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Hell it's wishful thinking.

Give JSS a chance. Perry fans were mostly told, some asked, to give Augeri a chance so why can't people give Jeff a chance? I know he doesn't sound great on a few songs, but at least he's not trying to sound & look like Perry.

whocares wrote:Hell it's wishful thinking.

Give JSS a chance. Perry fans were mostly told, some asked, to give Augeri a chance so why can't people give Jeff a chance? I know he doesn't sound great on a few songs, but at least he's not trying to sound & look like Perry.

were did u come from?? ,, speaking bibles full of wisdom ,, preach it !! cant we all just get along???

No, that's just it. He ISN'T trying to sound and look (???) like Perry. That's why all these people are going crazy, because they want him to sound like Perry. People say Soto does NOT sound like "Journey". What does "Journey" sound like? Hmmm...Journey sounds like a strong, melodic voice that towers over the band, just like Schon's guitar. In a way there were two voices in Journey, Perry's and Neal's. Nobody wants to admit what they want to hear from a singer in Journey. They say, "we want him to be able to COVER the material". We want him to be able to "hit all the notes". Nobody has been able to do that yet. Even when Augeri first started with the band 8 years ago, you still couldn't hear him well in a live setting. His voice really wasn't all that melodic and he certainly didn't hit many of the high notes. It looks to me that if people were honest, they want Perry's clone from 1981. Everybody is asking way too much of the band and expecting them to find someone that doesn't exist. Augeri definitely couldn't cut it and now you think Soto will not be able to cut it. That's just in a live situation. We won't even get into who can or can't cut it with them in the studio in a writing situation. I think it's time to let go of wanting Journey to sound like the old Journey (which is Steve Perry's VOICE) and start thinking of this band as a group of good musicians that need a NEW voice with a new sound. That may require them reworking their live songlist and fans realizing that it is asking WAY too much of any vocalist to be what Perry was to Journey, both as a vocalist and a songwriter. And just so you don't think I'm off on a Perry tangent, I really want to see Soto succeed and write some stuff with them.

I came from my mom, where'd you come from?

Rock n Roll is my only religion. I'm not always right and I'll admit it, but I am a man of the Rock. If people post stupidity, then they should expect to hear about it.

All hail Rock n Roll.

EightyRock wrote:No, that's just it. He ISN'T trying to sound and look (???) like Perry. That's why all these people are going crazy, because they want him to sound like Perry. People say Soto does NOT sound like "Journey". What does "Journey" sound like? Hmmm...Journey sounds like a strong, melodic voice that towers over the band, just like Schon's guitar. In a way there were two voices in Journey, Perry's and Neal's. Nobody wants to admit what they want to hear from a singer in Journey. They say, "we want him to be able to COVER the material". We want him to be able to "hit all the notes". Nobody has been able to do that yet. Even when Augeri first started with the band 8 years ago, you still couldn't hear him well in a live setting. His voice really wasn't all that melodic and he certainly didn't hit many of the high notes. It looks to me that if people were honest, they want Perry's clone from 1981. Everybody is asking way too much of the band and expecting them to find someone that doesn't exist. Augeri definitely couldn't cut it and now you think Soto will not be able to cut it. That's just in a live situation. We won't even get into who can or can't cut it with them in the studio in a writing situation. I think it's time to let go of wanting Journey to sound like the old Journey (which is Steve Perry's VOICE) and start thinking of this band as a group of good musicians that need a NEW voice with a new sound. That may require them reworking their live songlist and fans realizing that it is asking WAY too much of any vocalist to be what Perry was to Journey, both as a vocalist and a songwriter. And just so you don't think I'm off on a Perry tangent, I really want to see Soto succeed and write some stuff with them.

great post ,, very well said,, lots of writing!!! i had to get my glasses!!,, but very well done

EightyRock wrote:No, that's just it. He ISN'T trying to sound and look (???) like Perry. That's why all these people are going crazy, because they want him to sound like Perry. People say Soto does NOT sound like "Journey". What does "Journey" sound like?

I want a singer who can easily hit the range that Perry did when those songs were created and be able to sing them live, night after night and do them justice.

The thing that worries me about Jeff's voice is that I'm not sure it can stand up to the routine of singing in that range when it's very possible that he doesn't have that range to begin with. If he's straining from the beginning, it'll only get worse and that's the fear.

When <b>Little River Band's</b> lead singer was replaced (for whatever reason, I forget now), the new singer was actually better in my opinion, which is rare. He had that ability to not only sing the songs, but he did them justice while applying his own style to them. He was very good.

I'd like the same for Journey.

Everybody wants that, but where are you going to find it? When tape-gate hit the fan all everybody was saying exactly what you just mentioned (and more). Basically, go find a talented kick-ass singer that is worthy of standing on that stage with you guys and quit embarrassing yourselves and your fans. If they didn't have Soto to step in right now, it would have been a bigger disaster than it was. If they are going to continue this tour through Sept. or Oct., they had better keep him and keep him happy!

EightyRock wrote:If they didn't have Soto to step in right now, it would have been a bigger disaster than it was.

Absolutely.

EightyRock wrote: Basically, go find a talented kick-ass singer that is worthy of standing on that stage with you guys and quit embarrassing yourselves and your fans. If they didn't have Soto to step in right now, it would have been a bigger disaster than it was. If they are going to continue this tour through Sept. or Oct., they had better keep him and keep him happy!

Perfectly put.

jeremy..that cat has that captured perry sound,, im for jss, and augeri,, making there mark too.. that perry sound is hard to be recaptured,, lets give jss some time!!

LarryFromNextDoor wrote:jeremy..that cat has that captured perry sound,, im for jss, and augeri,, making there mark too.. that perry sound is hard to be recaptured,, lets give jss some time!!

he can have all the time he needs but it won't be what he needs.He's not Journey material imo...He's a great rocker but not the journey sound...they need to stick with what they know and what works and quit trying to reinvent the wheel.If they try this again there just gonna make a mess out of his career to .But i'm sure they don't care about that either its all on can he help bring in the bucks!!!thats a sad state of affairs going on there.

fred_journeyman wrote:When <b>Little River Band's</b> lead singer was replaced (for whatever reason, I forget now), the new singer was actually better in my opinion, which is rare. He had that ability to not only sing the songs, but he did them justice while applying his own style to them. He was very good.

I'd like the same for Journey.

I would agree with that....Farnham replacing Shorrock was a good choice. Then Shorrock replaced Farnham, also a good choice for a 'reunion'. Then Steve Wade replaced Shorrock, who was also a great singer...then nobody replaced Steve Wade but had Wayne Nelson (bass player, who sang "Night Owls") sing all the lead vocals...and that is what is touring today.

Survivor is another good example...Jamison replacing Bickler. This is another band that Chalfant would have fit into, and I believe he almost had the job years ago.

I don't care if he sounds like Perry. I never felt that Augeri sounded like Perry. I don't feel Chalfant sounds too much like Perry either. The reason I DO NOT want Hugo in Journey is because he sounds TOO MUCH like Perry. I just want somebody singing the songs who can sing the songs as they were meant to be sung. JSS can't seem to do that.

wildone wrote:

LarryFromNextDoor wrote:jeremy..that cat has that captured perry sound,, im for jss, and augeri,, making there mark too.. that perry sound is hard to be recaptured,, lets give jss some time!!

he can have all the time he needs but it won't be what he needs.He's not Journey material imo...He's a great rocker but not the journey sound...they need to stick with what they know and what works and quit trying to reinvent the wheel.If they try this again there just gonna make a mess out of his career to .But i'm sure they don't care about that either its all on can he help bring in the bucks!!!thats a sad state of affairs going on there.

are u thinking they have the chance to restart the journey wheel? get radio play and recognition in next year or so that they deserved all along? that would be great.. i wouldnt want jss to suffer any for salvaging a tour.. im just torn..... ugh

EightyRock wrote:Everybody wants that, but where are you going to find it? When tape-gate hit the fan all everybody was saying exactly what you just mentioned (and more). Basically, go find a talented kick-ass singer that is worthy of standing on that stage with you guys and quit embarrassing yourselves and your fans. If they didn't have Soto to step in right now, it would have been a bigger disaster than it was. If they are going to continue this tour through Sept. or Oct., they had better keep him and keep him happy!

Okay, let me clarify then. I don't think Soto should be replaced NOW. I'm glad for Journey's sake that he was able to step in now for this tour. I'm referring to the long run, down the road.

I agree with you, based on everything I've read in the past few days that had not Soto stepped in as lead singer, the disaster would be huge, and possibly not one that the band could come from easily.

Regarding your comment - "Everybody wants that, but where are you going to find it?" - I don't know where you'd find it, but goodness, I cannot believe that there is NO ONE out there who can do real justice to these songs for the long haul. Finding that person might be tough, yes, but not believing that they exist is the tougher part of the equation for me.

fred_journeyman wrote:Regarding your comment - "Everybody wants that, but where are you going to find it?" - I don't know where you'd find it, but goodness, I cannot believe that there is NO ONE out there who can do real justice to these songs for the long haul. Finding that person might be tough, yes, but not believing that they exist is the tougher part of the equation for me.

I agree with that. Maybe there won't be someone with the *exact same sound* as Perry, and that's okay, but there has to be someone out there who has natural vocal ability and range. Not saying SA and JSS don't, but I mean with regards to covering Perry's vox without destroying his own voice in the process.

fred_journeyman wrote:

EightyRock wrote:Everybody wants that, but where are you going to find it? When tape-gate hit the fan all everybody was saying exactly what you just mentioned (and more). Basically, go find a talented kick-ass singer that is worthy of standing on that stage with you guys and quit embarrassing yourselves and your fans. If they didn't have Soto to step in right now, it would have been a bigger disaster than it was. If they are going to continue this tour through Sept. or Oct., they had better keep him and keep him happy!

Okay, let me clarify then. I don't think Soto should be replaced NOW. I'm glad for Journey's sake that he was able to step in now for this tour. I'm referring to the long run, down the road.

I agree with you, based on everything I've read in the past few days that had not Soto stepped in as lead singer, the disaster would be huge, and possibly not one that the band could come from easil

Regarding your comment - "Everybody wants that, but where are you going to find it?" - I don't know where you'd find it, but goodness, I cannot believe that there is NO ONE out there who can do real justice to these songs for the long haul. Finding that person might be tough, yes, but not believing that they exist is the tougher part of the equation for me.

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Oh, he's out there Fred, but like he said, " You know, there is no going back."

fred_journeyman wrote:

EightyRock wrote:Everybody wants that, but where are you going to find it? When tape-gate hit the fan all everybody was saying exactly what you just mentioned (and more). Basically, go find a talented kick-ass singer that is worthy of standing on that stage with you guys and quit embarrassing yourselves and your fans. If they didn't have Soto to step in right now, it would have been a bigger disaster than it was. If they are going to continue this tour through Sept. or Oct., they had better keep him and keep him happy!

Okay, let me clarify then. I don't think Soto should be replaced NOW. I'm glad for Journey's sake that he was able to step in now for this tour. I'm referring to the long run, down the road.

I agree with you, based on everything I've read in the past few days that had not Soto stepped in as lead singer, the disaster would be huge, and possibly not one that the band could come from easily.

Regarding your comment - "Everybody wants that, but where are you going to find it?" - I don't know where you'd find it, but goodness, I cannot believe that there is NO ONE out there who can do real justice to these songs for the long haul. Finding that person might be tough, yes, but not believing that they exist is the tougher part of the equation for me.

I think Soto has kept THE TOUR alive, not Journey. He should be thanked by EVERYONE, especially the band, for bringing Journey out of a huge mess. The next year is gonna define this band's legacy whether it's fair or unfair. PERSONALLY I think Perry is the only one who can bring them out of the mess THEY have created. The huge giant that was Journey still wants that. And I am one of them.

heardonthestreet wrote:

fred_journeyman wrote:

EightyRock wrote:Everybody wants that, but where are you going to find it? When tape-gate hit the fan all everybody was saying exactly what you just mentioned (and more). Basically, go find a talented kick-ass singer that is worthy of standing on that stage with you guys and quit embarrassing yourselves and your fans. If they didn't have Soto to step in right now, it would have been a bigger disaster than it was. If they are going to continue this tour through Sept. or Oct., they had better keep him and keep him happy!

Okay, let me clarify then. I don't think Soto should be replaced NOW. I'm glad for Journey's sake that he was able to step in now for this tour. I'm referring to the long run, down the road.

I agree with you, based on everything I've read in the past few days that had not Soto stepped in as lead singer, the disaster would be huge, and possibly not one that the band could come from easil

Regarding your comment - "Everybody wants that, but where are you going to find it?" - I don't know where you'd find it, but goodness, I cannot believe that there is NO ONE out there who can do real justice to these songs for the long haul. Finding that person might be tough, yes, but not believing that they exist is the tougher part of the equation for me.

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Oh, he's out there Fred, but like he said, " You know, there is no going back."

Ya know, I hate to break this to you but SP isn't ever going to sing on a tour ever again. He doesn't have the passion or the chops to do it anymore and although it would be wonderful if he did it's just not going to happen.

Don't stop belivin, Ace

Oh boy. Another person who KNOWS what Perry can and can't do.

heardonthestreet wrote:Don't stop belivin, Ace

Yep, keep the faith too. But it's been too long, dontcha think

Monker wrote:The reason I DO NOT want Hugo in Journey is because he sounds TOO MUCH like Perry. I just want somebody singing the songs who can sing the songs as they were meant to be sung. JSS can't seem to do that.

So a no go for Hugo but if JSS sounded like Steve Perry that would be okay? Incidently I still don't think that Hugo sounds that much like Steve Perry. The same tone and the ability to cover any of the Perry era songs maybe but not an exact sound alike. That would be this board's own Jeremey who has some freaky pipes!

Listen to a Journey cover by the Hugo fronted Evolution followed by one from Jeremey's Frontiers, the same song if possible. Almost Worlds Apart vocally (forgive the pun).

EVOLUTION=
http://www.journeyshow.com/frame_web/frame1.htm (the Promo page has much better quality live tracks)
FRONTIERS=
http://www.journeytributeband.com/

As I have mentioned before, I would love to see a Hugo fronted Journey almost as much as I would like to see him perform his own material live.

finalfight wrote:

Monker wrote:The reason I DO NOT want Hugo in Journey is because he sounds TOO MUCH like Perry. I just want somebody singing the songs who can sing the songs as they were meant to be sung. JSS can't seem to do that.

So a no go for Hugo but if JSS sounded like Steve Perry that would be okay? Incidently I still don't think that Hugo sounds that much like Steve Perry. The same tone and the ability to cover any of the Perry era songs maybe but not an exact sound alike. That would be this board's own Jeremey who has some freaky pipes!

Listen to a Journey cover by the Hugo fronted Evolution followed by one from Jeremey's Frontiers, the same song if possible. Almost Worlds Apart vocally (forgive the pun).

EVOLUTION=
http://www.journeyshow.com/frame_web/frame1.htm (the Promo page has much better quality live tracks)
FRONTIERS=
http://www.journeytributeband.com/

As I have mentioned before, I would love to see a Hugo fronted Journey almost as much as I would like to see him perform his own material live.

Listened to all the clips..watched all the vidz... Im afraid Hugo's voice doesnt come anywhere near Jeremy's..Jeremy has so much more power...and a richer timbre... Hugo is ok... but Jeremy is da man!!

finalfight wrote:

Monker wrote:The reason I DO NOT want Hugo in Journey is because he sounds TOO MUCH like Perry. I just want somebody singing the songs who can sing the songs as they were meant to be sung. JSS can't seem to do that.

So a no go for Hugo but if JSS sounded like Steve Perry that would be okay? Incidently I still don't think that Hugo sounds that much like Steve Perry. The same tone and the ability to cover any of the Perry era songs maybe but not an exact sound alike. That would be this board's own Jeremey who has some freaky pipes!

Listen to a Journey cover by the Hugo fronted Evolution followed by one from Jeremey's Frontiers, the same song if possible. Almost Worlds Apart vocally (forgive the pun).

EVOLUTION=
http://www.journeyshow.com/frame_web/frame1.htm (the Promo page has much better quality live tracks)
FRONTIERS=
http://www.journeytributeband.com/

As I have mentioned before, I would love to see a Hugo fronted Journey almost as much as I would like to see him perform his own material live.

Listened to all the clips..watched all the vidz... Im afraid Hugo's voice doesnt come anywhere near Jeremy's..Jeremy has so much more power...and a richer timbre... Hugo is ok... but Jeremy is da man!!

Just listening to the Jeremy Frontiers live cuts... the sound is a million times better than the sound at a Journey gig these days... where the vocals are constantly buried in the mix... suppose its the sound engineers brief these days... with Augeri..it was "bury it due to throat probs" with JSS..its "bury it as he cant reach the highs" !!

Ho-hum!!

neilmaclookalike wrote:
with JSS..its "bury it as he cant reach the highs" !!

Ho-hum!!

Poppycock as they say. Jeff will have the last laugh.

Yeah, I agree Andrew......or at least am open minded....too many people seem to want to write off JSS after just a few shows, which are pretty good by the way anyway. Its as if they are shocked that the vocals sound different than what they are used to, and because they are different they aren't good.

Eric wrote:Yeah, I agree Andrew......or at least am open minded....too many people seem to want to write off JSS after just a few shows, which are pretty good by the way anyway. Its as if they are shocked that the vocals sound different than what they are used to, and because they are different they aren't good.

I'm not understanding that either Eric. A lot of these same people were the ones saying they should have let Augeri sing like himself instead of making him sound like Perry, but they don't want Jeff because he doesn't sing like Perry. Some of these naysayers are the ones who have been wanting Journey to rock harder and get away from so many ballads, but they don't like the harder rocking sound of JSS. I don't know what they want, and I'm beginning to wonder if they do.

Ohsherrie,

Well, what they really want is Steve Perry...deep down...just like most of us. I could be a fool, I mean I'm supporting this band no matter what it appears to be honest.

I don't want Journey to go away again.

ohsherrie wrote:I'm not understanding that either Eric. A lot of these same people were the ones saying they should have let Augeri sing like himself instead of making him sound like Perry, but they don't want Jeff because he doesn't sing like Perry. Some of these naysayers are the ones who have been wanting Journey to rock harder and get away from so many ballads, but they don't like the harder rocking sound of JSS. I don't know what they want, and I'm beginning to wonder if they do.

I don't think most Journey fans, at least at this forum, want someone who sounds exactly like Perry. They want someone who sounds decent singing Journey songs. So far, Soto, for the most part, doesn't sound all that great. I think he sounds simply okay on the harder stuff and bad on the more mellow material.

Speaking for myself, I never thought Augeri sounded like a Perry clone and I wouldn't want the new singer to sound like either he or Perry, for that matter. I would just like someone who can sing the songs and sound half way decent.

IMHO, they want Journey style, not JSS style. He's a great singer and I enjoyed the concert but it wasn't Journeyesque. It was Journey playing the music and JSS singing the lyrics.