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We would have no Journey at all they would have just walked off in the sunset. We would never be able to hear those timeless great songs ever. We would only be able to listen on our old LP's and tapes, and some old remastered CD's. What does everyone think these guys would've done with their lives? Would they all have been producing other groups and would they just join other bands?We have loved them for years and are lucky they are still here to give us what we want more Journey!These guys are timeless like their songs.

What if Journey had just quit back then?

We wouldn't be throwing mud pies like two year olds.
That's for damn sure.

Moon Beam wrote:What if Journey had just quit back then?

We wouldn't be throwing mud pies like two year olds.
That's for damn sure.

Well, we still might. But we'd be throwing them at other people over other bands.

Moon Beam wrote:We wouldn't be throwing mud pies like two year olds.
That's for damn sure.

Amen!

Journey essentially DID quit in 1987, or at least Steve Perry did....

Can you imagine what the topics for discussion here would be if Journey had totally quit then?
1) God, I wish the band was back together again!
2) When do you think they'll get back together again?
3) I heard Neal and Jon were talking to Perry about getting together again!
4) I heard the band is thinking of getting together again and recording!

fred_journeyman wrote:Can you imagine what the topics for discussion here would be if Journey had totally quit then?
1) God, I wish the band was back together again!
2) When do you think they'll get back together again?
3) I heard Neal and Jon were talking to Perry about getting together again!
4) I heard the band is thinking of getting together again and recording!

I remember those discussuins from theTBF days in 1995 and thats what was talked about to a tee..... People were stupid then as they are today---about how much they knew when they knew it etc... Thats when I found steve lakes site... it was awesome---kinda a forefather to Andrews site really (news and info related about Journey)---except that one was geared all to Journey...

Rick

jrnyjetster wrote:Journey essentially DID quit in 1987, or at least Steve Perry did....

Aw...fuck Steve Perry.


Did I say that? Uh oh...

Aw...fuck Steve Perry.


Did I say that? Uh oh...

Wait a minute, isn't that usually my line?

If Journey HAD quit back then? Let's see. Album sales would still be the same as they are now. Most fans would STILL be waiting for Perry to return. Their place in music history wouldn't be tarnished like it is now. Augeri would be able to leave the house. Neal would be in 6 bands...all at once. Ross would be bankrupt....again. All speculation of course.

fred_journeyman wrote:Can you imagine what the topics for discussion here would be if Journey had totally quit then?
1) God, I wish the band was back together again!
2) When do you think they'll get back together again?
3) I heard Neal and Jon were talking to Perry about getting together again!
4) I heard the band is thinking of getting together again and recording!

Hmmm...kinda sounds like the daily chatter over on the official Genesis forum for the last two years (or more), lol. Thank god THOSE guys are finally gonna do "the R thing"...

;^)

jrnyjetster wrote:Journey essentially DID quit in 1987, or at least Steve Perry did....

Do u mean I dreamed up Trial By Fire? Damn. I had this elaborate fantasy that they won a grammy & Steve Perry was singing this song called When You Love A Woman. I gotta quit doing these drugs.

JourneyRox wrote:I had this elaborate fantasy that they won a grammy for that

That WAS a fantasy, sorry! They did not win a Grammy.

saint John wrote:If Journey HAD quit back then? Let's see. Album sales would still be the same as they are now. Most fans would STILL be waiting for Perry to return. Their place in music history wouldn't be tarnished like it is now. Augeri would be able to leave the house. Neal would be in 6 bands...all at once. Ross would be bankrupt....again. All speculation of course.

Very well said!

A Fire Inside wrote:

JourneyRox wrote:I had this elaborate fantasy that they won a grammy for that

That WAS a fantasy, sorry! They did not win a Grammy.

Damn ur right. It was just a nomination. See, I told u about these drugs. Advil can be strong u know.

saint John wrote:If Journey HAD quit back then? Let's see. Album sales would still be the same as they are now. Most fans would STILL be waiting for Perry to return. Their place in music history wouldn't be tarnished like it is now. Augeri would be able to leave the house. Neal would be in 6 bands...all at once. Ross would be bankrupt....again. All speculation of course.

Sounds about right to me....

johnroxx wrote:

fred_journeyman wrote:Can you imagine what the topics for discussion here would be if Journey had totally quit then?
1) God, I wish the band was back together again!
2) When do you think they'll get back together again?
3) I heard Neal and Jon were talking to Perry about getting together again!
4) I heard the band is thinking of getting together again and recording!

Hmmm...kinda sounds like the daily chatter over on the official Genesis forum for the last two years (or more), lol. Thank god THOSE guys are finally gonna do "the R thing"...

;^)

I will second that

Some of the folk on here would have to find something better to do with their time than harp on about a guy miming to a tape of his own voice.

saint John wrote:If Journey HAD quit back then? Let's see. Album sales would still be the same as they are now. Most fans would STILL be waiting for Perry to return. Their place in music history wouldn't be tarnished like it is now. Augeri would be able to leave the house. Neal would be in 6 bands...all at once. Ross would be bankrupt....again. All speculation of course.

OOOH! You beat me to it. Agreed on all counts. Especially Neal and his 6 bands.

saint John wrote:If Journey HAD quit back then? Let's see. Album sales would still be the same as they are now. Most fans would STILL be waiting for Perry to return. Their place in music history wouldn't be tarnished like it is now. Augeri would be able to leave the house. Neal would be in 6 bands...all at once. Ross would be bankrupt....again. All speculation of course.

I doubt album sales would still be the same. The 2001 DVD was a big success and I would bet that it really helped sell the back catalogue.

conversationpc wrote:

saint John wrote:If Journey HAD quit back then? Let's see. Album sales would still be the same as they are now. Most fans would STILL be waiting for Perry to return. Their place in music history wouldn't be tarnished like it is now. Augeri would be able to leave the house. Neal would be in 6 bands...all at once. Ross would be bankrupt....again. All speculation of course.

I doubt album sales would still be the same. The 2001 DVD was a big success and I would bet that it really helped sell the back catalogue.

I agree CPC.
There are actually 2 things that I am Thankful to Augeri for:

1. Recording Arrival and Generations: Amybe not fan faves but "Some pretty good new Journey is better than no Jopurney."

2. Keeping the band in the public eye and touring alot... Yea, that was probably Augeri's demise as well but it kept the band going and the constant touring has really pushe the back-catalogue sales.

Matthew wrote:

saint John wrote:If Journey HAD quit back then? Let's see. Album sales would still be the same as they are now. Most fans would STILL be waiting for Perry to return. Their place in music history wouldn't be tarnished like it is now. Augeri would be able to leave the house. Neal would be in 6 bands...all at once. Ross would be bankrupt....again. All speculation of course.

Sounds about right to me....

Me too.

I doubt that the touring for the last 8 years has played a very large part in promoting the sales of the catalog. It was the hype for TBF and the reunion that started that ball rolling and continuing radio play helped keep it going. The use of DSB in Monster and the publicity surrounding Perry's involvement stirred some renewed interest. Then they used some of the music on some TV programs. I'm sure last year's World Series helped too. All of that reached a lot more people than the concerts did. In fact, it may be the other way around, as in renewed interest in the music promoting tickets sales for the concerts.

ohsherrie wrote:

Matthew wrote:

saint John wrote:If Journey HAD quit back then? Let's see. Album sales would still be the same as they are now. Most fans would STILL be waiting for Perry to return. Their place in music history wouldn't be tarnished like it is now. Augeri would be able to leave the house. Neal would be in 6 bands...all at once. Ross would be bankrupt....again. All speculation of course.

Sounds about right to me....

Me too.

I doubt that the touring for the last 8 years has played a very large part in promoting the sales of the catalog. It was the hype for TBF and the reunion that started that ball rolling and continuing radio play helped keep it going. The use of DSB in Monster and the publicity surrounding Perry's involvement stirred some renewed interest. Then they used some of the music on some TV programs. I'm sure last year's World Series helped too. All of that reached a lot more people than the concerts did. In fact, it may be the other way around, as in renewed interest in the music promoting tickets sales for the concerts.

CRAZY!

Touring pushes catalog sales. Not that TBF, World Series, Monster, Laguana Beach, Car commercials, etc didn't also....but this band is OUT there. People do buy CD's of bands they like in concert...or to familiarize themselves pre-concert. I was reading 40+ million in the mid 90's, and now I'm seeing 75+ million.....

Eric wrote:CRAZY!

Touring pushes catalog sales. Not that TBF, World Series, Monster, Laguana Beach, Car commercials, etc didn't also....but this band is OUT there. People do buy CD's of bands they like in concert...or to familiarize themselves pre-concert. I was reading 40+ million in the mid 90's, and now I'm seeing 75+ million.....

I'm not saying the concerts haven't helped at all, just that they weren't the driving force behind the sales. I would think though, that if the audiences only want to hear the classic songs they must already be pretty familiar with them. I think whatever catalog sales the concerts promote would be mostly because of the momentum of the enthusiam of the concert environment. It seems logical that the ones sold would only be the small portion of the audience that are casual concert goers who aren't already Journey fans.

I believe if Journey would of hung it up after Trial By Fire we would now have back the Steve Perry led Journey.

I also believe this holds true for Styx.

Without Journey Neal would of hooked up with Sammy Hagar, David Lee Roth, Angus Young or someone like that.

Maybe he and Jonathan would of formed some other supergroup ala Bad English. Tommy Shaw would of hooked back up with Ted and the Boyz. The James Young group would of had two number one hits with ' Head Up My Ass' and 'Shortsighted Thinking'.

At any rate Steve would of had his head I mean hip replaced and at some point he would have called Neal,Steve, Jonathan, Ross etc. They would of talked about how great Trial By Fire did even without a tour.

During the same time frame Dennis Deyoung would of stopped glowing and made the call to his bandmates.

Within a year after the initial call( with NO hard feelings) they all would of been back in the studio. Only this time a tour would of followed.

The greatly exagerated rumors of Steve Perry's butcherd voice would be proven untrue.

We would have 'The REAL' Journey.

The Gap would still have their salesperson of the year four years in a row working for them.

The Tailsmen would have two hit U.S. albums.

And I would be looking forward to seeing Aerosmith open up for a Steve Perry led Journey on January 7, 2007 at the San Antonio ATT Center. My seats suck but at least I got em. They sold out all three shows in 8 hours.

I am also looking forward to seeing a sold out Dennis Deyoung led Styx show at the Verizon Wireless in Selma, Tx. on January 24.

What great Christmas presents my wife got me.

All this because there were no lawsuits, no Behind The Music episodes, and no hard feelings.

Eric wrote:


CRAZY!

Touring pushes catalog sales. Not that TBF, World Series, Monster, Laguana Beach, Car commercials, etc didn't also....but this band is OUT there. People do buy CD's of bands they like in concert...or to familiarize themselves pre-concert. I was reading 40+ million in the mid 90's, and now I'm seeing 75+ million.....

You were reading US sales at 40 million in the late 90's and if you check back today, it's 41 million.

The 75 million is a worldwide figure.

If Journey would've called it quits.... then I don't know where I'd be.

conversationpc wrote:The 2001 DVD was a big success and I would bet that it really helped sell the back catalogue.

Ur right to a point, but I think the back catalog is whact actually helped sell the 2001 dvd and made it go 'gold'.

The fact that the setlist was nearly all Perry-era hits gave it cross-over appeal to hardcore Journey/Neal fans and Perryloons alike.
Even Lori aka ProPerry on this forum owns a copy.

Speaking of BACK THEN....
here's a website with a lot of old videos.....http://www.1500videos.com/

conversationpc wrote:

saint John wrote:If Journey HAD quit back then? Let's see. Album sales would still be the same as they are now. Most fans would STILL be waiting for Perry to return. Their place in music history wouldn't be tarnished like it is now. Augeri would be able to leave the house. Neal would be in 6 bands...all at once. Ross would be bankrupt....again. All speculation of course.

I doubt album sales would still be the same. The 2001 DVD was a big success and I would bet that it really helped sell the back catalogue.

The 2001 dvd has still to go platinum but the Houston concert went platinum very quickly - nothing in the Augeri era has sold well unfortunately - but part of the reason may be the changing musical climate.