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OK...You claim you're not a liberal. What issues, besides the illegal immigration issue, do you consider yourself conservative on? Just curious...

You make it sound like it's a crime to be labeled a liberal. I would much rather be a liberal than a conservative. Conservatives have turned this once great country into pure shit. There is no way to spin your last 6-7 years of government control.

It's embarrassing.

RockinDeano wrote:You make it sound like it's a crime to be labeled a liberal. I would much rather be a liberal than a conservative. Conservatives have turned this once great country into pure shit. There is no way to spin your last 6-7 years of government control.

It's embarrassing.

Why don't democrats run as proud liberals then? Who was the last one? Dukakis? "I'm a card carrying member of the ACLU" Nice going Dean. Anymore questions?

Anyone who is extreme either way is dangerous.

conversationpc wrote:OK...You claim you're not a liberal. What issues, besides the illegal immigration issue, do you consider yourself conservative on? Just curious...

I don't know. Ask me some specific questions and I'll answer them.

I consider my stance on conservation to be conservative because I think we need to be conserving.

NealIsGod wrote:Anyone who is extreme either way is dangerous.

There ya go.

RockinDeano wrote:You make it sound like it's a crime to be labeled a liberal. I would much rather be a liberal than a conservative. Conservatives have turned this once great country into pure shit. There is no way to spin your last 6-7 years of government control.

It's embarrassing.

I don't think it's a crime but if I were a liberal I wouldn't be afraid to admit it. It seems like there are a lot of liberals who don't want to admit it.

Deano, Repubs and Dems are EQUALLY to blame for any mess this country might be in so don't give me that garbage about conservatives turning this "once great country into pure shit."

Anyway, this isn't supposed to be a debate thread. I'm just curious about ohsherrie's political views.

ohsherrie wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:Anyone who is extreme either way is dangerous.

There ya go.

Yeah them, conspiricy theorists and those who believe them

Dave, please explain to me this. In the last 6 years, the republicans have controlled all 3 houses. They lied and led us into a bullshit war, based on lies and misconception. I just don't see how any of this is anyone other than republicans' fault.

Being in control means taking responsibility. Apparently, the GOP doesn't take any responsiblity for anything. You think Clinton had scandals? This administration is going down as the most corrupt in American history.

I am not entering into another Rep v Dem fight.

RockinDeano wrote:Dave, please explain to me this. In the last 6 years, the republicans have controlled all 3 houses. They lied and led us into a bullshit war, based on lies and misconception.

You mean Saddam and Iraq didn't violate all those UN resolutions

RockinDeano wrote:Being in control means taking responsibility. Apparently, the GOP doesn't take any responsiblity for anything. You think Clinton had scandals? This administration is going down as the most corrupt in American history.

When Republicans get involved in scandals they're forced to resign. Democrats on the other hand are promoted ala William Jefferson, Barney Frank..etc...etc..

RockinDeano wrote:I am not entering into another Rep v Dem fight.

I know cuz when you're confronted with facts like these you head for the hills

First of all Dave, I don't think it's right to assume that anyone who votes Dem is Liberal and anyone who votes Rep is Conservative. That's not what the two party system is supposed to be about, but that's the way it's become. I think the reason it's become that way is because the Republican party has been bought and paid for by the major corporations, the gun lobby, the tobacco lobby(which really falls under the major corporation category) and the evangelical church(a huge unincorporated, moneymaking enterprise).

IMO, the Republican Party as it exists today in nothing more than a syndicate designed to take care of themselves politically and financially above all and everyone else. They don't give a shit about this country beyond what they can use it to their benefit for.

ohsherrie wrote:First of all Dave, I don't think it's right to assume that anyone who votes Dem is Liberal and anyone who votes Rep is Conservative. That's not what the two party system is supposed to be about, but that's the way it's become. I think the reason it's become that way is because the Republican party has been bought and paid for by the major corporations, the gun lobby, the tobacco lobby(which really falls under the major corporation category) and the evangelical church(a huge unincorporated, moneymaking enterprise).

IMO, the Republican Party as it exists today in nothing more than a syndicate designed to take care of themselves politically and financially above all and everyone else. They don't give a shit about this country beyond what they can use it to their benefit for.

Do you think the Democratic party is not owned by special interest groups?

Barb wrote:

ohsherrie wrote:First of all Dave, I don't think it's right to assume that anyone who votes Dem is Liberal and anyone who votes Rep is Conservative. That's not what the two party system is supposed to be about, but that's the way it's become. I think the reason it's become that way is because the Republican party has been bought and paid for by the major corporations, the gun lobby, the tobacco lobby(which really falls under the major corporation category) and the evangelical church(a huge unincorporated, moneymaking enterprise).

IMO, the Republican Party as it exists today in nothing more than a syndicate designed to take care of themselves politically and financially above all and everyone else. They don't give a shit about this country beyond what they can use it to their benefit for.

Do you think the Democratic party is not owned by special interest groups?

You mean like the UAW and the money and votes of the teachers union that keeps our kids trapped in a failing system? Or the ambulance chaser union? The ACLU? Is Hollywood considered special interest?

RedWingFan wrote:

RockinDeano wrote:Dave, please explain to me this. In the last 6 years, the republicans have controlled all 3 houses. They lied and led us into a bullshit war, based on lies and misconception.

You mean Saddam and Iraq didn't violate all those UN resolutions

RockinDeano wrote:Being in control means taking responsibility. Apparently, the GOP doesn't take any responsiblity for anything. You think Clinton had scandals? This administration is going down as the most corrupt in American history.

When Republicans get involved in scandals they're forced to resign. Democrats on the other hand are promoted ala William Jefferson, Barney Frank..etc...etc..

RockinDeano wrote:I am not entering into another Rep v Dem fight.

I know cuz when you're confronted with facts like these you head for the hills

Please. You are saying we had to go to war in Iraq? Fuck, it was pressing...Man, we had to get rid of Saddam right then and there. I find this very odd. The president says we went into Iraq based on WMD. The Vice President however, claims Iraq was part of 9/11. Now, the entire story is being re-written in mid stream, to have everyone believe that we are doing it for democracy. I am confused. Must be way over my head.

Hey, what's the big deal? Sending thousands and thousands of Americans, many kids into a desert waste land, to fight for whatever reason, as long as they aren't your kids, or as long as it isn't you who has to go over there. These republican leaders, I use the term loosely, are sure tough when it comes to war, as long as their asses aren't the ones being shot at. Lie? No biggie. Mislead? Hey that was Powell, not Bush or Dick. Wolfowitz? Architect of the war, and not a very good one at that, he conveniently split and now heads up the World Monetary Bank. Rumsfeld? Swore he was staying to the end, shoulder to shoulder with the president. Democrats kicked GOP ass in the mid terms, the next week, Rummy is hightailing it out of town. Hmmm, I must be confused. Surely these great leaders can't possibly be wrong? Now I know why Colin Powell said "fuck this."

No, they are worse than wrong. They started up a bullshit war for very personal reasons in which they all benefit, and the American people suffer. Oil. Haliburton. Kickbacks.

Hey, if you want to stand proudly behind this group of men, so be it. I would much rather be called a liberal or better yet a Democrat.

Harry Reid is right. The war is lost. Get real, and join the rest of the world.

Barb wrote:

ohsherrie wrote:First of all Dave, I don't think it's right to assume that anyone who votes Dem is Liberal and anyone who votes Rep is Conservative. That's not what the two party system is supposed to be about, but that's the way it's become. I think the reason it's become that way is because the Republican party has been bought and paid for by the major corporations, the gun lobby, the tobacco lobby(which really falls under the major corporation category) and the evangelical church(a huge unincorporated, moneymaking enterprise).

IMO, the Republican Party as it exists today in nothing more than a syndicate designed to take care of themselves politically and financially above all and everyone else. They don't give a shit about this country beyond what they can use it to their benefit for.

Do you think the Democratic party is not owned by special interest groups?

I think both parties are owned which is the reason I hate what's become the two party system in this country. I just happen to agree with more(not all) of the interests that own the Dems than the Reps. I think the owners of the Democratic Party care more about working people than the owners of the Reps.

If I thought there was any chance whatsoever of a third party that was somewhere between hell and high water winning I'd vote that way, but it's not going to happen. All the money is already earmarked and my interests fall more to the Democratic side than the Rep.

I hate most of what the Republican Party stands for and I like a lot of what the Democratic Party stands for. Ideally there would be a middle ground called Independent, but that's not going to happen.

RockinDeano wrote:Dave, please explain to me this. In the last 6 years, the republicans have controlled all 3 houses. They lied and led us into a bullshit war, based on lies and misconception. I just don't see how any of this is anyone other than republicans' fault.

Most of the top Democrats agreed with and/or authorized the war with Iraq. They are just as responsible as Republicans for the outcome of it. They would have done the same thing the Republican-controlled Congress did.

ohsherrie wrote:I think the reason it's become that way is because the Republican party has been bought and paid for by the major corporations, the gun lobby, the tobacco lobby(which really falls under the major corporation category) and the evangelical church(a huge unincorporated, moneymaking enterprise).

IMO, the Republican Party as it exists today in nothing more than a syndicate designed to take care of themselves politically and financially above all and everyone else. They don't give a shit about this country beyond what they can use it to their benefit for.

These statements are just as applicable to Democrats as they are to Republicans and I would argue even moreso. The Democrats are in controll of Congress now and we're seeing the same kind of things going on, i.e., back room deals, partisan bickering, etc.

conversationpc wrote:

RockinDeano wrote:Dave, please explain to me this. In the last 6 years, the republicans have controlled all 3 houses. They lied and led us into a bullshit war, based on lies and misconception. I just don't see how any of this is anyone other than republicans' fault.

Most of the top Democrats agreed with and/or authorized the war with Iraq. They are just as responsible as Republicans for the outcome of it. They would have done the same thing the Republican-controlled Congress did.

Big difference Dave, by authorizing the War, only if and when the UN inspectors failed. They NEVER failed. They never found anything of consequence.

Also, Democrats authorized the use of force, but they sure didn't authorize incompetence, corruption and lies. BIG Differences.

But hey, don't take my word for it. The voters spoke. Did you happen to see the results of the Mid Terms? I can tell you that the Republicans got their collective asses kicked and we're only halfway done. In 08, they are getting the rest of their asses booted out on a rail. Good. Enough of this shit.

RockinDeano wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

RockinDeano wrote:Dave, please explain to me this. In the last 6 years, the republicans have controlled all 3 houses. They lied and led us into a bullshit war, based on lies and misconception.

You mean Saddam and Iraq didn't violate all those UN resolutions

RockinDeano wrote:Being in control means taking responsibility. Apparently, the GOP doesn't take any responsiblity for anything. You think Clinton had scandals? This administration is going down as the most corrupt in American history.

When Republicans get involved in scandals they're forced to resign. Democrats on the other hand are promoted ala William Jefferson, Barney Frank..etc...etc..

RockinDeano wrote:I am not entering into another Rep v Dem fight.

I know cuz when you're confronted with facts like these you head for the hills

Please. You are saying we had to go to war in Iraq? Fuck, it was pressing...Man, we had to get rid of Saddam right then and there. I find this very odd. The president says we went into Iraq based on WMD.

The president gave about a half dozen reasons, WMD's only being 1. WMD's is what the liberals and their accomplices in the media jumped on to discredit America and defend Saddam.

RockinDeano wrote:The Vice President however, claims Iraq was part of 9/11. Now, the entire story is being re-written in mid stream, to have everyone believe that we are doing it for democracy. I am confused. Must be way over my head.

If terrorists were everywhere else in the world EXCEPT Iraq (which is bullshit) They are there now, we need to keep killin' em. But then again I'm pro Freedom/American and stuff

RockinDeano wrote:Hey, what's the big deal? Sending thousands and thousands of Americans, many kids into a desert waste land, to fight for whatever reason, as long as they aren't your kids, or as long as it isn't you who has to go over there.

Well I may agree with the one's that were drafted But whenever I see a soldier that has come back from Iraq, or an old timer who served on Iwo Jima or WWII I always make a point to shake their hand and thank them. I'm also waiting for a company to start selling "soldier credits" like "carbon credits" for me to buy

RockinDeano wrote:No, theyare worse than wrong. They started up a bullshit war for very personal reasons in which they all benefit, and the American people suffer. Oil. Haliburton. Kickbacks.

Dude you might as well throw in Walmart and all the rest of America who are the Democrats enemies. I'll blame Saddam's refusal to comply with U.N. sanctions.

RockinDeano wrote:Hey, if you want to stand proudly behind this group of men, so be it. I would much rather be called a liberal or better yet a Democrat.

Harry Reid is right. The war is lost. Get real, and join the rest of the world.

Congratulations Dean you're a loser! Congrat's on Clinton successfully prosecuted the '93 WTC bombers as Al Qaeda drew up plans for 9/11. You sound like a Euro. Fail to brush your teeth this morning?

conversationpc wrote:

RockinDeano wrote:Dave, please explain to me this. In the last 6 years, the republicans have controlled all 3 houses. They lied and led us into a bullshit war, based on lies and misconception. I just don't see how any of this is anyone other than republicans' fault.

Most of the top Democrats agreed with and/or authorized the war with Iraq. They are just as responsible as Republicans for the outcome of it. They would have done the same thing the Republican-controlled Congress did.

ohsherrie wrote:I think the reason it's become that way is because the Republican party has been bought and paid for by the major corporations, the gun lobby, the tobacco lobby(which really falls under the major corporation category) and the evangelical church(a huge unincorporated, moneymaking enterprise).

IMO, the Republican Party as it exists today in nothing more than a syndicate designed to take care of themselves politically and financially above all and everyone else. They don't give a shit about this country beyond what they can use it to their benefit for.

These statements are just as applicable to Democrats as they are to Republicans and I would argue even moreso. The Democrats are in controll of Congress now and we're seeing the same kind of things going on, i.e., back room deals, partisan bickering, etc.

I'm not saying there are no back room deals going on, I'm sure there are. What I'm saying is that the backroom deals made by Dems have a better chance of doing something good for the working people of this country than those made by Reps.

RedWingFan wrote:You mean like the UAW and the money and votes of the teachers union that keeps our kids trapped in a failing system? Or the ambulance chaser union? The ACLU? Is Hollywood considered special interest?

Not feeling the energy to debate, but I have to speak to the Teachers' Union comment. As a teacher I'll be the first to say I think our union is pretty much pathetic, but the union is not responsible in keeping students trapped in a failing system. I work for Los Angeles Unified, close to the worst of the worst. Our Dem Mayor wants to get involved in the district and has been blocked by the board and the union- big mistake I say. There is the usual bureaucratic BS of the board and wasted money, but ultimately the failing education system is controlled by the state and fed gpovernments. Our union demanded and received reduced class sizes for our high schools and middle schools. Our union may not be the best, but they are not the reason our education system sucks. As Bill Mahr said yers ago regarding Gore and Bush- I'd rather be in the pockets of Buddhists than big oil.

Lula wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:You mean like the UAW and the money and votes of the teachers union that keeps our kids trapped in a failing system? Or the ambulance chaser union? The ACLU? Is Hollywood considered special interest?

Not feeling the energy to debate, but I have to speak to the Teachers' Union comment. As a teacher I'll be the first to say I think our union is pretty much pathetic, but the union is not responsible in keeping students trapped in a failing system. I work for Los Angeles Unified, close to the worst of the worst. Our Dem Mayor wants to get involved in the district and has been blocked by the board and the union- big mistake I say. There is the usual bureaucratic BS of the board and wasted money, but ultimately the failing education system is controlled by the state and fed gpovernments. Our union demanded and received reduced class sizes for our high schools and middle schools. Our union may not be the best, but they are not the reason our education system sucks. As Bill Mahr said yers ago regarding Gore and Bush- I'd rather be in the pockets of Buddhists than big oil.

Well forcing me or anyone to pay $ to a system/bureaucracy that fails us for whatever reasons is the problem. There's no competition! I pay or I go to jail, and the people who complain about no bid contracts for Halliburton support this
People should be free to send their kids to whatever school they want. Not only would that help those who choose something different. It would help the kids in the public system by forcing the public schools to compete!

Lula wrote:
Not feeling the energy to debate, but I have to speak to the Teachers' Union comment. As a teacher I'll be the first to say I think our union is pretty much pathetic, but the union is not responsible in keeping students trapped in a failing system. I work for Los Angeles Unified, close to the worst of the worst. Our Dem Mayor wants to get involved in the district and has been blocked by the board and the union- big mistake I say. There is the usual bureaucratic BS of the board and wasted money, but ultimately the failing education system is controlled by the state and fed gpovernments. Our union demanded and received reduced class sizes for our high schools and middle schools. Our union may not be the best, but they are not the reason our education system sucks. As Bill Mahr said yers ago regarding Gore and Bush- I'd rather be in the pockets of Buddhists than big oil.

Lula, I hope you have good insurance through your job? California sure seems to have many troubles.

Heart wrote:

Lula wrote:
Not feeling the energy to debate, but I have to speak to the Teachers' Union comment. As a teacher I'll be the first to say I think our union is pretty much pathetic, but the union is not responsible in keeping students trapped in a failing system. I work for Los Angeles Unified, close to the worst of the worst. Our Dem Mayor wants to get involved in the district and has been blocked by the board and the union- big mistake I say. There is the usual bureaucratic BS of the board and wasted money, but ultimately the failing education system is controlled by the state and fed gpovernments. Our union demanded and received reduced class sizes for our high schools and middle schools. Our union may not be the best, but they are not the reason our education system sucks. As Bill Mahr said yers ago regarding Gore and Bush- I'd rather be in the pockets of Buddhists than big oil.

Lula, I hope you have good insurance through your job? California sure seems to have many troubles.

Oh, every other state is just gliding along, right?

Heart wrote:

Lula wrote:
Not feeling the energy to debate, but I have to speak to the Teachers' Union comment. As a teacher I'll be the first to say I think our union is pretty much pathetic, but the union is not responsible in keeping students trapped in a failing system. I work for Los Angeles Unified, close to the worst of the worst. Our Dem Mayor wants to get involved in the district and has been blocked by the board and the union- big mistake I say. There is the usual bureaucratic BS of the board and wasted money, but ultimately the failing education system is controlled by the state and fed gpovernments. Our union demanded and received reduced class sizes for our high schools and middle schools. Our union may not be the best, but they are not the reason our education system sucks. As Bill Mahr said yers ago regarding Gore and Bush- I'd rather be in the pockets of Buddhists than big oil.

Lula, I hope you have good insurance through your job? California sure seems to have many troubles.

LOL! One thing the union has done for us teachers in LAUSD is get us great benefits. We may not be high on the pay scale, but we are compensated with our health insurance.... whew!!

RockinDeano wrote:

Heart wrote:

Lula wrote:
Not feeling the energy to debate, but I have to speak to the Teachers' Union comment. As a teacher I'll be the first to say I think our union is pretty much pathetic, but the union is not responsible in keeping students trapped in a failing system. I work for Los Angeles Unified, close to the worst of the worst. Our Dem Mayor wants to get involved in the district and has been blocked by the board and the union- big mistake I say. There is the usual bureaucratic BS of the board and wasted money, but ultimately the failing education system is controlled by the state and fed gpovernments. Our union demanded and received reduced class sizes for our high schools and middle schools. Our union may not be the best, but they are not the reason our education system sucks. As Bill Mahr said yers ago regarding Gore and Bush- I'd rather be in the pockets of Buddhists than big oil.

Lula, I hope you have good insurance through your job? California sure seems to have many troubles.

Oh, every other state is just gliding along, right?

Michigan's fucked too! Granholm, Levin and Stabbenow Corporations are flocking across the border so fast our heads are spinning. Here's a great article about all the new taxes we're getting slapped with and Comerica leaving. http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial ... =110009763

We could go live in Idaho and jack each other off for entertainment. What do you say?

RockinDeano wrote:We could go live in Idaho and jack each other off for entertainment. What do you say?

Dude I'm not into that "Brokeback" stuff

RedWingFan wrote:

RockinDeano wrote:We could go live in Idaho and jack each other off for entertainment. What do you say?

Dude I'm not into that "Brokeback" stuff

Me neither, but hey, Idaho has snow, potatoes and low taxes, but nothing else. Shithole.

RockinDeano wrote:

RedWingFan wrote:

RockinDeano wrote:We could go live in Idaho and jack each other off for entertainment. What do you say?

Dude I'm not into that "Brokeback" stuff

Me neither, but hey, Idaho has snow, potatoes and low taxes, but nothing else. Shithole.

Hey there are probably people here that are from Idaho. I'm keeping track of the companies fleeing Michigan and thinking of hitching a ride. Comerica fled to Dallas. Nothing's gone to Idaho yet! I love potato soup and baked potatoes And everyone love french fries. You know you do too Dean

Lula wrote:

Heart wrote:

Lula wrote:
Not feeling the energy to debate, but I have to speak to the Teachers' Union comment. As a teacher I'll be the first to say I think our union is pretty much pathetic, but the union is not responsible in keeping students trapped in a failing system. I work for Los Angeles Unified, close to the worst of the worst. Our Dem Mayor wants to get involved in the district and has been blocked by the board and the union- big mistake I say. There is the usual bureaucratic BS of the board and wasted money, but ultimately the failing education system is controlled by the state and fed gpovernments. Our union demanded and received reduced class sizes for our high schools and middle schools. Our union may not be the best, but they are not the reason our education system sucks. As Bill Mahr said yers ago regarding Gore and Bush- I'd rather be in the pockets of Buddhists than big oil.

Lula, I hope you have good insurance through your job? California sure seems to have many troubles.

LOL! One thing the union has done for us teachers in LAUSD is get us great benefits. We may not be high on the pay scale, but we are compensated with our health insurance.... whew!!

That is good news. I wasn't slamming California by the way, think its a beautiful state. Its in the news so much though with its issues being bordered with Mexico, the huge homeless population due to nice weather that supports, the high taxes, the growing population, etc. etc. I live in Rhode Island, we have many many problems. We have a huge group of wealthy and huge group of poverty. There is very little middle here.