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Didn't sound as excited as the other three. Why was he so subdued here, when we've read blurbs elsewhere where he sounded geeked saying things like JSS slayed the audience, etc.....

Eric wrote:Didn't sound as excited as the other three. Why was he so subdued here, when we've read blurbs elsewhere where he sounded geeked saying things like JSS slayed the audience, etc.....

Friga and Wiggler are buds...

Eric wrote:Didn't sound as excited as the other three. Why was he so subdued here, when we've read blurbs elsewhere where he sounded geeked saying things like JSS slayed the audience, etc.....

I was hoping the tone of the interview would come thru to all. Jon is very reflective...he spoke at all times with passion and he was happy to get into his fears as things got started, but you know what - he is totaly and 100% into this as much as trhe rest of the guys. Just watch him on stage.

He is far more pumped after each show - the interview took place before dinner of the San B show. He was just in a relaxed state

Eric wrote:Didn't sound as excited as the other three. Why was he so subdued here, when we've read blurbs elsewhere where he sounded geeked saying things like JSS slayed the audience, etc.....

Let's not omit that that he also jubilantly expresses his admiration for "Butterfly" and "Believe".

Jonathan Cain is the most influential song writer to ever be in Journey.
I never truly contemplated him being replaced, but after that comment, I'm not so sure.

Lyrically and musically speaking, "Butterfly" and "Believe" are both ten mile pile ups; a baroquely contorted pyre of steel and aluminum emitting the unmistakable odor of smoldering flesh.

I think he must be a perfectionist. I noticed during the show in St Louis in July that Jon watched everything like he was afraid something wouldn't go right. There were a lot of 'looks' exchanged between Jeff and Jon. Almost like Jeff was telling him, 'it's alright, I got it'. It wasn't like that at all in Little Rock, Jon seemed more relaxed. We all know Jeff was in the groove by then.

I think Cain was right on. When Jeff first did the Journey gigs, his voice WASN'T up to scratch because he was knackered from what he was doing before. Cain was real about that rather than just "oh yeah, he's great, lots of energy, blah blah blah". I liked his interview the best actually because it was more objective.
just my opinion.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Eric wrote:Didn't sound as excited as the other three. Why was he so subdued here, when we've read blurbs elsewhere where he sounded geeked saying things like JSS slayed the audience, etc.....

Let's not omit that that he also jubilantly expresses his admiration for "Butterfly" and "Believe".

Jonathan Cain is the most influential song writer to ever be in Journey.
I never truly contemplated him being replaced, but after that comment, I'm not so sure.

Lyrically and musically speaking, "Butterfly" and "Believe" are both ten mile pile ups; a baroquely contorted pyre of steel and aluminum emitting the unmistakable odor of smoldering flesh.

I like the beginning of "Believe" actually......

Eric wrote:I like the beginning of "Believe" actually......

Then your ears must also relish the mid-section and the conclusion.
'Cuz it's the same damned keyboard part.

With some band input, it could've been a nice song.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Eric wrote:I like the beginning of "Believe" actually......

Then your ears must also relish the mid-section and the conclusion.
'Cuz it's the same damned keyboard part.

With some band input, it could've been a nice song.

No..I mean the lyrics

I thought he talked a lot & seemed enthusiastic. There have been times in interviews when he wasn't happy & he used very few words, kinda abrupt. Plus, others have mentioned how energized he was on stage with JSS.

That's one of the things I noticed when I saw the two shows with JSS. The energy was big...and most importanly with the guys. They all seemed like they were just havin fun and rockin out in their garage like teens. It was good to see them mesh together. From S.A's standpoint I had vibe that it wasn't much of a rockout than it is with JSS. More energy and fun it seems like.

Andrew wrote:

Eric wrote:Didn't sound as excited as the other three. Why was he so subdued here, when we've read blurbs elsewhere where he sounded geeked saying things like JSS slayed the audience, etc.....

I was hoping the tone of the interview would come thru to all. Jon is very reflective...he spoke at all times with passion and he was happy to get into his fears as things got started, but you know what - he is totaly and 100% into this as much as trhe rest of the guys. Just watch him on stage.

He is far more pumped after each show - the interview took place before dinner of the San B show. He was just in a relaxed state

That was one of the first things I picked up on. Remember Andrew? The rest of the guys sounded so pumped and Jon was sort of a downer after them. He came through with the props for Jeff though.

Well, I can *sort-of* see what Jon was saying ( about his worries for Jeff just being "thrown to the wolves") I saw Jeff's 4th show in West Palm Beach. And while he did an good job, it was not to near calibre of the Orlando show months later.

WPB was good- and Jeff et. al. did a stand-up job. But it was no where near the energy level I saw in Orlando. By then it was obvious that they all were having a blast! I haven't seen them all so "into it" since the 80's! ALL of them were all over the stage, acting like kids again.

JC seems like he could be a high-stress person at times, and I'm sure that the situation early on with Jeff must have seemed like a total nightmare. Considering some of the less than stellar reviews Jeff got from some of us during the early shows, I could see Cain's take on it being one of complete mortification until Jeff was able to get a handle on some of the material.

KCfla wrote:Well, I can *sort-of* see what Jon was saying ( about his worries for Jeff just being "thrown to the wolves") I saw Jeff's 4th show in West Palm Beach. And while he did an good job, it was not to near calibre of the Orlando show months later.

WPB was good- and Jeff et. al. did a stand-up job. But it was no where near the energy level I saw in Orlando. By then it was obvious that they all were having a blast! I haven't seen them all so "into it" since the 80's! ALL of them were all over the stage, acting like kids again.

I agree KC.... the Tampa show was rough too and I came in and said so.....when talking to him, Jeff did not disagree and said just hang in there and give me a chance I'm working through it.....well he sure did! The Orlando show was awesome! He has adjusted and now made the songs his own. Jon was just being honest about it to Andrew.....Jeff was honest about it too....but he didn't let criticism get him down......he was determined, and worked hard. His efforts showed as the tour progressed. Very impressive work ethic and a never say die attitude and spirit....might be what won Jon over, as well as Jeff being able to adapt to the material and sing the songs so well. He's also a great team player....makes sure he interacts with the whole band as well as the audience. When a singer can connect with the band during a show, they feed off one another. Then when they connect with the audience...they feed off that...like Perry was saying. That was the problem I had with Augeri....not his voice or his appearence...it was that lack of connecting...made it weak, imo. Perry never seemed to have a problem connecting with the audience and got his strength from that...because, as we all know, there were plenty of times there was a disconnect with the band. Hopefully Jeff will be able to maintain that connection with both...should make for some great music and shows in the future!

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Eric wrote:Didn't sound as excited as the other three. Why was he so subdued here, when we've read blurbs elsewhere where he sounded geeked saying things like JSS slayed the audience, etc.....

Let's not omit that that he also jubilantly expresses his admiration for "Butterfly" and "Believe".

Jonathan Cain is the most influential song writer to ever be in Journey.
I never truly contemplated him being replaced, but after that comment, I'm not so sure.

Lyrically and musically speaking, "Butterfly" and "Believe" are both ten mile pile ups; a baroquely contorted pyre of steel and aluminum emitting the unmistakable odor of smoldering flesh.

I personally like Butterfly. It makes me think of my daughter. One of the best songs on that album IMO. Believe I can do without. Butterfly is a Jon Cain kinda song.

jrnysc wrote:
I personally like Butterfly. It makes me think of my daughter. One of the best songs on that album IMO. Believe I can do without. Butterfly is a Jon Cain kinda song.

Before they come and stone ya, I'll stand with ya.
I like Butterfly to.
One of the few songs I heard Augeri on and enjoyed.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Eric wrote:Didn't sound as excited as the other three. Why was he so subdued here, when we've read blurbs elsewhere where he sounded geeked saying things like JSS slayed the audience, etc.....

Let's not omit that that he also jubilantly expresses his admiration for "Butterfly" and "Believe".

I guess Cain knows a little better than you, too.

And don't tell us it's feigned praise to prop up the illusion of goodwill....he could've done that in many ways without bringing these objects of your detest....

But the fact prolly is, while praps not high art, they're not as bad as you always write here.

Can someone point me to the link for the interviews? I must be overlooking them.

Red13JoePa wrote:I guess Cain knows a little better than you, too.

AND Andrew AND Jeremy AND Deano AND the rest of the free world et al.
Frankly, you love anything in the past 8 years with the Journey name emblazoned on it.
This isn't even about a vendetta against Steve Augeri.
"Tall Stories" was brilliant, "Butterfly" and "Believe" are embarassing dreck.
"Believe" is a mess. You never wait for the chorus, because the entiriety of the song IS the chorus.
This deviation from formulaic songwriting isn't an attempt at being progressive, either.
Simply incompetent.

But the fact prolly is, while praps not high art, they're not as bad as you always write here.

I don't need to fight this skirmish.
Take it up with this website's CEO.
Though he puts it in more diplomatic language than I am capable of, he thinks they both royally suck, too.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Red13JoePa wrote:I guess Cain knows a little better than you, too.

Frankly, you love anything in the past 8 years with the Journey name emblazoned on it.

But the fact prolly is, while praps not high art, they're not as bad as you always write here.

That's not speaking frankly because it's not true.
Plenty of Augeri-era stuff I'm not a huge fan of, but nothing's as bad as you hyperbolize on these 2 songs.

Not a big Tall Stories guy, either.
I like it ok, but some of it's kinda eh.

Red13JoePa wrote:Not a big Tall Stories guy, either.
I like it ok, but some of it's kinda eh.

Danny Vaughn said 'Tall Stories' is one of the best melodic albums of all time.
I bet he feels "Butterfly" and "Believe" are trash, too.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Red13JoePa wrote:Not a big Tall Stories guy, either.
I like it ok, but some of it's kinda eh.

Danny Vaughn said 'Tall Stories' is one of the best melodic albums of all time.
I bet he feels "Butterfly" and "Believe" are trash, too.

Aright. I'm all in, then.



Just one thing, though.

Who's Danny Vaughn?

Red13JoePa wrote:Aright. I'm all in, then.



Just one thing, though.

Who's Danny Vaughn?

I thought you were the self-proclaimed biggest Augeri fan on here.
Surely then, you would know the original singer of Tyketto, right?

How do you expect to have any credibility on Augeri-issues when you don't even know the elemental basics?
Stop wasting everyone's time.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Red13JoePa wrote:Aright. I'm all in, then.



Just one thing, though.

Who's Danny Vaughn?

I thought you were the self-proclaimed biggest Augeri fan on here.
Surely then, you would know the original singer of Tyketto, right?

How do you expect to have any credibility on Augeri-issues when you don't even know the elemental basics?
Stop wasting everyone's time.

I'm the biggest Augeri-with-Journey fan on here. But I'm a little out of my league in the Tyketto stuff and things like that.

Red13JoePa wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

Red13JoePa wrote:Aright. I'm all in, then.



Just one thing, though.

Who's Danny Vaughn?

I thought you were the self-proclaimed biggest Augeri fan on here.
Surely then, you would know the original singer of Tyketto, right?

How do you expect to have any credibility on Augeri-issues when you don't even know the elemental basics?
Stop wasting everyone's time.

I'm the biggest Augeri-with-Journey fan on here. But I'm a little out of my league in the Tyketto stuff and things like that.

Do yourself a favor and get Tyketto's album "Shine", the one with Augeri as the lead singer. Good stuff on that one.

Shine-loved that cd---great stuff on there

yulog wrote:Shine-loved that cd---great stuff on there

"Let it Go", "Long Cold Winter", "Radio Mary", and "Rawthigh"...All four on my favorites list.

Hey there,

How can anyone put down butterfly & believe?
Those are 2 of the better songs on generations..
There are plenty of other songs that you can stomp on instead!!!
Augeri also co wrote asome of the best songs on Arrival....
Give the guy the credit he deserves!!

roknroseville wrote:Hey there,

How can anyone put down butterfly & believe?
Those are 2 of the better songs on generations..

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