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Considering i new of the tape gate before i had evan heard of Deano's blog is it not likely that Perry was aware?
I heard him refer to Augeri as fishbait or something in an interview? A lot of people on BT were very upset about this i remember reading. Now Perry has made it clear what he thought of Journey getting a new singer,though i was happy they carried on,at least i got a chance to see them!
Is it not possible that when he found out that his opinion of the band dropped evan lower and he was worried of what was done to the name?
Lets be honest we have seen and heard more of him in the last 2-3 years than since he left after Trial By Fire,and he seems to be wanting to remind everyone of the classic years of his time with Journey dvd's, remasters, odd singing spots with other artists.Maybe he wants the band to be remembered for this not the use of tapes. Lets be honset can you imagine what he will say if asked about the tape scandel.......'Dont Crack The Stone' ?
Your thoughts?

This may seem totally irrelevant, but JSS and Perry had a very cordial (if fleeting) interaction in the past.
I wonder if JSS will try to reach out to Perry and extend a metaphorical olive branch now.

Anyways, regarding the opporobrious tape scandal, I don't know what Perry would think.
I have a hunch what Neal might've been thinking....

Remember, for years now, Neal has been proudly saying "we are not a pro-tools band!".
That's EXACTLY what his band had been transmogrified into for the past tours.
I assume this was his worst nightmare come to life.

No wonder he wanted to abandon ship and ride off into the sunset with SS.
Who the fuck could blame him?

The_Noble_Cause wrote:This may seem totally irrelevant, but JSS and Perry had a very cordial (if fleeting) interaction in the past.
I wonder if JSS will try to reach out to Perry and extend a metaphorical olive branch now.

Anyways, regarding the opporobrious tape scandal, I don't know what Perry would think.
I have a hunch what Neal might've been thinking....

Remember, for years now, Neal has been proudly saying "we are not a pro-tools band!".
That's EXACTLY what his band had been transmogrified into for the past tours.
I assume this was his worst nightmare come to life.

No wonder he wanted to abandon ship and ride off into the sunset with SS.
Who the fuck could blame him?

Excellent points. I'd be very surprised if they didn't switch management when this tour ended. Neal is all about being live. I have a feeling he's going to assume a more active role in the decision making. The "tightness" everyone has been talking about at the concerts lately is not altogether true. Their click tracks and computer enhancements and voice modulators/pre-recorded tracks have just made it seem that way. That 81 Escape DVD showed me exactly when they were "tightest" and it would take a lot to change my mind. They were simply awesome.

Did u read my mind Bionic? I was just thinking the exact same thing. Based on something someone said to me I just realized Perry probably knew long before any of us. I know he said he has never listened to the "new" Journey but u know someone would have slipped him the news. From what I heard it was a buzz in the music biz long b4 it got out to the public.

I haven't read that fishbait interview. Do u remember where that is online (if it is)?

What came to my mind as I read what u wrote tho was how angry Perry was after the WOF thing. He made double sure to distance himself from the band after that & made it very very clear that he would never be back w/them & didn't even want anyone to ever think that. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but now we know about Tapegate u just have to wonder if that was part of it. For a guy like him who always always always gave it his all live nite after gruelling nite hitting incredible notes he must of been embarassed for his former band to have to resort to such a ripoff. Damn.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Remember, for years now, Neal has been proudly saying "we are not a pro-tools band!".
That's EXACTLY what his band had been transmogrified into for the past tours.
I assume this was his worst nightmare come to life.

Then shouldn't he have forbidden the tapes and instead just gotten rid of Augeri without making the whole band go to shit? He's not innocent, he knew about tapes and he allowed them. It's his own fault if the band is now his worst nightmare.

I don't think Perry really cares, as long as he can continue to fund his pension thru royalties, reissues and DVDs of Journey's past catalog....

bionic wrote:I heard him refer to Augeri as fishbait or something in an interview?

I think he referred to Augeri as "jailbait" who "looked mighty cute in them tight jeans."

jrnyjetster wrote:I don't think Perry really cares, as long as he can continue to fund his pension thru royalties, reissues and DVDs of Journey's past catalog....

Taking into consideration that some people dont know Perry is not in the band! It could look like it was him lipping,so i think he would mind. Imagine if you put a buisness together and left only to find it was having illegal dealings,you might still care and be upset it has come to this,something you had built up.Perry may have the same feeling regarding Journey,he did not want them to continue, evan if them touring helps him financially in some way.So by all accounts he wanted the band put to rest,not exactly a good way to keep the name alive if you want to make money.
Plus Perry seems finacially o.k he does not need to tour endlessly like Neal and the gang to pay the bills.

JourneyRox wrote:Did u read my mind Bionic? I was just thinking the exact same thing. Based on something someone said to me I just realized Perry probably knew long before any of us. I know he said he has never listened to the "new" Journey but u know someone would have slipped him the news. From what I heard it was a buzz in the music biz long b4 it got out to the public.

I haven't read that fishbait interview. Do u remember where that is online (if it is)?

What came to my mind as I read what u wrote tho was how angry Perry was after the WOF thing. He made double sure to distance himself from the band after that & made it very very clear that he would never be back w/them & didn't even want anyone to ever think that. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but now we know about Tapegate u just have to wonder if that was part of it. For a guy like him who always always always gave it his all live nite after gruelling nite hitting incredible notes he must of been embarassed for his former band to have to resort to such a ripoff. Damn.

For him to let them continue with out him then find them doing this is insult to injury,i attended a cd fair today and had my Escape replica tour jersey on and a guy on a stall said hello you like Journey.Yes i said and the first thing he said was did you see them and did you know they used tapes!!! He said that they were one of the best bands ever and wished Perry would reunite with them and make people forget this miming crap. So this has brought shame to a once great band,not a good way to remember them

Saint John wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:This may seem totally irrelevant, but JSS and Perry had a very cordial (if fleeting) interaction in the past.
I wonder if JSS will try to reach out to Perry and extend a metaphorical olive branch now.

Anyways, regarding the opporobrious tape scandal, I don't know what Perry would think.
I have a hunch what Neal might've been thinking....

Remember, for years now, Neal has been proudly saying "we are not a pro-tools band!".
That's EXACTLY what his band had been transmogrified into for the past tours.
I assume this was his worst nightmare come to life.

No wonder he wanted to abandon ship and ride off into the sunset with SS.
Who the fuck could blame him?

Excellent points. I'd be very surprised if they didn't switch management when this tour ended. Neal is all about being live. I have a feeling he's going to assume a more active role in the decision making. The "tightness" everyone has been talking about at the concerts lately is not altogether true. Their click tracks and computer enhancements and voice modulators/pre-recorded tracks have just made it seem that way. That 81 Escape DVD showed me exactly when they were "tightest" and it would take a lot to change my mind. They were simply awesome.

That is true so why can they no longer be that way??Whats the problem?

i read this interview. i don't believe sp was calling augeri fish bait. he was referring to himself... that he should either fish or cut bait... something like that. i don't recall him EVER saying a bad thing about steve augeri... or any member of journey. }:C)

treetopovskaya wrote:i read this interview. i don't believe sp was calling augeri fish bait. he was referring to himself... that he should either fish or cut bait... something like that. i don't recall him EVER saying a bad thing about steve augeri... or any member of journey. }:C)

right on! Steve P. has more class than to ever DIS his pals, he still loves them no matter what went on in the past. He says over and over to people how he looks at the old footage and how "beautiful" they all were together. They had to replace him I suppose if he wouldn't come to work and they did the best they could! still are! Neal is cool for not addressing the tapegate thing, let people speculate if they want, do not deny or confirm Neal and you'll be okay...

Or perhaps he was referring to Augeri as the "bait" ?? Either way, he has no reason to say anything bad against Augeri, although if you've noticed, he would never mention his name in a sentence.

Andrew posted this for you guys along time ago
http://www.melodicrock.com/interviews/s ... lafon.html






SP: “I've been thinking about the good side about this whole split up with the band that happened in May of '98; which is that I could not be kept under contract while they replaced me with a sound-alike or whatever he was... fish or cut bait. The bottom line is that the label had to let me go. So, I haven't had a record deal since May '98 and you've got to know that I signed my record deal with Columbia in '78. That was 20 years of being signed to a label. It's been a real pleasure not having contracts lurking over me... obligations and extensions until you deliver. Oh, please! It's been nice to fall back into your own life and so that's what's happened. I'm no longer in the band since May '98 and I had the surgery seven or eight months after 'that' January phone call... so, you know, I'm just living my life and I have been entertaining the idea of just getting into the studio, but it's a tough thing.”






P.S I think Steve Perry knew about the rumors along time ago, he just remained quiet

A Fire Inside wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Remember, for years now, Neal has been proudly saying "we are not a pro-tools band!".
That's EXACTLY what his band had been transmogrified into for the past tours.
I assume this was his worst nightmare come to life.

Then shouldn't he have forbidden the tapes and instead just gotten rid of Augeri without making the whole band go to shit? He's not innocent, he knew about tapes and he allowed them. It's his own fault if the band is now his worst nightmare.

Anyone who thinks Journeys managements solely at fault with tapegate is smoking something. Nothing would have happened unless Neal and the other guys signed off on it. If there are bad guys because of tapegate then the members of the band are at the top of the totem poll. Any attempt to paint Neal or any other member of Journey is laughable.

With that said I think the band was trying to make the best of a bad situation. As it turns out they made a bad decision and now must live with it. I'd be surprised if Journey was the only band that used a backing tape for their lead singer. Hell, I saw Motley Crue a few years back and wish Vince had been replaced with a tape as he only sang every fifth word. Motley DOES use backing tapes to enhance their background vocals.

Eric

treetopovskaya wrote:i read this interview. i don't believe sp was calling augeri fish bait. he was referring to himself... that he should either fish or cut bait... something like that. i don't recall him EVER saying a bad thing about steve augeri... or any member of journey. }:C)

I may have misunderstood then

Distant Voice wrote:Andrew posted this for you guys along time ago
http://www.melodicrock.com/interviews/s ... lafon.html






SP: “I've been thinking about the good side about this whole split up with the band that happened in May of '98; which is that I could not be kept under contract while they replaced me with a sound-alike or whatever he was... fish or cut bait. The bottom line is that the label had to let me go. So, I haven't had a record deal since May '98 and you've got to know that I signed my record deal with Columbia in '78. That was 20 years of being signed to a label. It's been a real pleasure not having contracts lurking over me... obligations and extensions until you deliver. Oh, please! It's been nice to fall back into your own life and so that's what's happened. I'm no longer in the band since May '98 and I had the surgery seven or eight months after 'that' January phone call... so, you know, I'm just living my life and I have been entertaining the idea of just getting into the studio, but it's a tough thing.”






P.S I think Steve Perry knew about the rumors along time ago, he just remained quiet

Thanks for that

treetopovskaya wrote:i read this interview. i don't believe sp was calling augeri fish bait. he was referring to himself... that he should either fish or cut bait... something like that. i don't recall him EVER saying a bad thing about steve augeri... or any member of journey. }:C)

If he DID say something like referring to Augeri as "fishbait," that would seem to be out of step with the Perry who generally avoids saying derogatory things...at least in public. I'm sure he has an opinion about it, but probably keeps it to himself or only shares it with those who are closest.

The "fish or cut bait" comment looks like his nicer way to say "they had to shit or get off the pot"... doesn't look like he was calling Augeri bait.

shaka wrote:Anyone who thinks Journeys managements solely at fault with tapegate is smoking something. Nothing would have happened unless Neal and the other guys signed off on it. If there are bad guys because of tapegate then the members of the band are at the top of the totem poll. Any attempt to paint Neal or any other member of Journey is laughable.

Okay, in all fairness, it really has to do with how the Journey corporation is set up. I do not know myself, but Journey is not just a group of guys who sit around, create music in a garage and then go out and play. Journey is business and because they are a corporation, they have to have articles of incorporation, including officers, etc. Each officer has a vote. If there is a tie, often management will be the tie-breaker. This is the case with Metallica and many other groups. While they might sit around and gab about something, when it comes to making decisions, they have to actually vote and things have to be recorded in their "minutes."

So, let's say for a minute that ALL the members knew that Augeri was lipping. They might discuss it and vote on what to do. At this point, who knows whether or not Augeri even had/has a full vote in ANY proceedings? So, IF there was a split down the middle with Ross, Deen (if he had a full vote), Neal and Jon, then management might come in and go "I don't know guys, I think you should continue with Augeri lipping. Who knows if Journey could handle another lead singer change? Do you want to risk it? I vote 'no.'"

Let's say that's a believable scenario and Augeri continued lipping, to the displeasure of those who voted "no." If THAT'S the case, then something like "leaking" Augeri's lipping so that someone might find out about it would be ONE way for public reaction to determine the "vote."

Just rambling...

A Fire Inside wrote:The "fish or cut bait" comment looks like his nicer way to say "they had to shit or get off the pot"... doesn't look like he was calling Augeri bait.

From what he says above, that's certainly a possibility. Doesn't seem like a slam to Augeri, although the "sound alike" comment is amusing. Even Neal admitted that he remembered Augeri because Tall Stories sounded similar to Journey's style.

bionic wrote:SP: “I've been thinking about the good side about this whole split up with the band that happened in May of '98; which is that I could not be kept under contract while they replaced me with a sound-alike or whatever he was... fish or cut bait. The bottom line is that the label had to let me go. So, I haven't had a record deal since May '98 and you've got to know that I signed my record deal with Columbia in '78. That was 20 years of being signed to a label. It's been a real pleasure not having contracts lurking over me... obligations and extensions until you deliver. Oh, please! It's been nice to fall back into your own life and so that's what's happened. I'm no longer in the band since May '98 and I had the surgery seven or eight months after 'that' January phone call... so, you know, I'm just living my life and I have been entertaining the idea of just getting into the studio, but it's a tough thing.”

Could someone refresh my memory on when this interview took place?

fred_journeyman wrote:

bionic wrote:SP: “I've been thinking about the good side about this whole split up with the band that happened in May of '98; which is that I could not be kept under contract while they replaced me with a sound-alike or whatever he was... fish or cut bait. The bottom line is that the label had to let me go. So, I haven't had a record deal since May '98 and you've got to know that I signed my record deal with Columbia in '78. That was 20 years of being signed to a label. It's been a real pleasure not having contracts lurking over me... obligations and extensions until you deliver. Oh, please! It's been nice to fall back into your own life and so that's what's happened. I'm no longer in the band since May '98 and I had the surgery seven or eight months after 'that' January phone call... so, you know, I'm just living my life and I have been entertaining the idea of just getting into the studio, but it's a tough thing.”

Could someone refresh my memory on when this interview took place?

December 2005.

shaka wrote:Any attempt to paint Neal or any other member of Journey is laughable.

How about I paint your face with a steaming hot batch of my babby batter instead?
Let me know what you think.

fred_journeyman wrote:

shaka wrote:Anyone who thinks Journeys managements solely at fault with tapegate is smoking something. Nothing would have happened unless Neal and the other guys signed off on it. If there are bad guys because of tapegate then the members of the band are at the top of the totem poll. Any attempt to paint Neal or any other member of Journey is laughable.

Okay, in all fairness, it really has to do with how the Journey corporation is set up. I do not know myself, but Journey is not just a group of guys who sit around, create music in a garage and then go out and play. Journey is business and because they are a corporation, they have to have articles of incorporation, including officers, etc. Each officer has a vote. If there is a tie, often management will be the tie-breaker. This is the case with Metallica and many other groups. While they might sit around and gab about something, when it comes to making decisions, they have to actually vote and things have to be recorded in their "minutes."

So, let's say for a minute that ALL the members knew that Augeri was lipping. They might discuss it and vote on what to do. At this point, who knows whether or not Augeri even had/has a full vote in ANY proceedings? So, IF there was a split down the middle with Ross, Deen (if he had a full vote), Neal and Jon, then management might come in and go "I don't know guys, I think you should continue with Augeri lipping. Who knows if Journey could handle another lead singer change? Do you want to risk it? I vote 'no.'"

Let's say that's a believable scenario and Augeri continued lipping, to the displeasure of those who voted "no." If THAT'S the case, then something like "leaking" Augeri's lipping so that someone might find out about it would be ONE way for public reaction to determine the "vote."

Just rambling...

As with all corporations shares aren't necessarily distributed equally. I'd wager Neal and Jonathon have the most shares.

Eric

shaka wrote:

fred_journeyman wrote:

shaka wrote:Anyone who thinks Journeys managements solely at fault with tapegate is smoking something. Nothing would have happened unless Neal and the other guys signed off on it. If there are bad guys because of tapegate then the members of the band are at the top of the totem poll. Any attempt to paint Neal or any other member of Journey is laughable.

Okay, in all fairness, it really has to do with how the Journey corporation is set up. I do not know myself, but Journey is not just a group of guys who sit around, create music in a garage and then go out and play. Journey is business and because they are a corporation, they have to have articles of incorporation, including officers, etc. Each officer has a vote. If there is a tie, often management will be the tie-breaker. This is the case with Metallica and many other groups. While they might sit around and gab about something, when it comes to making decisions, they have to actually vote and things have to be recorded in their "minutes."

So, let's say for a minute that ALL the members knew that Augeri was lipping. They might discuss it and vote on what to do. At this point, who knows whether or not Augeri even had/has a full vote in ANY proceedings? So, IF there was a split down the middle with Ross, Deen (if he had a full vote), Neal and Jon, then management might come in and go "I don't know guys, I think you should continue with Augeri lipping. Who knows if Journey could handle another lead singer change? Do you want to risk it? I vote 'no.'"

Let's say that's a believable scenario and Augeri continued lipping, to the displeasure of those who voted "no." If THAT'S the case, then something like "leaking" Augeri's lipping so that someone might find out about it would be ONE way for public reaction to determine the "vote."

Just rambling...

As with all corporations shares aren't necessarily distributed equally. I'd wager Neal and Jonathon have the most shares.

Eric

That sounds the most likely as they are the members that have been in the band longest, they should know better being in this buisness as long as they have.

shaka wrote:

A Fire Inside wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Remember, for years now, Neal has been proudly saying "we are not a pro-tools band!".
That's EXACTLY what his band had been transmogrified into for the past tours.
I assume this was his worst nightmare come to life.

Then shouldn't he have forbidden the tapes and instead just gotten rid of Augeri without making the whole band go to shit? He's not innocent, he knew about tapes and he allowed them. It's his own fault if the band is now his worst nightmare.

Anyone who thinks Journeys managements solely at fault with tapegate is smoking something. Nothing would have happened unless Neal and the other guys signed off on it. If there are bad guys because of tapegate then the members of the band are at the top of the totem poll. Any attempt to paint Neal or any other member of Journey is laughable.

With that said I think the band was trying to make the best of a bad situation. As it turns out they made a bad decision and now must live with it. I'd be surprised if Journey was the only band that used a backing tape for their lead singer. Hell, I saw Motley Crue a few years back and wish Vince had been replaced with a tape as he only sang every fifth word. Motley DOES use backing tapes to enhance their background vocals.

Eric

Belive me it seems a lot of bands have tapes for there singers WASP,HOUSE OF LORDS AND ROGER WATERS to name a few,but they all have one other thing in common...age! It seems that when you can no longer cut it live its 'not Miller' time but 'Memorex Time'!

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

shaka wrote:Any attempt to paint Neal or any other member of Journey is laughable.

How about I paint your face with a steaming hot batch of my babby batter instead?
Let me know what you think.

Sick, dude!

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