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Has JOURNEY Jumped The Shark OR are Happier Days Ahead?

PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:36 pm
by Wheels Of Fyre
I mentioned this in another thread and wanted to explore it further.

When I was a kid Happy Days was a popular TV show. It was the 70's and our parents who grew up in the 50's had become the executives of the times. They felt that the time was right to revisit their youth and the 50's so they created Happy Days (among other nostalgic works such as Grease, American Graffiti, Sha Na Na, etc). It was great fun until the show "jumped the shark." Many people agree that the episode when Fonzie jumped his motorcycle over a pool containing a giant man-eating shark was the death of the series. From this was born the phrase, "Jumped the shark." which is applied to anyone or anything that has reached its peak and has nowhere to go but down.

I disagree with this premise. I don't believe art can ever reach a peak. It seems to me that art is an expression of the human experience. Certainly, the human experience has so much on the horizon. It also has a lot in which to revel. Happy Days was nostalgic and its audience loved its salute to the 50's however people only want to visit nostalgia - they don't want to live it. As the Happy Days audience grew weary of its slideshow the writers of the show had to resort to spectacle in order to keep them. In a rather extreme effort they mangled together the blockbuster movie JAWS and a cheap Evel Knievel stunt into their show. This destroyed the nostalgia of Happy Days and reduced it to ridiculous.

JOURNEY has been touring now for almost 10 years on nothing but pure nostalgia. Some say that they've jumped the shark. I don't think they have but they're perhaps poised on the ramp and revving up the motorcycle.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:23 pm
by fred_journeyman
I think they jumped the shark a while ago. I'm not sad about it, or happy about it. It's the way it is. :D

PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:32 pm
by Rockindeano
Journey jumped the shark when they wrote Open Arms.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:55 pm
by yulog
they have jumped the shark so many times it doesnt even get aroused anymore when they splash in the water

PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:42 pm
by Voyager
Jumped the shark? Never heard that one before, and I saw lots of Happy Days reruns.

:?:

PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:46 pm
by cubby69
Ballad'deano wrote:Journey jumped the shark when they wrote Open Arms.


You got that shit right...

PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:54 pm
by Rockindeano
cubby69 wrote:
Ballad'deano wrote:Journey jumped the shark when they wrote Open Arms.


You got that shit right...


Where the Hell have you been you old bloodhound?

Old School Cubby rolling in and NOTHING has changed uh dude? Still an old school Journey fan. Love it.

PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:31 pm
by cubby69
Ballad'deano wrote:
cubby69 wrote:
Ballad'deano wrote:Journey jumped the shark when they wrote Open Arms.


You got that shit right...


Where the Hell have you been you old bloodhound?

Old School Cubby rolling in and NOTHING has changed uh dude? Still an old school Journey fan. Love it.


Hey bud, nope I'll never change when it comes to that shit.

Well you know this thing out there called real life, well, it grabbed me by the balls, dragged me around for a few months on my ass and wouldn't let go....lol....you all don't mind if I go postal, do you :lol:

I'll be around a little more, spreading that 'old school' Journey gospel, Billy Graham style 8)

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:38 am
by maverick218
Ballad'deano wrote:Journey jumped the shark when they wrote Open Arms.


You got that right!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:43 am
by The_Noble_Cause
None of the above.
They are static.
Like the Augeri-era preceeding him, JSS-Journey will continue to tour succesfully and release albums no one buys.
The one upshot is the albums will be more cohesive.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:50 am
by Carrington
The_Noble_Cause wrote:None of the above.
They are static.
Like the Augeri-era preceeding him, JSS-Journey will continue to tour succesfully and release albums no one buys.
The one upshot is the albums will be more cohesive.




Agreed..........

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:55 am
by Red13JoePa
The_Noble_Cause wrote: JSS-Journey will continue to tour succesfully and release albums no one buys.
The one upshot is the albums will be more cohesive.


Overrated, TNC. Generations is Jrny's Exile On Main Street. Sort of all over the map musically. Now Exile's the consensus choice as the Stones' masterpiece....

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:03 am
by Matthew
Journey jumped the shark in 1998...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:10 am
by The_Noble_Cause
Red13JoePa wrote:Overrated, TNC. Generations is Jrny's Exile On Main Street. Sort of all over the map musically. Now Exile's the consensus choice as the Stones' masterpiece....


Dude, I like Generations a whole lot, more than most, but it is no fucking masterpiece!

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:12 am
by Red13JoePa
Maybe not yet.... your man jeb's CR Mag did indeed tab it a "masterpiece" last summer, though.
I guess it can never be regarded TRULY as such with Escape out there...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:14 am
by captexshreve
Voyager wrote:Jumped the shark? Never heard that one before, and I saw lots of Happy Days reruns.

:?:


http://www.jumptheshark.com/
enjoy... 8)

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:19 am
by The_Noble_Cause
Red13JoePa wrote:.... your man jeb's


My man?
I don't even go to that guy's website.
You know I remain dotingly in love with that Aussie ramrod, Andrew McNiece.
C'mon now, 13.

CR Mag did indeed tab it a "masterpiece" last summer, though.
I guess it can never be regarded TRULY as such with Escape out there...


Then they are fucking retarded.
I don't know any Journey album I'd call a masterpiece.
"Frontiers" comes closest for me.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 1:52 am
by SteveForever
not the same thing exactly, but met one of the producers of this film a few months ago and it should be fun to see, everyone got on board for it-he said the biggest jerk and only jerk was Richard Dreyfuss-Spielberg called Dreyfuss to make him do it, anyway here it is: http://www.sharkisstillworking.com/

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:19 am
by Wheels Of Fyre
The_Noble_Cause wrote:None of the above.
They are static.
Like the Augeri-era preceeding him, JSS-Journey will continue to tour succesfully and release albums no one buys.
The one upshot is the albums will be more cohesive.


So they're not even racing up the ramp? Are they even on the ramp? If not then WHERE the heck are they?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:27 am
by The_Noble_Cause
FyreWyngz wrote:So they're not even racing up the ramp? Are they even on the ramp? If not then WHERE the heck are they?


80's Nostalgia Purgatory. The place all good bands go to die.

Re: Has JOURNEY Jumped The Shark OR are Happier Days Ahead?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:32 am
by Wheels Of Fyre
FyreWyngz wrote:I mentioned this in another thread and wanted to explore it further.

When I was a kid Happy Days was a popular TV show. It was the 70's and our parents who grew up in the 50's had become the executives of the times. They felt that the time was right to revisit their youth and the 50's so they created Happy Days (among other nostalgic works such as Grease, American Graffiti, Sha Na Na, etc). It was great fun until the show "jumped the shark." Many people agree that the episode when Fonzie jumped his motorcycle over a pool containing a giant man-eating shark was the death of the series. From this was born the phrase, "Jumped the shark." which is applied to anyone or anything that has reached its peak and has nowhere to go but down.


I just visited www.jumptheshark.com and they list Fonzie as jumping garbage cans. My memory is faltering on this one. I'm not sure what I remember now! I think I must be mangling JAWS, Happy Days, and EK in my own mind! Did Fonzie jump a shark or only garbage cans? I vaguely recall EK jumping over a pool of sharks. What the heck?

Anyway, the point being that Happy Days abandoned nostalgia and resulted to spectacle in order to maintain an audience. They didn't stay true to the endearing quality of the show and therefore jumped the shark.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:35 am
by Wheels Of Fyre
The_Noble_Cause wrote:
FyreWyngz wrote:So they're not even racing up the ramp? Are they even on the ramp? If not then WHERE the heck are they?


80's Nostalgia Purgatory. The place all good bands go to die.


And as I said in my Ugly Betty thread: nobody cares! Everyone's running around placing blame on band members, radio, the media, management, etc when it truly comes down to THE AUDIENCE.

JOURNEY is playing to the wrong audience. Your sig quoting SP is spot on! A change is needed: a new audience!

Re: Has JOURNEY Jumped The Shark OR are Happier Days Ahead?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:39 am
by NealIsGod
FyreWyngz wrote:
FyreWyngz wrote:I mentioned this in another thread and wanted to explore it further.

When I was a kid Happy Days was a popular TV show. It was the 70's and our parents who grew up in the 50's had become the executives of the times. They felt that the time was right to revisit their youth and the 50's so they created Happy Days (among other nostalgic works such as Grease, American Graffiti, Sha Na Na, etc). It was great fun until the show "jumped the shark." Many people agree that the episode when Fonzie jumped his motorcycle over a pool containing a giant man-eating shark was the death of the series. From this was born the phrase, "Jumped the shark." which is applied to anyone or anything that has reached its peak and has nowhere to go but down.


I just visited www.jumptheshark.com and they list Fonzie as jumping garbage cans. My memory is faltering on this one. I'm not sure what I remember now! I think I must be mangling JAWS, Happy Days, and EK in my own mind! Did Fonzie jump a shark or only garbage cans? I vaguely recall EK jumping over a pool of sharks. What the heck?

Anyway, the point being that Happy Days abandoned nostalgia and resulted to spectacle in order to maintain an audience. They didn't stay true to the endearing quality of the show and therefore jumped the shark.


Good Lord. Who can forget the episode where they went to California and Fonzie jumped a shark on water skis? It was my generation's 1958 NFL Championship Game. :lol:

Re: Has JOURNEY Jumped The Shark OR are Happier Days Ahead?

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:42 am
by Just Mindy
NealIsGod wrote:Good Lord. Who can forget the episode where they went to California and Fonzie jumped a shark on water skis? It was my generation's 1958 NFL Championship Game. :lol:


LOL I remember that very well :lol:

Nobody was cooler than the Fonz :D

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:09 am
by Voyager
Oh, I see:

Image

I still think it's a goofy phrase. Sounds UK or something.

:roll:

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:20 am
by Voyager
Hey, I found the picture that was taken on the day that Journey jumped the shark:

Image

:lol:

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:21 am
by Just Mindy
Voyager wrote:Hey, I found the picture that was taken on the day that Journey jumped the shark:

Image

:lol:


Oh crap now THAT is funny :lol:

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:29 am
by Matthew
Voyager wrote:Oh, I see:

Image

I still think it's a goofy phrase. Sounds UK or something.

:roll:



Eh? We Brits might be many things...but GOOFY ?

By the way...jumping the shark is an all American expression. :)

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:34 am
by yulog
never heard of it

PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:41 am
by Voyager
Matthew wrote:Sounds like it's from the UK? Because it's goofy?

Here are a few of them:

Misunderstood British Phrases:

Accumulator (Car battery)
Afters (Dessert )
Aggro (Deliberate troublemaking)
Air screw (Propeller)
Alsatian (German shepherd)
Aluminium Aluminum
Antenatal (Prenatal)
Argy-bargy (Heated argument)
Back of beyond (Middle of nowhere)
Bap (Hamburger bun)
Biscuit (Cookie)
Blotto (Drunk)
Bobby (Policeman)
Bollocks (Testicles)
Bum (Buttocks)
Bun in the oven (Pregnant)
Butty (Sandwich)
Cooker (Oven)

These phrases sound goofy to Americans. There are a lot more of them here:

http://members.tripod.com/~outsidetl/la ... tish1.html

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