written/co-written. So he won't be buying any Caribbean Islands then? Am I right?

I guess he feels pretty lousy right now, too. A bit humiliated as well, probably.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I wonder if there was something in his contract that required him to do the last year of tourdates. Or if he pulled out of the band before a certain time he'd lose a bunch of the money guaranteed to him in the contract...that might explain his willingness to do the tape thing...because unless they can bring his voice back to where it was 8 years ago, he doesn't have much of a future in music. I like the songs he wrote for Generations but he's not exactly Paul McCartney and could just live off songwriting royalties.

Exactly.
His royalties income won't be enough for him to never need to work again. Well, I wouldn't have thought so.


His reasons for continuing could be many.

Pressure from bandmates. Pressure from management/promoters.

Pressure from his conscience (not wanting to let fans down), contractual obligation, financial necessity, misguided belief in his vocal condition - any number of things.

It is a shame.
All he wanted to do is sing for a living, and it's come to this.

No one can ever know what Augeri's contract was like, but I'd be surprised if he was ever cut in as an official partner of the Journey corporation....That being said, the guy lived his dream, and I'm sure he made a good bit of money on tour....Not lotto money or anything, but you have to assume he had people looking out for his investments. The sad thing to me is how this all came down for him. I'll never imagine why the band would have signed up for this tour with DL, knowing what kind of condition his voice was in. If they just assumed they could continue with the guide vocals, I still don't think that trapsing him out on stage every night to humiliate himself was the answer, I've pointed out before how they could have continued using a guide vocal track and still addressed the fans' concerns. Maybe JSS was in the wings since the European tour, but it took some time to get all the i's dotted and Augeri had to tough it out for a few weeks...I'm betting Steve wanted out, badly. I couldn't imagine what the past year must have been like for him. As a singer, I'll panic when I wake up with cotton mouth. I couldn't imagine living and performing under those circumstances. Literally - Those are the kinds of things I have nightmares about.

I think you're probably right that he was just an employee and not a band member in the sense of the word. I also think it's possible that JSS joining them has been planned a lot longer than we'll ever be told... because Soul Sirkus ended very suddenly, and there were rumours about it being spoken about a while ago about it before Tapegate even started on here.

More may come out someday though.

I panic if I get thirsty!

I think I'm gonna get laryngitis or something!

I think he's tried his best, and it's a shame his dream has ended this way.
Even if he comes back, that cloud will always hang over him.

But, if it is the end of his career - the bright side is, at least he lived the dream.

Some of us who sing, have never attained that success. At least he tasted it for a good few years. I plod along making my living as a singer, and am thrilled to be able to do so, but I would be absolutely gutted if my voice let me down.

But I haven't written him off yet.
I'm not a throat specialist, so I have no idea what condition his vocal folds&cords are in.
Let's hope it's good news.


And let's hope Neal is paying the medical bills!

Jeremey wrote:No one can ever know what Augeri's contract was like, but I'd be surprised if he was ever cut in as an official partner of the Journey corporation....That being said, the guy lived his dream, and I'm sure he made a good bit of money on tour....Not lotto money or anything, but you have to assume he had people looking out for his investments. The sad thing to me is how this all came down for him. I'll never imagine why the band would have signed up for this tour with DL, knowing what kind of condition his voice was in. If they just assumed they could continue with the guide vocals, I still don't think that trapsing him out on stage every night to humiliate himself was the answer, I've pointed out before how they could have continued using a guide vocal track and still addressed the fans' concerns. Maybe JSS was in the wings since the European tour, but it took some time to get all the i's dotted and Augeri had to tough it out for a few weeks...I'm betting Steve wanted out, badly. I couldn't imagine what the past year must have been like for him. As a singer, I'll panic when I wake up with cotton mouth. I couldn't imagine living and performing under those circumstances. Literally - Those are the kinds of things I have nightmares about.

I agree on that,I don't believe Augeri was a part of the big Journey bussiness.He must've had a contract which was probably renewed every year or so.
No worries,he is financially safe enough to relax and get off the road for a while.
The sad part of the whole story is that I have the feeling he didn't enjoyed too much being in the band lately.
The psychological torment of knowing that his voice is fading away must've been terrible.Not to mention the physical things that he must have experienced like sore throat, dry mouth and all…Just like you said,Jeremey...Those are the singer's nightmares.

The other kind of weird thing to remember is that Augeri was pretty much the reason that Generations came about at all. He was writing stuff for a solo record, the others heard the stuff and realized that Journey needed to do an album. So there's that aspect of it. Maybe after Arrival, they were ready to hang it up and saw what Steve was up to. Who knows? Neal was off doing SS which pretty much flopped. Might be a decent recording (I'm not into it) but it went nowhere and that tour was cancelled because nobody knew or cared. At that point, he may have said "Okay, back to Journey". I've heard that his involvment in Generations was pretty minimal compared to past releases. That was from Andrews interview's with them around Generations release time. So they at least have Augeri to thank (or beat, depending on the side your on) for Generations.

Personally, I wish that Tall Stories would get back together and that he'd do that for a while then come back to Journey after they take a break. I personally am of the mind that he won't be back in Journey. Not because he isn't any good (he is) but I think there's just so much drama around him and Journey. The whole Perry thing, the Tape thing, etc. I'd HATE to have that gig. You'd constantly be held up as a shadow of what was. I can't imagine having to prove yourslef every single gig. You could do no right in some people's eyes.

I doubt that Steve's voice is permanently messed up. He was able to sing at the recent shows, but not the high notes. This could be lung problems or lyrnx problems or just exaustion, but I doubt that it's permanent.
Sorry, what was my point?