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Postby Enigma869 » Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:36 am

I just read the story and quotes from Jonathan Cain being interested in Journey's "legacy". Is this guy fucking serious???? Listen...If you want to say Soto didn't sound anything like Perry, I agree 100%, but these are the guys who hired Jeff, even knowing he sounded nothing like Perry! This shit about "we want to sound like we sounded on our albums" is fucking hilarious to me! Someone should probably break the news to Cain...that ship has sailed! Perry isn't walking through that door, Cain!

Listen up Cain and Schon...You're not going to find anyone out there who sounds like Perry! The guy is a fucking legend for a reason! He was and is one of a kind who you've been trying to replicate through 10 years and two singers. It isn't happening! As Brian May so aptly put it....Perry's voice was one in a million, and this coming from a guy who played with the great Freddie Mercury! At this point, all you're doing is alienating the most loyal fan base on the planet!

Schon and Cain are really starting to look like a couple of clowns. It's like the blind leading the blind! My issue with these guys isn't even that they fired Jeff...It's that they hired the guy in the first place. Jeff is who he is, and these guys have been in the music business long enough to know what they were getting, and that they weren't getting Steve Perry!

I think if Schon and Cain are genuinely concerned about the legacy of the name Journey and what it means to so many people, they probably should have thought about that ten years ago when they decided to move on without Perry! The more I recall the VH1 BTM, the more Perry sounds like a genius to me! These guys just don't get it! They should probably check their music almanacs to figure out the last band that had 4 lead singers in their history, let alone in 10 years!

As I've said 1000 times and will repeat again...Journey will NEVER, EVER, EVER be musically relevant again, in this lifetime! They had their moment in the spotlight, but that light has long since burnt out! It's really time for these guys to move on with their lives, and stop rolling out the "flavor of the month" for their loyal fans to ingest! Perhaps the one silver lining of all of this is that Schon may come to the conclusion of just how remarkable what Perry did was! I think Schon has been looking for a Perry replacement since Perry moved on, and he's apparently not going to stop until science figures out how to clone the 1983 Steve Perry! Good luck with that, Neal!


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Postby Saint John » Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:45 am

These guys CLEARLY used Jeff to bail them out. They threw empty promises at him to be sure that he gave every ounce at every show. My prediction that he would be thrown away like a "disposable razor" was 100% correct. What shocks me is everyone elses shock at Friga and Cain. Didn't Tapegate teach you guys how low they are? And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.
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Re: Jonathan Cain Needs To Get a Freakin' Clue!!!!!

Postby Eric » Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:47 am

Cain is irellevant. He had a great writing string for a few years with Perry a million years ago and now anyone could fill his role. I'm tellin ya: Schon/Soto/Castronovo/Blades
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Postby Rick » Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:49 am

Saint John wrote:These guys CLEARLY used Jeff to bail them out. They threw empty promises at him to be sure that he gave every ounce at every show. My prediction that he would be thrown away like a "disposable razor" was 100% correct. What shocks me is everyone elses shock at Friga and Cain. Didn't Tapegate teach you guys how low they are? And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.


And you are 100% absolutely correct. I wouldn't doubt they shoved SA in front of that mic every night and said do what you can. Money grubbin fuckers.
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Postby SusieP » Fri Jun 15, 2007 5:59 am

Could it be that clever as the two of them are with their instruments and composing, that they might just not have much common sense?
That they just speak before they think things through?
That maybe they announced JSS as permanent replacement for SA before they'd thought through whether he was what they wanted?
I never met them, so to those who have met them....are they intelligent?
Just wondering.
I'm not excusing them, I hate how they've gone about this and I want to knock their heads together, then give Jeff a big hug - BUT is it a case of "forgive them for they know not what they do?"
Or are they just ruthless, unfeeling gits?
Those who've met them, please give me an insight into what they are like?

You can't reason with someone who is thick - but you can teach them some manners.
I'd like to teach them a thing or two. Whether they are stupid or not :twisted:
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Postby jrnysc » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:04 am

SusieP wrote:Could it be that clever as the two of them are with their instruments and composing, that they might just not have much common sense?
That they just speak before they think things through?
That maybe they announced JSS as permanent replacement for SA before they'd thought through whether he was what they wanted?
I never met them, so to those who have met them....are they intelligent?
Just wondering.
I'm not excusing them, I hate how they've gone about this and I want to knock their heads together, then give Jeff a big hug - BUT is it a case of "forgive them for they know not what they do?"
Or are they just ruthless, unfeeling gits?
Those who've met them, please give me an insight into what they are like?

You can't reason with someone who is thick - but you can teach them some manners.
I'd like to teach them a thing or two. Whether they are stupid or not :twisted:


I know Jon is quite arrogant. Common sense I don't know. I remember Herbie said none of them could manage a hot dog stand. Sounds about right to me.
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Postby Rockindeano » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:06 am

Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.


I'll go second.

I apologize to Steve Augeri. Dude, I really am sorry. I was wrong. Call me, we'll throw beers in South Bend.
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Postby Just_Plain_Eric » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:10 am

I think Cain was well characterized by Herbie in that long interview posted a few years back...nuff said

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Postby SusieP » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:10 am

jrnysc wrote:
SusieP wrote:Could it be that clever as the two of them are with their instruments and composing, that they might just not have much common sense?
That they just speak before they think things through?
That maybe they announced JSS as permanent replacement for SA before they'd thought through whether he was what they wanted?
I never met them, so to those who have met them....are they intelligent?
Just wondering.
I'm not excusing them, I hate how they've gone about this and I want to knock their heads together, then give Jeff a big hug - BUT is it a case of "forgive them for they know not what they do?"
Or are they just ruthless, unfeeling gits?
Those who've met them, please give me an insight into what they are like?

You can't reason with someone who is thick - but you can teach them some manners.
I'd like to teach them a thing or two. Whether they are stupid or not :twisted:


I know Jon is quite arrogant. Common sense I don't know. I remember Herbie said none of them could manage a hot dog stand. Sounds about right to me.




So they are stupid AND unfeeling.
What a combination.
:roll:


I feel bad about how Augeri was treated [he was struggling vocally and deserved time out to heal, not pressure to perform on damaged chords.]
and I feel bad about how JSS has been used, abused and chucked so unceremoniously out.

I believe in Karma, and I really wish it would hurry up and dish it out to those two.
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Postby Enigma869 » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:40 am

Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.


I'm not sure the Jeff situation is analogous to the Augeri situation. Augeri was clearly having vocal problems, that were pretty well documented. I think the bottom line with Schon and Cain is that they're both looking to re-capture their glory years, some 25 years after their prime! I can't believe it hasn't occurred to either one of these geniuses that their glory years walked out the door with Perry's hip 10 years ago! I don't care whether Schon created the band Journey or not. It will never change the fact that without Perry's voice, Schon isn't selling out a Knights of Columbus Hall!


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Postby NealIsGod » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:52 am

RockinDeano wrote:
Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.


I'll go second.

I apologize to Steve Augeri. Dude, I really am sorry. I was wrong. Call me, we'll throw beers in South Bend.


Now I know this is all just a bad dream... :shock:
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Re: Jonathan Cain Needs To Get a Freakin' Clue!!!!!

Postby chad » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:55 am

Enigma869 wrote:I just read the story and quotes from Jonathan Cain being interested in Journey's "legacy". Is this guy fucking serious???? Listen...If you want to say Soto didn't sound anything like Perry, I agree 100%, but these are the guys who hired Jeff, even knowing he sounded nothing like Perry! This shit about "we want to sound like we sounded on our albums" is fucking hilarious to me! Someone should probably break the news to Cain...that ship has sailed! Perry isn't walking through that door, Cain!

Listen up Cain and Schon...You're not going to find anyone out there who sounds like Perry! The guy is a fucking legend for a reason! He was and is one of a kind who you've been trying to replicate through 10 years and two singers. It isn't happening! As Brian May so aptly put it....Perry's voice was one in a million, and this coming from a guy who played with the great Freddie Mercury! At this point, all you're doing is alienating the most loyal fan base on the planet!

Schon and Cain are really starting to look like a couple of clowns. It's like the blind leading the blind! My issue with these guys isn't even that they fired Jeff...It's that they hired the guy in the first place. Jeff is who he is, and these guys have been in the music business long enough to know what they were getting, and that they weren't getting Steve Perry!

I think if Schon and Cain are genuinely concerned about the legacy of the name Journey and what it means to so many people, they probably should have thought about that ten years ago when they decided to move on without Perry! The more I recall the VH1 BTM, the more Perry sounds like a genius to me! These guys just don't get it! They should probably check their music almanacs to figure out the last band that had 4 lead singers in their history, let alone in 10 years!

As I've said 1000 times and will repeat again...Journey will NEVER, EVER, EVER be musically relevant again, in this lifetime! They had their moment in the spotlight, but that light has long since burnt out! It's really time for these guys to move on with their lives, and stop rolling out the "flavor of the month" for their loyal fans to ingest! Perhaps the one silver lining of all of this is that Schon may come to the conclusion of just how remarkable what Perry did was! I think Schon has been looking for a Perry replacement since Perry moved on, and he's apparently not going to stop until science figures out how to clone the 1983 Steve Perry! Good luck with that, Neal!


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Re: Jonathan Cain Needs To Get a Freakin' Clue!!!!!

Postby Deb » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:56 am

Enigma869 wrote:I just read the story and quotes from Jonathan Cain being interested in Journey's "legacy". Is this guy fucking serious???? Listen...If you want to say Soto didn't sound anything like Perry, I agree 100%, but these are the guys who hired Jeff, even knowing he sounded nothing like Perry! This shit about "we want to sound like we sounded on our albums" is fucking hilarious to me! Someone should probably break the news to Cain...that ship has sailed! Perry isn't walking through that door, Cain!

Listen up Cain and Schon...You're not going to find anyone out there who sounds like Perry! The guy is a fucking legend for a reason! He was and is one of a kind who you've been trying to replicate through 10 years and two singers. It isn't happening! As Brian May so aptly put it....Perry's voice was one in a million, and this coming from a guy who played with the great Freddie Mercury! At this point, all you're doing is alienating the most loyal fan base on the planet!

Schon and Cain are really starting to look like a couple of clowns. It's like the blind leading the blind! My issue with these guys isn't even that they fired Jeff...It's that they hired the guy in the first place. Jeff is who he is, and these guys have been in the music business long enough to know what they were getting, and that they weren't getting Steve Perry!

I think if Schon and Cain are genuinely concerned about the legacy of the name Journey and what it means to so many people, they probably should have thought about that ten years ago when they decided to move on without Perry! The more I recall the VH1 BTM, the more Perry sounds like a genius to me! These guys just don't get it! They should probably check their music almanacs to figure out the last band that had 4 lead singers in their history, let alone in 10 years!

As I've said 1000 times and will repeat again...Journey will NEVER, EVER, EVER be musically relevant again, in this lifetime! They had their moment in the spotlight, but that light has long since burnt out! It's really time for these guys to move on with their lives, and stop rolling out the "flavor of the month" for their loyal fans to ingest! Perhaps the one silver lining of all of this is that Schon may come to the conclusion of just how remarkable what Perry did was! I think Schon has been looking for a Perry replacement since Perry moved on, and he's apparently not going to stop until science figures out how to clone the 1983 Steve Perry! Good luck with that, Neal!


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Postby brywool » Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:58 am

RockinDeano wrote:
Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.


I'll go second.

I apologize to Steve Augeri. Dude, I really am sorry. I was wrong. Call me, we'll throw beers in South Bend.



HOLY SHIT!!!

Wasn't this one of the signs in Revelations??

"Deano will publicly apologize to Steve Augeri. Only then will I come"

Just yankin' ya Deano!
NO. He's NOT Steve F'ing Perry. But he's Arnel F'ing Pineda and I'm okay with that.
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Postby Waysted » Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:03 am

Enigma869 wrote:
Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.


I'm not sure the Jeff situation is analogous to the Augeri situation. Augeri was clearly having vocal problems, that were pretty well documented. I think the bottom line with Schon and Cain is that they're both looking to re-capture their glory years, some 25 years after their prime! I can't believe it hasn't occurred to either one of these geniuses that their glory years walked out the door with Perry's hip 10 years ago! I don't care whether Schon created the band Journey or not. It will never change the fact that without Perry's voice, Schon isn't selling out a Knights of Columbus Hall!


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Respectfully, I do see them as being very closely related. In both cases, the "Band" used them for what they needed. Once they were satisfied they could get nothing more from either of these fine vocalists (yes, I have been a fan of both for quite some time), they were ousted in a manor that best fit the image of the remaining members. Steve was thrown under a bus, and Jeff was made to look like he walked away on his own decision. All the while, the casual fan still thinking nothing was going on, and everyone involved (with the exception of Steve A., if they even knew about that) was clean throughout.
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Re: Jonathan Cain Needs To Get a Freakin' Clue!!!!!

Postby *Laura » Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:18 am

Enigma869 wrote:Journey will NEVER, EVER, EVER be musically relevant again, in this lifetime! They had their moment in the spotlight, but that light has long since burnt out! It's really time for these guys to move on with their lives, and stop rolling out the "flavor of the month" for their loyal fans to ingest! Perhaps the one silver lining of all of this is that Schon may come to the conclusion of just how remarkable what Perry did was! I think Schon has been looking for a Perry replacement since Perry moved on, and he's apparently not going to stop until science figures out how to clone the 1983 Steve Perry! Good luck with that, Neal!

The above quote makes me believe even more that Jeff was only used to save their asses last year and make sure they finish the Tour in full glory.
It's obvious that Jeff was not a Perry clone,but THAT was the secret of moving on,of proving that they can get out of the loop they've been in since '98!
Jeff was such a big shot in the arm of this band.They took the fresh blood than threw the donor out the door.Way to thank someone who saved your life,huh?

In the light of everything that happened lately,I am tempted to believe that Journey are prisoners of their own past,bittered by their own mistakes,condemned to repeat history until there will be nothing left but disgruntled fans who will turn their backs on a bunch of musicians who terminate their best assets -- the frontmen.


Your entire post was very well thought out,John.Thanks for writing it. :)
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Postby ohsherrie » Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:21 am

Brilliant post John from Boston. In fact, two of them. :wink:
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Postby dcvader » Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:25 am

RockinDeano wrote:
Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.


I'll go second.

I apologize to Steve Augeri. Dude, I really am sorry. I was wrong. Call me, we'll throw beers in South Bend.


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Postby Ms_M » Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:45 am

NealIsGod wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.


I'll go second.

I apologize to Steve Augeri. Dude, I really am sorry. I was wrong. Call me, we'll throw beers in South Bend.


Now I know this is all just a bad dream... :shock:


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Postby Enigma869 » Fri Jun 15, 2007 7:57 am

Waysted wrote:Respectfully, I do see them as being very closely related. In both cases, the "Band" used them for what they needed. Once they were satisfied they could get nothing more from either of these fine vocalists (yes, I have been a fan of both for quite some time), they were ousted in a manor that best fit the image of the remaining members. Steve was thrown under a bus, and Jeff was made to look like he walked away on his own decision. All the while, the casual fan still thinking nothing was going on, and everyone involved (with the exception of Steve A., if they even knew about that) was clean throughout.


Respectfully, we can agree to disagree. Again, I just don't think these two situations really have anything to do with each other. I'm not going to get too caught up in the semantics of who was using whom, as in the music business, everyone is ultimately using someone else's talent to accomplish their own gig and pay their own bills!

Steve Augeri was a member of Journey for 9 long years. Jeff didn't even make it a year. Augeri, by all accounts, was having some MAJOR vocal issues and simply wasn't physically capable of singing any longer. To my knowledge, there have been no claims that Jeff has lost his ability to sing! The only two things that these guys had in common was the fact that they are both now a part of Journey's permanent history, and both will be nothing more than a footnote in that history!

The one thing I will say is that I don't think what has occurred with Jeff somehow lets Augeri, Cain, Schon, Valory, and Castronovo off the hook for the entire tapegate debacle. I had a feeling that it probably wouldn't be long after this news had broken before someone tried to cannonize Augeri. Again, one has ZERO to do with the other! I know that for me personally, I will NEVER excuse the fraud that all 5 of those guys perpetrated on their paying fans! I continue to listen to the music because of my connection to the music, but, I would not pay a nickel to go see these guys in concert! Neal can pay his light bill without any help from my wallet!


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Postby Saint John » Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:01 am

RockinDeano wrote:
Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.


I'll go second.

I apologize to Steve Augeri. Dude, I really am sorry. I was wrong. Call me, we'll throw beers in South Bend.



Cool you're on board. As the truth begins to really surface and we find out who the real villians have been for the better part of 11 years (I can see why Perry bailed on these Judas's) one thing has become very clear to me. Schon is a man stuck with a 16 year old boy's mentality. The guy really never went to school. He never had neighborhood friends. The type of guys you sat with in your teenage years and drank beer with. The guys that had your back in a fight. The guys that you now meet up with a couple times a year and reminisce with. Rather, he grew up on the road, more specifically in and out of motels. He was exposed to a cut throat business. It's all he knows. His life has been comprised of "the next gig" artificial friends, shallow relationships, "hot chicks" at bars, and back to "the next gig." He's missing something. He doesn't know what being a friend means. I'm not real sure he's ever had one.

Enter Friga...the smart one. He realizes this. He sees right through Schon. He sees that he's weak (and pretty much stupid). Perry exits. Friga pounces. He talks Neal into letting him "have the keys to the car." Friga and Schon set off together. One's a dumbass still seeking out those "hot chicks" and the other one just cares about $$$$. And as long as there's enough $$$ and "the next gig" Neal has no problem letting Friga "drive the car." Enter Jeff. Mentally and physically young. Enthusiastic, artistic and motivated. Emotionally sound, secure and loyal. Passionate. Red Flags everywhere for Friga. Especially considering Neal digs this guy. Neal feels 16 again, which is now in tandem with the way he acts. Friga lures Jeff in. He PRETENDS to be warming up to him. What's the old saying: "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." He works Neal. He convinces Fro that Jeff doesn't belong. That with him, there might not be "the next gig." Fro, who has no sense of allegiance, of loyalty or decency bites. They whack Jeff. The act is SO cowardly that neither have the decency to face him. They sever all ties and plot "the next gig." Scumbags.
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Postby Behshad » Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:08 am

RockinDeano wrote:
Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.


I'll go second.

I apologize to Steve Augeri. Dude, I really am sorry. I was wrong. Call me, we'll throw beers in South Bend.



I cant belive you would apologize to him. Just cause Neal and Jon are the 'bad guys' right now, it doesnt justify Auggies Lippin!
We just know that it wasnt entirley HIS fault, but still.....

In his case, it's ok to forgive, but not forget and most definately not APOLOIGIZE!
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Postby Rockindeano » Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:14 am

No, I was 100% wrong. I slayed Augeri and now I must face the truth. Steve could've walked off I suppose, but there's more to it than that. What the entire organization did was despicable.

Boy could I write a book about this......but would be sued faster than Richard Simmons sucking off Manarocks.
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Postby Saint John » Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:21 am

Behshad wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.


I'll go second.

I apologize to Steve Augeri. Dude, I really am sorry. I was wrong. Call me, we'll throw beers in South Bend.



I cant belive you would apologize to him. Just cause Neal and Jon are the 'bad guys' right now, it doesnt justify Auggies Lippin!
We just know that it wasnt entirley HIS fault, but still.....

In his case, it's ok to forgive, but not forget and most definately not APOLOIGIZE!




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Re: Jonathan Cain Needs To Get a Freakin' Clue!!!!!

Postby McNeil » Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:24 am

Enigma869 wrote:I just read the story and quotes from Jonathan Cain being interested in Journey's "legacy". Is this guy fucking serious???? Listen...If you want to say Soto didn't sound anything like Perry, I agree 100%, but these are the guys who hired Jeff, even knowing he sounded nothing like Perry! This shit about "we want to sound like we sounded on our albums" is fucking hilarious to me! Someone should probably break the news to Cain...that ship has sailed! Perry isn't walking through that door, Cain!

Listen up Cain and Schon...You're not going to find anyone out there who sounds like Perry! The guy is a fucking legend for a reason! He was and is one of a kind who you've been trying to replicate through 10 years and two singers. It isn't happening! As Brian May so aptly put it....Perry's voice was one in a million, and this coming from a guy who played with the great Freddie Mercury! At this point, all you're doing is alienating the most loyal fan base on the planet!

Schon and Cain are really starting to look like a couple of clowns. It's like the blind leading the blind! My issue with these guys isn't even that they fired Jeff...It's that they hired the guy in the first place. Jeff is who he is, and these guys have been in the music business long enough to know what they were getting, and that they weren't getting Steve Perry!

I think if Schon and Cain are genuinely concerned about the legacy of the name Journey and what it means to so many people, they probably should have thought about that ten years ago when they decided to move on without Perry! The more I recall the VH1 BTM, the more Perry sounds like a genius to me! These guys just don't get it! They should probably check their music almanacs to figure out the last band that had 4 lead singers in their history, let alone in 10 years!

As I've said 1000 times and will repeat again...Journey will NEVER, EVER, EVER be musically relevant again, in this lifetime! They had their moment in the spotlight, but that light has long since burnt out! It's really time for these guys to move on with their lives, and stop rolling out the "flavor of the month" for their loyal fans to ingest! Perhaps the one silver lining of all of this is that Schon may come to the conclusion of just how remarkable what Perry did was! I think Schon has been looking for a Perry replacement since Perry moved on, and he's apparently not going to stop until science figures out how to clone the 1983 Steve Perry! Good luck with that, Neal!


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Wrong..Jeremey has that voice...the voice... identical!! ...which negates your whole post!

science doesnt need to do its bit..no cloning neccessary... Jeremey is already here!
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Postby Wheels Of Fyre » Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:26 am

RockinDeano wrote:No, I was 100% wrong. I slayed Augeri and now I must face the truth. Steve could've walked off I suppose, but there's more to it than that. What the entire organization did was despicable.

Boy could I write a book about this......but would be sued faster than Richard Simmons sucking off Manarocks.


What pisses me off is that you, TNC, and so many others gave SA absolutely ZERO consideration that Tapegate was more than him.

I argued up and down that for as much as we knew and/or THOUGHT we knew there's NO WAY we knew ALL of the circumstances as to WHY SA hid behind the tapes. It was just, "There's NO justifiable reason." That was nothing more than a Neanderthal, gut level, reaction void of any logic or reasoning.

I don't think SA could've walked off even if he wanted to OR more importantly without some kind of devastating legal action.
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Postby Saint John » Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:36 am

Wheels Of Fyre wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:No, I was 100% wrong. I slayed Augeri and now I must face the truth. Steve could've walked off I suppose, but there's more to it than that. What the entire organization did was despicable.

Boy could I write a book about this......but would be sued faster than Richard Simmons sucking off Manarocks.


What pisses me off is that you, TNC, and so many others gave SA absolutely ZERO consideration that Tapegate was more than him.

I argued up and down that for as much as we knew and/or THOUGHT we knew there's NO WAY we knew ALL of the circumstances as to WHY SA hid behind the tapes. It was just, "There's NO justifiable reason." That was nothing more than a Neanderthal, gut level, reaction void of any logic or reasoning.

I don't think SA could've walked off even if he wanted to OR more importantly without some kind of devastating legal action.



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Re: Jonathan Cain Needs To Get a Freakin' Clue!!!!!

Postby Enigma869 » Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:41 am

McNeil wrote:Wrong..Jeremey has that voice...the voice... identical!! ...which negates your whole post!

science doesnt need to do its bit..no cloning neccessary... Jeremey is already here!


Listen McNutbag....

It doesn't "negate" anything! My post wasn't posted as gospel. It is nothing more than one person's opinion (my own)! I'm not going to turn this into a Jeremey post, because honestly this post has NOTHING to do with Jeremey. Jeremey is a great guy, who is immensely talented. That said...He isn't Perry, period! I've been listening to the Journey tribute band fans for years telling me how great Hugo is and some others. These guys are fans, just like I am, who happen to have the talent to sing and perform. I certainly don't begrudge them that. Having said that, none of these guys are Perry, and I think they would probably be the first to tell you that! I think the one thing Jeremey has that is a HUGE plus for him (if named the 4th guy) is that he looks nothing like Perry.

I just think Neal and Jon should come out and say "You know what...we're fucking idiots. Journey was nothing before Perry and has been nothing since Perry left us. We have tried like hell to find anyone on the planet who looks or sounds anything like him, to no avail. Even though it is still our fervent hope that there is a Steve Perry clone somewhere in this world, we are becoming more humbled by our never-ending search to replace THE VOICE that made us! Stay tuned to 2008 when we announce the next guy we think can give us the credibility we've been lacking, since Perry left. If after 6 months with the "lead singer of the moment" we have discovered that he isn't enough like Perry, we will resume our never-ending search! Thanks to our fans for being blindly loyal to the music that Steve Perry's voice brought to you. We will be back on the road in 2008 to suck more money out of your wallets! Journey on"!


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Re: Jonathan Cain Needs To Get a Freakin' Clue!!!!!

Postby McNeil » Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:47 am

Enigma869 wrote:
McNeil wrote:Wrong..Jeremey has that voice...the voice... identical!! ...which negates your whole post!

science doesnt need to do its bit..no cloning neccessary... Jeremey is already here!


Listen McNutbag....

It doesn't "negate" anything! My post wasn't posted as gospel. It is nothing more than one person's opinion (my own)! I'm not going to turn this into a Jeremey post, because honestly this post has NOTHING to do with Jeremey. Jeremey is a great guy, who is immensely talented. That said...He isn't Perry, period! I've been listening to the Journey tribute band fans for years telling me how great Hugo is and some others. These guys are fans, just like I am, who happen to have the talent to sing and perform. I certainly don't begrudge them that. Having said that, none of these guys are Perry, and I think they would probably be the first to tell you that! I think the one thing Jeremey has that is a HUGE plus for him (if named the 4th guy) is that he looks nothing like Perry.

I just think Neal and Jon should come out and say "You know what...we're fucking idiots. Journey was nothing before Perry and has been nothing since Perry left us. We have tried like hell to find anyone on the planet who looks or sounds anything like him, to no avail. Even though it is still our fervent hope that there is a Steve Perry clone somewhere in this world, we are becoming more humbled by our never-ending search to replace THE VOICE that made us! Stay tuned to 2008 when we announce the next guy we think can give us the credibility we've been lacking, since Perry left. If after 6 months with the "lead singer of the moment" we have discovered that he isn't enough like Perry, we will resume our never-ending search! Thanks to our fans for being blindly loyal to the music that Steve Perry's voice brought to you. We will be back on the road in 2008 to suck more money out of your wallets! Journey on"!


John from Boston


get off this thinly disguised "Bring back Perry" shit!! isnt that another thread elsewhere ... Jeremey is the nearest you are ever gonna get to it..so celebrate it!! be happy for the guy, without any caveats like.... "hes a great guy and is a brill singer, but! ...but fucking what??

what else is there to know?? ..great guy...great singer...one of you fucking own..... right from MR.... you are a mean spirited fucker.... for sure!

I hope Jeremey is takin notes here.... coz I sure as hell would be!

One things for sure... backstage passes are gonna be in short supply from J to his "buddies" here!

Face it,,, Cain and mop ead got it wrong.... some of us knew it... but we ..knuckled down to it..and JSS did a sterling job...but it was never Journey! .... youm either want Journey, and their "sound" or you should be on another forum, championing a different act.... whats it to be??

I want Journey, with the Perry voice...if it has to be Jeremeys Perry voice..then whats the frikkin prob with that?? cant you just imagine its Perry? is that so hard?

Grow up...stop masturbating to pics of Perry.... :?
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Postby Muggins » Fri Jun 15, 2007 9:06 am

This Jeremey guy might have the pipes and is young, but is he a seasoned veteran who can pull off 60 or more shows without any sign of weakness or strain? Has he done extensive tours to train his voice to cope with the ordeal of performing note perfect every single night, even when he's ill or run down. Does he realise that if he over compensates and doesn't rest he will end up like Augeri. The rest of the band don't care, they will just toss him aside and get another lead singer (although next time Jeff wont be there to answer their call). Sorry Jeremey, but your days are numbered pal, before you even start. I pity you for thinking that Journey will treat you with any respect. They will be smiling at you whilst looking for your replacement.

Journey have just sacked the one person who could have turned it all around and brought them back into the public eye and charts again. Don't look back Jeff, you are better off without them.

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