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My husband and I were just discussing this. If the risk is that in 8 or less years, you will probably ruin your voice blasting out those songs, and that has now happened to not one, but 2 lead singers, is it worth it to accept the job? Do you make enough to justify it? Are you making a straight salary, a cut of the ticket sales, or what? Are we talking $100k a year, $200k a year or a lot more? Anyone have any thoughts?

Are we talking $100k a year, $200k a year or a lot more? Anyone have any thoughts?

A lot less than you would think, lets just put it that way.

arrivalrules wrote:

Are we talking $100k a year, $200k a year or a lot more? Anyone have any thoughts?

A lot less than you would think, lets just put it that way.

So you think less than $100k? I don't know. Steve A had to have been making a good $60-$70k as a maintenance mgr. for the Gap in NYC 8 years ago. I doubt he took the Journey job to make less $.

My guess: $43,281.59

siobhan222 wrote:

arrivalrules wrote:

Are we talking $100k a year, $200k a year or a lot more? Anyone have any thoughts?

A lot less than you would think, lets just put it that way.

So you think less than $100k? I don't know. Steve A had to have been making a good $60-$70k as a maintenance mgr. for the Gap in NYC 8 years ago. I doubt he took the Journey job to make less $.

But which job is more fun?!

cleaning toilets doesn't ruin your voice as fast

siobhan222 wrote:So you think less than $100k? I don't know. Steve A had to have been making a good $60-$70k as a maintenance mgr. for the Gap in NYC 8 years ago. I doubt he took the Journey job to make less $.

If it was his DREAM JOB, I think he would. But it had to have been close if it was less than his other job.

whocares wrote:cleaning toilets doesn't ruin your voice as fast

ouch

well, does it? I mean unless you're drinking the Drano.

I'm assuming (and you know that deal), that cleaning toilets is part of the job.

I'm not going to put a dollar sign on it. I just remember seeing Eric Carr and Bruce Kulick's salaries playing for Kiss some years ago and it was surprisingly low.

He was a maintenance manager — meaning he told other guys to clean toilets! And to make it snappy!

UNLESSSSSS.... he had to teach people how to do it. Gotta play devils advocate, you know that.

A Fire Inside wrote:

siobhan222 wrote:So you think less than $100k? I don't know. Steve A had to have been making a good $60-$70k as a maintenance mgr. for the Gap in NYC 8 years ago. I doubt he took the Journey job to make less $.

If it was his DREAM JOB, I think he would. But it had to have been close if it was less than his other job.

But remember, he didn't even want to try out because he was so secure in his day job and had such good benefits. Singing with his own band was his dream job. He'd already given up on that. And he had a family to take care of.

And I'm not just asking about him. What about a guy like JSS who already had a pretty well established career as a musician. I would bet he's had some offers with other bands ... or he could tour with his own band again and make some bucks.

What does it take to get these guys to do Journey?

whocares wrote:UNLESSSSSS.... he had to teach people how to do it. Gotta play devils advocate, you know that.

HAHAHA! {Grabs plunger} "No, man! Put your elbows into it!!!"

siobhan222 wrote:...

What does it take to get these guys to do Journey?

not enough is my guess, for what it does to your voice, no money can make your voice better on it's own.

whocares wrote:

siobhan222 wrote:...

What does it take to get these guys to do Journey?

not enough is my guess, for what it does to your voice, no money can make your voice better on it's own.

come on you kidding me 65 - 75 for a maintenance manager i doubt it !!and look at all the other singers who have been around for decades there still singing maybe not to the standards of there youth (who can?)but there still out touring and knocking the crowds out!!

Poor Eric Carr
taken from this world too young
Sorry to hear Kiss took avantage of him
But for a boy from Queens
Real name Pauly
I guess a gig like kiss was a drummers dream

siobhan222 wrote:My husband and I were just discussing this. If the risk is that in 8 or less years, you will probably ruin your voice blasting out those songs, and that has now happened to not one, but 2 lead singers, is it worth it to accept the job? Do you make enough to justify it? Are you making a straight salary, a cut of the ticket sales, or what? Are we talking $100k a year, $200k a year or a lot more? Anyone have any thoughts?

Here's a guess!

$8,900 per show. Now multiply that times the amount that they perform on tour! Say Journey grosses $100,000 per show. Maybe 10% of that might go to Augeri and Castronovo. Maybe less - Then deduct management and expenses....Or maybe they make $16,000 a night! Or perhaps they have a bonus at the end of the year?!? Who knows. Those numbers aren't unrealistic, but there's no way to figure what kind of money they could be making. But it should give you an understanding of why Augeri may have been so willing to run those multitracks along with his vocal.

[quote="Jeremey"
Here's a guess!
$8,900 per show. Now multiply that times the amount that they perform on tour! Say Journey grosses $100,000 per show. Maybe 10% of that might go to Augeri and Castronovo. Maybe less - Then deduct management and expenses....Or maybe they make $16,000 a night! Or perhaps they have a bonus at the end of the year?!? Who knows. Those numbers aren't unrealistic, but there's no way to figure what kind of money they could be making. But it should give you an understanding of why Augeri may have been so willing to run those multitracks along with his vocal.[/quote]

I bet they gave him a "lovely parting gift", too. Pay for the balance of the tour and maybe a severence check? Pretty good deal for doing not much of anything except posing for ---- long. (you fill in the blank)
Poor Soto has to actually sing for his thousands per show.

EightyRock wrote:[quote="Jeremey"
Here's a guess!
$8,900 per show. Now multiply that times the amount that they perform on tour! Say Journey grosses $100,000 per show. Maybe 10% of that might go to Augeri and Castronovo. Maybe less - Then deduct management and expenses....Or maybe they make $16,000 a night! Or perhaps they have a bonus at the end of the year?!? Who knows. Those numbers aren't unrealistic, but there's no way to figure what kind of money they could be making. But it should give you an understanding of why Augeri may have been so willing to run those multitracks along with his vocal.

I bet they gave him a "lovely parting gift", too. Pay for the balance of the tour and maybe a severence check? Pretty good deal for doing not much of anything except posing for ---- long. (you fill in the blank)
Poor Soto has to actually sing for his thousands per show.[/quote] poor and soto hmmm i doubt that !!!He's not doing it for free

Jeremey wrote:$8,900 per show. Now multiply that times the amount that they perform on tour! Say Journey grosses $100,000 per show. Maybe 10% of that might go to Augeri and Castronovo. Maybe less - Then deduct management and expenses....Or maybe they make $16,000 a night! Or perhaps they have a bonus at the end of the year?!? Who knows. Those numbers aren't unrealistic, but there's no way to figure what kind of money they could be making. But it should give you an understanding of why Augeri may have been so willing to run those multitracks along with his vocal.

That's *if* they ran multitracks along with his vocal. I've seen nothing that proves it to me. Sorry.

But what you're saying is these guys just don't make a lot of money. Do they get Workers' Compensation if their voice goes out?

EightyRock wrote: I bet they gave him a "lovely parting gift", too. Pay for the balance of the tour and maybe a severence check? Pretty good deal for doing not much of anything except posing for ---- long. (you fill in the blank)
Poor Soto has to actually sing for his thousands per show.

Why does this have to come up in every single threat where Steve Augeri's name is mentioned? Talk about beating a dead horse. Posing yeah .. on the road every night singing your lungs out sure is posing. Even that Swedish guy who claimed a different track was going through the PA said Augeri was singing his lungs out on the sound he heard in the truck. That's hardly posing. I've seen no proof that there were any multitracks. An article by that Swedish guy? What does that prove? How can anyone verify who he is or that what he says is true? Anyone can post anything online. Oh ... a boot of Faithfully where a track supposedly stopped ... or was it that Steve stopped singing because he couldn't hit the note? I listened to it at least 20 times, had friends listen to it and to all of us, it sounded like he stopped because he couldn't reach the note. A track of Be Good To Yourself that supposedly sounds exactly like the Vegas DVD but when I played them both at the same time and listened really carefully about 30 times, I could hear so many differences that there is NO way they are the same. Sorry. Until I see some proof, this is just a rumour to me.

And here's one for you. *If* your theories were true, why is Steve such a bad guy, but no one has anything to say about the rest of the band? If it was done, everyone was in on it. So, how come you people ONLY pick on Steve? Isn't Neal the boss? Obviously, he can hire and fire lead singers at will. If you believe the theories so strongly, why not call Neal a fraud? Or Jon Cain? Or Ross Valory? Or Deen Castronovo? Why is it *only* Steve you all choose to pick on? Pretty transparent to me that is is just being done to discredit Steve.

It comes up because a lot of people believe it and people here are allowed to speak their mind regardless of what "you people" think about that.

siobhan222 wrote:

EightyRock wrote: I bet they gave him a "lovely parting gift", too. Pay for the balance of the tour and maybe a severence check? Pretty good deal for doing not much of anything except posing for ---- long. (you fill in the blank)
Poor Soto has to actually sing for his thousands per show.

Why does this have to come up in every single threat where Steve Augeri's name is mentioned? Talk about beating a dead horse. Posing yeah .. on the road every night singing your lungs out sure is posing. Even that Swedish guy who claimed a different track was going through the PA said Augeri was singing his lungs out on the sound he heard in the truck. That's hardly posing. I've seen no proof that there were any multitracks. An article by that Swedish guy? What does that prove? How can anyone verify who he is or that what he says is true? Anyone can post anything online. Oh ... a boot of Faithfully where a track supposedly stopped ... or was it that Steve stopped singing because he couldn't hit the note? I listened to it at least 20 times, had friends listen to it and to all of us, it sounded like he stopped because he couldn't reach the note. A track of Be Good To Yourself that supposedly sounds exactly like the Vegas DVD but when I played them both at the same time and listened really carefully about 30 times, I could hear so many differences that there is NO way they are the same. Sorry. Until I see some proof, this is just a rumour to me.

And here's one for you. *If* your theories were true, why is Steve such a bad guy, but no one has anything to say about the rest of the band? If it was done, everyone was in on it. So, how come you people ONLY pick on Steve? Isn't Neal the boss? Obviously, he can hire and fire lead singers at will. If you believe the theories so strongly, why not call Neal a fraud? Or Jon Cain? Or Ross Valory? Or Deen Castronovo? Why is it *only* Steve you all choose to pick on? Pretty transparent to me that is is just being done to discredit Steve.

oh i don't like talking about his salary...but i don't think you're close.

There's no question he was given a "severence package". That just how those things work. That's also why you will never hear a peep out of him no matter how many charities they donate to in his name.

[quote="EightyRock

I bet they gave him a "lovely parting gift", too. Pay for the balance of the tour and maybe a severence check? Pretty good deal for doing not much of anything except posing for ---- long. (you fill in the blank)
Poor Soto has to actually sing for his thousands per show.[/quote]

siobhan222 wrote:

EightyRock wrote: I bet they gave him a "lovely parting gift", too. Pay for the balance of the tour and maybe a severence check? Pretty good deal for doing not much of anything except posing for ---- long. (you fill in the blank)
Poor Soto has to actually sing for his thousands per show.

Why does this have to come up in every single threat where Steve Augeri's name is mentioned? Talk about beating a dead horse. Posing yeah .. on the road every night singing your lungs out sure is posing. Even that Swedish guy who claimed a different track was going through the PA said Augeri was singing his lungs out on the sound he heard in the truck. That's hardly posing. I've seen no proof that there were any multitracks. An article by that Swedish guy? What does that prove? How can anyone verify who he is or that what he says is true? Anyone can post anything online. Oh ... a boot of Faithfully where a track supposedly stopped ... or was it that Steve stopped singing because he couldn't hit the note? I listened to it at least 20 times, had friends listen to it and to all of us, it sounded like he stopped because he couldn't reach the note. A track of Be Good To Yourself that supposedly sounds exactly like the Vegas DVD but when I played them both at the same time and listened really carefully about 30 times, I could hear so many differences that there is NO way they are the same. Sorry. Until I see some proof, this is just a rumour to me.

And here's one for you. *If* your theories were true, why is Steve such a bad guy, but no one has anything to say about the rest of the band? If it was done, everyone was in on it. So, how come you people ONLY pick on Steve? Isn't Neal the boss? Obviously, he can hire and fire lead singers at will. If you believe the theories so strongly, why not call Neal a fraud? Or Jon Cain? Or Ross Valory? Or Deen Castronovo? Why is it *only* Steve you all choose to pick on? Pretty transparent to me that is is just being done to discredit Steve.

You know, I have to chime in on this one, as you took the words right out of my mouth. By all accounts, and whether tracks were being used to augment his performance or not, Steve was singing. That point seems to be lost on most people since this whole thing broke. He wasn't just miming along-he was trying his damndest to do his job. You have to wonder if he even knew that tape was running over the PA. It is very possible that he didn't. I guess I'm just tired of seeing how badly he's gotten thrown under the bus over this. I know the many of us are very excited about JSS getting his shot at this (myself included), but to completely discredit Augeri and the fact that if he wasn't around since 1998, there would've been NO Journey up to this point is mind-boggling to me. Whether you believe the allegations or not, and whether you were a fan of Augeri or not, many people here are just ready to bury the guy. Bottom line is-we don't know the whole story. We don't know why tapes were used or who was responsible. We don't know whose decision it was to move ahead with the DL tour when they were supposed to take the year off, and if Augeri had any say in it. I'm not saying the allegations are true or untrue, but it is certain that there is a lot that we don't know yet about what happened and why, and the rest is just conjecture on our part.

If that makes me sound like an Augeri supporter, that's because I am. The guy has been an absolute prince to the fans and walked into an almost impossible situation in 1998 and made it work. Whether his voice is shot completely at this point doesn't discount that there have been many fine shows over the years and the guy could sing his heart out, especially at the beginning of his tenure. Am I a fan of Perry? You bet. Am I am fan of JSS? A huge one. But at the same time, I refuse to throw dirt on a member of this band who was an integral part for 8 years. He's a human being with feelings and a family to support, and I can't imagine what he must be going through at this point. Yeah, I know I'm probably going to get a bunch of responses to this consisting of "Who cares about Fraudgeri?", so you might as well save yourself the bother of typing.[/i]

Or maybe they make $16,000 a night

Dream on. 10 dates = $160,000?

Ace Frehley and Peter Criss were on like $2,000,000 dollar retainers for the Kiss reunion tour which was MASSIVE! And they played constantly for 2 years.

So If Augeri or anyone was making $16,000 a night he'd pull in almost a half a million for 30 dates.

Sorry, try again.

TheOptiMystic wrote:but to completely discredit Augeri and the fact that if he wasn't around since 1998, there would've been NO Journey up to this point is mind-boggling to me.

Your dogmatism is what is mind boggling to me.
You can't say that with any degree of certainty. For all we know, if Neal and Jon hadn't auditioned Augeri they would have went ahead and called up their old bud, Kev C. or someone else.

My only thing is, the part about S.A. not knowing what sounds went out Front of house. If he wasn't able to sing well if at all, and he knew it then he had to know that not everyone in the audience would go crazy over a voice that wasn't so good. I know you don't always hear everything going out in front of you, when you are on stage, but you can hear quite a bit. I can't believe that he didn't know what was going on, in a lot of people's minds though.