MR

Hey

I don't want to start anything major here. I just have to be honest, as the tapegate saga has come up again, it got me thinking about the whole thing for a second time. I, being just short of 19, saw Journey for the first time in summer 05 (and also Nov. 05 and June 06). Now that all this has come out, I honestly feel a little cheated that it seems I technically have yet to hear live vocals at a Journey show (minus Deen's). I know now Jeff is in the band, and everything has changed (for the better it seems). However, I can't stop wondering, if the guys had no problem using tapes with Augeri, couldn't they try it again with Jeff in say 10 years, if he starts to have vocal problems. It's not like Augeri was the only singer the band has had with vocal problems. I guess in short, is it safe to say the band will most likely not do anything like that again, and the tape days are over, or chould they come back if the band feels necessary. I hope the first option is the case. What do you guys think? I really would LOVE to think this is way behind all of us (HONEST TO GOD)!!

P.S. - I don't mean to trash Jeff with this or anything close to that. Although I have not seen him in concert, sites like youtube and his website have led me to think that he is a great guy/performer/singer and a total asset/step in the right diretion for Journey. I have just been thinking about this whole debacle lately, and this question came into my head.

RumTumJM wrote:Hey

I don't want to start anything major here. I just have to be honest, as the tapegate saga has come up again, it got me thinking about the whole thing for a second time. I, being just short of 19, saw Journey for the first time in summer 05 (and also Nov. 05 and June 06). Now that all this has come out, I honestly feel a little cheated that it seems I technically have yet to hear live vocals at a Journey show (minus Deen's). I know now Jeff is in the band, and everything has changed (for the better it seems). However, I can't stop wondering, if the guys had no problem using tapes with Augeri, couldn't try it again with Jeff in say 10 years, if he starts to have vocal problems. It's not like Augeri was the only siner the band has had with vocal problems. I guess in short, is it safe to say the band will most likely not do anything like that again, and the tape days are over, or chould they come back if the band feels necessary. I hope the first option is the case. What do you guys think.

P.S. - I don't mean any negativity towards Jeff. Although I have not seen him in concert, youtube, etc. have led me to think that he is a great guy/performer/singer. I have just been thinking about this whole debacle, and this question came into my head.

Please, first sentence is KEY----***I dont want to start anything major... *** I did not get past that sentence, before I was turned off!! later...

RumTumJM wrote:Hey

I don't want to start anything major here. I just have to be honest, as the tapegate saga has come up again, it got me thinking about the whole thing for a second time. I, being just short of 19, saw Journey for the first time in summer 05 (and also Nov. 05 and June 06). Now that all this has come out, I honestly feel a little cheated that it seems I technically have yet to hear live vocals at a Journey show (minus Deen's). I know now Jeff is in the band, and everything has changed (for the better it seems). However, I can't stop wondering, if the guys had no problem using tapes with Augeri, couldn't try it again with Jeff in say 10 years, if he starts to have vocal problems. It's not like Augeri was the only siner the band has had with vocal problems. I guess in short, is it safe to say the band will most likely not do anything like that again, and the tape days are over, or chould they come back if the band feels necessary. I hope the first option is the case. What do you guys think.

P.S. - I don't mean to trash Jeff with this or anything close to that. Although I have not seen him in concert, sites like youtube and his website have led me to think that he is a great guy/performer/singer and a total asset/step in the right diretion for Journey. I have just been thinking about this whole debacle lately, and this question came into my head.

Well I think talking about what they will be doing in 10 years time is premature. Remember in 10 years the youngest member will be 52 and the oldest will be 68 - not a huge deal - but something to keep in the back of your mind:).
I was not around for the tapegate issue but I don't think that would be something Jeff would do.

lights1961 wrote:Please, first sentence is KEY----***I dont want to start anything major... *** I did not get past that sentence, before I was turned off!! later...

Wait...stick around and have some

I don't see JSS allowing that to happen, period.

Hmmmm...
This is a very interesting debate.
RumTummy's got my wheels spinnin'
faster than they've spun in years...

I'm gonna go find a cave on a secluded mountain-top
and spend 32 days and nights, living off of 3 bags of
Pizza Combos and a sixer of MountainDew, and look
for some spiritual enlightenment before I answer this question...

I'd quit the band before doing that, if I couldn't cut it anymore I'd have no problem 1, admitting it, & 2, passing the baton to someone who could. Knock on wood neither happens but the answer is no way, I'd bow out before resorting to miming unless it called for it (tv shows that don't allow live performance, video shoots, etc.,)

JSS wrote:I'd quit the band before doing that, if I couldn't cut it anymore I'd have no problem 1, admitting it, & 2, passing the baton to someone who could. Knock on wood neither happens but the answer is no way, I'd bow out before resorting to miming unless it called for it (tv shows that don't allow live performance, video shoots, etc.,)

Well said. I knew you were a stand-up guy!

JSS wrote:I'd quit the band before doing that, if I couldn't cut it anymore I'd have no problem 1, admitting it, & 2, passing the baton to someone who could. Knock on wood neither happens but the answer is no way, I'd bow out before resorting to miming unless it called for it (tv shows that don't allow live performance, video shoots, etc.,)

And there ya go. That's what integrity is all about.

Carlitto H@kk wrote:Thank God you showed up, Jeff.
The thought of spending 32 days/nights in that
cave was killing me!
That;s 4 weeks of Amercican Idol
I woulda missed!

Carlitto H@kk wrote:Thank God you showed up, Jeff.
The thought of spending 32 days/nights in that
cave was killing me!
That;s 4 weeks of Amercican Idol
I woulda missed!

Jeff just saved Mr 19 yrs old ass. I had fire pouring out of my fingertips.

I will say it anyway...Fuck you 19 yr old.

RockinDeano wrote:

Carlitto H@kk wrote:Thank God you showed up, Jeff.
The thought of spending 32 days/nights in that
cave was killing me!
That;s 4 weeks of Amercican Idol
I woulda missed!

Jeff just saved Mr 19 yrs old ass. I had fire pouring out of my fingertips.

I will say it anyway...Fuck you 19 yr old.

Be more specific Deano, there are other 19 year olds here (me included) who don’t need to ask that question. Plus even though we are few, we are still spreading the word about JSS. I am anyway.

Classic Rock wrote:Be more specific Deano, there are other 19 year olds here (me included) who don’t need to ask that question. Plus even though we are few, we are still spreading the word about JSS. I am anyway.

You have great taste in music for 19 year old, Classic Rock.....by the bands listed in your sig. Especially lesser known ones like April Wine. Bravo, I'm impressed.

I have a 16 year old daughter and am just learning all this IPOD stuff (hers automatically updates), when charging her IPOD, I accidently downloaded portions of my Journey and JSS IPOD music folders onto it. I thought she would have a bird, I asked if she wanted me to take them off and she said NO, she likes most of them. Gotta love it!

Kimterp wrote:

RumTumJM wrote:Hey

I don't want to start anything major here. I just have to be honest, as the tapegate saga has come up again, it got me thinking about the whole thing for a second time. I, being just short of 19, saw Journey for the first time in summer 05 (and also Nov. 05 and June 06). Now that all this has come out, I honestly feel a little cheated that it seems I technically have yet to hear live vocals at a Journey show (minus Deen's). I know now Jeff is in the band, and everything has changed (for the better it seems). However, I can't stop wondering, if the guys had no problem using tapes with Augeri, couldn't try it again with Jeff in say 10 years, if he starts to have vocal problems. It's not like Augeri was the only siner the band has had with vocal problems. I guess in short, is it safe to say the band will most likely not do anything like that again, and the tape days are over, or chould they come back if the band feels necessary. I hope the first option is the case. What do you guys think.

P.S. - I don't mean to trash Jeff with this or anything close to that. Although I have not seen him in concert, sites like youtube and his website have led me to think that he is a great guy/performer/singer and a total asset/step in the right diretion for Journey. I have just been thinking about this whole debacle lately, and this question came into my head.

Well I think talking about what they will be doing in 10 years time is premature. Remember in 10 years the youngest member will be 52 and the oldest will be 68 - not a huge deal - but something to keep in the back of your mind:).
I was not around for the tapegate issue but I don't think that would be something Jeff would do.

I saw April Wine on the 10 of February 2007 and the drummer Jerry Mercer is 67 old , he did a drum solo for almost 10 minutes and he was kicking ass !!!!
so if Journey can follow his lead we still have a long way to go !!!

JSS wrote:I'd quit the band before doing that, if I couldn't cut it anymore I'd have no problem 1, admitting it, & 2, passing the baton to someone who could. Knock on wood neither happens but the answer is no way, I'd bow out before resorting to miming unless it called for it (tv shows that don't allow live performance, video shoots, etc.,)

If you hadn't answered yourself, Jeff, I was gonna answer the same thing. You "RAWK!"

First off the bat, I hope I did not offend/annoy/etc. anyone, especially Jeff. with my last post. I just simply wanted to pose a question as a frustrated Journey fan.

Ever since June when this saga began, I have spent much time thinking about the whole thing, like I bet many of you have. I saw the band 3x with Stevie and, in all honesty, I guess I felt a little cheated when I found out much of those shows could have potentially been pre-recorded. (I do not mean tha as an attack against Steve. I understand that he may have started experiencing vocal problems in the later years) Since I am 19, I speak as a next generation Journey fan, who has often had peers laugh at me, etc. because of my intense love for Journey. My own mom laughs when I mention the name Neal Schon because I speak of him as such a deity.

After reading the responses, especially Jeff's, I can officially say that my enthusiasm for Journey has returned to it's peak. I had been debating whether or not I would attend a future Journey concert, but now there will be not stopping me from getting Journey tickets. I have heard (and seen on YouTube) many great things about Jeff as a person/performer, and at this point I have no reason to not believe those things.

Once again, I hope I did not offend anyone, especially Jeff, with my intial post. If I did, I sincerely appologize.


Here's to the return of Journey in 2008!!!!!


Sincerely,

James (aka RumTumJM)

RockinDeano wrote:I told Soto that if he ever lipped, I would rip out that fucking Sideshow Bob lettuce of his, piece by piece.

There is NOTHING to worry about here.

Good luck with that.....Jeff could totally kick your ass!!!
And when he does, can I watch?

He's kinda tall. I wonder if he ever played basketball...

I bet he could kick your ass in basketball.

donnaplease wrote:He's kinda tall. I wonder if he ever played basketball...

I bet he could kick your ass in basketball.

Yeah, I'd like to see some video of that game!

JSS wrote:I'd quit the band before doing that, if I couldn't cut it anymore I'd have no problem 1, admitting it, & 2, passing the baton to someone who could. Knock on wood neither happens but the answer is no way, I'd bow out before resorting to miming unless it called for it (tv shows that don't allow live performance, video shoots, etc.,)

Thank you, Jeff. I say that because I ain't going to live this crap through again. I would quit the band, as a fan, first. Never, ever, again!

Thanks for your honesty and I hope everything is going well!

donnaplease wrote:He's kinda tall. I wonder if he ever played basketball...

I bet he could kick your ass in basketball.

Yea, like Jeff or anyone else in this band
would ever want to play basketball with the likes
of this scary lot!

Certainly not offended & you posed a very important question, one I had no problem addressing

RumTumJM wrote:First off the bat, I hope I did not offend/annoy/etc. anyone, especially Jeff. with my last post. I just simply wanted to pose a question as a frustrated Journey fan.

Ever since June when this saga began, I have spent much time thinking about the whole thing, like I bet many of you have. I saw the band 3x with Stevie and, in all honesty, I guess I felt a little cheated when I found out much of those shows could have potentially been pre-recorded. (I do not mean tha as an attack against Steve. I understand that he may have started experiencing vocal problems in the later years) Since I am 19, I speak as a next generation Journey fan, who has often had peers laugh at me, etc. because of my intense love for Journey. My own mom laughs when I mention the name Neal Schon because I speak of him as such a deity.

After reading the responses, especially Jeff's, I can officially say that my enthusiasm for Journey has returned to it's peak. I had been debating whether or not I would attend a future Journey concert, but now there will be not stopping me from getting Journey tickets. I have heard (and seen on YouTube) many great things about Jeff as a person/performer, and at this point I have no reason to not believe those things.

Once again, I hope I did not offend anyone, especially Jeff, with my intial post. If I did, I sincerely appologize.


Here's to the return of Journey in 2008!!!!!


Sincerely,

James (aka RumTumJM)

But Jeff, the real question is, do YOU think that you could kick Dean's ass??

donnaplease wrote:He's kinda tall. I wonder if he ever played basketball...

I bet he could kick your ass in basketball.

I would love to try my skills against Jeff(THP) in basketball, but so far, I have only managed to meet him once and shake his hand. He seems very cool though.

JSS wrote:I'd quit the band before doing that, if I couldn't cut it anymore I'd have no problem 1, admitting it, & 2, passing the baton to someone who could. Knock on wood neither happens but the answer is no way, I'd bow out before resorting to miming unless it called for it (tv shows that don't allow live performance, video shoots, etc.,)

deano, he said wood, get it ready.....