MR

I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer so I could use your help.
Let's take a look at our official announcements:

July 6, 2006 --
Due to a chronic throat infection, Journey’s lead singer, Steve Augeri, has been forced to leave the band’s current nationwide tour with Def Leppard. [His] condition will be closely monitored by his physician to determine when he may be able to rejoin the tour.

"We all wish Steve a speedy recovery.”

Fast forward to yesterday:

December 19, 2006 --
Jeff Scott Soto has been officially named the new lead singer of Journey.

Steve Augeri is CURRENTLY recording his debut solo album, IN THE MOMENT, due out the summer of 2007. He’s also putting the finishing touches on the much-anticipated follow-up to the AOR classic TALL STORIES album, launching early next year.

I read this as saying that SA is currently capable of working in the studio. Is he singing? Doesn't say. Is he capable of singing? Doesn't say. Maybe all of the tracks were laid down prior to his condition flaring up. Will he tour next Summer? Who knows. Has he recovered? It appears so but it can't be known for sure.

They way it's spelled out it leads one to believe that he's recovered and ready to fly solo and/or hit the road with Tall Stories in about 7 months.

So if he's recovered then what's the problem?[/b]

Not recovered enough to sing the Journey catalogue. Period.


TRUST ME...I'm being nice.

Escape79 wrote:Not recovered enough to sing the Journey catalogue. Period.


TRUST ME...I'm being nice.

But all of the chatter in the interviews is about a NEW chapter in the legacy - moving forward with NEW music and getting an album out ASAP - promoting the crap out of it, etc.

Seems like they're ready to move on from the old JOURNEY catalog into some new material. While I applaud this and have been BEGGING for years that they do so - it seems to me that if SA were still on board that not being recovered enough to sing the catalog would be a moot point.

FyreWyngz wrote:

Escape79 wrote:Not recovered enough to sing the Journey catalogue. Period.


TRUST ME...I'm being nice.

But all of the chatter in the interviews is about a NEW chapter in the legacy - moving forward with NEW music and getting an album out ASAP - promoting the crap out of it, etc.

Seems like they're ready to move on from the old JOURNEY catalog into some new material. While I applaud this and have been BEGGING for years that they do so - it seems to me that if SA were still on board that not being recovered enough to sing the catalog would be a moot point.

But you also have to realize that JSS has given new energy to the band, not seen SINCE Perry days. I LOVED the fact that they were on th road with SA, but after this past year.....
I honestly don't think that even IF SA had the chops to pull it off....the next LP,CD, 8track(haha) would do ANYTHING. With JSS I think it could entice people to give Journey another chance, With SA it seemed like a "run-over"

FyreWyngz wrote: Steve Augeri is CURRENTLY recording his debut solo album, IN THE MOMENT, due out the summer of 2007. He’s also putting the finishing touches on the much-anticipated follow-up to the AOR classic TALL STORIES album, launching early next year.

I read this as saying that SA is currently capable of working in the studio. Is he singing? Doesn't say. Is he capable of singing? Doesn't say. Maybe all of the tracks were laid down prior to his condition flaring up. Will he tour next Summer? Who knows. Has he recovered? It appears so but it can't be known for sure.

They way it's spelled out it leads one to believe that he's recovered and ready to fly solo and/or hit the road with Tall Stories in about 7 months.

So if he's recovered then what's the problem?[/b]

Fyre, ur right. U are NOT the sharpest knife. I am, so let me help u w/this

It doesn't say anywhere SA is going to tour. There is NOT one mention of that. It says he is recording an album & finessing TS2.

1. TS2 was recorded a LONG time ago (over a decade).

2. Altho it says that he is recording his debut album, it doesn't say he's actually singing it now. Recording is kind of a generic term. For all we know, these could be tracks he layed down when he was still healthy, before Generations, for example. There were some other songs he had written for Gens that did not make it on the album, for example. Maybe he will use some of those.

3. It took him a very very long time to finish some of the tracks on Gens. For example, FITH took over a couple of months.

4. Have u ever been in a recording studio to record anything? I have, so let me try to give u an analogy. It's kinda like how they shoot a movie in a way. U know how they have the clipboard & do takes & the director watches them to see how they look, then if he/she doesn't like them, they do them over? Well it is a lot like that. As u lay down bits & pieces, if u don't like the way they sound, u go ahead & redo them. Then, they all get mixed together to sound like one smooth track.

5. Let's go back to a boot that we have of one of Augeri's last performances on June 24 2006 in Jones Beach (do u have that one?), u can listen to his singing voice there.

Here's Stone In Love: http://download.yousendit.com/D80E514B7BE9AE61

He was still able to sing a few notes w/in one octave. As Jon Cain explained in his interview, SA has a vocal paralysis. This means that one of his vocal cords which was once flexible is no longer flexible & has trouble expanding & closing. He may have gotten this condition from his years of using a steroid inhaler for his asthma. Anyway, he can still sing some of the notes, but when his vocal cords are supposed to move for different notes w/in that octave or to allow him to reach into another octave, at least one of the cords is not doing so. In a studio situation, where he could practice this over & over, he will probably be able to get to at least some of those notes over time, & those he can't get to can be massaged w/special software.

6. Let's read about the condition Jon Cain, his friend, says he has:
http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WS ... 10976.html
"In some cases, the voice returns on its own within a year. If not, the condition is likely to be permanent."
SA has had this condition for more than a yr now. That means it is likely to be permanent. Therefore, he is not, as u speculate "recovered". However, that doesn't mean that he can't do some limited studio work if it's only paralysis on one side of his cords.

Got it now? I tried to keep it simple. If u don't understand any of it, just holler.

He might record an album but if I were Augeri I wouldn't THINK of doing concerts yet.... not until surgery or something that fixes what's busted.

How bad of shape was he in that after a week or 2 of shows w/ out taped assistance the voice totally blew out?


I just don't forsee him being able to do concerts in 2007 barring a miracle recovery.

That said, i will be grabbing the solo record upon release.

JourneyRox wrote:

FyreWyngz wrote: Steve Augeri is CURRENTLY recording his debut solo album, IN THE MOMENT, due out the summer of 2007. He’s also putting the finishing touches on the much-anticipated follow-up to the AOR classic TALL STORIES album, launching early next year.

I read this as saying that SA is currently capable of working in the studio. Is he singing? Doesn't say. Is he capable of singing? Doesn't say. Maybe all of the tracks were laid down prior to his condition flaring up. Will he tour next Summer? Who knows. Has he recovered? It appears so but it can't be known for sure.

They way it's spelled out it leads one to believe that he's recovered and ready to fly solo and/or hit the road with Tall Stories in about 7 months.

So if he's recovered then what's the problem?[/b]

Fyre, ur right. U are NOT the sharpest knife. I am, so let me help u w/this

It doesn't say anywhere SA is going to tour. There is NOT one mention of that. It says he is recording an album & finessing TS2.

1. TS2 was recorded a LONG time ago (over a decade).

2. Altho it says that he is recording his debut album, it doesn't say he's actually singing it now. Recording is kind of a generic term. For all we know, these could be tracks he layed down when he was still healthy, before Generations, for example. There were some other songs he had written for Gens that did not make it on the album, for example. Maybe he will use some of those.

3. It took him a very very long time to finish some of the tracks on Gens. For example, FITH took over a couple of months.

4. Have u ever been in a recording studio to record anything? I have, so let me try to give u an analogy. It's kinda like how they shoot a movie in a way. U know how they have the clipboard & do takes & the director watches them to see how they look, then if he/she doesn't like them, they do them over? Well it is a lot like that. As u lay down bits & pieces, if u don't like the way they sound, u go ahead & redo them. Then, they all get mixed together to sound like one smooth track.

5. Let's go back to a boot that we have of one of Augeri's last performances on June 24 2006 in Jones Beach (do u have that one?), u can listen to his singing voice there.

Here's Stone In Love: http://download.yousendit.com/D80E514B7BE9AE61

He was still able to sing a few notes w/in one octave. As Jon Cain explained in his interview, SA has a vocal paralysis. This means that one of his vocal cords which was once flexible is no longer flexible & has trouble expanding & closing. He may have gotten this condition from his years of using a steroid inhaler for his asthma. Anyway, he can still sing some of the notes, but when his vocal cords are supposed to move for different notes w/in that octave or to allow him to reach into another octave, at least one of the cords is not doing so. In a studio situation, where he could practice this over & over, he will probably be able to get to at least some of those notes over time, & those he can't get to can be massaged w/special software.

6. Let's read about the condition Jon Cain, his friend, says he has:
http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WS ... 10976.html
"In some cases, the voice returns on its own within a year. If not, the condition is likely to be permanent."
SA has had this condition for more than a yr now. That means it is likely to be permanent. Therefore, he is not, as u speculate "recovered". However, that doesn't mean that he can't do some limited studio work if it's only paralysis on one side of his cords.

Got it now? I tried to keep it simple. If u don't understand any of it, just holler.

What would we do without u around to keep us infromed? Us "layman" really appreciate all the intelligent info u provide us with...especially for all the "know-it-alls" around here.

FyreWyngz wrote:...So if he's recovered then what's the problem?[/b]

Probably doesn't have the voice anymore for Perry tunes. Simple as that. I'm glad for him though that he's moving on with his own projects.

fred_journeyman wrote:

FyreWyngz wrote:...So if he's recovered then what's the problem?[/b]

Probably doesn't have the voice anymore for Perry tunes. Simple as that. I'm glad for him though that he's moving on with his own projects.

Yep,
I hear that there may be come 'cover' songs on his new cd, not only from Journey, but different bands from 70's and 80's. One of the songs that comes to mind is ,um , " Girl you know its true".. or somethin like that. forgive me, my memory is lettin me down.

JourneyRox, you cracked me up with that first line ...and, ditto on what Carol said.

silverblue wrote:JourneyRox, you cracked me up with that first line ...and, ditto on what Carol said.

I know I'm obnoxious Tammy. But sometimes I just can't help it! I'm seriously tired of all these people pontificating on things they know nothing about. I read last nite where someone claimed he/she was a musician & Jeff sings "off key". I can't believe a musician would say that. Singing "off key" would mean a person is singing in an entirely different key from the music. A key is the tonic triad, the major or minor chord progression. What are they trying to say? That the song is in key C & Jeff sings some notes in key A? That's ludicrous. If they had ANY idea what that would sound like (& if they are musicians, they should), they would know what a joke it is. They must think they're a character in Spinal Tap. (I think it was the guitarist who said one song was in D minor, the saddest key which makes people cry, ha ha.)

What they're actually trying to say is that in the beginning, Jeff hit some notes "sharp" & Jeff has admitted this himself. He was still singing in the right key. Let me use a piano as an example here. The white keys are the note, the black keys are sharp. It's still in the same key & octave, but the black key on the piano is a slightly different sound: sharp. Notes are measured in frequency. Lower pitch notes vibrate slower than higher notes. These vibrations can actually be meaured on an oscilloscope btw. Most untrained singers sing some notes "flat". That isn't off key, it's the right note, but sung at a lower frequency, not quite high enough--under pitch. Singing "sharp" means singing the correct note, but higher than it should be. For God's sake, Jeff was rehearsing in a live situation. He cannot be blamed for hitting a note or two sharp. Perry wasn't always perfect live himself. He just knew these songs so well & was so "in tune" (pardon the pun) w/his own voice that he knew when he was not going to make the note 100% perfectly before he hit it. Instead, he changed it up & did something I call "melodizing" even tho it's not a word.

Another person last nite said Jeff sings high notes in falsetto, but his tonality is so deep it sounds normal to us. I just about rolled on the floor laughing at that one. Falsetto is false voice, like the Bee Gees. That sounds normal? Damn. I must have weird freaking ears then. If we heard one of the Gibb bros sing in head or chest voice, it would have sounded way different (not sure if they ever did as I haven't studied their music).

Sorry for writing a book on this but it's just really irritating to me to read all this crud.

JourneyRox wrote:

silverblue wrote:JourneyRox, you cracked me up with that first line ...and, ditto on what Carol said.

Another person last nite said Jeff sings high notes in falsetto, but his tonality is so deep it sounds normal to us. I just about rolled on the floor laughing at that one. Falsetto is false voice, like the Bee Gees. That sounds normal? Damn. I must have weird freaking ears then. If we heard one of the Gibb bros sing in head or chest voice, it would have sounded way different (not sure if they ever did as I haven't studied their music).

HAHA, yeah, jeff is definitly singing in a head voice, not a Falsetto. Perry sang in his head voice all the time...I applaud both of them for that, ive been working on my head voice for years now and im just now to the point that i can use it....but no, definitly not falsetto....

JourneyRox wrote:

silverblue wrote:

I'm seriously tired of all these people pontificating on things they know nothing about. I read last nite where someone claimed he/she was a musician & Jeff sings "off key". I can't believe a musician would say that.

Yea, that's bullshit.



Unless they criticize Augeri then it's valid.

Red13JoePa wrote:

JourneyRox wrote:

silverblue wrote:

I'm seriously tired of all these people pontificating on things they know nothing about. I read last nite where someone claimed he/she was a musician & Jeff sings "off key". I can't believe a musician would say that.

Yea, that's bullshit.



Unless they criticize Augeri then it's valid.

Wrong. If someone incorrectly claimed Augeri sang something off key, I'd correct them too. But why do I bother explaining this to u? U just love to slam me every chance u get. What did I ever do to u? Or are u just naturally like this?

I'm talking about the whole place in general not you specifically.


Oh, by the way...


Beat it.

silverblue wrote:JourneyRox, you cracked me up with that first line ...and, ditto on what Carol said.

You got that right Tammy. I'll third what you said JRox .

I have talked with a mutual friend who would know and apparently, Steve's voice has fully recovered.
That's good news for him.

Red13JoePa wrote:I'm talking about the whole place in general not you specifically.


Oh, by the way...


Beat it.

Go beat off! Maybe u would do that well

brywool wrote:I have talked with a mutual friend who would know and apparently, Steve's voice has fully recovered.
That's good news for him.

Well I'll believe it when he performs LIVE on tour.

JourneyRox wrote:

Red13JoePa wrote:I'm talking about the whole place in general not you specifically.


Oh, by the way...


Beat it.

Go beat off! Maybe u would do that well

OK, Mr Refined.



You stay classy now.

JourneyRox wrote:

brywool wrote:I have talked with a mutual friend who would know and apparently, Steve's voice has fully recovered.
That's good news for him.

Well I'll believe it when he performs LIVE on tour.

I suppose. Even so, glad that he's recovered and that he's working (if he indeed is).
I could care less if he tours as long as there's new music.

Judging by what was happening in late June-early July stateside, if he tried to do a concert before 2008 and major healing I'd put the over/under at 3 songs before you'd have North Carolina all over again.

I have the feeling that simply being away from singing alone will not fix what ails Augie.


I'm all for a solo debut, though. maybe he'd even play a little guitar.

Lula wrote:

silverblue wrote:JourneyRox, you cracked me up with that first line ...and, ditto on what Carol said.

You got that right Tammy. I'll third what you said JRox .

You haven't figured me out. You know, I'm not afraid to laugh at myself. I'll even open the door for it at times like I did here. At least when JRox insults me she does it with that knowledge because she IS sharp!

When you jump on the insult band wagon like you've done here it really doesn't add any value to the dialogue. It's a cheap jab.

Can't you come up with anything fresh? I'm considering taking back my defense of you when Dean said you couldn't argue with me.

Red13JoePa wrote:

JourneyRox wrote:

Red13JoePa wrote:I'm talking about the whole place in general not you specifically.


Oh, by the way...


Beat it.

Go beat off! Maybe u would do that well

OK, Mr Refined.



You stay classy now.

Mr.??? At least I'm no more classy or classless than u. Dumbass.

JSS feeds the devil in you.



How proud he must be.

JourneyRox wrote:

FyreWyngz wrote: Steve Augeri is CURRENTLY recording his debut solo album, IN THE MOMENT, due out the summer of 2007. He’s also putting the finishing touches on the much-anticipated follow-up to the AOR classic TALL STORIES album, launching early next year.

I read this as saying that SA is currently capable of working in the studio. Is he singing? Doesn't say. Is he capable of singing? Doesn't say. Maybe all of the tracks were laid down prior to his condition flaring up. Will he tour next Summer? Who knows. Has he recovered? It appears so but it can't be known for sure.

They way it's spelled out it leads one to believe that he's recovered and ready to fly solo and/or hit the road with Tall Stories in about 7 months.

So if he's recovered then what's the problem?[/b]

Fyre, ur right. U are NOT the sharpest knife. I am, so let me help u w/this

It doesn't say anywhere SA is going to tour. There is NOT one mention of that. It says he is recording an album & finessing TS2.

1. TS2 was recorded a LONG time ago (over a decade).

2. Altho it says that he is recording his debut album, it doesn't say he's actually singing it now. Recording is kind of a generic term. For all we know, these could be tracks he layed down when he was still healthy, before Generations, for example. There were some other songs he had written for Gens that did not make it on the album, for example. Maybe he will use some of those.

3. It took him a very very long time to finish some of the tracks on Gens. For example, FITH took over a couple of months.

4. Have u ever been in a recording studio to record anything? I have, so let me try to give u an analogy. It's kinda like how they shoot a movie in a way. U know how they have the clipboard & do takes & the director watches them to see how they look, then if he/she doesn't like them, they do them over? Well it is a lot like that. As u lay down bits & pieces, if u don't like the way they sound, u go ahead & redo them. Then, they all get mixed together to sound like one smooth track.

5. Let's go back to a boot that we have of one of Augeri's last performances on June 24 2006 in Jones Beach (do u have that one?), u can listen to his singing voice there.

Here's Stone In Love: http://download.yousendit.com/D80E514B7BE9AE61

He was still able to sing a few notes w/in one octave. As Jon Cain explained in his interview, SA has a vocal paralysis. This means that one of his vocal cords which was once flexible is no longer flexible & has trouble expanding & closing. He may have gotten this condition from his years of using a steroid inhaler for his asthma. Anyway, he can still sing some of the notes, but when his vocal cords are supposed to move for different notes w/in that octave or to allow him to reach into another octave, at least one of the cords is not doing so. In a studio situation, where he could practice this over & over, he will probably be able to get to at least some of those notes over time, & those he can't get to can be massaged w/special software.

6. Let's read about the condition Jon Cain, his friend, says he has:
http://www.intelihealth.com/IH/ihtIH/WS ... 10976.html
"In some cases, the voice returns on its own within a year. If not, the condition is likely to be permanent."
SA has had this condition for more than a yr now. That means it is likely to be permanent. Therefore, he is not, as u speculate "recovered". However, that doesn't mean that he can't do some limited studio work if it's only paralysis on one side of his cords.

Got it now? I tried to keep it simple. If u don't understand any of it, just holler.

Ok. I may be a little sharper now. But you echoed some things that I alluded to. I recognize that the statement left out major details. You've also made some broad assumptions where there are no details.

Regarding #3: Why did it take so long to finish FITH? Are you saying that his voice was shot? Where is this reported? It's not unusual at all for a lot of time to be taken to finish things. Cain labored over the lyrics for Be Good To Yourself for 5 months! Should we report then that he's somehow lyrically challenged and in need of recovery at the Emily Dickinson Center for Poets?

As for your other obnoxious and elitist ramblings I'll agree with your superiority complex driven howlings however regarding my speculation: the statement was that SA would be monitored for recovery. The JSS announcement presents the info in such a way that leads to speculation as they haven't confirmed nor denied SA's recovery. If he was truly out for health issues then it stands to reason that it be confirmed and NOT wish him well on his future endeavors behind the mic.

Ultimately, it's clear to me that they wanted him out for whatever reasons and using his health was a convenient and smokescreen of an excuse.

FyreWyngz wrote:

JourneyRox wrote:

FyreWyngz wrote:

Regarding #3: Why did it take so long to finish FITH? Are you saying that his voice was shot? Where is this reported? It's not unusual at all for a lot of time to be taken to finish things. Cain labored over the lyrics for Be Good To Yourself for 5 months! Should we report then that he's somehow lyrically challenged and in need of recovery at the Emily Dickinson Center for Poets?

It's not reported anywhere, Fyre.
It's speculation masquerading matter-of-factly as truth. Happens around here from time to time.

I happen to have heard this as well and find it to have merit, but that is because of the REAL source from where it came, not this guy.

The answer to the cain question is that it's perfectly fine for JC to labor over lyrics but the AugeriIsTheRootOfAllEvil crowd's double standard makes it just another inditement of his fraudulence to have to take a month to lay vox down for a track.

FyreWyngz wrote: Ok. I may be a little sharper now. But you echoed some things that I alluded to. I recognize that the statement left out major details. You've also made some broad assumptions where there are no details.

Point out any assumption I made please other than #3. I stated the facts & provided a link to a song & a link to an article that talks about vocal paralysis. Jon Cain said that's what Augeri has. Therefore, there is no assumption there.

FyreWyngz wrote: Regarding #3: Why did it take so long to finish FITH? Are you saying that his voice was shot? Where is this reported? It's not unusual at all for a lot of time to be taken to finish things. Cain labored over the lyrics for Be Good To Yourself for 5 months! Should we report then that he's somehow lyrically challenged and in need of recovery at the Emily Dickinson Center for Poets?

Laboring over lyrics is one thing. Laboring over recording one song is something completely different. To be honest, I don't remember where or even if that was officially reported at the moment. It is something I have been told by many sources, however, & yes, that would lead one to assume his voice was having problems then. That, however, is an assumption.

FyreWyngz wrote: As for your other obnoxious and elitist ramblings I'll agree with your superiority complex driven howlings

LMAO

FyreWyngz wrote: however regarding my speculation: the statement was that SA would be monitored for recovery. The JSS announcement presents the info in such a way that leads to speculation as they haven't confirmed nor denied SA's recovery. If he was truly out for health issues then it stands to reason that it be confirmed and NOT wish him well on his future endeavors behind the mic.

Ultimately, it's clear to me that they wanted him out for whatever reasons and using his health was a convenient and smokescreen of an excuse.

Since we're speculating, let me present another scenario that would be equally as feasible as urs. Just think about it, ok? U don't have to agree w/it, just ponder it. SA & his lawyer(s) did not want Journey to confirm or deny his recovery or lack therof. SA realizes the whole "tapegate" issue hurt his reputation very badly. He doesn't want to go down in history as the guy who lip synched. Who would? So, his lawyer(s) crafted the statement in a way that would let everyone assume he will be able to sing again & is, in fact, in the studio doing just that. He may actually be creating a solo album. That remains to be seen. Another lead singer of Journey has told us for 10 yrs that he was thinking about singing again, going into the studio, doing scales, etc. But still, there is no album. Granted we got a tentative release date for Augeri's album & a title. However, until we actually see the album, I'm dubious. As I "rambled" above, it's possible for a singer, even with vocal cord paralysis, to record an album taking his time to do so. However, singing songs from that album live, unless his paralysis has recovered, would be a completely different story. Only time will tell, of course. But isn't it just as possible that the lawyer(s) crafted the statement that way as that Journey just wanted to can Augeri? Like I said, ponder it.

Red13JoePa wrote: It's not reported anywhere, Fyre.
It's speculation masquerading matter-of-factly as truth. Happens around here from time to time.

I happen to have heard this as well and find it to have merit, but that is because of the REAL source from where it came, not this guy.

The answer to the cain question is that it's perfectly fine for JC to labor over lyrics but the AugeriIsTheRootOfAllEvil crowd's double standard makes it just another inditement of his fraudulence to have to take a month to lay vox down for a track.

First of all, I'm not a guy, never was, never will be. I'm all woman.

Thanks for confirming that it is factual. As I said above to Fyre, laboring over lyrics & laboring over laying down a vocal track are NOT the same. If u think u are, well that just shows ur agenda, not to mention ur dumb ass.

BTW, it's spelled indictment, not inditement. If ur going to use "big" words, at least learn to spell them or use a spell checker.

JourneyRox wrote:
Since we're speculating, let me present another scenario that would be equally as feasible as urs. Just think about it, ok? U don't have to agree w/it, just ponder it. SA & his lawyer(s) did not want Journey to confirm or deny his recovery or lack therof.

Oh, I think this is CLEARLY what happened.
That part of the text reeks of legalese... maybe if we have a lawyer here they could weigh in on this.