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Deano,

You seem confident that Augeri is finished w/ Journey. I hope that is not true, but you seem to have inside sources. :? My question is if this is the case, why keep up the charade that he is still a member of the band? Bands change lead singers all the time (recently Survivor), their current tour is exceeding expectations. In fact, in light of the tapegate situation - you would think they would want to distance themselves from Augeri as quickly as possible.

This makes me think that he is still in their plans if he can recover.

roycap wrote:Deano,

You seem confident that Augeri is finished w/ Journey. I hope that is not true, but you seem to have inside sources. My question is if this is the case, why keep up the charade that he is still a member of the band? Bands change lead singers all the time (recently Survivor), their current tour is exceeding expectations. In fact, in light of the tapegate situation - you would think they would want to distance themselves from Augeri as quickly as possible.

This makes me think that he is still in their plans if he can recover.

Watch this space..... but prepare for disappointment

I am curious to who has the sources etc...to one make the allegations---and two to say they know whats coming in the future....


Rick

I don't think Dean is the only one believing Augeri will not be back with Journey. My thoughts are that if you believe tapes were used in place of vocals then you pretty much believe Augeri will not return to the stage with Journey. Not an easy scandal to live down and doubtful fans aware of the allegations will forget anytime soon. I think if Augeri were to return by some miracle, his performances would be scrutinized like never before. I'm one who believes he will not return to the stage with Journey and of course.... this is just my opinion.

Lula wrote:I don't think Dean is the only one believing Augeri will not be back with Journey. My thoughts are that if you believe tapes were used in place of vocals then you pretty much believe Augeri will not return to the stage with Journey. Not an easy scandal to live down and doubtful fans aware of the allegations will forget anytime soon. I think if Augeri were to return by some miracle, his performances would be scrutinized like never before. I'm one who believes he will not return to the stage with Journey and of course.... this is just my opinion.

scrutinized.. heck its been that way for him since 1998!! :D

Rick

And in all the multiple thousands of people that have attended a Journey concert this year, how many do you think even know about the allegations of Augeri lip synching? Even taking into consideration what may have been printed/posted in magazines and mentioned on morning radio programs, what percentage of the concert goers do you think know or even care? If it was as bad as some have made it appear, there would be more grumblings prior to each Journey concert. And as is always said, most people attend the concert in hopes of hearing some of the dirty dozen, if not all. It is the "internet geeks", as NIG so lovingly calls us, that demand more from Journey than anyone else.

I've read more information in regards to other bands using tapes of all kinds then I have any information in regards to Journey. Other than if the band were faking all the music, I don't think it is as big an issue as the few here who take it personally and know more than the casual fan. MHO only.

And as a side note, if Steve Augeri does not return to Journey, I'll be one of his fans that would definitely attend a concert of his with whomever he tours with.

I don't know how many people are aware of the tape scandal. My guess is only the visitors of Journey forums, classic rock forums, and those that simply follow the band and the people who care enought to listen to the rants. It does not matter to me how many concert goers are aware, some probably couldn't care less if the lead vocals are live or not. I do care and would at least like to know before spending a small fortune on concert tickets. As long as bands are being honest and allowing fans to make up their own minds I don't have a problem, it is the dishonesty that gets me.

I think Journey avoided a lot of trouble by replacing Augeri on the tour. If they'd continued using tapes even after the allegations surfaced, it would've reached the mainstream media, not because Journey is still popular but because the media loves brining people down and exposing scandals.

I doubt Augeri will recover, even if he does, it won't be to the point where he could sing those songs night after night. That's hard on anyone's voice, let alone someone recovering from a serious throat condition.

Lula wrote:I don't know how many people are aware of the tape scandal. My guess is only the visitors of Journey forums, classic rock forums, and those that simply follow the band and the people who care enought to listen to the rants. It does not matter to me how many concert goers are aware, some probably couldn't care less if the lead vocals are live or not. I do care and would at least like to know before spending a small fortune on concert tickets. As long as bands are being honest and allowing fans to make up their own minds I don't have a problem, it is the dishonesty that gets me.

my opinion is only people who know and CARE... are the 10 to 15 people who bring it up every day over here....who also have been tearing to shreds Augeri since 1998... but those 10-15 people who stir it up think they speak for everyone in the world...


Rick

cetera wrote:

roycap wrote:Deano,

You seem confident that Augeri is finished w/ Journey. I hope that is not true, but you seem to have inside sources. My question is if this is the case, why keep up the charade that he is still a member of the band? Bands change lead singers all the time (recently Survivor), their current tour is exceeding expectations. In fact, in light of the tapegate situation - you would think they would want to distance themselves from Augeri as quickly as possible.

This makes me think that he is still in their plans if he can recover.

Watch this space..... but prepare for disappointment

Augeri has had vocal problems for some time he is not going to get better,the band have there new singer now.I hope Augeri regains some of his voice so he continues in some form but from the moment he was away from the mic it was over.The band chose to play the illness card rather than say we sacked him, it sounds a whole lot better.They should have done this the moment he lost his voice and moved on with a new singer not a tape.He could have left a lot more gracefully thats for sure!

You know Rick, I honestly don't think there are even 10 people bringing up the subject any longer. A few seem to want more answers or something clarified, but only a few can offer that much- the rest of us go on what we've heard i.e., samples, 'expert' opinions, etc... I don't think we will ever really know the whole story or truth, as with so much of Journey's colorful history

lights1961 wrote:

Lula wrote:I don't know how many people are aware of the tape scandal. My guess is only the visitors of Journey forums, classic rock forums, and those that simply follow the band and the people who care enought to listen to the rants. It does not matter to me how many concert goers are aware, some probably couldn't care less if the lead vocals are live or not. I do care and would at least like to know before spending a small fortune on concert tickets. As long as bands are being honest and allowing fans to make up their own minds I don't have a problem, it is the dishonesty that gets me.

my opinion is only people who know and CARE... are the 10 to 15 people who bring it up every day over here....who also have been tearing to shreds Augeri since 1998... but those 10-15 people who stir it up think they speak for everyone in the world...


Rick

If so few people know why did the band go live after using tapes? They must have thought a whole lot more people than 10-15 knew about it to do something so dramatic

bionic wrote:

lights1961 wrote:

Lula wrote:I don't know how many people are aware of the tape scandal. My guess is only the visitors of Journey forums, classic rock forums, and those that simply follow the band and the people who care enought to listen to the rants. It does not matter to me how many concert goers are aware, some probably couldn't care less if the lead vocals are live or not. I do care and would at least like to know before spending a small fortune on concert tickets. As long as bands are being honest and allowing fans to make up their own minds I don't have a problem, it is the dishonesty that gets me.

my opinion is only people who know and CARE... are the 10 to 15 people who bring it up every day over here....who also have been tearing to shreds Augeri since 1998... but those 10-15 people who stir it up think they speak for everyone in the world...


Rick

If so few people know why did the band go live after using tapes? They must have thought a whole lot more people than 10-15 knew about it to do something so dramatic

and again beating the dead and buried horse

Because they DIDN"T do anything dramatic. Steve is sick.

How did he go from sounding THAT good in Europe to sounding so bad in the States just a few weeks later and being so sick that he needed to sit out an entire tour?

WalrusOct9 wrote:How did he go from sounding THAT good in Europe to sounding so bad in the States just a few weeks later and being so sick that he needed to sit out an entire tour?

Have you never felt great one day and deathly ill the next? Maybe because he hadn't sung since March and a whole week of singing back to back nights and traveling caused a relapse? I was at the first two shows and then the 4th show here. He wasn't "bad", rough better describes it. And the tour isn't over....

Sure I have. But not gone from feeling fine to deathly ill to the point where I knew I was going to be out of commission for several months.

And just because you haven't sung onstage in a few months doesn't mean anything. Professional singers know what to do to keep their voice in shape even when not touring for a little while.

Thankful the tour is not over. As fans we were lucky Jeff was able to fit the tour into his schedule .

Lula wrote:Thankful the tour is not over. As fans we were lucky Jeff was able to fit the tour into his schedule .

I agree! We sure are lucky!

I meant that he wasn't on a grueling tour schedule between March and June so that added to the sounding good in Europe. And with regards to being deathly ill, I have had pneumonia, thought I was feeling better and then had a relapse months later that put me out of commission for a month. But I'm not a singer, so that happening to a singer can absolutely cause his being out of commission for several months or more.

He's off the tour which seems to be making alot of folks happy. JSS is there helping out temporarily, I'll let you know after I see him this month what I think. And before you say it, I have his solo and Soul Sirkus music and do enjoy it.

*peace*

MCC620 wrote:I meant that he wasn't on a grueling tour schedule between March and June so that added to the sounding good in Europe. And with regards to being deathly ill, I have had pneumonia, thought I was feeling better and then had a relapse months later that put me out of commission for a month. But I'm not a singer, so that happening to a singer can absolutely cause his being out of commission for several months or more.

He's off the tour which seems to be making alot of folks happy. JSS is there helping out temporarily, I'll let you know after I see him this month what I think. And before you say it, I have his solo and Soul Sirkus music and do enjoy it.

*peace*

Jeff is not helping out temporarily belive me People keep talking about Steve like he is deathly ill? His voice is shot thats all,unless he issues a statement telling us he has a illness of sorts thats it i belive.

MCC620 wrote:

WalrusOct9 wrote:How did he go from sounding THAT good in Europe to sounding so bad in the States just a few weeks later and being so sick that he needed to sit out an entire tour?

Have you never felt great one day and deathly ill the next? Maybe because he hadn't sung since March and a whole week of singing back to back nights and traveling caused a relapse? I was at the first two shows and then the 4th show here. He wasn't "bad", rough better describes it. And the tour isn't over....

Please, do not insult us. He was cruising along just fine with the lead vocal track playing until he got called out by Deano. Then, they decided to put him out there long enough to prep Jeff to take over. Also, Deen lightened his workload by singing 4 songs and even Jon sang 1. As soon as Jeff was ready (contract, rehearsals, etc.) they announced Steve had a "throat condition." While that IS true, they left out the part that he's had it for some time and they've been but-fucking their fans with less than honest shows. Manchester was a perfect example of how they KNEW Augeri's voiced was fucked. And people think Perry's an asshole. While he may be, he always had integrity on stage and that's all I really care about.

Please don't insult me..........Deen has been singing and so has Jon throughout the years. In fact Neal sang last tour, In Self Defense, from the Generations cd.

You believe what you want and I'll believe what I want.

*peace*

It's amazing how many people provide their two cents. The email is to Deano.

You seem confident that Augeri is finished w/ Journey. I hope that is not true, but you seem to have inside sources. :? My question is if this is the case, why keep up the charade that he is still a member of the band? Bands change lead singers all the time (recently Survivor), their current tour is exceeding expectations. In fact, in light of the tapegate situation - you would think they would want to distance themselves from Augeri as quickly as possible.

This makes me think that he is still in their plans if he can recover.

we love hijacking threads!! Our 2cents are the way we communicate as thats all were worth!!! LMAO...

Rick

lights1961 wrote:we love hijacking threads!! Our 2cents are the way we communicate as thats all were worth!!! LMAO...

Rick

Bingo!!
If you don't want a bunch of opinions try using the PM option

MCC620 wrote:Steve is sick.

Yep, and Steve Perry didn't reneg on touring, he truly came down with a "degenerative hip disease".
Also, Valory and Smith weren't actually fired from ROR, they amicably "departed the band over creative differences".


Has Journey's checkered history taught its fans absolutely nothing?

FACT: Augeri is out, Soto is in.

Call it temporary if you want. Believe the lies that are being fed by press releases. As of right now, the burden of proof on Augeri returning is on those who BELIEVE, in vain, that he is returning.

Those of us who KNOW he is finished have NOTHING to prove - Jeff Scott Soto and JOURNEY are proving it for us.

Sooooooo, if you believe Augeri is returning, prove it to US .


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The_Noble_Cause wrote:Yep, and Steve Perry didn't reneg on touring, he truly came down with a "degenerative hip disease".

I never saw why he couldn't have had a bum hip. Perhaps it was simply a convenient excuse to not tour, but even Steve Smith said he did have the problem. Conspiracy theories...

Saint John wrote:

MCC620 wrote:

WalrusOct9 wrote:How did he go from sounding THAT good in Europe to sounding so bad in the States just a few weeks later and being so sick that he needed to sit out an entire tour?

Have you never felt great one day and deathly ill the next? Maybe because he hadn't sung since March and a whole week of singing back to back nights and traveling caused a relapse? I was at the first two shows and then the 4th show here. He wasn't "bad", rough better describes it. And the tour isn't over....

Please, do not insult us. He was cruising along just fine with the lead vocal track playing until he got called out by Deano. Then, they decided to put him out there long enough to prep Jeff to take over. Also, Deen lightened his workload by singing 4 songs and even Jon sang 1. As soon as Jeff was ready (contract, rehearsals, etc.) they announced Steve had a "throat condition." While that IS true, they left out the part that he's had it for some time and they've been but-fucking their fans with less than honest shows. Manchester was a perfect example of how they KNEW Augeri's voiced was fucked. And people think Perry's an asshole. While he may be, he always had integrity on stage and that's all I really care about.

"And people think Perry's an asshole."




I know there is SOME people that think that way about Perry, but I certainly don't feel that way about him.

I 've never met him in person, so I don't claim to know what he is like in person, and NOR am I saying he is a saint either,( No one is) but he has done some real nice things for the fans over the years, like showing up at the Hollywood Walk of Fame, and suprising those ladies at Perryville at the Journey Star. All those Perryville women seemed "real happy" that Perry suprised them that way. I've read other stories about fans who had GOOD experiences when meeting him, so I'll go with that.

And Yea,I know I will be called a Perry loon, but so what, least I have GREAT TASTE in singers!!!

Lori