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Does the current situation make anyone else rethink the infamous " I never really felt like part of the band" by Perry? Just an observation, but now I have to rethink about the true meaning of that quote. I used to think, "Wow what could have made him say that?" But now, I'm not so sure..


Deano, St. John, Andrew, and all others.. I would like you opinion on this.


God bless!

I'm loving the full restoration of Perry's reputation on this board over the last few days. About time too....

RSP, I remember thinking at the time the BTM was aired "What a bunch of BS on SP's part". That guy is the smartest of the original "few" incarnations for sure.

At least SP does not have to deal with Friga & Fro anymore. I'm sure he is just fine with that.

I can see why he would say that. I just wonder if Neal worries about Jon and vice versa. If they had a brain between them they would.

Sassie wrote:I can see why he would say that. I just wonder if Neal worries about Jon and vice versa. If they had a brain between them they would.

Maybe they are keeping their ememies 'closer'

Yes, it made me rethink that and more. it has made me realize the true integrity he had for the music. these guys seem to have none, so it makes perfect sense
that he wouldnt feel part of them. No wonder he was so controlling, these guys are morons Perry was and is the smart one.

I always understood it.
It was Neal's band. It was Herbie's band. It was Rolie's band.
Eventually, it was Cain's band too.

I took that comment to mean, that although they gave Perry the wheel and let him drive, he was still just a hired-gun. And I think it was also due to the way they out'd Fleischman. Had Perry been there from the beginning, maybe he'd felt different. But "the band" existed before him and even though there were only five of them + crew, I'm sure everything was a little clique-ish. That led to Perry's isolation, and their isolation of him. Then it became a power struggle in the 80s...because Journey had the core band, NS et al, but they also had this guy driving the boat and they were making boatloads of cash. So, even thought times were good, maybe too good, something finally gave in. Schon & Cain said, sure Steve you keep driving. And then came ROR - which was pure Perry and Schon despised it - and the camp shut down. So while Perry was driving, he still was truly never part of the band, the core, the originators, the true owners, etc.

Funny. Not sure why, but I knew exactly what Perry was saying from the very first time I saw him say that.


later~

How could he NOT think that way....with "Judas Cain" in the band. As bad as our dude Jeff feels...imagine helping sell 65 million units and getting the axe by your writing partner????

I think these guys will keep the website closed, take the rest of '07 off, hire a Perry sound-a-like, revisit their past (as they have EVERY year since 1998) and collect whatever paycheck they can get.

I don't think they are closing up shop. They're just laying low till all the internet chatter dies down and hope people get bored enough or curious enough to go check them out again. Hopefully, nobody is that bored, curious or STUPID.

Arkansas wrote:I always understood it.
It was Neal's band. It was Herbie's band. It was Rolie's band.
Eventually, it was Cain's band too.

I took that comment to mean, that although they gave Perry the wheel and let him drive, he was still just a hired-gun. And I think it was also due to the way they out'd Fleischman. Had Perry been there from the beginning, maybe he'd felt different. But "the band" existed before him and even though there were only five of them + crew, I'm sure everything was a little clique-ish. That led to Perry's isolation, and their isolation of him. Then it became a power struggle in the 80s...because Journey had the core band, NS et al, but they also had this guy driving the boat and they were making boatloads of cash. So, even thought times were good, maybe too good, something finally gave in. Schon & Cain said, sure Steve you keep driving. And then came ROR - which was pure Perry and Schon despised it - and the camp shut down. So while Perry was driving, he still was truly never part of the band, the core, the originators, the true owners, etc.

Funny. Not sure why, but I knew exactly what Perry was saying from the very first time I saw him say that.


later~

You brought up a interesting point...the way they did Fleischman!!! That is very interesting! So this really makes the 4th singer replacement.

I wouldnt want to sing with this band for all the tea in China. Track record is too bad.

Matthew wrote:I'm loving the full restoration of Perry's reputation on this board over the last few days. About time too....

Not full, Matto.


I still thinks he's "eh."

Finally, some vindacation for Perry. But Perry was smart enough to legally tie them up to this day. Read Herbie's rant. Perry was never going to be a hired hand. Wow ! what smarts at 30.

Thank GOD I was a fan of the guy with brains.

Perry was twit, is a twit and will ALWAYS be a twit. His previous fuck ups have no bearing on the here and now. He had the brass ring, and let it go in '87...he had a SECOND shot in '96 and fucked that up too.

HUGE TALENT, HUGE EGO, small consideration for anyone but himself. Wait, are we talking about Perry or Fro?

Well it applies to both.

GuessWho2 wrote:Perry was twit, is a twit and will ALWAYS be a twit. His previous fuck ups have no bearing on the here and now. He had the brass ring, and let it go in '87...he had a SECOND shot in '96 and fucked that up too.

HUGE TALENT, HUGE EGO, small consideration for anyone but himself. Wait, are we talking about Perry or Fro?

Well it applies to both.

SteveForever wrote:

GuessWho2 wrote:Perry was twit, is a twit and will ALWAYS be a twit. His previous fuck ups have no bearing on the here and now. He had the brass ring, and let it go in '87...he had a SECOND shot in '96 and fucked that up too.

HUGE TALENT, HUGE EGO, small consideration for anyone but himself. Wait, are we talking about Perry or Fro?

Well it applies to both.

Sorry but it's true...and sometimes the truth hurts.

Talent by the bushel...idiosyncracies by the truckload.

GuessWho2 wrote:Sorry but it's true...and sometimes the truth hurts.

Talent by the bushel...idiosyncracies by the truckload.

Whoa...layin' it out there plain and simple.

Is that you HERBIE???

StringsOfJoy wrote:

GuessWho2 wrote:Sorry but it's true...and sometimes the truth hurts.

Talent by the bushel...idiosyncracies by the truckload.

Whoa...layin' it out there plain and simple.

Is that you HERBIE???

Second time today some one said I was Herbie...Sorry but I am not that rich!

RSParker wrote:Does the current situation make anyone else rethink the infamous " I never really felt like part of the band" by Perry? Just an observation, but now I have to rethink about the true meaning of that quote. I used to think, "Wow what could have made him say that?" But now, I'm not so sure..


Deano, St. John, Andrew, and all others.. I would like you opinion on this.


God bless!

No.

Perry basicaly had complete control over the band during ROR. How can you have complete control and not be a part. It makes absolutely no sense at all. If you want to compare it to something, it would be like Neal saying, "I have not felt like part of Journey since the Arrival CD".

Monker wrote:

RSParker wrote:Does the current situation make anyone else rethink the infamous " I never really felt like part of the band" by Perry? Just an observation, but now I have to rethink about the true meaning of that quote. I used to think, "Wow what could have made him say that?" But now, I'm not so sure..


Deano, St. John, Andrew, and all others.. I would like you opinion on this.


God bless!

No.

Perry basicaly had complete control over the band during ROR. How can you have complete control and not be a part. It makes absolutely no sense at all. If you want to compare it to something, it would be like Neal saying, "I have not felt like part of Journey since the Arrival CD".

God help me! I agree with Monker!

It was definitely PERRY's band in 1986 until he walked away from it all, no one can dispute that!

GuessWho2 wrote:

SteveForever wrote:

GuessWho2 wrote:Perry was twit, is a twit and will ALWAYS be a twit. His previous fuck ups have no bearing on the here and now. He had the brass ring, and let it go in '87...he had a SECOND shot in '96 and fucked that up too.

HUGE TALENT, HUGE EGO, small consideration for anyone but himself. Wait, are we talking about Perry or Fro?

Well it applies to both.

Sorry but it's true...and sometimes the truth hurts.

Talent by the bushel...idiosyncracies by the truckload.

The brass ring isn't everything at certain times in life. Do you know him personally or is this more heresy?

Perry distanced himself by simply just not wanting the limelight, and being on the road got to him. Kind of like home sick if you will. When you start taking your own tour buses, then you either don't feel you're apart of the band, or just...not wanting to BE IN the band..

Henley wrote:

GuessWho2 wrote:

SteveForever wrote:

GuessWho2 wrote:Perry was twit, is a twit and will ALWAYS be a twit. His previous fuck ups have no bearing on the here and now. He had the brass ring, and let it go in '87...he had a SECOND shot in '96 and fucked that up too.

HUGE TALENT, HUGE EGO, small consideration for anyone but himself. Wait, are we talking about Perry or Fro?

Well it applies to both.

Sorry but it's true...and sometimes the truth hurts.

Talent by the bushel...idiosyncracies by the truckload.

The brass ring isn't everything at certain times in life. Do you know him personally or is this more heresy?

Heresy or HEARSAY? Heresy is a religious term that denotes straying from accepted religious canon. HEARSAY is when someone overhears something or is told something second hand and implies that it is the truth. Though I suppose BOTH could apply in this case.

I have met the man a few or more times, and more I have met people that spent lots of time with him, so I formed my own opinions based on both...THOUGH it seems that age has changed some of that and he isn't quite as self absorbed.

GuessWho2 wrote:

Henley wrote:

GuessWho2 wrote:

SteveForever wrote:

GuessWho2 wrote:Perry was twit, is a twit and will ALWAYS be a twit. His previous fuck ups have no bearing on the here and now. He had the brass ring, and let it go in '87...he had a SECOND shot in '96 and fucked that up too.

HUGE TALENT, HUGE EGO, small consideration for anyone but himself. Wait, are we talking about Perry or Fro?

Well it applies to both.

Sorry but it's true...and sometimes the truth hurts.

Talent by the bushel...idiosyncracies by the truckload.

The brass ring isn't everything at certain times in life. Do you know him personally or is this more heresy?

Heresy or HEARSAY? Heresy is a religious term that denotes straying from accepted religious canon. HEARSAY is when someone overhears something or is told something second hand and implies that it is the truth. Though I suppose BOTH could apply in this case.

I have met the man a few or more times, and more I have met people that spent lots of time with him, so I formed my own opinions based on both...THOUGH it seems that age has changed some of that and he isn't quite as self absorbed.

Heresy also means adherence to a controversial and unorthodox opinion. If you don't know a person well, I think it falls in that category. Would you appreciate a person you met a few times making those comments about you?

Monker wrote:

RSParker wrote:Does the current situation make anyone else rethink the infamous " I never really felt like part of the band" by Perry? Just an observation, but now I have to rethink about the true meaning of that quote. I used to think, "Wow what could have made him say that?" But now, I'm not so sure..


Deano, St. John, Andrew, and all others.. I would like you opinion on this.


God bless!

No.

Perry basicaly had complete control over the band during ROR. How can you have complete control and not be a part. It makes absolutely no sense at all. If you want to compare it to something, it would be like Neal saying, "I have not felt like part of Journey since the Arrival CD".

As usual, you're wrong. Control and "feeling" are two completely different things. Steve controlled things, that's for sure. He had a pretty darn good idea what the band needed to do. From album to album that "control" paid HUGE dividends. He didn't "feel like a part of the band" because of his role. As lead singer he wasn't able to do what the others did. His instrument wasn't detachable...at least later in his career. I'd venture to say that from Escape to Frontiers he realized his voice changed a LOT, and if he didn't learn to take care of his voice, he'd be looking for a new profession. I'd also bet that it was around this time that he began to skip the after concert all night parties. Rather than go out and hang with the boys, he isolated himself in order to keep his voice at a level that would remain tour ready. Lastly, I'd bet that Friga, Schon and the rest of the band wanted Perry to do what they did, and NEVER ONCE offered to join Perry in whatever it was that HE did from that point on. I could especially see Neal, with his teenage mindset, being a real prick about Perry not hanging out anymore. Folks, Steve Perry stayed true to his craft for as long as he saw fit. He stopped the "rockstar" lifestyle to deliver a nightly show that was as good as the last. Had Neal Schon ever had to stop that lifestyle, he'd have been retired before the Frontiers tour. Perry gave us Frontiers, ROR and TBF. And I thank him immensely for that. Aside from Steve Smith, he's the only other band member I see having the fortitude to completely step away from that lifestyle. I don't care what anyone says, it was Steve Perry that made each of them motherfuckers rich. And if I were him, I'd say as much.

Saint John wrote: He had a pretty darn good idea what the band needed to do. From album to album that "control" paid HUGE dividends.

He did not have control over the band until ROR. Prior to that, Perry had his invluence over things, but so did everybody else.

He didn't "feel like a part of the band" because of his role. As lead singer he wasn't able to do what the others did. His instrument wasn't detachable...at least later in his career. I'd venture to say that from Escape to Frontiers he realized his voice changed a LOT, and if he didn't learn to take care of his voice, he'd be looking for a new profession. I'd also bet that it was around this time that he began to skip the after concert all night parties. Rather than go out and hang with the boys, he isolated himself in order to keep his voice at a level that would remain tour ready. Lastly, I'd bet that Friga, Schon and the rest of the band wanted Perry to do what they did, and NEVER ONCE offered to join Perry in whatever it was that HE did from that point on. I could especially see Neal, with his teenage mindset, being a real prick about Perry not hanging out anymore. Folks, Steve Perry stayed true to his craft for as long as he saw fit. He stopped the "rockstar" lifestyle to deliver a nightly show that was as good as the last. Had Neal Schon ever had to stop that lifestyle, he'd have been retired before the Frontiers tour. Perry gave us Frontiers, ROR and TBF. And I thank him immensely for that. Aside from Steve Smith, he's the only other band member I see having the fortitude to completely step away from that lifestyle. I don't care what anyone says, it was Steve Perry that made each of them motherfuckers rich. And if I were him, I'd say as much.

What a bunch of crap. So much so that I am not even going to get into this argument - yet again, for the millionth time

The bottom line is that you can not control something that you are not a part of. Perry not a part of the band? Yeah, and the Pope isn't part of the Catholic church.

Monker wrote:

Saint John wrote: He had a pretty darn good idea what the band needed to do. From album to album that "control" paid HUGE dividends.

He did not have control over the band until ROR. Prior to that, Perry had his invluence over things, but so did everybody else.

He didn't "feel like a part of the band" because of his role. As lead singer he wasn't able to do what the others did. His instrument wasn't detachable...at least later in his career. I'd venture to say that from Escape to Frontiers he realized his voice changed a LOT, and if he didn't learn to take care of his voice, he'd be looking for a new profession. I'd also bet that it was around this time that he began to skip the after concert all night parties. Rather than go out and hang with the boys, he isolated himself in order to keep his voice at a level that would remain tour ready. Lastly, I'd bet that Friga, Schon and the rest of the band wanted Perry to do what they did, and NEVER ONCE offered to join Perry in whatever it was that HE did from that point on. I could especially see Neal, with his teenage mindset, being a real prick about Perry not hanging out anymore. Folks, Steve Perry stayed true to his craft for as long as he saw fit. He stopped the "rockstar" lifestyle to deliver a nightly show that was as good as the last. Had Neal Schon ever had to stop that lifestyle, he'd have been retired before the Frontiers tour. Perry gave us Frontiers, ROR and TBF. And I thank him immensely for that. Aside from Steve Smith, he's the only other band member I see having the fortitude to completely step away from that lifestyle. I don't care what anyone says, it was Steve Perry that made each of them motherfuckers rich. And if I were him, I'd say as much.

What a bunch of crap. So much so that I am not even going to get into this argument - yet again, for the millionth time

The bottom line is that you can not control something that you are not a part of. Perry not a part of the band? Yeah, and the Pope isn't part of the Catholic church.

The President is "The Commander In Chief." He is the head of the military, but I doubt we'll see him lobbing any grenades anytime soon. Pretty much controls the military, but he really isn't a prt of it. Try again, fuckface.

Oh great someone took a dump in the MR toilet and left a Monker floating. Dude you are so far off base in your rantings it is not even funny. Perry had a problem with the fact that he couldn't go and party it up with his "family" because he had to maintain his instrument constantly. He did not have a throat tech like Neal has guitar techs. So how exactly could he feel like a part of something that he could not totally participate in? I am sure creatively he was in control from escape on and that is why they all made huge bank over the years but what good is that if your not happy? Look at the BTM again, he started using a limo instead of riding the tour bus with the rest of the band because he felt alienated from everyone and decided to spend time with his then girlfriend between shows. So that is how you can have control without being a part of something.

Monker wrote: ... The bottom line is that you can not control something that you are not a part of. Perry not a part of the band? Yeah, and the Pope isn't part of the Catholic church.

I think it's a little deeper than that. Yes, Perry was a part of the band. But I think what he meant was that he never felt of part of the core. Yes, he gained control, but he felt it was only because they gave him control. THE BAND was Schon, Rolie, & Herbie. They were the guys that really owned everything. As much in control as Perry may have been, I really think that he felt he was in control only because they gave him control. And that inherent ownership of control is why Perry was eventually pushed out.

Perry was definitely part of a band, a very successful band much because of him. However, Perry NEVER owned THE band, therefore he was never part of THE band.

And that's why he fought to own all of Journey that he had control over. He knows/knew that he never owned 'Journey', just the music made while was he in control...roughly, 78-97.

Think about it. If he was truly a part of THE band, then he could have ousted Neal Schon, no?

Perhaps, a game of semantics...but a very emotional and legal game for sure.


later~

chf34jmac wrote:Perry had a problem with the fact that he couldn't go and party it up with his "family" because he had to maintain his instrument constantly.

I don't care.

He also had a problem with the songs written for ROR and had them scrapped and started over. He replaced Valory and Smith. He produced the album. He came up with the concept. He helped designed the cover art.

But, he wasn't part of the band.

That makes absolutely no sense AT ALL.

I am sure creatively he was in control from escape on

Oh, please. He was not in control of Journey during Escape. Herbie was. Herbie started losing control during Frontiers, and gave up during ROR.

Look at the BTM again, he started using a limo instead of riding the tour bus with the rest of the band because he felt alienated from everyone and decided to spend time with his then girlfriend between shows. So that is how you can have control without being a part of something.

Well, that much is true. That is a great example of a girl having control of a lead singer of a band which she was not a part of!