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Give us a taste of what's to come with 4 or 5 new songs to hold us over till 2008? Make it available exclusively on line thru Itunes or something....see what the public reaction will be...

They'd be better off putting it on their own website, so they can recoup ALL the money. Not just a small portion of it. SHOULD they think about it? Yeah probably so. It'd allow them to have time off next year without touring and wearing out Jeff's voice. PLUS allow a new CD to come to is later. Sure, why now?

They are only playing two dozen dates next year as it is. Jeff will be fine. Jeff has a busier schedule than anyone next year. Journey and Talisman tours, and even that won't be too taxing.

I think they should put out a full blown CD, not an EP.

Personally, I would prefer the full CD, but if they put out an EP to "tide us over"... I wouldn't be displeased.

I have heard they are taking most of 2007 off due to others doing their own things.

journeywoman wrote:I have heard they are taking most of 2007 off due to others doing their own things.

Well, that can't be...Dean has been promising us Journey will be 'making waves', whatever that means...I'm sure the definition of that will change as time goes by.

Can't you just ONCE pull the stick out of your ass, Monker? Geezus!

whocares wrote:Can't you just ONCE pull the stick out of your ass, Monker? Geezus!

Negative...I'm a Monker popsicle.

Monker wrote:Well, that can't be...Dean has been promising us Journey will be 'making waves', whatever that means...I'm sure the definition of that will change as time goes by.

And folks say you have no sense of humor.

Monker wrote:

whocares wrote:Can't you just ONCE pull the stick out of your ass, Monker? Geezus!

Negative...I'm a Monker popsicle.

That's the most positive thing I've read from you in years. FINALLY we agree. Good on ya, boy.

Monker wrote:Negative...I'm a Monker popsicle.

Sorry to hijack the thread...but Monker, where can I get some real info on the history of LRB? Wikepedia (or whatever tha is) doesn't have a ton.

Thanks!

fred_journeyman wrote:

Monker wrote:Negative...I'm a Monker popsicle.

Sorry to hijack the thread...but Monker, where can I get some real info on the history of LRB? Wikepedia (or whatever tha is) doesn't have a ton.

Thanks!

http://www.birtlesshorrockgoble.com/home.html
http://www.lrb.net

Monker wrote:

fred_journeyman wrote:

Monker wrote:Negative...I'm a Monker popsicle.

Sorry to hijack the thread...but Monker, where can I get some real info on the history of LRB? Wikepedia (or whatever tha is) doesn't have a ton.

Thanks!

http://www.birtlesshorrockgoble.com/home.html
http://www.lrb.net

Thanks much!

Not opposed to it here....there was a time when Schon toyed with the idea doing eps exclusively from now on when RED13 came out....That went the way of the ohter Neal brainchildren Warfield and Dallas dvds, and the ohter idea of only releasing live dvds after the Journey 2001 dvd sold Gold.
Whatever gets us 3-4 new Journey songs without an Arrival and then Generations like 5 year average between full blown albums.

I don't think it would be a bad idea to get a sample of what's to come as long as it doesn't make the wait longer before we get a whole CD. But I also think it could be a little bit chancy for a first offering with a new songwriter/singer. With just four songs to choose from it might be harder to have something for everyone's particular listening pleasure. If it ended up not being well received that might be discouraging, whereas with a whole CD there's so much more to choose from.

It would be a great idea as it would help fans like me make up their minds, if any new material were Journey worthy and if it were any good, it would show that Journey might possibly move out of it's tribute band mode.

heardonthestreet wrote:It would be a great idea as it would help fans like me make up their minds, if any new material were Journey worthy and if it were any good, it would show that Journey might possibly move out of it's tribute band mode.

I agree. I enjoyed Red13 because it was short and sweet and great. No filler, just great songs.

The worst thing in the world is when you have an album of more than ten songs and you have to keep going, "This one doesn't do it for me *skip*....this one doesn't do it for me either *skip*"

ohsherrie wrote:...If it ended up not being well received that might be discouraging, whereas with a whole CD there's so much more to choose from.

I agree. The next release should be a full CD.

JeremyP wrote:...The worst thing in the world is when you have an album of more than ten songs and you have to keep going, "This one doesn't do it for me *skip*....this one doesn't do it for me either *skip*"

That describes "Frontiers" for me. Too many songs I just don't like, but the ones I do like, I REALLY like. Funny how Perry described ROR as being "angular," yet it was Frontiers that was the more "angular" album, in my opinion. ROR (which I like much more than Frontiers) was more Top 40, in my view.

Journey needs Mutt Lange. He "gets it," not to mention everything he touches turns platinum. He seems to able to egt the best out of his artists. Although a bit dated, I watched the movie about Def Leppard and it chronicled the influence he had on Hysteria, the album. From then, til now, he just has an ear for what "Pop culture" wants to hear. Couple that with the talent Journey has in its current lineup and you have a band that CAN be musically relevant again. Radiopaly may also bring back some of the disenfranchised fans who've been on the sidelines for quite some time. Not to mention that they can, for the first time in years, go and do a promotional blitz (TV shows like Leno, Letterman...and morning shows like "Today").

Uh uh. No.
Stick with what works.
Elson.

JSS have you ever worked w/ KevCat in the studio? From an outsider perspective I think he brings out the best in Schon/Cain.

Red13JoePa wrote:Uh uh. No.
Stick with what works.
Elson.

JSS have you ever worked w/ KevCat in the studio? From an outsider perspective I think he brings out the best in Schon/Cain.

Elson worked with Perry, Cain and Schon. He hasn't shown much since then (as far as I know). Lange is a heavyweight NOW, which would bring tremendous support from a label...something Elson can't offer.

ohsherrie wrote:...If it ended up not being well received that might be discouraging, whereas with a whole CD there's so much more to choose from.

there's also a chance that there could be too much crap. Just becasue someone puts out a whole CD doesn't mean that it's all great or even pretty good. Witness Generations. That was just all over the place.


NEW bands often start with EP's. It get's them record company notice, that in turn leads to record deals. Why can't they go about it as if they are in this position? What have they got to lose at this point? If they put out a whole CD of songs, then people will expect them to tour again for that CD, and with the schedule that Jeff has with Talisman and the Euro dates already, why push the limits anymore than they already are? I could stand to have a summer without Journey for the first time in how many years, touring. I'd rather they have MORE material when the come back around, and that they actually play some of that material, instead of the same old OLD songs we're accustomed to hearing in concert.

And yes, I've said it before, I'll say it again, I agree on Mutt Lange coming in.

saint John wrote:

Red13JoePa wrote:Uh uh. No.
Stick with what works.
Elson.

JSS have you ever worked w/ KevCat in the studio? From an outsider perspective I think he brings out the best in Schon/Cain.

Elson worked with Perry, Cain and Schon. He hasn't shown much since then (as far as I know). Lange is a heavyweight NOW, which would bring tremendous support from a label...something Elson can't offer.

If it's between getting a good hard rocking record like Generations, rated a 91 on a 100 scale by the CEO here, with Elson at the helm or a Shirley-helmed snoozefest like the majority of TBF and getting on a big label, I'll take the real rock effort that a JSS included Elson produced album will yield.

More than just me thought the collaboration with Elson on Gens yielded a better record than TBF or even Arrival (though I know Arrival got a 99 from Andrew).

saint John wrote:Journey needs Mutt Lange. He "gets it," not to mention everything he touches turns platinum. He seems to able to egt the best out of his artists. Although a bit dated, I watched the movie about Def Leppard and it chronicled the influence he had on Hysteria, the album. From then, til now, he just has an ear for what "Pop culture" wants to hear. Couple that with the talent Journey has in its current lineup and you have a band that CAN be musically relevant again. Radiopaly may also bring back some of the disenfranchised fans who've been on the sidelines for quite some time. Not to mention that they can, for the first time in years, go and do a promotional blitz (TV shows like Leno, Letterman...and morning shows like "Today").

I agree that Mutt Lange would work well with Journey. He definately gets the best out of the artists he produces and he is still highly respected within the Music Community.

Red13JoePa wrote:

saint John wrote:

Red13JoePa wrote:Uh uh. No.
Stick with what works.
Elson.

JSS have you ever worked w/ KevCat in the studio? From an outsider perspective I think he brings out the best in Schon/Cain.

Elson worked with Perry, Cain and Schon. He hasn't shown much since then (as far as I know). Lange is a heavyweight NOW, which would bring tremendous support from a label...something Elson can't offer.

If it's between getting a good hard rocking record like Generations, rated a 91 on a 100 scale by the CEO here, with Elson at the helm or a Shirley-helmed snoozefest like the majority of TBF and getting on a big label, I'll take the real rock effort that a JSS included Elson produced album will yield.

More than just me thought the collaboration with Elson on Gens yielded a better record than TBF or even Arrival (though I know Arrival got a 99 from Andrew).

My guess is that most fans that received Generations used it as a frisbee....I know I did. I liked Arrival. While a bit on the sappy side, it sounded like Journey. Generations, with that awful Ross song and the equally dreadful song by Cain, told me that they gave up on Augeri. Neal singing a 20 year old song? Deens song, "A Better Life"...the most repetitive song perhaps of all-time. Not hard to tell Schon had NO interest in the project. While all of the musicians played well, it wasn't cohesive and didn't gel. The end result was garbage. And if that's the best job Elson can do producing the final mix, his best days are long gone. That album was blasted by many sound engineers, as it relates to production quality.

PS Did you think Morelli would suck this much? PSU disappointed me a lot this year.

Views of the sound on Generations ran the gamut. Lot of others, myself included thought it sounded less muffled/muddy than Arrival. Clearer.

Did Morelli suck before or after he set a Penn State record for completions?

Red13JoePa wrote:Views of the sound on Generations ran the gamut. Lot of others, myself included thought it sounded less muffled/muddy than Arrival. Clearer.

Did Morelli suck before or after he set a Penn State record for completions?

The "ran the gamut" statement is fair. Personally, I just didn't like Generations.

As for Morelli, he's been somewhere between fair-bad. I know the O line had a lot of problems, but still. 10-8 TD- Interception ratio is terrible. So is a 53% completion average....and he DOES have good receivers. I know he had zero starts coming into this year and that's why I hope next year he displays what made him a high school phenom and heralded recruit. He needs to make better decisions too, something I hope experience will yield.

PS The completion record is partially a by-product of the change in offensive philosophy. Paterno throws a LOT more now than ever. I did predict a National Championship next year. Morelli is going to have to make great strides for that to happen. Something I sure hope he does.

Monker wrote:http://www.birtlesshorrockgoble.com/home.html

I just got this cd as a birthday gift and
I love it, thay did a fabulous job on the
classics.
I had never heard Mistress Of Mine and
it's by far my fave on there.