OT: Border guard trial

[conversationpc]

How many here are familiar with the recent conviction of two border guards, Jose Compean (28 ) and Ignacio Ramos (37), for shooting an escaping illegal alien? From the evidence shown at trial, it appears as though they were rightly convicted. They shot this guy, who was illegally in the country dealing drugs, he escaped across the border, and they covered up some of the evidence. The U.S. government then went into Mexico and gave this guy immunity from prosecution in order to testify against our own border agents. I think they should have been convicted but they were sentenced to 11 and 12 years respectively. In my opinion, their sentences should be drastically reduced, or at least pardoned after serving some time.

Anyway, the big news today that I heard on the Glenn Beck show is that it's been discovered that the department of Homeland Security lied to Congress about this case. Apparently, the mother of this illegal alien who was shot, knows someone in Homeland Security and was able to somehow influence the investigation and subsequent prosecution of the case.

It also recently came out that Ramos was recently beaten up in prison AFTER BEING PLACED IN THE GENERAL POPULATION OF A PRISON CONTAINING MANY ILLEGAL ALIENS.

What the flying crap is going on here?

[San Diego Gary]

This is a HUGE story here in San Diego, what with our very close proximity to Mexico. There's a lot of things that don't seem to add up.

[ohsherrie]

I hadn't heard about it but it sounds very fishy, and sadly, not surprisingly so. Think I'll check out what they might have to say about it on Politico.com.

[conversationpc]

Here's a link to the story... http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54166

[ohsherrie]

Yep, we're really on top of Homeland security aren't we? Unbelievable.

[conversationpc]

Yep, we're really on top of Homeland security aren't we? Unbelievable.

This is one area where we definitely agree and where most conservatives disagree with President Bush and a majority of Republicans in Congress, for that matter.

[Saint John]

Yep, we're really on top of Homeland security aren't we? Unbelievable.

This is one area where we definitely agree and where most conservatives disagree with President Bush and a majority of Republicans in Congress, for that matter.

All illegals captured in this country should be sentenced to a MANDATORY 6 months of incarcaration. During those 6 months they should work 8-12 hour days in fields, without pay Their "pay" will merely be food and shelter. If they are "illegal felons" (drug dealers) that term jumps to 5 years. After all of these criminals are released they should be fingerprinted and SPECIFICALLY WARNED that if they are EVER found in the U.S. again illegally they will receive a sentence twice that of their original one. Moreover, any illegal who commits a crime against a woman or child shall receive a MANDATORY MINIMUM 25 year sentence. Shit would then change REAL FAST.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

What the flying crap is going on here?

What do you expect from those welfare-seeking-baby-making-picante-food-eating-freeloaders from across the border?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Yep, we're really on top of Homeland security aren't we? Unbelievable.

This is one area where we definitely agree and where most conservatives disagree with President Bush and a majority of Republicans in Congress, for that matter.

All illegals captured in this country should be sentenced to a MANDATORY 6 months of incarcaration. During those 6 months they should work 8-12 hour days in fields, without pay Their "pay" will merely be food and shelter. If they are "illegal felons" (drug dealers) that term jumps to 5 years. After all of these criminals are released they should be fingerprinted and SPECIFICALLY WARNED that if they are EVER found in the U.S. again illegally they will receive a sentence twice that of their original one. Moreover, any illegal who commits a crime against a woman or child shall receive a MANDATORY MINIMUM 25 year sentence. Shit would then change REAL FAST.

And people who think like you are a disgrace to American ideology.

[Barb]

Yep, we're really on top of Homeland security aren't we? Unbelievable.

This is one area where we definitely agree and where most conservatives disagree with President Bush and a majority of Republicans in Congress, for that matter.

All illegals captured in this country should be sentenced to a MANDATORY 6 months of incarcaration. During those 6 months they should work 8-12 hour days in fields, without pay Their "pay" will merely be food and shelter. If they are "illegal felons" (drug dealers) that term jumps to 5 years. After all of these criminals are released they should be fingerprinted and SPECIFICALLY WARNED that if they are EVER found in the U.S. again illegally they will receive a sentence twice that of their original one. Moreover, any illegal who commits a crime against a woman or child shall receive a MANDATORY MINIMUM 25 year sentence. Shit would then change REAL FAST.

That, and if people would stop freaking hiring them!

[Saint John]

Yep, we're really on top of Homeland security aren't we? Unbelievable.

This is one area where we definitely agree and where most conservatives disagree with President Bush and a majority of Republicans in Congress, for that matter.

All illegals captured in this country should be sentenced to a MANDATORY 6 months of incarcaration. During those 6 months they should work 8-12 hour days in fields, without pay Their "pay" will merely be food and shelter. If they are "illegal felons" (drug dealers) that term jumps to 5 years. After all of these criminals are released they should be fingerprinted and SPECIFICALLY WARNED that if they are EVER found in the U.S. again illegally they will receive a sentence twice that of their original one. Moreover, any illegal who commits a crime against a woman or child shall receive a MANDATORY MINIMUM 25 year sentence. Shit would then change REAL FAST.

And people who think like you are a disgrace to American ideology.

What should we do, Einstein? Congratulate them? They're fucking CRIMINALS. That's what you do, PUNISH them. Our country is being ruined but I'M a disgrace? Actually, my "sentencing guidelines" were MUCH too lenient. Here are some fine examples:


"Police commanders may not want to discuss, much less respond to, the illegal alien crisis, but its magnitude for law enforcement is startling. Some examples:


• In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.


• A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the bloody 18th Street Gang in California is illegal (estimated membership: 20,000); police officers say the proportion is undoubtedly much greater. The gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complicated drug distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and is responsible for an assault or robbery every day in Los Angeles County. The gang has dramatically expanded its numbers over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, a vast proportion
illegal, from Central America and Mexico.


• The leadership of the Columbia Li’l Cycos gang, which uses murder and racketeering to control the drug market around L.A.’s MacArthur Park, was about 60 percent illegal in 2002, says former Assistant U.S. Attorney Luis Li. Frank "Pancho Villa" Martinez, a Mexican Mafia member and illegal alien, controlled the gang from prison, while serving time for felonious reentry following deportation."

[Rick]

Yep, we're really on top of Homeland security aren't we? Unbelievable.

This is one area where we definitely agree and where most conservatives disagree with President Bush and a majority of Republicans in Congress, for that matter.

All illegals captured in this country should be sentenced to a MANDATORY 6 months of incarcaration. During those 6 months they should work 8-12 hour days in fields, without pay Their "pay" will merely be food and shelter. If they are "illegal felons" (drug dealers) that term jumps to 5 years. After all of these criminals are released they should be fingerprinted and SPECIFICALLY WARNED that if they are EVER found in the U.S. again illegally they will receive a sentence twice that of their original one. Moreover, any illegal who commits a crime against a woman or child shall receive a MANDATORY MINIMUM 25 year sentence. Shit would then change REAL FAST.

I think it's a great idea, but try to imagine the size of the incarceration facility. Say, Manhattan island?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

What should we do, Einstein? Congratulate them? They're fucking CRIMINALS.

But you're not referring to ONLY criminals. Here's what you said:

"ALL ILLEGALS captured in this country should be sentenced to a MANDATORY 6 months of incarcaration. During those 6 months they should work 8-12 hour days in fields, without pay Their "pay" will merely be food and shelter."

All of the illegals I know should NOT be imprisoned NOR forced into "labor" as you've outlined which is nothing short of slavery.

With thoughts like that you've got a long way to go to ever be a saint. You'r more like what they used to call the New Orleans Saints: The Aint's.

Ain't John

Yup. That's far more accurate.

[ohsherrie]

Yep, we're really on top of Homeland security aren't we? Unbelievable.

This is one area where we definitely agree and where most conservatives disagree with President Bush and a majority of Republicans in Congress, for that matter.

Yes we agree on this Dave. I wish our government was more concerned with the repercussions of the cost of these illegals on our human resource system than with the benefit to the businesses that employ them.


St John, I hear you and agree with you.

[Saint John]

Yep, we're really on top of Homeland security aren't we? Unbelievable.

This is one area where we definitely agree and where most conservatives disagree with President Bush and a majority of Republicans in Congress, for that matter.

All illegals captured in this country should be sentenced to a MANDATORY 6 months of incarcaration. During those 6 months they should work 8-12 hour days in fields, without pay Their "pay" will merely be food and shelter. If they are "illegal felons" (drug dealers) that term jumps to 5 years. After all of these criminals are released they should be fingerprinted and SPECIFICALLY WARNED that if they are EVER found in the U.S. again illegally they will receive a sentence twice that of their original one. Moreover, any illegal who commits a crime against a woman or child shall receive a MANDATORY MINIMUM 25 year sentence. Shit would then change REAL FAST.

I think it's a great idea, but try to imagine the size of the incarceration facility. Say, Manhattan island?

Repeat offenders could be sent to Iraq with "I love America" t-shirts.

[Rick]

What should we do, Einstein? Congratulate them? They're fucking CRIMINALS.

But you're not referring to ONLY criminals. Here's what you said:

"ALL ILLEGALS captured in this country should be sentenced to a MANDATORY 6 months of incarcaration. During those 6 months they should work 8-12 hour days in fields, without pay Their "pay" will merely be food and shelter."

All of the illegals I know should NOT be imprisoned NOR forced into "labor" as you've outlined which is nothing short of slavery.

With thoughts like that you've got a long way to go to ever be a saint. You'r more like what they used to call the New Orleans Saints: The Aint's.

Ain't John

Yup. That's far more accurate.

Evidently you don't get it Fyre. You highlighted it yourself. ALL ILLEGALS. Illegal is what they are, which makes them criminals. That's what saint John is trying to get across here.

[SteveForever]

What should we do, Einstein? Congratulate them? They're fucking CRIMINALS.

But you're not referring to ONLY criminals. Here's what you said:

"ALL ILLEGALS captured in this country should be sentenced to a MANDATORY 6 months of incarcaration. During those 6 months they should work 8-12 hour days in fields, without pay Their "pay" will merely be food and shelter."

All of the illegals I know should NOT be imprisoned NOR forced into "labor" as you've outlined which is nothing short of slavery.

With thoughts like that you've got a long way to go to ever be a saint. You'r more like what they used to call the New Orleans Saints: The Aint's.

Ain't John

Yup. That's far more accurate.

Evidently you don't get it Fyre. You highlighted it yourself. ALL ILLEGALS. Illegal is what they are, which makes them criminals. That's what saint John is trying to get across here.

Would that include young children, pregnant women and elderly?

[Saint John]

What should we do, Einstein? Congratulate them? They're fucking CRIMINALS.

But you're not referring to ONLY criminals. Here's what you said:

"ALL ILLEGALS captured in this country should be sentenced to a MANDATORY 6 months of incarcaration. During those 6 months they should work 8-12 hour days in fields, without pay Their "pay" will merely be food and shelter."

All of the illegals I know should NOT be imprisoned NOR forced into "labor" as you've outlined which is nothing short of slavery.

With thoughts like that you've got a long way to go to ever be a saint. You'r more like what they used to call the New Orleans Saints: The Aint's.

Ain't John

Yup. That's far more accurate.

Evidently you don't get it Fyre. You highlighted it yourself. ALL ILLEGALS. Illegal is what they are, which makes them criminals. That's what saint John is trying to get across here.

Would that include young children, pregnant women and elderly?

No, yes and yes.

[SteveForever]

What should we do, Einstein? Congratulate them? They're fucking CRIMINALS.

But you're not referring to ONLY criminals. Here's what you said:

"ALL ILLEGALS captured in this country should be sentenced to a MANDATORY 6 months of incarcaration. During those 6 months they should work 8-12 hour days in fields, without pay Their "pay" will merely be food and shelter."

All of the illegals I know should NOT be imprisoned NOR forced into "labor" as you've outlined which is nothing short of slavery.

With thoughts like that you've got a long way to go to ever be a saint. You'r more like what they used to call the New Orleans Saints: The Aint's.

Ain't John

Yup. That's far more accurate.

Evidently you don't get it Fyre. You highlighted it yourself. ALL ILLEGALS. Illegal is what they are, which makes them criminals. That's what saint John is trying to get across here.

Would that include young children, pregnant women and elderly?

No, yes and yes.

Would it include people that are blind, have no hands, walk with a cane and/or are mentally challenged?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

What should we do, Einstein? Congratulate them? They're fucking CRIMINALS.

But you're not referring to ONLY criminals. Here's what you said:

"ALL ILLEGALS captured in this country should be sentenced to a MANDATORY 6 months of incarcaration. During those 6 months they should work 8-12 hour days in fields, without pay Their "pay" will merely be food and shelter."

All of the illegals I know should NOT be imprisoned NOR forced into "labor" as you've outlined which is nothing short of slavery.

With thoughts like that you've got a long way to go to ever be a saint. You'r more like what they used to call the New Orleans Saints: The Aint's.

Ain't John

Yup. That's far more accurate.

Evidently you don't get it Fyre. You highlighted it yourself. ALL ILLEGALS. Illegal is what they are, which makes them criminals. That's what saint John is trying to get across here.

I got it all right. Nice spin job, though. He was CLEARLY lumping hardened criminals in with people who are trying to seek a better life. It's a nifty trick that Archie Bunker used to pull weekly.

Illegals have ALWAYS been a part of the fabric of this country. All of a sudden we're hysterical against Mexicans. We're hysterical against them just like we were against the Chinese, Italian (WOP's WithOut Papers), Irish, etc. when they surged into this country.

It's nothing more than hysteria in which racists and those with racial intolerance find refuge in that it allows them to spew racial slurs under the guise of "trying to protect the country". It's 100% horse crap.

[Saint John]

What should we do, Einstein? Congratulate them? They're fucking CRIMINALS.

But you're not referring to ONLY criminals. Here's what you said:

"ALL ILLEGALS captured in this country should be sentenced to a MANDATORY 6 months of incarcaration. During those 6 months they should work 8-12 hour days in fields, without pay Their "pay" will merely be food and shelter."

All of the illegals I know should NOT be imprisoned NOR forced into "labor" as you've outlined which is nothing short of slavery.

With thoughts like that you've got a long way to go to ever be a saint. You'r more like what they used to call the New Orleans Saints: The Aint's.

Ain't John

Yup. That's far more accurate.

Like someone already said, once you cross the border ILLEGALLY you ARE a criminal. And if you know of ANY illegals, you should be a patriotic American and turn them in to the proper authorities immediately. But my guess is you won't. You're an apologist for these criminals. I'm asking anyone on this board that knows your name or location to please PM it to me. I have friends in National Security as well as The U.S. Border Patrol. I hope to God I can deport one of the raggy members of your clan. It's on now, partner.

[ohsherrie]

Would it include people that are blind, have no hands, walk with a cane and/or are mentally challenged?

As cruel as it may seem, yes. Let their governments pay for their care. Why should if have to be on the tax paying people in this country who are reduced to working for drastically reduced wages with no medical benefits because their jobs are being shipped to Mexico and China?

You have to draw the line somewhere. If they come here and have babies, let them have the choice of either taking their babies back to their countries with them or putting them up for adoption. We don't need to be supporting whole families through the welfare system just because some of the babies were born here.

[Rick]

What should we do, Einstein? Congratulate them? They're fucking CRIMINALS.

But you're not referring to ONLY criminals. Here's what you said:

"ALL ILLEGALS captured in this country should be sentenced to a MANDATORY 6 months of incarcaration. During those 6 months they should work 8-12 hour days in fields, without pay Their "pay" will merely be food and shelter."

All of the illegals I know should NOT be imprisoned NOR forced into "labor" as you've outlined which is nothing short of slavery.

With thoughts like that you've got a long way to go to ever be a saint. You'r more like what they used to call the New Orleans Saints: The Aint's.

Ain't John

Yup. That's far more accurate.

Evidently you don't get it Fyre. You highlighted it yourself. ALL ILLEGALS. Illegal is what they are, which makes them criminals. That's what saint John is trying to get across here.

I got it all right. Nice spin job, though. He was CLEARLY lumping hardened criminals in with people who are trying to seek a better life. It's a nifty trick that Archie Bunker used to pull weekly.

Illegals have ALWAYS been a part of the fabric of this country. All of a sudden we're hysterical against Mexicans. We're hysterical against them just like we were against the Chinese, Italian (WOP's WithOut Papers), Irish, etc. when they surged into this country.

It's nothing more than hysteria in which racists and those with racial intolerance find refuge in that it allows them to spew racial slurs under the guise of "trying to protect the country". It's 100% horse crap.

Hold the reins there sir. I'm neither a racist nor am I racially intolerant. I love everyone. There are legal ways to come to this country, and those are the ways that should be pursued. You are doing nothing but condoning crime. Think about it.

[ohsherrie]

Hold the reins there sir. I'm neither a racist nor am I racially intolerant. I love everyone. There are legal ways to come to this country, and those are the ways that should be pursued. You are doing nothing but condoning crime. Think about it.

And there ya go.

(If we're going to legalize something, let it be marajuana. )

[Saint John]

What should we do, Einstein? Congratulate them? They're fucking CRIMINALS.

But you're not referring to ONLY criminals. Here's what you said:

"ALL ILLEGALS captured in this country should be sentenced to a MANDATORY 6 months of incarcaration. During those 6 months they should work 8-12 hour days in fields, without pay Their "pay" will merely be food and shelter."

All of the illegals I know should NOT be imprisoned NOR forced into "labor" as you've outlined which is nothing short of slavery.

With thoughts like that you've got a long way to go to ever be a saint. You'r more like what they used to call the New Orleans Saints: The Aint's.

Ain't John

Yup. That's far more accurate.

Evidently you don't get it Fyre. You highlighted it yourself. ALL ILLEGALS. Illegal is what they are, which makes them criminals. That's what saint John is trying to get across here.

I got it all right. Nice spin job, though. He was CLEARLY lumping hardened criminals in with people who are trying to seek a better life. It's a nifty trick that Archie Bunker used to pull weekly.

Illegals have ALWAYS been a part of the fabric of this country. All of a sudden we're hysterical against Mexicans. We're hysterical against them just like we were against the Chinese, Italian (WOP's WithOut Papers), Irish, etc. when they surged into this country.

It's nothing more than hysteria in which racists and those with racial intolerance find refuge in that it allows them to spew racial slurs under the guise of "trying to protect the country". It's 100% horse crap.

I guess Mohammed Atta and the others who flew planes into the Twin Towers, Pentagon and Shanksville were "part of the fabric of this country." They were here illegally. But I guess I'm just "hysterical." Kiss your illegal loved ones goodbye. They're going "home." That is, if I can do anything about it.

[RossValoryRocks]

Ok Fyre...we understand you are married to a Columbian...all well and good...she did it the legal way...

The illegals are ruining this country. They are collecting benefits from the government that are taken out if my (and everyone elses) hard earned paycheck every 2 weeks. The contribute NOTHING to society via taxes paid, which means money that should be going to the local, state and federal governments to provide things like schools, roads and tax relief to the already over burdened middle class of this country, ISN'T.

They takes jobs that LEGAL immigants and american citizen need.

Illegals are nothing but a drain on society, and that isn't racist, that's FACT.

I understand they want a better life...but so the people who do it the HARD way, by obeying the laws of this country and immigrating legally.
My father-in-law came from Italy in the early 50's, didn't speak English, but he learned. He followed the laws and rules and regulations of this country and became a US Citizen, like a person is supposed to do.

The illegals coming in, be the Hispanic or otherwise, DO NONE of these things. They come here against the law, making them CRIMINALS, they refuse to learn the language, they engage in illicit and criminal behavior at a rate FAR above the people who legally enter the country.

You can argue racism and dismiss everything said against illegals, but not only isn't that true (As most people love when people come to the US seeking a better life provided they do so legally) but it is sloppy and emotional rhetoric that is the sign of weak argument. You have no facts, you can only scream racist and attempt to dismiss those who ONLY wish for people to obey our laws, contribute to our society and LEGALLY be a part of our country.

[ohsherrie]

Great post Stu. Some people just seem to forget that there's a difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL immigration. The people who come here legally have now come to be at a disadvantage to those who sneak in as criminals.

[conversationpc]

And people who think like you are a disgrace to American ideology.

Fyre, no one takes your arguments seriously because all you ever do is play the intolerance card when someone disagrees with you.

Grow up.

[Sassie]

This is a big story here in Edna Texas too. They should be ashamed of the things they have done to these two men, not to mention their families. Just a few weeks ago we had an illegal steal a car here and they drove down our road trying to get away from the police. They crashed into the cow pasture next to our house. It was scary. I was just thankful my husband was home. Because they jumped out of the car and started running towards our house. The police got them of course, but I told my husband, I sure hope they aren't afraid to arrest them, after what happened to the border guards.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Ok Fyre...we understand you are married to a Columbian...all well and good...she did it the legal way...

It's ColOmbia with an "O". Yes - she AND I did things legally. Do you know what we had to do? Of course not. Do you know what it takes to get here legally? I doubt it.

Let me put it to you this way. I'm an American citizen born and raised. My wife is a permanent resident and Colombian citizen. We tried to LEGALLY get her parents here to visit their grandchildren whom they've never seen. That's it. We just wanted a simple visitor's visa. Immigration denied it. Why? Because they're considered impoverished and therefore have no compelling reason to honor their visa and return home. You'd think that my status as a tax-paying citizen and my wife's as a premanent resident would have some bearing. It doesn't. I fully understand the position of Immigration on this matter. They don't want her parents to become a burden to our society. BUT - here's a situation when it's all in their favor! They know who we are and where we live. They know EVERYTHING about us and my in-laws. If we were to violate the visa then they would know exactly where to find us. They could hunt us down like dogs and exact punishment. But NO. We've tried to do things LEGALLY but because of poverty we're screwed. Now if they granted the visa we would spend American dollars to house and feed them - along with anything else that they would need - it would all go into the American economy. As it is we now have to visit Colombia. So everything that we would've spent here is now going to go into the economy of Colombia. Makes sense!

In contrast to that we have a friend who brought her brother here to visit from Colombia. For what? So that he could find a job and earn some quick money in order to help his mentally and physically challenged daughter who was in dire need of medical care that he couldn't afford as a taxi driver in Colombia. A local job shop hired him KNOWING that his visa was NOT a work visa. They worked his ass off. He did all of the dangerous stuff and got paid less than anyone. He was injured and burned by chemicals and paid for the treatment himself. He then viloated his visa by staying longer than it allowed. In the end the job shop got someone to do the shit jobs and he got enough American dollars to convert over to help his daughter.

I have many more stories but I'm not going to post further. The point here is that IN MY LIFE - the people I KNOW PERSONALLY do NOT fit the hysterical characterizations that have been made here, there, and everywhere in the media.

Certainly, there are some illegals that do however I don't know any - and I know A LOT. If anyone should be pissed about them it should be ME. Here I am surrounded by illegals when I had to go throuhg such aggravation getting my wife here. You know why I'm not pissed? Because I know them and what I know about them doesn't jive with the hysteria.

The illegals are ruining this country. They are collecting benefits from the government that are taken out if my (and everyone elses) hard earned paycheck every 2 weeks. The contribute NOTHING to society via taxes paid, which means money that should be going to the local, state and federal governments to provide things like schools, roads and tax relief to the already over burdened middle class of this country, ISN'T.

All of the illegals I know are employed and pay taxes.

As for collecting benefits - I know more LAZY, good-for-nothing Americans who abuse our system.

They takes jobs that LEGAL immigants and american citizen need.

More media hype. Again, this was said of the Chinese and Irish that poured into this country and eventually were the labor force that built our railroad systems.

Nobody TAKES a job from anyone. I've worked TWO jobs on and off over the last few years. One full-time and one part-time. I can tell you that if I had the time I could've worked a third job EASILY. The national employment rate is around 4%!!! What you're saying is unfounded in reality.

Illegals are nothing but a drain on society, and that isn't racist, that's FACT.

Yeah. The American economy is on and off the strongest in the WORLD. Those illegals sure are dragging us down.

I understand they want a better life...but so the people who do it the HARD way, by obeying the laws of this country and immigrating legally. My father-in-law came from Italy in the early 50's, didn't speak English, but he learned. He followed the laws and rules and regulations of this country and became a US Citizen, like a person is supposed to do.

And I can say the same for my wife but the REALITY is that it isn't always that easy to follow the rules.

The illegals coming in, be the Hispanic or otherwise, DO NONE of these things. They come here against the law, making them CRIMINALS, they refuse to learn the language, they engage in illicit and criminal behavior at a rate FAR above the people who legally enter the country.

This characterization does NOT fit any of the illegals I know.

You have no facts, you can only scream racist and attempt to dismiss those who ONLY wish for people to obey our laws, contribute to our society and LEGALLY be a part of our country.

The so-called "facts" that you've presented here are in absolute disagreement with the reality of my personal life and those whom I know.