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Saint John wrote:These guys CLEARLY used Jeff to bail them out. They threw empty promises at him to be sure that he gave every ounce at every show. My prediction that he would be thrown away like a "disposable razor" was 100% correct. What shocks me is everyone elses shock at Friga and Cain. Didn't Tapegate teach you guys how low they are? And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.
SusieP wrote:Could it be that clever as the two of them are with their instruments and composing, that they might just not have much common sense?
That they just speak before they think things through?
That maybe they announced JSS as permanent replacement for SA before they'd thought through whether he was what they wanted?
I never met them, so to those who have met them....are they intelligent?
Just wondering.
I'm not excusing them, I hate how they've gone about this and I want to knock their heads together, then give Jeff a big hug - BUT is it a case of "forgive them for they know not what they do?"
Or are they just ruthless, unfeeling gits?
Those who've met them, please give me an insight into what they are like?
You can't reason with someone who is thick - but you can teach them some manners.
I'd like to teach them a thing or two. Whether they are stupid or not
Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.
jrnysc wrote:SusieP wrote:Could it be that clever as the two of them are with their instruments and composing, that they might just not have much common sense?
That they just speak before they think things through?
That maybe they announced JSS as permanent replacement for SA before they'd thought through whether he was what they wanted?
I never met them, so to those who have met them....are they intelligent?
Just wondering.
I'm not excusing them, I hate how they've gone about this and I want to knock their heads together, then give Jeff a big hug - BUT is it a case of "forgive them for they know not what they do?"
Or are they just ruthless, unfeeling gits?
Those who've met them, please give me an insight into what they are like?
You can't reason with someone who is thick - but you can teach them some manners.
I'd like to teach them a thing or two. Whether they are stupid or not
I know Jon is quite arrogant. Common sense I don't know. I remember Herbie said none of them could manage a hot dog stand. Sounds about right to me.
Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.
RockinDeano wrote:Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.
I'll go second.
I apologize to Steve Augeri. Dude, I really am sorry. I was wrong. Call me, we'll throw beers in South Bend.
Enigma869 wrote:I just read the story and quotes from Jonathan Cain being interested in Journey's "legacy". Is this guy fucking serious???? Listen...If you want to say Soto didn't sound anything like Perry, I agree 100%, but these are the guys who hired Jeff, even knowing he sounded nothing like Perry! This shit about "we want to sound like we sounded on our albums" is fucking hilarious to me! Someone should probably break the news to Cain...that ship has sailed! Perry isn't walking through that door, Cain!
Listen up Cain and Schon...You're not going to find anyone out there who sounds like Perry! The guy is a fucking legend for a reason! He was and is one of a kind who you've been trying to replicate through 10 years and two singers. It isn't happening! As Brian May so aptly put it....Perry's voice was one in a million, and this coming from a guy who played with the great Freddie Mercury! At this point, all you're doing is alienating the most loyal fan base on the planet!
Schon and Cain are really starting to look like a couple of clowns. It's like the blind leading the blind! My issue with these guys isn't even that they fired Jeff...It's that they hired the guy in the first place. Jeff is who he is, and these guys have been in the music business long enough to know what they were getting, and that they weren't getting Steve Perry!
I think if Schon and Cain are genuinely concerned about the legacy of the name Journey and what it means to so many people, they probably should have thought about that ten years ago when they decided to move on without Perry! The more I recall the VH1 BTM, the more Perry sounds like a genius to me! These guys just don't get it! They should probably check their music almanacs to figure out the last band that had 4 lead singers in their history, let alone in 10 years!
As I've said 1000 times and will repeat again...Journey will NEVER, EVER, EVER be musically relevant again, in this lifetime! They had their moment in the spotlight, but that light has long since burnt out! It's really time for these guys to move on with their lives, and stop rolling out the "flavor of the month" for their loyal fans to ingest! Perhaps the one silver lining of all of this is that Schon may come to the conclusion of just how remarkable what Perry did was! I think Schon has been looking for a Perry replacement since Perry moved on, and he's apparently not going to stop until science figures out how to clone the 1983 Steve Perry! Good luck with that, Neal!
John from Boston
Enigma869 wrote:I just read the story and quotes from Jonathan Cain being interested in Journey's "legacy". Is this guy fucking serious???? Listen...If you want to say Soto didn't sound anything like Perry, I agree 100%, but these are the guys who hired Jeff, even knowing he sounded nothing like Perry! This shit about "we want to sound like we sounded on our albums" is fucking hilarious to me! Someone should probably break the news to Cain...that ship has sailed! Perry isn't walking through that door, Cain!
Listen up Cain and Schon...You're not going to find anyone out there who sounds like Perry! The guy is a fucking legend for a reason! He was and is one of a kind who you've been trying to replicate through 10 years and two singers. It isn't happening! As Brian May so aptly put it....Perry's voice was one in a million, and this coming from a guy who played with the great Freddie Mercury! At this point, all you're doing is alienating the most loyal fan base on the planet!
Schon and Cain are really starting to look like a couple of clowns. It's like the blind leading the blind! My issue with these guys isn't even that they fired Jeff...It's that they hired the guy in the first place. Jeff is who he is, and these guys have been in the music business long enough to know what they were getting, and that they weren't getting Steve Perry!
I think if Schon and Cain are genuinely concerned about the legacy of the name Journey and what it means to so many people, they probably should have thought about that ten years ago when they decided to move on without Perry! The more I recall the VH1 BTM, the more Perry sounds like a genius to me! These guys just don't get it! They should probably check their music almanacs to figure out the last band that had 4 lead singers in their history, let alone in 10 years!
As I've said 1000 times and will repeat again...Journey will NEVER, EVER, EVER be musically relevant again, in this lifetime! They had their moment in the spotlight, but that light has long since burnt out! It's really time for these guys to move on with their lives, and stop rolling out the "flavor of the month" for their loyal fans to ingest! Perhaps the one silver lining of all of this is that Schon may come to the conclusion of just how remarkable what Perry did was! I think Schon has been looking for a Perry replacement since Perry moved on, and he's apparently not going to stop until science figures out how to clone the 1983 Steve Perry! Good luck with that, Neal!
John from Boston
RockinDeano wrote:Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.
I'll go second.
I apologize to Steve Augeri. Dude, I really am sorry. I was wrong. Call me, we'll throw beers in South Bend.
Enigma869 wrote:Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.
I'm not sure the Jeff situation is analogous to the Augeri situation. Augeri was clearly having vocal problems, that were pretty well documented. I think the bottom line with Schon and Cain is that they're both looking to re-capture their glory years, some 25 years after their prime! I can't believe it hasn't occurred to either one of these geniuses that their glory years walked out the door with Perry's hip 10 years ago! I don't care whether Schon created the band Journey or not. It will never change the fact that without Perry's voice, Schon isn't selling out a Knights of Columbus Hall!
John from Boston
Enigma869 wrote:Journey will NEVER, EVER, EVER be musically relevant again, in this lifetime! They had their moment in the spotlight, but that light has long since burnt out! It's really time for these guys to move on with their lives, and stop rolling out the "flavor of the month" for their loyal fans to ingest! Perhaps the one silver lining of all of this is that Schon may come to the conclusion of just how remarkable what Perry did was! I think Schon has been looking for a Perry replacement since Perry moved on, and he's apparently not going to stop until science figures out how to clone the 1983 Steve Perry! Good luck with that, Neal!
RockinDeano wrote:Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.
I'll go second.
I apologize to Steve Augeri. Dude, I really am sorry. I was wrong. Call me, we'll throw beers in South Bend.
NealIsGod wrote:RockinDeano wrote:Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.
I'll go second.
I apologize to Steve Augeri. Dude, I really am sorry. I was wrong. Call me, we'll throw beers in South Bend.
Now I know this is all just a bad dream...
Waysted wrote:Respectfully, I do see them as being very closely related. In both cases, the "Band" used them for what they needed. Once they were satisfied they could get nothing more from either of these fine vocalists (yes, I have been a fan of both for quite some time), they were ousted in a manor that best fit the image of the remaining members. Steve was thrown under a bus, and Jeff was made to look like he walked away on his own decision. All the while, the casual fan still thinking nothing was going on, and everyone involved (with the exception of Steve A., if they even knew about that) was clean throughout.
RockinDeano wrote:Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.
I'll go second.
I apologize to Steve Augeri. Dude, I really am sorry. I was wrong. Call me, we'll throw beers in South Bend.
RockinDeano wrote:Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.
I'll go second.
I apologize to Steve Augeri. Dude, I really am sorry. I was wrong. Call me, we'll throw beers in South Bend.
Behshad wrote:RockinDeano wrote:Saint John wrote: And when the dust settles a LOT of people are going to owe Mr. Augeri an apology. He was forced to walk the plank. I'll go first. Mr. Augeri, I apologize.
I'll go second.
I apologize to Steve Augeri. Dude, I really am sorry. I was wrong. Call me, we'll throw beers in South Bend.
I cant belive you would apologize to him. Just cause Neal and Jon are the 'bad guys' right now, it doesnt justify Auggies Lippin!
We just know that it wasnt entirley HIS fault, but still.....
In his case, it's ok to forgive, but not forget and most definately not APOLOIGIZE!
Enigma869 wrote:I just read the story and quotes from Jonathan Cain being interested in Journey's "legacy". Is this guy fucking serious???? Listen...If you want to say Soto didn't sound anything like Perry, I agree 100%, but these are the guys who hired Jeff, even knowing he sounded nothing like Perry! This shit about "we want to sound like we sounded on our albums" is fucking hilarious to me! Someone should probably break the news to Cain...that ship has sailed! Perry isn't walking through that door, Cain!
Listen up Cain and Schon...You're not going to find anyone out there who sounds like Perry! The guy is a fucking legend for a reason! He was and is one of a kind who you've been trying to replicate through 10 years and two singers. It isn't happening! As Brian May so aptly put it....Perry's voice was one in a million, and this coming from a guy who played with the great Freddie Mercury! At this point, all you're doing is alienating the most loyal fan base on the planet!
Schon and Cain are really starting to look like a couple of clowns. It's like the blind leading the blind! My issue with these guys isn't even that they fired Jeff...It's that they hired the guy in the first place. Jeff is who he is, and these guys have been in the music business long enough to know what they were getting, and that they weren't getting Steve Perry!
I think if Schon and Cain are genuinely concerned about the legacy of the name Journey and what it means to so many people, they probably should have thought about that ten years ago when they decided to move on without Perry! The more I recall the VH1 BTM, the more Perry sounds like a genius to me! These guys just don't get it! They should probably check their music almanacs to figure out the last band that had 4 lead singers in their history, let alone in 10 years!
As I've said 1000 times and will repeat again...Journey will NEVER, EVER, EVER be musically relevant again, in this lifetime! They had their moment in the spotlight, but that light has long since burnt out! It's really time for these guys to move on with their lives, and stop rolling out the "flavor of the month" for their loyal fans to ingest! Perhaps the one silver lining of all of this is that Schon may come to the conclusion of just how remarkable what Perry did was! I think Schon has been looking for a Perry replacement since Perry moved on, and he's apparently not going to stop until science figures out how to clone the 1983 Steve Perry! Good luck with that, Neal!
John from Boston
RockinDeano wrote:No, I was 100% wrong. I slayed Augeri and now I must face the truth. Steve could've walked off I suppose, but there's more to it than that. What the entire organization did was despicable.
Boy could I write a book about this......but would be sued faster than Richard Simmons sucking off Manarocks.
Wheels Of Fyre wrote:RockinDeano wrote:No, I was 100% wrong. I slayed Augeri and now I must face the truth. Steve could've walked off I suppose, but there's more to it than that. What the entire organization did was despicable.
Boy could I write a book about this......but would be sued faster than Richard Simmons sucking off Manarocks.
What pisses me off is that you, TNC, and so many others gave SA absolutely ZERO consideration that Tapegate was more than him.
I argued up and down that for as much as we knew and/or THOUGHT we knew there's NO WAY we knew ALL of the circumstances as to WHY SA hid behind the tapes. It was just, "There's NO justifiable reason." That was nothing more than a Neanderthal, gut level, reaction void of any logic or reasoning.
I don't think SA could've walked off even if he wanted to OR more importantly without some kind of devastating legal action.
McNeil wrote:Wrong..Jeremey has that voice...the voice... identical!! ...which negates your whole post!
science doesnt need to do its bit..no cloning neccessary... Jeremey is already here!
Enigma869 wrote:McNeil wrote:Wrong..Jeremey has that voice...the voice... identical!! ...which negates your whole post!
science doesnt need to do its bit..no cloning neccessary... Jeremey is already here!
Listen McNutbag....
It doesn't "negate" anything! My post wasn't posted as gospel. It is nothing more than one person's opinion (my own)! I'm not going to turn this into a Jeremey post, because honestly this post has NOTHING to do with Jeremey. Jeremey is a great guy, who is immensely talented. That said...He isn't Perry, period! I've been listening to the Journey tribute band fans for years telling me how great Hugo is and some others. These guys are fans, just like I am, who happen to have the talent to sing and perform. I certainly don't begrudge them that. Having said that, none of these guys are Perry, and I think they would probably be the first to tell you that! I think the one thing Jeremey has that is a HUGE plus for him (if named the 4th guy) is that he looks nothing like Perry.
I just think Neal and Jon should come out and say "You know what...we're fucking idiots. Journey was nothing before Perry and has been nothing since Perry left us. We have tried like hell to find anyone on the planet who looks or sounds anything like him, to no avail. Even though it is still our fervent hope that there is a Steve Perry clone somewhere in this world, we are becoming more humbled by our never-ending search to replace THE VOICE that made us! Stay tuned to 2008 when we announce the next guy we think can give us the credibility we've been lacking, since Perry left. If after 6 months with the "lead singer of the moment" we have discovered that he isn't enough like Perry, we will resume our never-ending search! Thanks to our fans for being blindly loyal to the music that Steve Perry's voice brought to you. We will be back on the road in 2008 to suck more money out of your wallets! Journey on"!
John from Boston
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