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"New KISS music is another matter, however. Stanley says as far as he's concerned, trying to make a new album in the shadow of KISS' classic repertoire is, at the very least, a challenge.

"The fact is, [fans] may tolerate the new songs, but it's the old ones you want to hear," he notes. "I think Jimmy Page and Robert Plant found that out. THE [ROLLING] STONES certainly know it. THE WHO certainly know it. So unless you're willing to go into the studio accepting that how your album will be received will never match your expectations, I'm not sure it's worth the effort"

Well, AR, as far as new KISS music, how many times can they keep rearranging the same three chords.

AR wrote:

Well, AR, as far as new KISS music, how many times can they keep rearranging the same three chords.

Ask Angus Young.

AR wrote:I disagree with him, and hate how Kiss is only nostalgia right now. However, his comments were pretty insightful IMO and show what Journey or any other veteran band face when recording new music.

I don't think it is that people (speaking for myself anyways) don't want to hear the new stuff. I like hearing the new stuff......but in a concert setting would rather hear something I know and love. More exciting hearing the first chords to one of your favs LIVE! LOL....can't sing along and get your groove on to something you don't know yet.

Bands like Rush - who most people either love or hate - have a huge die-hard following who will accept new material much more readily than the fans Journey have been targeting...

AR wrote:IMO, a band like Journey can get away with 3 new or rare tunes in a show without losing a crowd. The best thing to do is open with a brand new song because you already have the crowd's attention and no one will do the beer break thing then.

AR , you heard of this?

http://www.bigscreenconcerts.com/index.asp


http://www.bigscreenconcerts.com/subpag ... ventID=607

AR wrote:Rush do have that latitude. I think they play whatever they feel like playing since they aren't really a singles oriented band. Put me in the "love them" catergory by the way. Awesome band, great shows.

whocares wrote:I go to a concert hoping to hear SOME new material.

Last year, with the fiasco that was, I don't remember if we heard one or two new songs in the setlist. I was pissed, then again, I had no idea at the time, what was going on then with vocals.

I'm not a happy concert goer if all I hear is the old hits and nothing else worth hearing.

I go to a concert hoping to hear SOME new material.

Last year, with the fiasco that was, I don't remember if we heard one or two new songs in the setlist. I was pissed, then again, I had no idea at the time, what was going on then with vocals.

I'm not a happy concert goer if all I hear is the old hits and nothing else worth hearing.


And this is why I don't go to nearly as many shows as I used to. Once you see a band a couple of times, chances are you'll hear pretty much the same songs the next time. And the next...and the next.

Angiekay wrote:

Yeah, Rush can do that because they never had big hit singles, their whole library is killer. They could play anything and the crowd would eat it up. This subject always fascinates me because HELLO! ALL songs are "new" at one time. If you just blow them off and don't listen to them, or they don't play them, of course they are going to get lost in the shuffle. I think some classic rock artists have some really great new music. It reminds me of the story I read once about how when Led Zeppelin used to play Stairway in concert as a "new" song, people just stood there bored or went to the bathroom. ha.

Big J wrote:Just to touch on your last statement there, no they don't have that chance with Jeff, because even Jeff is 10 years too old. And the band's rep is etched in stone...they're not all of a sudden going to get airplay on top 40 radio, A. Because they're not an R&B group, which basically IS Top 40 now, and B. Because they're Journey and their mom listened to Journey and thus Journey isn't cool, regardless of whether it's JSS, Augeri, Perry or friggin' Usher singing for them.

The Temptations will have a top 40 hit sooner than Journey with JSS, and that's because of 'A.'

Matthew wrote:It's a shame because they're probably rich enough to take a few risks. Like Robert Plant. He played only a handful of Led Zep classics on his tour this year....and most of the concert was devoted to new or recent material...and when he did do the Led Zep songs he totally reinvented the arrangements.

Did this appeal to the lowest common denominator? The casual fan? No - not one bit. But did Plant himself have a more fulfilling and creative time? Did he feel he was moving forward and not just going through the motions? Well, it certainly looked like it.

Red13JoePa wrote:Yep, Kay....Plant should do the Now And Zen and Fate Of Nations material.

whocares wrote:Carlitto, do you think that Journey could have come out the Nickleback's "Photograph" and had a hit with it? (serious type of question)

You mentioned Rolling stone coming on board, but even you have to know that's not totally true. Rolling Stone has never(?) been friendly to Journey, even if it was mostly because of Perry's voice. (not trying to bust you chops specifically, C)

What's it gonna take to get a hit song? No one here knows for sure, MAYBE with the exception of JSS. Maybe they've started writing some stuff at least to see if they are compatible to each other's style of writing (JSS/Cain). That kind of info would be nice to know from JSS himself.

I'll take some of the hits they still play, IF they'd just change them up a bit. Make it interesting to hear about, otherwise, those way over priced beers are going to be what I prefer, to hearing the same song as on the Record, over and over and over and... Hell, even Perry had the sense to change things up, whether it was because he wanted to, or needed to, on his solo tour.