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Was cruising my iTunes to purchase some more downloads and read with interest the following review for Generations (hope the quality of the jpg is good enough to read):

Sounds like S.A. like is over. That is a tough one also.Almost like Mr. Perry wrote it himself.

This guy didn't do enough homework. Deen sang "Never too Late", not Augeri.

I seriously doubt that Perry wrote this - and I'm sure you're kidding. There are too many "pluses" in the review.

I like what he/she says about the band taking turns on lead singing chores.

This was dead on! Generations = Generaturd!

L~L~L wrote:This was dead on! Generations = Generaturd!

What are you talking about? That's not even close to what the author said.

conversationpc wrote:

L~L~L wrote:This was dead on! Generations = Generaturd!

What are you talking about? That's not even close to what the author said.

As Journey Albums go, THIS (GENERATURD) isn't nowhere near the GENIUS of Neal Schon/Jonathan Cain/ Steve Perry!

That is what I am talking about, that is why I said it is a turd of an album. Get off my back, I am entitled to my opinion.

I like how this moron says, "Augeri didn't get a chance to spread his wings and show what he is capable of." I almost choked on my beef jerky. Uh, dude, there is a reason he only sings 2/3rds of the CD.

L~L~L wrote:

conversationpc wrote:

L~L~L wrote:This was dead on! Generations = Generaturd!

What are you talking about? That's not even close to what the author said.

As Journey Albums go, THIS (GENERATURD) isn't nowhere near the GENIUS of Neal Schon/Jonathan Cain/ Steve Perry!

That is what I am talking about, that is why I said it is a turd of an album. Get off my back, I am entitled to my opinion.

I guess if "Generations" is "Generaturd", that must make "Trial By Fire" and "Raised on Radio" nothing more than diarrhea in comparison.

L~L~L wrote:This was dead on! Generations = Generaturd!

You know, that avatar of yours is just a bit scary...

L~L~L wrote:

conversationpc wrote:

L~L~L wrote:This was dead on! Generations = Generaturd!

What are you talking about? That's not even close to what the author said.

As Journey Albums go, THIS (GENERATURD) isn't nowhere near the GENIUS of Neal Schon/Jonathan Cain/ Steve Perry!

That is what I am talking about, that is why I said it is a turd of an album. Get off my back, I am entitled to my opinion.

Generations is certainly not their best.

Anyone who thinks that Generations is better than Raised On Radio should be shot in the face with a machine gun.

saint John wrote:Anyone who thinks that Generations is better than Raised On Radio should be shot in the face with a machine gun.

Actually, in the ratings we've been doing, I gave ROR a 6.6 in comparison to a 6.5 for "Generations", so I like them about equally. Both albums have a few great songs and the ones that aren't great are typically horrible.

Hey, NIG! Apparently, both you and I should be gunned down. Where's TNC when a decent insult is needed?

Rockin'Deano wrote:I like how this moron says, "Augeri didn't get a chance to spread his wings and show what he is capable of." I almost choked on my beef jerky. Uh, dude, there is a reason he only sings 2/3rds of the CD.

Yeah, well, at the time that review was written, no one really knew that. Some things make a lot more sense in hindsight.

Rockin'Deano wrote:I like how this moron says, "Augeri didn't get a chance to spread his wings and show what he is capable of." I almost choked on my beef jerky. Uh, dude, there is a reason he only sings 2/3rds of the CD.

I seriously doubt Augeri's vocal problems had anything to do with the fact that he only sang 2/3 of the album. That album was recorded fairly quickly and I'm sure it wouldn't have been delayed much longer had Augeri done more vocals on it.

Where on Generations did Neal quote "Who's Cryin' Now"? I know he did on TBF and Arrival, but I haven't heard it on Generations.

JeremyP wrote:Where on Generations did Neal quote "Who's Cryin' Now"? I know he did on TBF and Arrival, but I haven't heard it on Generations.

I forget which song, but on one song of ARRIVAL, he replicates part of his guitar solo he did for "Who's Cryin' Now?" I thought it sounded pretty cool, by tying the old with the new, but other people don't like it, etc. It's a personal preference.

fred_journeyman wrote:

JeremyP wrote:Where on Generations did Neal quote "Who's Cryin' Now"? I know he did on TBF and Arrival, but I haven't heard it on Generations.

I forget which song, but on one song of ARRIVAL, he replicates part of his guitar solo he did for "Who's Cryin' Now?" I thought it sounded pretty cool, by tying the old with the new, but other people don't like it, etc. It's a personal preference.

Jon did the same thing with a keyboard bridge. I think that's what it's called!!

I think it was on "Signs Of Life" from Arrival and "If He Should Break Your Heart" from TBF. He also referenced a lead guitar part from "Ask The Lonely" in "Message Of Love and a lead guitar part from "Send Her My Love" in "Beyond The Clouds" from Generations.

I guess Neal doesn't want us to forget all his great licks. Or maybe they're too good to only use once!

JeremyP wrote:I think it was on "Signs Of Life" from Arrival and "If He Should Break Your Heart" from TBF. He also referenced a lead guitar part from "Ask The Lonely" in "Message Of Love and a lead guitar part from "Send Her My Love" in "Beyond The Clouds" from Generations.

I guess Neal doesn't want us to forget all his great licks. Or maybe they're too good to only use once!

If He Should Break Your Heart could have had a similar run on the Adult Contemporary charts that When You Love A Woman did. Two great songs with great musicianship. Neal's guitar on IHSBYH is cool as hell.

fred_journeyman wrote:

L~L~L wrote:

conversationpc wrote:

L~L~L wrote:This was dead on! Generations = Generaturd!

What are you talking about? That's not even close to what the author said.

As Journey Albums go, THIS (GENERATURD) isn't nowhere near the GENIUS of Neal Schon/Jonathan Cain/ Steve Perry!

That is what I am talking about, that is why I said it is a turd of an album. Get off my back, I am entitled to my opinion.

Generations is certainly not their best.

I think it sucked with the exception of four songs.

conversationpc wrote:I seriously doubt Augeri's vocal problems had anything to do with the fact that he only sang 2/3 of the album. That album was recorded fairly quickly and I'm sure it wouldn't have been delayed much longer had Augeri done more vocals on it.

I think it had everything to do with Augeri's vocal decline.
The band had been forced to variegate the lead singer spot in concert to give Augeri a break.
So "Generations" reflected where the band was at live in that respect, but the revolving door of singers was a choice out of necessity.
"Gone Crazy" was initially written for "Arrival" and presumably, was meant to be sung by Augeri.
I see the radical alteration of the song as a vote of no confidence in their then frontman.
Why burden him with the majority of tracks when they knew he could not pull them off live or in any promotional appearance?

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

conversationpc wrote:I seriously doubt Augeri's vocal problems had anything to do with the fact that he only sang 2/3 of the album. That album was recorded fairly quickly and I'm sure it wouldn't have been delayed much longer had Augeri done more vocals on it.

I think it had everything to do with Augeri's vocal decline.
The band had been forced to variegate the lead singer spot in concert to give Augeri a break.
So "Generations" reflected where the band was at live in that respect, but the revolving door of singers was a choice out of necessity.
"Gone Crazy" was initially written for "Arrival" and presumably, was meant to be sung by Augeri.
I see the radical alteration of the song as a vote of no confidence in their then frontman.
Why burden him with the majority of tracks when they knew he could not pull them off live or in any promotional appearance?

And remember, they had to use Augeri's demo vocal on Butterfly, which was recorded at an ealier time than the album.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:I think it had everything to do with Augeri's vocal decline.
The band had been forced to variegate the lead singer spot in concert to give Augeri a break.
So "Generations" reflected where the band was at live in that respect, but the revolving door of singers was a choice out of necessity.
"Gone Crazy" was initially written for "Arrival" and presumably, was meant to be sung by Augeri.
I see the radical alteration of the song as a vote of no confidence in their then frontman.
Why burden him with the majority of tracks when they knew he could not pull them off live or in any promotional appearance?

I think there are a few things wrong with this argument, TNC. First and foremost, Journey and the word "promotion" shouldn't be used in the same sentence, as they are proven they are completely clueless when it comes to promoting themselves or their material! As for the vocals being shared out of neccessity...I don't think anyone, at this point, can't deny Augeri was experiencing some vocal problems (and this is being diplomatic). That said, I'd rather listen to Augeri at 50% than Neal, Jonathan or Ross attempting to sing!

I think one of the reasons Neal and the boys were so thrilled to be rid of Perry is that Perry would NEVER have gone along with the three stooges (vocally speaking) singing lead on anything with the name "Journey" on it. Neal and the boys felt freed from the "shackles" that were Perry, while some of us long-time Journey fans wish they would have upheld the Journey name with a competent lead vocalist!

John from Boston

p.s. In the event my opinion about "Generations" weren't clear, I think it was a VERY regrettable Journey CD and was VASTLY inferior (at least in this fan's opinion) to any of Journey's work. Also, the production (i.e. sound) quality is as bad as bad gets!

jrnyjunky wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

conversationpc wrote:I seriously doubt Augeri's vocal problems had anything to do with the fact that he only sang 2/3 of the album. That album was recorded fairly quickly and I'm sure it wouldn't have been delayed much longer had Augeri done more vocals on it.

I think it had everything to do with Augeri's vocal decline.
The band had been forced to variegate the lead singer spot in concert to give Augeri a break.
So "Generations" reflected where the band was at live in that respect, but the revolving door of singers was a choice out of necessity.
"Gone Crazy" was initially written for "Arrival" and presumably, was meant to be sung by Augeri.
I see the radical alteration of the song as a vote of no confidence in their then frontman.
Why burden him with the majority of tracks when they knew he could not pull them off live or in any promotional appearance?

And remember, they had to use Augeri's demo vocal on Butterfly, which was recorded at an ealier time than the album.

Where the hell did you 2 get either of these "facts?"
GC written for arrival and the Bfly voc being an actual early demo?

Not nec. disputing , either

Red13JoePa wrote:
GC written for arrival

Like Red 13's "I Can Breathe" and "Walking Away from the Edge", "Gone Crazy" and "Never Too Late" are both Arrival-left overs.
Look at the liner notes.
"Generations" was so half assed, do u really think the band took time off from the road to write new material with Blades and Tribble?
It was also confirmed that other Arrival left overs found their way on a Mickey Thomas solo disc, Jack Blade's solo disc and Jon Cain's previous solo disc.

I remember sounding the alarm at the time that any band that cares about its future would not be wantonly giving away their material like that.

Enigma869 wrote:First and foremost, Journey and the word "promotion" shouldn't be used in the same sentence, as they are proven they are completely clueless when it comes to promoting themselves or their material!

Last time they had an album, I recall seeing them on the CBS Morning show, an episode of Blind Date and the Vegas show was aired on DirecTV.
The band was resigned to the fact that they could not promote the "Generations" album.
Their lead singer was wanning, so they divied up the material.
If Augeri couldn't sing it, damnit, they would!

I think one of the reasons Neal and the boys were so thrilled to be rid of Perry is that Perry would NEVER have gone along with the three stooges (vocally speaking) singing lead on anything with the name "Journey" on it. Neal and the boys felt freed from the "shackles" that were Perry, while some of us long-time Journey fans wish they would have upheld the Journey name with a competent lead vocalist!

I'm not so sure about that.
"Soul Sirkus" didn't feature Neal indulgently taking turns at the mic.
I really think the idea of multiple vocalists arose out of necessity.
The band claims they took their cue after being inspired by Styx on the Main Event tour.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:I'm not so sure about that.
"Soul Sirkus" didn't feature Neal indulgently taking turns at the mic.
I really think the idea of multiple vocalists arose out of necessity.
The band claims they took their cue after being inspired by Styx on the Main Event tour.

TNC, I get what you are saying, but a studio CD can be recorded by anyone. Hell, even I could record a brilliant vocal with pro tool help...it might take 14 years, but I could do it, eventually. Augeri took 2 months to sing FITH.

Live is where the problem was. Live in concert is where the band makes money. Something had to give.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Red13JoePa wrote:
GC written for arrival

Like Red 13's "I Can Breathe" and "Walking Away from the Edge", "Gone Crazy" and "Never Too Late" are both Arrival-left overs.
Look at the liner notes.
"Generations" was so half assed, do u really think the band took time off from the road to write new material with Blades and Tribble?
It was also confirmed that other Arrival left overs found their way on a Mickey Thomas solo disc, Jack Blade's solo disc and Jon Cain's previous solo disc.

I remember sounding the alarm at the time that any band that cares about its future would not be wantonly giving away their material like that.

So in other words, it's your conclusion that GC must've been an Arrival leftover not the fact you try to pass it off as.
Not saying GC is high art, either but you don't KNOW that they didn't write it for Gens. In fact if the record's as 1/2 assed as you say, I'da thunk GC could've been whipped up right quick.

Where in what liner notes do they say "these songs are left over from previous recording sessions?"

Red13JoePa wrote:So in other words, it's your conclusion that GC must've been an Arrival leftover not the fact you try to pass it off as.
Not saying GC is high art, either but you don't KNOW that they didn't write it for Gens. In fact if the record's as 1/2 assed as you say, I'da thunk GC could've been whipped up right quick.

Where in what liner notes do they say "these songs are left over from previous recording sessions?"

I didn't say they were recorded previously. I said they were previously written.

The band has always mentioned they had a left over surplus of songs from "Arrival".
The same outside writers utilized on Arrival (Tribble, Blades) are credited on "Generations" for the tracks GC and INTL.
Judging by the way as little effort as humanly possible was put into "Generations", it's only a logical assumption then that these two tracks are "Arrival" leftovers.

I highly doubt Neal got together with Jack Blades only to produce one new track. That simply makes no sense.

Plus, the band had utilized Arrival leftovers previously with Red 13's "Walking Away from the Edge" and "I Can Breathe."