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Not sure of your angle here either, based on your initial posts.
I'm certainly not a fan of some of Deano's methods, but this kind post seems to be stirring things along when the rest of us are prepared to move on.

What I will do is allow Deano his right of reply and then close this thread.

neil..why don't you question Andrew's motives etc? I just read the latest from him on his site..once again sucking up to Journey and pushing only the positive. No comments on those who are asking for their money back...don't like the change..don't like how they're continuing on and just dumping SA like that(regardless of whether SA agreed to it or whatever)...and I don't know..maybe didn't like the first show there?

Again..as I said before..Andrew has a great site. He just seems to suck up to Journey way too much. I haven't visited the Styx board to see if he gets this involved with their "debates"...choosing sides..or praising the new line-up..telling everyone to move on..etc. Guess I will have to this weekend.

I guess I'm also comparing this to how he talks about and responds to Def Leppard(who are touring with Journey)..their new CD..their response to him..etc. If this tape issue had been about them..I doubt Deano would have been the one having to point it all out and spread the word..and asking about their "excuse" about a throat infection

You have to be kidding me?

Andrew close it. I can't put my true feelings into words for this poster.

Unbelievable.

neil..you'll notice in my other post Deano has me confused as well.

neilmaclookalike wrote:Deano... how old are you dude??

40

Ive read all yr stuff with interest... Ive admired the way you have systematically gone about yr task in destroying Augeri..

Well, if you look at it this way, ok. I didn't destroy Augeri, I exposed him for what he is. A fraud. The guy hasn't sung live in 1 year. That's correct, 1 full year of miming...Oh sorry, he DID sing LTS at every show. Nice Job, Steve.

although I sympathise with him greatly

I don't. Not at all. To walk onto the stage nightly, knowing you are about to deceive people....The guy has ZERO class. He could have, and should have walked away when he could no longer sing. He is getting what he deserves.

... when he was good he was very good..

He was never "very good." He was ok, and I was fine with that. But Augeri was never "very good." hell, the Vegas show that was released live wasn't even live. Why you think there will never be a Warfield release, or Dallas dvd? Because it was taped, and now that people know it was taped, they can't release it.

but what I dont get is yr abusive nature.. you seem kinda twisted man....everything is f**k you, etc etc etc ..its tiresome man.. real tiresome

Sorry you aren't a fan. You sound um, a little gay to me.

Think you need anger management mate!!!

And you sound like you have a choad in your hole.

I reckon you cant possibly be any older than 22.. surely anyone any older would be able to express himself better.

Oh I can, I honestly can. However, you try dealing with retards and blind, deaf and dumb defenders of all that is holy. It is impossible to not get worked up.

..yet you have a long history with Journey..so this puts you at mid forties or more??

So which is it, 22 or mid 40's?

Jeez man... take a "chill pill" will you... theres room for everyone out there..even Def Leppard ..come on

No. Def leppard is garbage. Now that Journey has a singer, who can uh, sing, they should flip the bands order on stage. DL has no chance.

... Schon and management must have weighed up the pros and cons of a tour with Lep.. and thought it was in their interests

You truly are stupid. First off, Schon only cares about Benjamins, and is hardly a wise decision maker. And Mgt? Are you kidding? name ONE thing Journey Mgt has done good in 8 years. Just one. You can't.

You seem very keen for Journey to do well under JSS... and doubly keen for Steve A to dissapear forever

Yes. JSS will lead Journey because he has that personality. journey was rudderless...they had no take charge guy. JSS has Perry's attitude. They will make noise, no doubt.

Steve Augeri will NEVER come back. I cannot believe BTers and some here think he is returning, because he isn't. Ever. That is not opinion, that is just the cold hard facts.

Who exactly are you?? Were you paid to do what you did? Why did you feel that it was up to you to "blow the gaffe"?

I am a fan, and most importantly, an honest one. Yeah, Neal paid me a million bones to expose his singer..
I blew up the Augeri Faking, because no one else would. I was called every name in the book, threatened with jail, and look here...I was right.

Have you an inside interest in ensuring Augeri was deposed?

No. I just was pissed about bragging about how good they were, then finding out they weren't that good at all, in fact he sucked so bad, he wasn't singing a fucking note, period...I am glad he is gone.

Are you related in any way to any member of the Journey management team..or tech guys?

No, and no.

Bearing in mind the fanatisism of some people ..and the "gun happy" temperament in the good ole US of A.. do you fear being stalked and shot by some fruit cake who bears a grudge against you? stranger things have happened??

Yes I do. Every day, I think about it. I hope I don't get shot...Actually, I fear getting smothered by Frank Martinez before taking a bullet from one of Azoff's mob..Frank goes 400 bills...that's a lot of weight.

You seem to have access to a massive range of boots n stuff.. even the last JSS gig.. so soon after it.. so you must be close to someone in the Journey camp?? come clean man.... who paid you and how much??

Come clean? Naw, I have nothing to hide. Journey still hasn't come clean. They are the ones who need to to do so.

Your comments on DL(like Andrew) and things like this "I don't. Not at all. To walk onto the stage nightly, knowing you are about to deceive people....The guy has ZERO class. He could have, and should have walked away when he could no longer sing. He is getting what he deserves" are...odd.

You would have to say the same thing about every member of Journey and their management. Anyone who knew about this.

Magwheels wrote:Your comments on DL(like Andrew) and things like this "I don't. Not at all. To walk onto the stage nightly, knowing you are about to deceive people....The guy has ZERO class. He could have, and should have walked away when he could no longer sing. He is getting what he deserves" are...odd.

You would have to say the same thing about every member of Journey and their management. Anyone who knew about this.

You are correct, 100%. Seriously, they are all guilty. But HE (SA), could have stopped it. And he didn't.

I am not sure MGT knew about this up until a week or so before the fired him. I really think they may have been in the dark the whole time.

Rockn'deano wrote:

neilmaclookalike wrote:Deano... how old are you dude??

40

Ive read all yr stuff with interest... Ive admired the way you have systematically gone about yr task in destroying Augeri..

Well, if you look at it this way, ok. I didn't destroy Augeri, I exposed him for what he is. A fraud. The guy hasn't sung live in 1 year. That's correct, 1 full year of miming...Oh sorry, he DID sing LTS at every show. Nice Job, Steve.

although I sympathise with him greatly

I don't. Not at all. To walk onto the stage nightly, knowing you are about to deceive people....The guy has ZERO class. He could have, and should have walked away when he could no longer sing. He is getting what he deserves.

... when he was good he was very good..

He was never "very good." He was ok, and I was fine with that. But Augeri was never "very good." hell, the Vegas show that was released live wasn't even live. Why you think there will never be a Warfield release, or Dallas dvd? Because it was taped, and now that people know it was taped, they can't release it.

but what I dont get is yr abusive nature.. you seem kinda twisted man....everything is f**k you, etc etc etc ..its tiresome man.. real tiresome

Sorry you aren't a fan. You sound um, a little gay to me.

Think you need anger management mate!!!

And you sound like you have a choad in your hole.

I reckon you cant possibly be any older than 22.. surely anyone any older would be able to express himself better.

Oh I can, I honestly can. However, you try dealing with retards and blind, deaf and dumb defenders of all that is holy. It is impossible to not get worked up.

..yet you have a long history with Journey..so this puts you at mid forties or more??

So which is it, 22 or mid 40's?

Jeez man... take a "chill pill" will you... theres room for everyone out there..even Def Leppard ..come on

No. Def leppard is garbage. Now that Journey has a singer, who can uh, sing, they should flip the bands order on stage. DL has no chance.

... Schon and management must have weighed up the pros and cons of a tour with Lep.. and thought it was in their interests

You truly are stupid. First off, Schon only cares about Benjamins, and is hardly a wise decision maker. And Mgt? Are you kidding? name ONE thing Journey Mgt has done good in 8 years. Just one. You can't.

You seem very keen for Journey to do well under JSS... and doubly keen for Steve A to dissapear forever

Yes. JSS will lead Journey because he has that personality. journey was rudderless...they had no take charge guy. JSS has Perry's attitude. They will make noise, no doubt.

Steve Augeri will NEVER come back. I cannot believe BTers and some here think he is returning, because he isn't. Ever. That is not opinion, that is just the cold hard facts.

Who exactly are you?? Were you paid to do what you did? Why did you feel that it was up to you to "blow the gaffe"?

I am a fan, and most importantly, an honest one. Yeah, Neal paid me a million bones to expose his singer..
I blew up the Augeri Faking, because no one else would. I was called every name in the book, threatened with jail, and look here...I was right.

Have you an inside interest in ensuring Augeri was deposed?

No. I just was pissed about bragging about how good they were, then finding out they weren't that good at all, in fact he sucked so bad, he wasn't singing a fucking note, period...I am glad he is gone.

Are you related in any way to any member of the Journey management team..or tech guys?

No, and no.

Bearing in mind the fanatisism of some people ..and the "gun happy" temperament in the good ole US of A.. do you fear being stalked and shot by some fruit cake who bears a grudge against you? stranger things have happened??

Yes I do. Every day, I think about it. I hope I don't get shot...Actually, I fear getting smothered by Frank Martinez before taking a bullet from one of Azoff's mob..Frank goes 400 bills...that's a lot of weight.

You seem to have access to a massive range of boots n stuff.. even the last JSS gig.. so soon after it.. so you must be close to someone in the Journey camp?? come clean man.... who paid you and how much??

Come clean? Naw, I have nothing to hide. Journey still hasn't come clean. They are the ones who need to to do so.

Somehow, I can see Deano being a "Substitute Host" for that show "Mind of Mencia" - I "hear" Mencia's voice as I read Deano's posts LOL....

Dude is blunt, brutal, and TOTALLY HONEST....AND funny!!

Have any of you watched it? Comedy Central.

Sorry, didn't mean to "hijack"....

tragchk wrote:Somehow, I can see Deano being a "Substitute Host" for that show "Mind of Mencia" - I "hear" Mencia's voice as I read Deano's posts LOL....

Dude is blunt, brutal, and TOTALLY HONEST....AND funny!!

Have any of you watched it? Comedy Central.

Sorry, didn't mean to "hijack"....

Hi Stockard. Mencia is a funny Beaner. Best show on TV. He hates everyone equally.

Did you catch his show the other night? Wetback Mountain? OMFG...

Thanks for the compliment.

Maybe it was SA who DID end it in the end.

I was never a fan of Journey w/out Steve Perry....I just think Neal and the gang
are just as guilty if not more. We still don't know how it all went down. Maybe SA
did want to stop eariler..and the other guys begged him to stay- had a plan to use
tapes etc.

OK Deano

You have answered my questions honestly... cant ask further than that... I have said in other posts that im not championing any of the 3 singers above the other..and thats true

You may have almost changed my opinion about you after reading your responses.... civil too.... except for the "gay" bit...haha

anyway... more importantly... get the goddam boot of JSS up... please!!

regards ..lay it to rest..close the thread

Neil....

Magwheels wrote:Maybe it was SA who DID end it in the end.

I was never a fan of Journey w/out Steve Perry....I just think Neal and the gang
are just as guilty if not more. We still don't know how it all went down. Maybe SA
did want to stop eariler..and the other guys begged him to stay- had a plan to use
tapes etc.

Trust me, it wasn't SA who ended it. Mgt flew in, watched and fired him. Pretty simple.

I have no doubt the accusation, blog and chatter made them go live, and that was the end..hejust can't sing anylonger.

It will be interesting to hear from SA himself.

Or will it be like they used to say about Steve Perry...that he had the other band members and
HH sign things that would prevent them from talking. Will those same people who said that
say the same about Journey not allowing SA to say certain things?

Hmmmm...

Only a blind moron would fail to see that Deano has/had an agenda in this whole thing!

He makes me sick!

Even if Augeri was lip-syncing it wasn't nearly the "crime" that Deano made it out to be.

The way this whole thing with Deano and his followers was handled is sick.

If Deano was completely genuine in having the best interest of the fans (and the band in the long term) he would have handled things much differently!

And Deano, if you really fear that some nut fan will come after you, then why in the hell would you talk about your children on here and even name them??? Your children should NOT have to pay for what you have done, and you could have put them at risk! Use your f-ing head in the future jackass!!!

I too think SA is equally as guilty as EVERYONE ELSE IN THE BAND. However, you guys (this was said earlier and I'm stealing it) act like he bombed a church or something. Miming in concert should not deserve this much hatred as there are plenty of worse things in the world to hate...

Dude, you need to let it go and move on. I think most here are just sick of listening to this stuff.

Journey/Survivor wrote:Only a blind moron would fail to see that Deano has/had an agenda in this whole thing!

He makes me sick!

Even if Augeri was lip-syncing it wasn't nearly the "crime" that Deano made it out to be.

The way this whole thing with Deano and his followers was handled is sick.

If Deano was completely genuine in having the best interest of the fans (and the band in the long term) he would have handled things much differently!

And Deano, if you really fear that some nut fan will come after you, then why in the hell would you talk about your children on here and even name them??? Your children should NOT have to pay for what you have done, and you could have put them at risk! Use your f-ing head in the future jackass!!!

Journey/Survivor wrote:Only a blind moron would fail to see that Deano has/had an agenda in this whole thing!

He makes me sick!

Even if Augeri was lip-syncing it wasn't nearly the "crime" that Deano made it out to be.

The way this whole thing with Deano and his followers was handled is sick.

If Deano was completely genuine in having the best interest of the fans (and the band in the long term) he would have handled things much differently!

And Deano, if you really fear that some nut fan will come after you, then why in the hell would you talk about your children on here and even name them??? Your children should NOT have to pay for what you have done, and you could have put them at risk! Use your f-ing head in the future jackass!!!

YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!

Rockn'deano wrote:[

He was never "very good." He was ok, and I was fine with that.

Changed your mind yet again I see-ERIC

I think all Dean or anybody who believed the tape situation wanted was for them to DO something about it instead of continuing on the same path of deception and/or lousy vocal performances. They sure as hell weren't going to change anything on their own. I still think the rest of the band are just as guilty as Augeri, but at least if they're staying on the road to finish this tour, they have a REAL singer now. Its hard to be a Journey fan and watch them self destruct their own legacy by means of total stupidity. JSS saved the tour and ALL their asses.

Magwheels wrote:It will be interesting to hear from SA himself.

Or will it be like they used to say about Steve Perry...that he had the other band members and
HH sign things that would prevent them from talking. Will those same people who said that
say the same about Journey not allowing SA to say certain things?

Hmmmm...

You'll never hear from SA on this.

He isn't allowed to comment. I am sure of this.

EightyRock wrote:I think all Dean or anybody who believed the tape situation wanted was for them to DO something about it instead of continuing on the same path of deception and/or lousy vocal performances. They sure as hell weren't going to change anything on their own. I still think the rest of the band are just as guilty as Augeri, but at least if they're staying on the road to finish this tour, they have a REAL singer now. Its hard to be a Journey fan and watch them self destruct their own legacy by means of total stupidity. JSS saved the tour and ALL their asses.

How can you say JSS saved them, It is one show so far. I am not saying JSS can not get back on the right track, but being saved? It is too earlier to tell. JSS has some balls about him to step in and do this though.-ERIC

Abitaman wrote:

EightyRock wrote:I think all Dean or anybody who believed the tape situation wanted was for them to DO something about it instead of continuing on the same path of deception and/or lousy vocal performances. They sure as hell weren't going to change anything on their own. I still think the rest of the band are just as guilty as Augeri, but at least if they're staying on the road to finish this tour, they have a REAL singer now. Its hard to be a Journey fan and watch them self destruct their own legacy by means of total stupidity. JSS saved the tour and ALL their asses.

How can you say JSS saved them, It is one show so far. I am not saying JSS can not get back on the right track, but being saved? It is too earlier to tell. JSS has some balls about him to step in and do this though.-ERIC

So now you're admitting they were on the wrong track? make up your mind. Can't be that hard...not a whole lot there in your head.

Rockn'deano wrote:You'll never hear from SA on this.

He isn't allowed to comment. I am sure of this.

This is one point I agree with Dean on.

Yep, I think is quite telling that he hasn't come into BT to speak to his fans or thank them for the prayers and well wishes. He doesn't have to use his voice to type, and it's been three days.

A Fire Inside wrote:

Rockn'deano wrote:You'll never hear from SA on this.

He isn't allowed to comment. I am sure of this.

This is one point I agree with Dean on.

nolippin wrote:Yep, I think is quite telling that he hasn't come into BT to speak to his fans or thank them for the prayers and well wishes. He doesn't have to use his voice to type, and it's been three days.

A Fire Inside wrote:

Rockn'deano wrote:You'll never hear from SA on this.

He isn't allowed to comment. I am sure of this.

This is one point I agree with Dean on.

Hello? None of us know what/where/when the medical treatment is. He could be in Switzerland at a clinic for all we know. You polaroid people need to step back and develop your own lives instead of living vicariously through some intent forum.

ace wrote:
Hello? None of us know what/where/when the medical treatment is. He could be in Switzerland at a clinic for all we know. You polaroid people need to step back and develop your own lives instead of living vicariously through some intent forum.

practice what you preach.

And forget about medical treatment, anyone who believes that he's being taken care of by doctors so he can return, is wishing upon a star that literally burned out already.

LOL!!! I believe that they have access to the "intent forums" in Switzerland, too.

If we need to develope lives, what does it say about yours that you spend so much time here watching ours?? LOL!!!!

whocares wrote:

ace wrote:
Hello? None of us know what/where/when the medical treatment is. He could be in Switzerland at a clinic for all we know. You polaroid people need to step back and develop your own lives instead of living vicariously through some intent forum.

practice what you preach.

And forget about medical treatment, anyone who believes that he's being taken care of by doctors so he can return, is wishing upon a star that literally burned out already.

I would bet Augeri is under a signed gag order. You will never hear him speak of his departure other than the official party line.

I will bet that you are right!!

StyxCollector wrote:I would bet Augeri is under a signed gag order. You will never hear him speak of his departure other than the official party line.