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I would like to know peoples opinions about bootlegs
I have been over at BT, when i typed in the word boot the post got deleted
A lot of people overthere don't get the idea behind bootlegs
They are made by fans for fans and should be traded freely, never to be sold
I have made a lot of people happy with a show they attended.
I would like to know your opinion.
I also would like to know how Journey and their new frontman think about this
I know there are a lot of artist don't mind being filmed

peace
Dirq

Bootlegs are a no-no over there because so many were in fact being sold. No one should profit from the band's work...I agree with this. But it was a blanket ban on bootlegs.

Boots are great as long as they are shared. Metallica built it's popularity for YEARS on bootlegs of their concert trading hands. Yet they took on Napster for doing the same thing. The difference is copyright infringements and profits...

I do not like live CDs, even Captured does little for me. But I love boots and have become addicted to them. In fact, I recently found a boot of a show I was actually AT...that is the coolest!

Dirq Van wrote:I would like to know peoples opinions about bootlegs
I have been over at BT, when i typed in the word boot the post got deleted
A lot of people overthere don't get the idea behind bootlegs
They are made by fans for fans and should be traded freely, never to be sold
I have made a lot of people happy with a show they attended.
I would like to know your opinion.
I also would like to know how Journey and their new frontman think about this
I know there are a lot of artist don't mind being filmed

peace
Dirq

Personally, I love boots. As for those you know whoers if they feel so righteous about it, why not take the boots and then send a personal check to the band for each one they take? I'm mean, they could do it honestly, and be true to their conscience, if they weren't so brain dead! Just my opinion though.

Dirq, this is my opinion on boots.



I got your PM, I'll get back to you in a bit.

AR wrote:Dirq, this is my opinion on boots.



I got your PM, I'll get back to you in a bit.

Ill bring a case of beer and something to smoke

Nice room there AR. I'm going to send you a Rams helmet to replace that Ravens helmet in the top right corner. It will really improve the overall look of the room --

Nice room there AR. I'm going to send you a Rams helmet to replace that Ravens helmet in the top right corner. It will really improve the overall look of the room --

I kind of like it the way it is.

However, I have the Rams as my team in something called a "25" pool. We all got a team and if that team scores 25 points (which is an oddity) winner takes the pot. Only 1 team in the NFL has scored 25 this year so far. The winner got over a grand!!!!! Then we had to through more money in the pot.

If the Rams score 25 this week I promise I will put their helmet on the entertainment center somewhere!!!!!!

AR wrote:However, I have the Rams as my team in something called a "25" pool. We all got a team and if that team scores 25 points (which is an oddity) winner takes the pot. Only 1 team in the NFL has scored 25 this year so far. The winner got over a grand!!!!! Then we had to through more money in the pot.

That is cool, never heard of that. Do you contribute each week, or just one time? If my math skills are correct, each person only chips in $30 or so?

That is cool, never heard of that. Do you contribute each week, or just one time? If my math skills are correct, each person only chips in $30 or so?

We contribute once at the beginning of the year. When someone hits, you have to contribute again to start over.

Dirq,

I wouldn't know what Journey felt about boots, but I do know that JSS was surprised when I had him sign two of my "Eyes" boots at the Marysville Concert back in August! JSS didn't know that the boots were out there, but he did ask me to send him links for the tunes, since he hadn't heard them since the 90's.

I understand the band not wanting the stuff sold for someone else's profit but I think the trading of bootlegs does a lot to keep the fans' interest alive. Without them I'd have never heard a really live Journey concert except the Houston '81.

jrnyman28 wrote:Bootlegs are a no-no over there because so many were in fact being sold. No one should profit from the band's work...I agree with this. But it was a blanket ban on bootlegs.
Boots are great as long as they are shared. Metallica built it's popularity for YEARS on bootlegs of their concert trading hands. Yet they took on Napster for doing the same thing. The difference is copyright infringements and profits...
I do not like live CDs, even Captured does little for me. But I love boots and have become addicted to them. In fact, I recently found a boot of a show I was actually AT...that is the coolest!

I agree that no-one should profit from boots. I'm not a big fan of live CD's, but the boots that I have gotten here have been awesome. Although I was a huge fan in the '80's, I never got to go see them so it's given me the chance to hear something that I missed (and always have regretted).

ohsherrie wrote:I understand the band not wanting the stuff sold for someone else's profit but I think the trading of bootlegs does a lot to keep the fans' interest alive. Without them I'd have never heard a really live Journey concert except the Houston '81.

I got the East Troy show from '81 from Journeyrox, and in my opinion, it's better than Houston- it has several songs off of Evolution, and no Open Arms.

maverick218 wrote:

ohsherrie wrote:I understand the band not wanting the stuff sold for someone else's profit but I think the trading of bootlegs does a lot to keep the fans' interest alive. Without them I'd have never heard a really live Journey concert except the Houston '81.

I got the East Troy show from '81 from Journeyrox, and in my opinion, it's better than Houston- it has several songs off of Evolution, and no Open Arms.

I've got a couple bootleg concerts that I like the set list better on than the Houston, but none of them have the sound quality of the Houston. I really like the ROR boots better than the Escape era though because they have more of my favorite songs.

Based on what I have read on the internet, bootlegs are a form of subversive activity and can be investigated by officials. If I were going to indulge and purchase a bootleg, I would be extremely covert.

ohsherrie wrote:

maverick218 wrote:

ohsherrie wrote:I understand the band not wanting the stuff sold for someone else's profit but I think the trading of bootlegs does a lot to keep the fans' interest alive. Without them I'd have never heard a really live Journey concert except the Houston '81.

I got the East Troy show from '81 from Journeyrox, and in my opinion, it's better than Houston- it has several songs off of Evolution, and no Open Arms.

I've got a couple bootleg concerts that I like the set list better on than the Houston, but none of them have the sound quality of the Houston. I really like the ROR boots better than the Escape era though because they have more of my favorite songs.

Sherrie - I've never heard the Randy Jackson bass solo. What's it like?

Matthew wrote:

ohsherrie wrote:

maverick218 wrote:

ohsherrie wrote:I understand the band not wanting the stuff sold for someone else's profit but I think the trading of bootlegs does a lot to keep the fans' interest alive. Without them I'd have never heard a really live Journey concert except the Houston '81.

I got the East Troy show from '81 from Journeyrox, and in my opinion, it's better than Houston- it has several songs off of Evolution, and no Open Arms.

I've got a couple bootleg concerts that I like the set list better on than the Houston, but none of them have the sound quality of the Houston. I really like the ROR boots better than the Escape era though because they have more of my favorite songs.

Sherrie - I've never heard the Randy Jackson bass solo. What's it like?

I'll find it and upload it for you when I can Matt.

The "official" site is of course against them as they make nothing off of it. What they have failed to capitalize on is that their a huge demand for live concert videos of Journey, particularly the 30 year 3 hour Generations Tour which was phenomenal. They have talked of releasing live videos of various tours over the last few years and ultimately, they put out absolutely NOTHING (except the old stuff). If they fail to capitalize on this demand, that is their problem...fans will resort to bootlegs because it is better than the NOTHING that the band has put out...

So my opinion is, I am ALL for bootlegs!

ohsherrie wrote:

Matthew wrote:

ohsherrie wrote:

maverick218 wrote:

ohsherrie wrote:I understand the band not wanting the stuff sold for someone else's profit but I think the trading of bootlegs does a lot to keep the fans' interest alive. Without them I'd have never heard a really live Journey concert except the Houston '81.

I got the East Troy show from '81 from Journeyrox, and in my opinion, it's better than Houston- it has several songs off of Evolution, and no Open Arms.

I've got a couple bootleg concerts that I like the set list better on than the Houston, but none of them have the sound quality of the Houston. I really like the ROR boots better than the Escape era though because they have more of my favorite songs.

Sherrie - I've never heard the Randy Jackson bass solo. What's it like?

I'll find it and upload it for you when I can Matt.

That would be great Sherrie. I'm assuming it's brilliant....

jrnyman28 wrote:I do not like live CDs, even Captured does little for me.

WHAT??!?? That is to date one of the best live recordings for any band, and recorded performances of the songs played...

On the topic of bootlegs, I think certain bands get it (Dave Mathews Band, Greatful Dead), and support it, while others don't. I guess it comes up to how good the band is sounding (Are the vocals off, were parts flubbed) Personally, I prefer sound boards (When done right), and audience recordings that have some 'bottom end'.

journeyinto2001 wrote:The "official" site is of course against them as they make nothing off of it. What they have failed to capitalize on is that their a huge demand for live concert videos of Journey, particularly the 30 year 3 hour Generations Tour which was phenomenal.

Surely the "huge demand" would be for DVDs of the Infinty, Frontiers and Raised on Radio tours?

Matthew wrote:
Sherrie - I've never heard the Randy Jackson bass solo. What's it like?

I'll find it and upload it for you when I can Matt.[/quote]


That would be great Sherrie. I'm assuming it's brilliant....[/quote]

To be honest, I don't really know. I'm all about the vocals and the general sound of the music rather than the instrumental solos. Not that some of them haven't impressed me, they just don't leave a lasting impression.

brandonpfn wrote:

jrnyman28 wrote:I do not like live CDs, even Captured does little for me.

WHAT??!?? That is to date one of the best live recordings for any band, and recorded performances of the songs played...

Captured doesn't do much for me either. Correct me if I'm wrong but Journey rarely change the arrangements in concert...so I'd rather hear the original studio versions of the songs.

Matthew wrote:

journeyinto2001 wrote:The "official" site is of course against them as they make nothing off of it. What they have failed to capitalize on is that their a huge demand for live concert videos of Journey, particularly the 30 year 3 hour Generations Tour which was phenomenal.

Surely the "huge demand" would be for DVDs of the Infinty, Frontiers and Raised on Radio tours?

I sure wish Steve would do an ROR concert dvd for us.

ohsherrie wrote:

Matthew wrote:

journeyinto2001 wrote:The "official" site is of course against them as they make nothing off of it. What they have failed to capitalize on is that their a huge demand for live concert videos of Journey, particularly the 30 year 3 hour Generations Tour which was phenomenal.

Surely the "huge demand" would be for DVDs of the Infinty, Frontiers and Raised on Radio tours?

I sure wish Steve would do an ROR concert dvd for us.

Me too...that is by far and away the number one priority.

In some way it must be an honor for a band having many bootlegs around.
Some artists/bands are part of musical history and need to be saved

Dirq Van wrote:In some way it must be an honor for a band having many bootlegs around.
Some artists/bands are part of musical history and need to be saved

This I agree with, but if an artist leaves a corporation that he was formerly involved with and doesn't want things released and then it is released illegally, how is that fair? If one artist has the rights and say so to the music and wants to see it released formally-shouldn't they have that right protected?
If the music is released and is spread around in the form of bootlegs which eventually make it to the global markets and then distributed in a mass production, although technically challenged, it would take away the true worth of the artistry.

If the group that worked on the music as a whole wanted it released, but say..one person did not....then there are harsh feelings. If music and footage are released on too grand of a scale= then the demand is not as great. ***It can't be a cash grab, because then the integrity is questioned.

Matthew wrote:

brandonpfn wrote:

jrnyman28 wrote:I do not like live CDs, even Captured does little for me.

WHAT??!?? That is to date one of the best live recordings for any band, and recorded performances of the songs played...

Captured doesn't do much for me either. Correct me if I'm wrong but Journey rarely change the arrangements in concert...so I'd rather hear the original studio versions of the songs.

I am the opposite Matt, I absolutely love LIVE Journey (well, especially on the early stuff)......I listen to my early boots quite a bit. I like the variations in the live songs. Take LTS for example, almost every single LIVE version of that song (Perry) I have heard is better than the studio one IMO........just has a whole bigger vib LIVE. Same with Where were you and escpecially Patiently. Perry's live performance of Patiently on Midnight Special is probably one of the best vocals I have ever heard. I think for me it is because his voice seemed higher to me on the studio stuff than it did LIVE on the Infinity/Evolution/Departure era material.