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Ouch!!

Comments anyone? Am I the only one who never realised he had sung any of these songs in a lower key??

Perry sounds well ropey here doesn't he? (Atlanta 94 gig) links in another thread too

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HL2W19GW

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JVB17OML

Never ever knew he had lowered the keys to any songs live..my eyes have been opened!!

And people slam Augeri here..... to use a well known phrase, bandied around here... WTF!!!

After hearing this, you better believe Perry has a wise old head on his shoulders.. he made the right decision not to return to the stage with Journey again... good job his hip happened to play up at just the right time...sheesh!!

Just listened to Seperate Ways.. man, seems the backing singer is doing a lot of the high notes, in this "tuned down" version.

Fucks sake... Why couldnt Journey throw out a helping hand to Steva A in the same way, instead of watching his voice deteriorate, and then install the tape machine... makes me puke!!

McNeil wrote:Never ever knew he had lowered the keys to any songs live..my eyes have been opened!!

Fucks sake... Why couldnt Journey throw out a helping hand to Steva A in the same way, instead of watching his voice deteriorate, and then install the tape machine... makes me puke!!

That was Perry w/his own band on FTLOSM tour-NOT Journey. Yeah he tuned it down & it sounded great. No one cared a damn. I wasn't in Atlanta but I was at 2 other shows on that tour.

To answer your question: If Journey turned down Augeri during his tenure, everyone would of said Augeri couldn't cut it. "See I told u so." "He's no Perry." blah blah blah.

Damned if u do. Damned if u don't.

I knew back then he tuned it down a notch or two. No biggie. No way even Perry could sound like himself from 78 - 81.

They should have done this with Augeri from the start. He would have sounded MUCH better in a more relaxed state.

knox wrote:I knew back then he tuned it down a notch or two. No biggie. No way even Perry could sound like himself from 78 - 81.

They should have done this with Augeri from the start. He would have sounded MUCH better in a more relaxed state.

Too true

JourneyRox wrote:That was Perry w/his own band on FTLOSM tour-NOT Journey. Yeah he tuned it down & it sounded great. No one cared a damn. I wasn't in Atlanta but I was at 2 other shows on that tour.

To answer your question: If Journey turned down Augeri during his tenure, everyone would of said Augeri couldn't cut it. "See I told u so." "He's no Perry." blah blah blah.

Damned if u do. Damned if u don't.

You're exactly right. You already had the Perryheads saying that Augeri was no Perry even though, at the same time, they were saying how he sounded exactly like him. That never made sense to me. Of course, then they would be saying "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" if they had tuned down a notch to make it a bit easier.

conversationpc wrote:

JourneyRox wrote:That was Perry w/his own band on FTLOSM tour-NOT Journey. Yeah he tuned it down & it sounded great. No one cared a damn. I wasn't in Atlanta but I was at 2 other shows on that tour.

To answer your question: If Journey turned down Augeri during his tenure, everyone would of said Augeri couldn't cut it. "See I told u so." "He's no Perry." blah blah blah.

Damned if u do. Damned if u don't.

You're exactly right. You already had the Perryheads saying that Augeri was no Perry even though, at the same time, they were saying how he sounded exactly like him. That never made sense to me. Of course, then they would be saying "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" if they had tuned down a notch to make it a bit easier.

No Perryhead has ever said Augeri sounded as good as Perry. The point was always that Augeri tried to copy Perry's style and this is why none of us respected him.

MATTHEW wrote:

conversationpc wrote:

JourneyRox wrote:That was Perry w/his own band on FTLOSM tour-NOT Journey. Yeah he tuned it down & it sounded great. No one cared a damn. I wasn't in Atlanta but I was at 2 other shows on that tour.

To answer your question: If Journey turned down Augeri during his tenure, everyone would of said Augeri couldn't cut it. "See I told u so." "He's no Perry." blah blah blah.

Damned if u do. Damned if u don't.

You're exactly right. You already had the Perryheads saying that Augeri was no Perry even though, at the same time, they were saying how he sounded exactly like him. That never made sense to me. Of course, then they would be saying "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" if they had tuned down a notch to make it a bit easier.

No Perryhead has ever said Augeri sounded as good as Perry. The point was always that Augeri tried to copy Perry's style and this is why none of us respected him.

Thats exactly correct. Fans will argue that - who knows why. But the fact still remains, Augeri and Castronovo were and are still huge Perry fans. They grew up idolising the man for cyring out loud. It would be very hard not try and sound like the man, probably impossible to be honest. In all fairness, Augeri like ayone else would of taken the roll - no matter how bad they sounded compared to Perry.

Augeri looked un-natural for most of the songs. Songs like Open Arms, he looked relaxed and some others - but! as many of you said already, and I agree 100% how Steve Augeri needed to be toned down. Alot of other professional singers stated this aswell I have read. Its great that Augeri fronted Journey, but - I could never take it seriously... how could you.

MATTHEW wrote:
No Perryhead has ever said Augeri sounded as good as Perry. The point was always that Augeri tried to copy Perry's style and this is why none of us respected him.

It is not just Augeri, NO ONE has ever sounded as good as Perry!!!!!

The fact of the matter is that Journey's material, especially from the dirty dozen era is rather punishing on the vocals. It's punished Perry's, punished Augeri, even punishes Deen. So I can understand completely if Perry or anyone else for that matter needs to downtune the material.

ForceInfinity wrote:The fact of the matter is that Journey's material, especially from the dirty dozen era is rather punishing on the vocals. It's punished Perry's, punished Augeri, even punishes Deen. So I can understand completely if Perry or anyone else for that matter needs to downtune the material.

Look I'm not going off on u ForceInfinity. But just this whole idea. First of all, I'm a self-admitted Perryloon. I have certainly never said Augeri sounded like Perry. I don't know 1 single self-respecting Perryloon who has ever said that. WTF. Copied Perry? Tried to sound like Perry? Yep. So does Deen. But no one sounds like Perry.

Second who can prove Journey's dirty dozen punished Perry vocally? Any of u heard him sing lately other than hoarse goofing around at the White Sox celebration w/a crap mic having a good time? Any of u heard how he sounded then. Anyone here think u could sound that good hoarse w/a bunch of players singing around u out of tune? Anyone think any singer could? Any of u ever sung as a male tenor & got paid for it & now in ur 40s or 50s? If so, bring it on.

Erm could it have been age that changed his voice a little? They said he lost his voice long b4 FTLOSM. Were u at that concert? If he lost his voice I'd sell my soul to the devil for a voice like he had at that show & I daresay alot of musicians would do the same. Holy f'ing crap. That was a voice I heard & then some. He made fun of the people who said he'd lost his voice at that show. Check out a boot or the clip on YouTube. Then he showed the "voice" he had left. FFS give it a break. I'm over this part of any Journey argument.

Ask any male tenor if they can sing the same way in their 40s as in their 20s. Anyone. Jeremey here on this board will tell u the truth about that. He's a great singer but he says it like it is. He tuned it down. He ain't hiding that.

JourneyRox wrote:

ForceInfinity wrote:The fact of the matter is that Journey's material, especially from the dirty dozen era is rather punishing on the vocals. It's punished Perry's, punished Augeri, even punishes Deen. So I can understand completely if Perry or anyone else for that matter needs to downtune the material.

Look I'm not going off on u ForceInfinity. But just this whole idea. First of all, I'm a self-admitted Perryloon. I have certainly never said Augeri sounded like Perry. I don't know 1 single self-respecting Perryloon who has ever said that. WTF. Copied Perry? Tried to sound like Perry? Yep. So does Deen. But no one sounds like Perry.

Second who can prove Journey's dirty dozen punished Perry vocally? Any of u heard him sing lately other than hoarse goofing around at the White Sox celebration w/a crap mic having a good time? Any of u heard how he sounded then. Anyone here think u could sound that good hoarse w/a bunch of players singing around u out of tune? Anyone think any singer could? Any of u ever sung as a male tenor & got paid for it & now in ur 40s or 50s? If so, bring it on.

Erm could it have been age that changed his voice a little? They said he lost his voice long b4 FTLOSM. Were u at that concert? If he lost his voice I'd sell my soul to the devil for a voice like he had at that show & I daresay alot of musicians would do the same. Holy f'ing crap. That was a voice I heard & then some. He made fun of the people who said he'd lost his voice at that show. Check out a boot or the clip on YouTube. Then he showed the "voice" he had left. FFS give it a break. I'm over this part of any Journey argument.

Ask any male tenor if they can sing the same way in their 40s as in their 20s. Anyone. Jeremey here on this board will tell u the truth about that. He's a great singer but he says it like it is. He tuned it down. He ain't hiding that.

Very good post! I especially like the part where you said: "I don't know 1 single self-respecting Perryloon who has ever said that". That was classic!

I wanna hear Perry sing "Do You Recall" and "Somthing To Hide". ORIGINAL keys. lol

Sorry I'm being a drunk asshole.

JourneyRox wrote:

ForceInfinity wrote:The fact of the matter is that Journey's material, especially from the dirty dozen era is rather punishing on the vocals. It's punished Perry's, punished Augeri, even punishes Deen. So I can understand completely if Perry or anyone else for that matter needs to downtune the material.

Look I'm not going off on u ForceInfinity. But just this whole idea. First of all, I'm a self-admitted Perryloon. I have certainly never said Augeri sounded like Perry. I don't know 1 single self-respecting Perryloon who has ever said that. WTF. Copied Perry? Tried to sound like Perry? Yep. So does Deen. But no one sounds like Perry.

Second who can prove Journey's dirty dozen punished Perry vocally? Any of u heard him sing lately other than hoarse goofing around at the White Sox celebration w/a crap mic having a good time? Any of u heard how he sounded then. Anyone here think u could sound that good hoarse w/a bunch of players singing around u out of tune? Anyone think any singer could? Any of u ever sung as a male tenor & got paid for it & now in ur 40s or 50s? If so, bring it on.

Erm could it have been age that changed his voice a little? They said he lost his voice long b4 FTLOSM. Were u at that concert? If he lost his voice I'd sell my soul to the devil for a voice like he had at that show & I daresay alot of musicians would do the same. Holy f'ing crap. That was a voice I heard & then some. He made fun of the people who said he'd lost his voice at that show. Check out a boot or the clip on YouTube. Then he showed the "voice" he had left. FFS give it a break. I'm over this part of any Journey argument.

Ask any male tenor if they can sing the same way in their 40s as in their 20s. Anyone. Jeremey here on this board will tell u the truth about that. He's a great singer but he says it like it is. He tuned it down. He ain't hiding that.

The songs were NOT punishing to SP. As he said MANY times: his voice would actually get higher as tours would go on - he would use the LEAST effort to hit notes.

The songs were crafted for his natural voice. They weren't punishing. I've never seen where anyone in the band including Herbie has pointed to the songs being punishing.

It's more to your point: age and time.

I respect opinions , right or wrong, but one thing's for sure: the version of classic Journey songs tuned down don't rock like they do in the original form. They lose something.
I don't want to hear a classic song tuned down, I much prefer skipping it and playing something different.
Still, I don't believe Perry could hit those songs anymore since a long time, I just wanted to know if he still had it for FTLOSM tour but he didn't. So his voice changed between 1986 and 1994.
On TBF , much mature voice and all that stuff, but not the Perry I used to love in his heydays. Still a great singer but not the best singer as he was back then.
Cheers

McNeil wrote:A "down -tuned" Perry, and his ropey singing!!...Never ever knew he had lowered the keys to any songs live..my eyes have been opened!!

Hi, McNeil...

I don't know if you were here a while ago, but this is a live boot from New Brunswick, NJ.

If you listen to THIS version and compare it to the ROR track, it IS in the same key...not only that, he "flips" the melodic line, and sings the phrase "People are wonderin' why we broke apart" HIGHER than the original.

IMO, he sounds in good shape and effortless in this recording.....and this was performed in '95, not '94.

See for yourself:
http://www.mailbigfile.com/4ca1198cccbe ... tFiles.php

I don't see why anyone would be upset with any key it pleased him to sing in.
There is no right or wrong key.
I'm far from a musicologist
but did take a music theory course
Keys last I heard there were 88 of them on the piano.
So he can't sing all of them

A voice like many fine instruments
mellows over time
Gets a warm patina
Heck some may like a shiny new penny
but to me the warm burnished verdigras only time can impart
adds a depth that can't be duplicated by one stamped fresh off the press...

Heck, I like different flavors in my food.
So some want to hear it as a clone of 25 years ago
Well that's what cd's are for
but when you go out to dine
it's nice to be in the capable hands of a great chef and
allow them to work there magic
and create something to stir the tastebuds & tantalise the senses...

JMO

tragchk wrote:
If you listen to THIS version and compare it to the ROR track, it IS in the same key...not only that, he "flips" the melodic line, and sings the phrase "People are wonderin' why we broke apart" HIGHER than the original.

IMO, he sounds in good shape and effortless in this recording.....and this was performed in '95, not '94.

See for yourself:
http://www.mailbigfile.com/4ca1198cccbe ... tFiles.php

Hi tragchk,

tks for this song, great interpretation by the one and only Mr. Perry.
But even this song has been tuned down. Listen to the original and then to this one. I just did it and no way it is in the original key. But this song doesn't lose a lot like the classics did...

Cheers

Truthfully
I don't think a persons voice will change key
just will be more comfortable singing it lower down the scale.

I can't tell one key from the other
it's just a difference of a half step here and there

basically the notes are CDEFGAB
the notes repeat in octaves from very low to very high
The human singing voice is mostly in the middle 2 or 3 octaves aboce and below middle C
with a mans voice toward the lower and a womans toward the higher

tragchk wrote:

McNeil wrote:A "down -tuned" Perry, and his ropey singing!!...Never ever knew he had lowered the keys to any songs live..my eyes have been opened!!

Hi, McNeil...

I don't know if you were here a while ago, but this is a live boot from New Brunswick, NJ.

If you listen to THIS version and compare it to the ROR track, it IS in the same key...not only that, he "flips" the melodic line, and sings the phrase "People are wonderin' why we broke apart" HIGHER than the original.

IMO, he sounds in good shape and effortless in this recording.....and this was performed in '95, not '94.

See for yourself:
http://www.mailbigfile.com/4ca1198cccbe ... tFiles.php

ok trag' i will get to it...thanks!!

Shadowsong wrote:Truthfully
I don't think a persons voice will change key
just will be more comfortable singing it lower down the scale.

I can't tell one key from the other
it's just a difference of a half step here and there

basically the notes are CDEFGAB
the notes repeat in octaves from very low to very high
The human singing voice is mostly in the middle 2 or 3 octaves aboce and below middle C
with a mans voice toward the lower and a womans toward the higher

haha Shadow... if you sing it "lower down the scale" you have just "changed key"

Its not a major prob.... if its only a half step down(one fret down on the guitar) for instance...the songs sonics still sound the same.... but if it goes a whole step(2 frets down) or more...the song starts to sound "less dynamic" ..certainly in Journey songs..where the impact is created with those "soaring " vocals

Obviously Journey feel the same way, as they have never attempted to lower the keys for Augeri or JSS... despite the fact that a semi -down would help the guys a tonne!!

also...if a singer still sings his songs in the orig key, its kind of a "badge of Honour" ..it says.."look at me... I may be older, but Im still "doin it in the same key"

McCartney still sings his songs in the same key.... but frankly, sometimes his voice is "hit n miss" with stuff... he is an example of someone who would be better advised to "step down" a touch

I only wonder if Perry would have toured with Journey after TBF, if they would have tuned down all their classics like Perry did on his solo tour... I'm much inclined to think so and glad it didn't occur...