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This is from Sammy Hagar:



Jeff's the real deal. Jeff's himself…he sings like Jeff Scott Soto. He doesn't sing like somebody else and that's what they needed all along because the rest of the guys in the band are that talented – that good.
So I think it will turn out to be a good move, just too bad it happened so late…and too bad for Steve, cause Steve did a great job filling in for Steve Perry for so many years, because that's what he was doing.
Now maybe Journey can reinvent themselves.




WOW...How insulting...again, not MY words...."filling in for Steve Perry for so many years, because that's what he was doing." FUCK, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOREVER. Augeri has ALWAYS sucked...anyone who has ever thought he was a significant part of Journey is an idiot. Good riddance you lip-synching piece of shit. Thanks for putting an asterisk next to Journey's name. Good luck at The Gap.

Saint John wrote:This is from Sammy Hagar:



Jeff's the real deal. Jeff's himself…he sings like Jeff Scott Soto. He doesn't sing like somebody else and that's what they needed all along because the rest of the guys in the band are that talented – that good.
So I think it will turn out to be a good move, just too bad it happened so late…and too bad for Steve, cause Steve did a great job filling in for Steve Perry for so many years, because that's what he was doing.
Now maybe Journey can reinvent themselves.




WOW...How insulting...again, not MY words...."filling in for Steve Perry for so many years, because that's what he was doing." FUCK, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOREVER. Augeri has ALWAYS sucked...anyone who has ever thought he was a significant part of Journey is an idiot. Good riddance you lip-synching piece of shit. Thanks for putting an asterisk next to Journey's name. Good luck at The Gap.

Well DAMN, dude....I was just gonna say "Thanks for the interview, 'Drew." LOL

HOLY SHIT......I missed the most OBVIOUS part. He's actually acknowledging that the lip-synching puusy IS GONE. Sammy basically spilled the beans. It's official....form the first person OTHER than Deano...

Hagar was spelling out the obvious but it was still great to read this quote. Thanks Saint John.

Matthew wrote:Hagar was spelling out the obvious but it was still great to read this quote. Thanks Saint John.

It IS fun, isn't Matthew? Best wishes!

Saint John wrote:FUCK, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOREVER. Augeri has ALWAYS sucked...anyone who has ever thought he was a significant part of Journey is an idiot. Good riddance you lip-synching piece of shit. Thanks for putting an asterisk next to Journey's name. Good luck at The Gap.

Look SJ I usually like much of what u have to say. But this is over the line. Have u always worked a great paying respected job? If so, lucky u. Did ur Daddy help u out? Bcoz I haven't. I'm in management now but I waited tables, bussed tables, bartended. Fuck I even cleaned houses for a short time. Oh & in college I washed dishes. Very demeaning jobs & they sucked. They were hard work & the most honest money I ever earned in my life. I have a lot of education too. Yes, I went to college & got a 4yr degree. & I worked these jobs. U know I lived in Chicago & when I was there I managed a club. 1 of the bartenders there was an Asst. Mgr at the Gap & u know what, he made a boatload of money doing that job. He bartended 1-2 nites a week as he was saving to buy a house. But he had more money than all of us from the Gap & he was only an Asst. Mgr. Augeri was a MANAGER. Augeri came from a background of music & gave that up & worked an honest living & got promoted to MANAGEMENT. Obviously u don't know that means he was a very good & hard worker. I wasnt a big Augeri W/Journey fan but I admire that after being a musician for most of his 20s & early 30s, he was able to transition into a regular job & get promoted to management. The Gap is corporate & to get into management means u worked ur ass off and played by the rules, went to all the management classes & conferences & did what they said. In the corp. world, u don't get to management w/out a whole lot of hard work. I've been there, done that & I got the tee. U can insult the guy for many things based on ur opinion, u may not have liked his voice, his songwriting, whatever. But dont insult his career prior to joining Journey. That is really really really low & it makes u look like a complete ass to a lot of people. I worked my way into management & it wasn't easy. I manage a club. I guess that is also beneath ur high standards. Maybe I should be a dr. or a lawyer to impress u. But there's a place for everyone in this world. The guy who sweeps the streets or cleans the toilets at the concerts u go to is important bcoz if he didn't do it, the streets & johns would be disgusting. There are people here who are stay-at-home moms. Are they less than the rest of us? No way. They are doing more than I could do & raising kids. I just hope someone as big & wonderful as u never falls on hard times & has to take a job that doesn't quite meet ur high standards. Lots of people do & it doesn't make them less of a person. It makes them MORE, much much MORE of a person. So many people lose their big job & sit around & cry about it. They could make some money delivering pizzas but oh, that's beneath them. Augeri gave up music & took a job w/the Gap to feed his family. He got promoted to management. He had ambition & drive. He was already in his 30s by then. I may not be a huge fan of his Journey tenure, but I'll always admire him doing that. That shows he had balls. My taste in music is one thing. My ability to admire another person for their accomplishments has nothing to do w/that. U owe Augeri an apology for saying this in a public forum. Be a man & withdraw what u said about the Gap.

JourneyRox wrote:

Saint John wrote:FUCK, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOREVER. Augeri has ALWAYS sucked...anyone who has ever thought he was a significant part of Journey is an idiot. Good riddance you lip-synching piece of shit. Thanks for putting an asterisk next to Journey's name. Good luck at The Gap.

Look SJ I usually like much of what u have to say. But this is over the line. Have u always worked a great paying respected job? If so, lucky u. Did ur Daddy help u out? Bcoz I haven't. I'm in management now but I waited tables, bussed tables, bartended. Fuck I even cleaned houses for a short time. Oh & in college I washed dishes. Very demeaning jobs & they sucked. They were hard work & the most honest money I ever earned in my life. I have a lot of education too. Yes, I went to college & got a 4yr degree. & I worked these jobs. U know I lived in Chicago & when I was there I managed a club. 1 of the bartenders there was an Asst. Mgr at the Gap & u know what, he made a boatload of money doing that job. He bartended 1-2 nites a week as he was saving to buy a house. But he had more money than all of us from the Gap & he was only an Asst. Mgr. Augeri was a MANAGER. Augeri came from a background of music & gave that up & worked an honest living & got promoted to MANAGEMENT. Obviously u don't know that means he was a very good & hard worker. I wasnt a big Augeri W/Journey fan but I admire that after being a musician for most of his 20s & early 30s, he was able to transition into a regular job & get promoted to management. The Gap is corporate & to get into management means u worked ur ass off and played by the rules, went to all the management classes & conferences & did what they said. In the corp. world, u don't get to management w/out a whole lot of hard work. I've been there, done that & I got the tee. U can insult the guy for many things based on ur opinion, u may not have liked his voice, his songwriting, whatever. But dont insult his career prior to joining Journey. That is really really really low & it makes u look like a complete ass to a lot of people. I worked my way into management & it wasn't easy. I manage a club. I guess that is also beneath ur high standards. Maybe I should be a dr. or a lawyer to impress u. But there's a place for everyone in this world. The guy who sweeps the streets or cleans the toilets at the concerts u go to is important bcoz if he didn't do it, the streets & johns would be disgusting. There are people here who are stay-at-home moms. Are they less than the rest of us? No way. They are doing more than I could do & raising kids. I just hope someone as big & wonderful as u never falls on hard times & has to take a job that doesn't quite meet ur high standards. Lots of people do & it doesn't make them less of a person. It makes them MORE, much much MORE of a person. So many people lose their big job & sit around & cry about it. They could make some money delivering pizzas but oh, that's beneath them. Augeri gave up music & took a job w/the Gap to feed his family. He got promoted to management. He had ambition & drive. He was already in his 30s by then. I may not be a huge fan of his Journey tenure, but I'll always admire him doing that. That shows he had balls. My taste in music is one thing. My ability to admire another person for their accomplishments has nothing to do w/that. U owe Augeri an apology for saying this in a public forum. Be a man & withdraw what u said about the Gap.

Uhhhhh, I retract NOTHING. Where did I say anything about The Gap being an insulting job? I merely said, "Good luck at The Gap." As far as your post goes...Fuck You, don't ever try to put words in my mouth or think that I demean working people. Your assumptions were unfounded, your logic ignorant and your words rude. And I've ALWAYS liked what you've had to say....til now. Let it go....

JourneyRox wrote:

Saint John wrote:FUCK, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOREVER. Augeri has ALWAYS sucked...anyone who has ever thought he was a significant part of Journey is an idiot. Good riddance you lip-synching piece of shit. Thanks for putting an asterisk next to Journey's name. Good luck at The Gap.

Look SJ I usually like much of what u have to say. But this is over the line. Have u always worked a great paying respected job? If so, lucky u. Did ur Daddy help u out? Bcoz I haven't. I'm in management now but I waited tables, bussed tables, bartended. Fuck I even cleaned houses for a short time. Oh & in college I washed dishes. Very demeaning jobs & they sucked. They were hard work & the most honest money I ever earned in my life. I have a lot of education too. Yes, I went to college & got a 4yr degree. & I worked these jobs. U know I lived in Chicago & when I was there I managed a club. 1 of the bartenders there was an Asst. Mgr at the Gap & u know what, he made a boatload of money doing that job. He bartended 1-2 nites a week as he was saving to buy a house. But he had more money than all of us from the Gap & he was only an Asst. Mgr. Augeri was a MANAGER. Augeri came from a background of music & gave that up & worked an honest living & got promoted to MANAGEMENT. Obviously u don't know that means he was a very good & hard worker. I wasnt a big Augeri W/Journey fan but I admire that after being a musician for most of his 20s & early 30s, he was able to transition into a regular job & get promoted to management. The Gap is corporate & to get into management means u worked ur ass off and played by the rules, went to all the management classes & conferences & did what they said. In the corp. world, u don't get to management w/out a whole lot of hard work. I've been there, done that & I got the tee. U can insult the guy for many things based on ur opinion, u may not have liked his voice, his songwriting, whatever. But dont insult his career prior to joining Journey. That is really really really low & it makes u look like a complete ass to a lot of people. I worked my way into management & it wasn't easy. I manage a club. I guess that is also beneath ur high standards. Maybe I should be a dr. or a lawyer to impress u. But there's a place for everyone in this world. The guy who sweeps the streets or cleans the toilets at the concerts u go to is important bcoz if he didn't do it, the streets & johns would be disgusting. There are people here who are stay-at-home moms. Are they less than the rest of us? No way. They are doing more than I could do & raising kids. I just hope someone as big & wonderful as u never falls on hard times & has to take a job that doesn't quite meet ur high standards. Lots of people do & it doesn't make them less of a person. It makes them MORE, much much MORE of a person. So many people lose their big job & sit around & cry about it. They could make some money delivering pizzas but oh, that's beneath them. Augeri gave up music & took a job w/the Gap to feed his family. He got promoted to management. He had ambition & drive. He was already in his 30s by then. I may not be a huge fan of his Journey tenure, but I'll always admire him doing that. That shows he had balls. My taste in music is one thing. My ability to admire another person for their accomplishments has nothing to do w/that. U owe Augeri an apology for saying this in a public forum. Be a man & withdraw what u said about the Gap.

Hey JourneyRox - "Put a lot of cream in it. Make it light dude. U'll feel better. Ur points are good. Just don't blow a gasket making 'em."

Saint John wrote: Augeri has ALWAYS sucked...anyone who has ever thought he was a significant part of Journey is an idiot.

No, Augeri didn't always suck at all. He did an important job that kept this band on the road aftr Perry did not want to tour.

I do NOT want this to be an Augeri bashing forum and think he deserves a little more respect than this.

Cheers.

Saint John wrote:
As far as your post goes...Fuck You, don't ever try to put words in my mouth or think that I demean working people. Your assumptions were unfounded, your logic ignorant and your words rude. And I've ALWAYS liked what you've had to say....til now. Let it go....

CALM DOWN, OK?

BTW - there is already a thread open - "Hagar Interview"

Andrew wrote:

Saint John wrote:
As far as your post goes...Fuck You, don't ever try to put words in my mouth or think that I demean working people. Your assumptions were unfounded, your logic ignorant and your words rude. And I've ALWAYS liked what you've had to say....til now. Let it go....

CALM DOWN, OK?

Uh...no, because I'm not upset YET. I don't need to hear suppositions about what my Dad might have done and I surely don't need to be told to "be a man." I have no idea what this person's problem is. But she needs to back off.

If you are not upset yet, then you need to take measures to ensure that does not eventuate

As for the calming down - I think both of you need to.

Thanks for understanding.

Andrew wrote:If you are not upset yet, then you need to take measures to ensure that does not eventuate

As for the calming down - I think both of you need to.

Thanks for understanding.

Anything I've done to upset YOU.... I apologize for. However, you're the only one. I stand by what I said.

Andrew wrote:

Saint John wrote: Augeri has ALWAYS sucked...anyone who has ever thought he was a significant part of Journey is an idiot.

No, Augeri didn't always suck at all. He did an important job that kept this band on the road aftr Perry did not want to tour.

I do NOT want this to be an Augeri bashing forum and think he deserves a little more respect than this.

Cheers.

Yes! I totally agree on this one Andrew.

Saint John wrote: However, you're the only one. I stand by what I said.

Not arguing with your opinion at all mate - just the delivery of it ... I don't want anyone abused for supporting Steve or holding any other opinion. That's all....simple.

Carry on!

Augeri fans may not be too happy with Sammy's comments. Especially when he says “I think it will turn out to be a good move, just too bad it happened so late…”

Officially, fans are told of “illness” and “throat infection”. Yet Sammy (a well known musician who knows the band and the situation) is NOT talking in the context of Steve having an “illness” or “throat infection”. He is talking in the context of there being a change. It sounds like Steve has been let go, when he (Sammy) says; “Too bad for Steve, cause Steve did a great job filling in for Steve Perry for so many years, because that's what he was doing. Now maybe Journey can reinvent themselves.”

I don’t think Sammy spoke with malicious intent at all I think he spoke frankly and from the perceptive of being a musician who also had/has “issues” with his own legendary band. If Steve A really is so gravely ill, there is no way I could see Sammy making this comment. Sammy seems to have sympathy for Steve and likes him. It does seem strange that there have been no updates on Steve A’s condition. I think the writings on the wall.

Steve A has stated that if Steve P wanted to return, he would step aside. Fans felt Steve A was simply being gracious, but now Sammy has said something that should make fans realize that perhaps there was something more to what Steve A meant. It should be an interesting read when/if Steve A does surface and consent to being interviewed. Fans will probably have to read between the lines regarding what is said and what is not said in the context of what is being asked!

I wish Steve A well and hope he can enjoy his private life now, without issue.

JourneyRox wrote:

Saint John wrote:FUCK, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOREVER. Augeri has ALWAYS sucked...anyone who has ever thought he was a significant part of Journey is an idiot. Good riddance you lip-synching piece of shit. Thanks for putting an asterisk next to Journey's name. Good luck at The Gap.

Look SJ I usually like much of what u have to say. But this is over the line. Have u always worked a great paying respected job? If so, lucky u. Did ur Daddy help u out? Bcoz I haven't. I'm in management now but I waited tables, bussed tables, bartended. Fuck I even cleaned houses for a short time. Oh & in college I washed dishes. Very demeaning jobs & they sucked. They were hard work & the most honest money I ever earned in my life. I have a lot of education too. Yes, I went to college & got a 4yr degree. & I worked these jobs. U know I lived in Chicago & when I was there I managed a club. 1 of the bartenders there was an Asst. Mgr at the Gap & u know what, he made a boatload of money doing that job. He bartended 1-2 nites a week as he was saving to buy a house. But he had more money than all of us from the Gap & he was only an Asst. Mgr. Augeri was a MANAGER. Augeri came from a background of music & gave that up & worked an honest living & got promoted to MANAGEMENT. Obviously u don't know that means he was a very good & hard worker. I wasnt a big Augeri W/Journey fan but I admire that after being a musician for most of his 20s & early 30s, he was able to transition into a regular job & get promoted to management. The Gap is corporate & to get into management means u worked ur ass off and played by the rules, went to all the management classes & conferences & did what they said. In the corp. world, u don't get to management w/out a whole lot of hard work. I've been there, done that & I got the tee. U can insult the guy for many things based on ur opinion, u may not have liked his voice, his songwriting, whatever. But dont insult his career prior to joining Journey. That is really really really low & it makes u look like a complete ass to a lot of people. I worked my way into management & it wasn't easy. I manage a club. I guess that is also beneath ur high standards. Maybe I should be a dr. or a lawyer to impress u. But there's a place for everyone in this world. The guy who sweeps the streets or cleans the toilets at the concerts u go to is important bcoz if he didn't do it, the streets & johns would be disgusting. There are people here who are stay-at-home moms. Are they less than the rest of us? No way. They are doing more than I could do & raising kids. I just hope someone as big & wonderful as u never falls on hard times & has to take a job that doesn't quite meet ur high standards. Lots of people do & it doesn't make them less of a person. It makes them MORE, much much MORE of a person. So many people lose their big job & sit around & cry about it. They could make some money delivering pizzas but oh, that's beneath them. Augeri gave up music & took a job w/the Gap to feed his family. He got promoted to management. He had ambition & drive. He was already in his 30s by then. I may not be a huge fan of his Journey tenure, but I'll always admire him doing that. That shows he had balls. My taste in music is one thing. My ability to admire another person for their accomplishments has nothing to do w/that. U owe Augeri an apology for saying this in a public forum. Be a man & withdraw what u said about the Gap.

Yeah...right after you apologize for saying this.....


how bout this for name of album:

"aint lippin no moh"

or just "no lip"

Steve A has stated that if Steve P wanted to return, he would step aside. Fans felt Steve A was simply being gracious, but now Sammy has said something that should make fans realize that perhaps there was something more to what Steve A meant.

I don't think Sammy meant anything bad by what he was saying. He was just being honest. I think you might be onto something about that quote. That was only last year so maybe even then he knew his days were numbered. It's not good the way it's ended, but my gut feeling tells me he was for the boot regardless of whether the whole tapegate thing had occured.

Just my thoughts.

Andrew wrote:

Saint John wrote: Augeri has ALWAYS sucked...anyone who has ever thought he was a significant part of Journey is an idiot.

No, Augeri didn't always suck at all. He did an important job that kept this band on the road aftr Perry did not want to tour.

I do NOT want this to be an Augeri bashing forum and think he deserves a little more respect than this.

Hallelujah, Andrew!

JourneyRox wrote:

Saint John wrote:FUCK, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOREVER. Augeri has ALWAYS sucked...anyone who has ever thought he was a significant part of Journey is an idiot. Good riddance you lip-synching piece of shit. Thanks for putting an asterisk next to Journey's name. Good luck at The Gap.

Look SJ I usually like much of what u have to say. But this is over the line. Have u always worked a great paying respected job? If so, lucky u. Did ur Daddy help u out? Bcoz I haven't. I'm in management now but I waited tables, bussed tables, bartended. Fuck I even cleaned houses for a short time. Oh & in college I washed dishes. Very demeaning jobs & they sucked. They were hard work & the most honest money I ever earned in my life. I have a lot of education too. Yes, I went to college & got a 4yr degree. & I worked these jobs. U know I lived in Chicago & when I was there I managed a club. 1 of the bartenders there was an Asst. Mgr at the Gap & u know what, he made a boatload of money doing that job. He bartended 1-2 nites a week as he was saving to buy a house. But he had more money than all of us from the Gap & he was only an Asst. Mgr. Augeri was a MANAGER. Augeri came from a background of music & gave that up & worked an honest living & got promoted to MANAGEMENT. Obviously u don't know that means he was a very good & hard worker. I wasnt a big Augeri W/Journey fan but I admire that after being a musician for most of his 20s & early 30s, he was able to transition into a regular job & get promoted to management. The Gap is corporate & to get into management means u worked ur ass off and played by the rules, went to all the management classes & conferences & did what they said. In the corp. world, u don't get to management w/out a whole lot of hard work. I've been there, done that & I got the tee. U can insult the guy for many things based on ur opinion, u may not have liked his voice, his songwriting, whatever. But dont insult his career prior to joining Journey. That is really really really low & it makes u look like a complete ass to a lot of people. I worked my way into management & it wasn't easy. I manage a club. I guess that is also beneath ur high standards. Maybe I should be a dr. or a lawyer to impress u. But there's a place for everyone in this world. The guy who sweeps the streets or cleans the toilets at the concerts u go to is important bcoz if he didn't do it, the streets & johns would be disgusting. There are people here who are stay-at-home moms. Are they less than the rest of us? No way. They are doing more than I could do & raising kids. I just hope someone as big & wonderful as u never falls on hard times & has to take a job that doesn't quite meet ur high standards. Lots of people do & it doesn't make them less of a person. It makes them MORE, much much MORE of a person. So many people lose their big job & sit around & cry about it. They could make some money delivering pizzas but oh, that's beneath them. Augeri gave up music & took a job w/the Gap to feed his family. He got promoted to management. He had ambition & drive. He was already in his 30s by then. I may not be a huge fan of his Journey tenure, but I'll always admire him doing that. That shows he had balls. My taste in music is one thing. My ability to admire another person for their accomplishments has nothing to do w/that. U owe Augeri an apology for saying this in a public forum. Be a man & withdraw what u said about the Gap.

Bravo! Great points. Let's not forget that SP gave up on music and went to work on a chicken farm (or turkey depending on source) prior to JOURNEY calling him up to bat.

I don't hate SA over TapeGate. Whatever he did or didn't do was NOT his alone. I recall many years ago that SP was rumored to use a "special" microphone!

Whatever. Technology is what it is and how an artist chooses to use it is up to them. Should every JOURNEY album be re-mixed to remove all of the little tricks, too? Of course, not.

Unfortunately Andrew, this has been an Augeri bashing forum for months and it has been endless.

Liz22562 wrote:Unfortunately Andrew, this has been an Augeri bashing forum for months and it has been endless.

It's gone on so long I'm surprised no-one has come out with something along the lines of, "My friends were there and they said he smells." Someone actually did say that to me about a particular guitarist I like once... no names mentioned... but really, this has gone so far I'm surprised they haven't come out with something like that yet.

I think we all need to move on from this. The guys did what they thought was right... some of us like it, some don't... they can't please everyone. I know it can be funny sometimes but enough's enough.

FYRE wrote:

JourneyRox wrote:

Saint John wrote:FUCK, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOREVER. Augeri has ALWAYS sucked...anyone who has ever thought he was a significant part of Journey is an idiot. Good riddance you lip-synching piece of shit. Thanks for putting an asterisk next to Journey's name. Good luck at The Gap.

Look SJ I usually like much of what u have to say. But this is over the line. Have u always worked a great paying respected job? If so, lucky u. Did ur Daddy help u out? Bcoz I haven't. I'm in management now but I waited tables, bussed tables, bartended. Fuck I even cleaned houses for a short time. Oh & in college I washed dishes. Very demeaning jobs & they sucked. They were hard work & the most honest money I ever earned in my life. I have a lot of education too. Yes, I went to college & got a 4yr degree. & I worked these jobs. U know I lived in Chicago & when I was there I managed a club. 1 of the bartenders there was an Asst. Mgr at the Gap & u know what, he made a boatload of money doing that job. He bartended 1-2 nites a week as he was saving to buy a house. But he had more money than all of us from the Gap & he was only an Asst. Mgr. Augeri was a MANAGER. Augeri came from a background of music & gave that up & worked an honest living & got promoted to MANAGEMENT. Obviously u don't know that means he was a very good & hard worker. I wasnt a big Augeri W/Journey fan but I admire that after being a musician for most of his 20s & early 30s, he was able to transition into a regular job & get promoted to management. The Gap is corporate & to get into management means u worked ur ass off and played by the rules, went to all the management classes & conferences & did what they said. In the corp. world, u don't get to management w/out a whole lot of hard work. I've been there, done that & I got the tee. U can insult the guy for many things based on ur opinion, u may not have liked his voice, his songwriting, whatever. But dont insult his career prior to joining Journey. That is really really really low & it makes u look like a complete ass to a lot of people. I worked my way into management & it wasn't easy. I manage a club. I guess that is also beneath ur high standards. Maybe I should be a dr. or a lawyer to impress u. But there's a place for everyone in this world. The guy who sweeps the streets or cleans the toilets at the concerts u go to is important bcoz if he didn't do it, the streets & johns would be disgusting. There are people here who are stay-at-home moms. Are they less than the rest of us? No way. They are doing more than I could do & raising kids. I just hope someone as big & wonderful as u never falls on hard times & has to take a job that doesn't quite meet ur high standards. Lots of people do & it doesn't make them less of a person. It makes them MORE, much much MORE of a person. So many people lose their big job & sit around & cry about it. They could make some money delivering pizzas but oh, that's beneath them. Augeri gave up music & took a job w/the Gap to feed his family. He got promoted to management. He had ambition & drive. He was already in his 30s by then. I may not be a huge fan of his Journey tenure, but I'll always admire him doing that. That shows he had balls. My taste in music is one thing. My ability to admire another person for their accomplishments has nothing to do w/that. U owe Augeri an apology for saying this in a public forum. Be a man & withdraw what u said about the Gap.

I don't hate SA over TapeGate. Whatever he did or didn't do was NOT his alone. I recall many years ago that SP was rumored to use a "special" microphone!

Whatever. Technology is what it is and how an artist chooses to use it is up to them. Should every JOURNEY album be re-mixed to remove all of the little tricks, too? Of course, not.

Yes, it is up to them - but if the vocals aren't live then it needs to say so on the concert ticket. Otherwise it's deception. Or perhaps you don't mind about that either?

Matthew wrote:

FYRE wrote:

JourneyRox wrote:

Saint John wrote:FUCK, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOREVER. Augeri has ALWAYS sucked...anyone who has ever thought he was a significant part of Journey is an idiot. Good riddance you lip-synching piece of shit. Thanks for putting an asterisk next to Journey's name. Good luck at The Gap.

Look SJ I usually like much of what u have to say. But this is over the line. Have u always worked a great paying respected job? If so, lucky u. Did ur Daddy help u out? Bcoz I haven't. I'm in management now but I waited tables, bussed tables, bartended. Fuck I even cleaned houses for a short time. Oh & in college I washed dishes. Very demeaning jobs & they sucked. They were hard work & the most honest money I ever earned in my life. I have a lot of education too. Yes, I went to college & got a 4yr degree. & I worked these jobs. U know I lived in Chicago & when I was there I managed a club. 1 of the bartenders there was an Asst. Mgr at the Gap & u know what, he made a boatload of money doing that job. He bartended 1-2 nites a week as he was saving to buy a house. But he had more money than all of us from the Gap & he was only an Asst. Mgr. Augeri was a MANAGER. Augeri came from a background of music & gave that up & worked an honest living & got promoted to MANAGEMENT. Obviously u don't know that means he was a very good & hard worker. I wasnt a big Augeri W/Journey fan but I admire that after being a musician for most of his 20s & early 30s, he was able to transition into a regular job & get promoted to management. The Gap is corporate & to get into management means u worked ur ass off and played by the rules, went to all the management classes & conferences & did what they said. In the corp. world, u don't get to management w/out a whole lot of hard work. I've been there, done that & I got the tee. U can insult the guy for many things based on ur opinion, u may not have liked his voice, his songwriting, whatever. But dont insult his career prior to joining Journey. That is really really really low & it makes u look like a complete ass to a lot of people. I worked my way into management & it wasn't easy. I manage a club. I guess that is also beneath ur high standards. Maybe I should be a dr. or a lawyer to impress u. But there's a place for everyone in this world. The guy who sweeps the streets or cleans the toilets at the concerts u go to is important bcoz if he didn't do it, the streets & johns would be disgusting. There are people here who are stay-at-home moms. Are they less than the rest of us? No way. They are doing more than I could do & raising kids. I just hope someone as big & wonderful as u never falls on hard times & has to take a job that doesn't quite meet ur high standards. Lots of people do & it doesn't make them less of a person. It makes them MORE, much much MORE of a person. So many people lose their big job & sit around & cry about it. They could make some money delivering pizzas but oh, that's beneath them. Augeri gave up music & took a job w/the Gap to feed his family. He got promoted to management. He had ambition & drive. He was already in his 30s by then. I may not be a huge fan of his Journey tenure, but I'll always admire him doing that. That shows he had balls. My taste in music is one thing. My ability to admire another person for their accomplishments has nothing to do w/that. U owe Augeri an apology for saying this in a public forum. Be a man & withdraw what u said about the Gap.

I don't hate SA over TapeGate. Whatever he did or didn't do was NOT his alone. I recall many years ago that SP was rumored to use a "special" microphone!

Whatever. Technology is what it is and how an artist chooses to use it is up to them. Should every JOURNEY album be re-mixed to remove all of the little tricks, too? Of course, not.

Yes, it is up to them - but if the vocals aren't live then it needs to say so on the concert ticket. Otherwise it's deception.

Is there a law about that that I'm not familiar with? Honestly, I never even followed the "scandal" because - as far as I know - "live" concerts are far from "pure." There's LOTS of technology used to make instruments and vocals sound better. Sometimes pre-recorded stuff is used. Personally, I don't care.

FYRE wrote:

Matthew wrote:

FYRE wrote:

JourneyRox wrote:

Saint John wrote:FUCK, I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS FOREVER. Augeri has ALWAYS sucked...anyone who has ever thought he was a significant part of Journey is an idiot. Good riddance you lip-synching piece of shit. Thanks for putting an asterisk next to Journey's name. Good luck at The Gap.

Look SJ I usually like much of what u have to say. But this is over the line. Have u always worked a great paying respected job? If so, lucky u. Did ur Daddy help u out? Bcoz I haven't. I'm in management now but I waited tables, bussed tables, bartended. Fuck I even cleaned houses for a short time. Oh & in college I washed dishes. Very demeaning jobs & they sucked. They were hard work & the most honest money I ever earned in my life. I have a lot of education too. Yes, I went to college & got a 4yr degree. & I worked these jobs. U know I lived in Chicago & when I was there I managed a club. 1 of the bartenders there was an Asst. Mgr at the Gap & u know what, he made a boatload of money doing that job. He bartended 1-2 nites a week as he was saving to buy a house. But he had more money than all of us from the Gap & he was only an Asst. Mgr. Augeri was a MANAGER. Augeri came from a background of music & gave that up & worked an honest living & got promoted to MANAGEMENT. Obviously u don't know that means he was a very good & hard worker. I wasnt a big Augeri W/Journey fan but I admire that after being a musician for most of his 20s & early 30s, he was able to transition into a regular job & get promoted to management. The Gap is corporate & to get into management means u worked ur ass off and played by the rules, went to all the management classes & conferences & did what they said. In the corp. world, u don't get to management w/out a whole lot of hard work. I've been there, done that & I got the tee. U can insult the guy for many things based on ur opinion, u may not have liked his voice, his songwriting, whatever. But dont insult his career prior to joining Journey. That is really really really low & it makes u look like a complete ass to a lot of people. I worked my way into management & it wasn't easy. I manage a club. I guess that is also beneath ur high standards. Maybe I should be a dr. or a lawyer to impress u. But there's a place for everyone in this world. The guy who sweeps the streets or cleans the toilets at the concerts u go to is important bcoz if he didn't do it, the streets & johns would be disgusting. There are people here who are stay-at-home moms. Are they less than the rest of us? No way. They are doing more than I could do & raising kids. I just hope someone as big & wonderful as u never falls on hard times & has to take a job that doesn't quite meet ur high standards. Lots of people do & it doesn't make them less of a person. It makes them MORE, much much MORE of a person. So many people lose their big job & sit around & cry about it. They could make some money delivering pizzas but oh, that's beneath them. Augeri gave up music & took a job w/the Gap to feed his family. He got promoted to management. He had ambition & drive. He was already in his 30s by then. I may not be a huge fan of his Journey tenure, but I'll always admire him doing that. That shows he had balls. My taste in music is one thing. My ability to admire another person for their accomplishments has nothing to do w/that. U owe Augeri an apology for saying this in a public forum. Be a man & withdraw what u said about the Gap.

I don't hate SA over TapeGate. Whatever he did or didn't do was NOT his alone. I recall many years ago that SP was rumored to use a "special" microphone!

Whatever. Technology is what it is and how an artist chooses to use it is up to them. Should every JOURNEY album be re-mixed to remove all of the little tricks, too? Of course, not.

Yes, it is up to them - but if the vocals aren't live then it needs to say so on the concert ticket. Otherwise it's deception.

Is there a law about that that I'm not familiar with? Honestly, I never even followed the "scandal" because - as far as I know - "live" concerts are far from "pure." There's LOTS of technology used to make instruments and vocals sound better. Sometimes pre-recorded stuff is used. Personally, I don't care.

Do you draw any kind of line at all? Say between 'enhancement' and 'miming'? Or do you just go to concerts for the experience?

It's shit like this that makes me hate this forum sometimes.

Grow the fuck up.

See my post above.

I'm really surprised no-one has tried to say he smells or something equally as silly yet.

Andrew wrote:
No, Augeri didn't always suck at all. He did an important job that kept this band on the road aftr Perry did not want to tour.

No dude. Neal and Friga fucked up by picking him. They would have picked someone who could have done at least as good as Fraudgeri. You're wrong on this.

I do NOT want this to be an Augeri bashing forum and think he deserves a little more respect than this.

Cheers.

I think it is what it is.

Big J wrote:It's shit like this that makes me hate this forum sometimes.

Grow the fuck up.

I'm with you, Big J. I have been skipping over a lot of posts and threads lately.