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.....wouldn't they try and get SP? I mean they could charge buttloads of cash for that reunion. Even if his voice isn't close to what it was back then. Look at Kansas, Walsh's voice is toast, and they still tour. Look at the prices for Police tickets. Look at the prices for Genesis tickets( and I know i tried to buy one - $227 for FACE VALUE)

I know SP doesn't want it, but if it was only about money to them, you'd think they would at least try to get their meal ticket back in the fold....

just my .02.

I would bet they HAVE tried. It is so obviously only about the money for Journey, it's sickening.

I agree. I am sure they have tried.

Me too. I'm 100% convinced they have tried. I think Perry said no. So, they went for their next best option: get someone who sounds like him.

Yeah, and why don't the 49er's re-sign Joe Montana? He led them 4 Super Bowl wins. Sure, he is older now, but I am sure he can still handle the job.

[quote="Socratic Methodist Look at the prices for Police tickets.
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Saw The Police last night and Sting sounded un-believable. Looked great too! They put on a great show . . . hell, they encored about 4 times.

Socratic Methodist wrote:.....wouldn't they try and get SP? I mean they could charge buttloads of cash for that reunion. Even if his voice isn't close to what it was back then. Look at Kansas, Walsh's voice is toast, and they still tour. Look at the prices for Police tickets. Look at the prices for Genesis tickets( and I know i tried to buy one - $227 for FACE VALUE)

I know SP doesn't want it, but if it was only about money to them, you'd think they would at least try to get their meal ticket back in the fold....

just my .02.

why would they do that, when a good percentage of the concert goers can't tell that the original had been replaced anyways?

why not get a much cheaper replacement, and still reap in the money?

that's just how i think they're thinking.

Chrismo wrote:

Socratic Methodist wrote:.....wouldn't they try and get SP? I mean they could charge buttloads of cash for that reunion. Even if his voice isn't close to what it was back then. Look at Kansas, Walsh's voice is toast, and they still tour. Look at the prices for Police tickets. Look at the prices for Genesis tickets( and I know i tried to buy one - $227 for FACE VALUE)

I know SP doesn't want it, but if it was only about money to them, you'd think they would at least try to get their meal ticket back in the fold....

just my .02.

why would they do that, when a good percentage of the concert goers can't tell that the original had been replaced anyways?

why not get a much cheaper replacement, and still reap in the money?

that's just how i think they're thinking.

You know why they'd do it? Because alot of people have never seen SP in Journey, including me. That was during my breakdancing music phase....lol

And I can just see Fric and Frac salivating over the prospect of charging $150-$180 a ticket, especially after what the Police and Genesis are getting for premium seating.

This isn't some minor incident, don't think that just the people here and BT, and the annals of Journey stalkers know what has gone down. It is WELL known now.....people WILL not fork over money to go see this sorry-ass group of assclowns W/O Perry.

Everyone has a price......with SP - you just have to try another approach.

Socratic Methodist wrote:Everyone has a price......with SP - you just have to try another approach.

I think Lora said it very well about a week or so ago: some people have integrity.

JR (Susie) wrote:

Socratic Methodist wrote:Everyone has a price......with SP - you just have to try another approach.

I think Lora said it very well about a week or so ago: some people have integrity.

So now I'm confused. Would all of the pro-Perry people be thrilled to death with a reunion with Journey, or would you be pissed that he threw away his "integrity" and joined the "dark side"? I guess it depends on what day of the week it is, from what I can gather.

NealIsGod wrote:Yeah, and why don't the 49er's re-sign Joe Montana? He led them 4 Super Bowl wins. Sure, he is older now, but I am sure he can still handle the job.

Excellent point.

Rick wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:Yeah, and why don't the 49er's re-sign Joe Montana? He led them 4 Super Bowl wins. Sure, he is older now, but I am sure he can still handle the job.

Excellent point.

Wrong.....Sports is a way different animal than music. I think you guys just like to be contrarian about ANYTHING, and EVERYTHING...

Just as an aside. I think THE biggest travesty in football is the thought that the 80s 49ers were great. They weren't. They just played in probably THE worst division in the history of the NFL....must have been nice to start a season already 8-0.

Socratic Methodist wrote:
Wrong.....Sports is a way different animal than music. I think you guys just like to be contrarian about ANYTHING, and EVERYTHING...

Just as an aside. I think THE biggest travesty in football is the thought that the 80s 49ers were great. They weren't. They just played in probably THE worst division in the history of the NFL....must have been nice to start a season already 8-0.

Wow, I hate the 49ers so I like what you've said. Alternately though, you can in fact compare a quarterback to a singer in that they both take physical conditioning and they both lead the team. I'm sure Joe Montana could lead the team in his mind, but with his body, maybe not so well. Same with SP.

fightingilliniJRNY wrote:So now I'm confused. Would all of the pro-Perry people be thrilled to death with a reunion with Journey, or would you be pissed that he threw away his "integrity" and joined the "dark side"? I guess it depends on what day of the week it is, from what I can gather.

I can only speak for myself. It would be bittersweet for me right now. I would go to as many concerts as I could. I admit that. I never saw Perry-led Journey back in the day. I saw him twice solo & it was magnificent. Knowing how infrequently he performs, I'd take every opportunity I could to see the man & I'd try for a M&G just to meet him. I've never had a desire to meet Frig & Fro & would stay away from them. But I'd sit thru them playing for the opportunity to see Perry. That's as honest as I can get.

I honestly don't see it happening. People are comparing them to The Police (who were actually my favorite band before Journey). But it's different. Sure The Police hated each other at the end of their band-days. But I read an interview where they sat down together in 2000 & joked around. Stewart made a comment about them wiping the floor w/other bands if they got back together. It took a long time, but they did it. Journey's day for that kind of thing was way back in 1996. Obviously it ended again really badly after that. The Police also never went ahead & performed w/a different lead singer. Nor did The Eagles (another comparison often made). Asia did & mended their differences, granted.

The closest Journey has come to being in the same "room" was the WOF. Even tho there were hugs, I still felt some bitterness in the pix. Maybe that was just me. Then Perry was obviously not happy about Neal's radio comments after that. If I'm not mistaken in one interview, he said something like he felt the band used him showing up for self-promotion. I think that stone is long & truly broken now.

But yeah, I'd go if it happened. I surely would.

If they truly want someone who sounds like Perry, they should just get Perry. Otherwise, they need to step out of his shadow. There really is no in-between on this. Look, they didn't hire Augeri back after he apparently got better - and he was an excellent Steve Perry clone. Naming Soto as lead singer was indiciative that they were willing to really move forward. I thought "Generations" and the multiple vocalist idea and getting away from the 8/10 ballads formula was another indicator that they were ready to truly move to a post-Perry era.

The odd thing about Soto's brush with the band is that he could sing the old material and nobody would accuse him of being a Perry clone. The mainstream media reviews of Soto were mostly positive, they honestly didn't seem to care that much that Perry was gone. One blog says a record label would have recorded with a Soto-led journey (was it Frontiers of Italy)? So why does this vocalist issue matter so much to Schon and Cain?

If getting a Perry vocalist is the way they truly want to go, then they shouldn't go halfway on it. Creatively speaking, getting a clone - Valentine, Chalfont, this Jeremey character (who really can channel Steve), Augeri - at this point only proves one thing: this band can't live without Steve Perry. And if that's the case, then they need to get him back. Moving Soto out of the band just forces them to confront this issue. You can't have it both ways.

larocque6689 wrote:One blog says a record label would have recorded with a Soto-led journey (was it Frontiers of Italy)?

Apparently a MAJOR label, not Frontiers.

And if that's the case, then they need to get him back.

I'm sure they'd LOVE to have him back. It's him that aint interested tho. Cant say I blame the guy.

Why in the world would SP want to get back together with Journey? Been there, done that. Seems to me he's happy right where he is. Self-employed.
I DO wish he would release just one little single, just one. I crave that.

If that's the case then they need to move on.

Schon and Cain are basically admitting to the world that they can't envision a band creatively without Steve Perry. They should pack it in or move out of his shadow. I have respect for them as musicians but zero support for the direction (backwards) they are taking this band.

larocque6689 wrote:If that's the case then they need to move on.

Schon and Cain are basically admitting to the world that they can't envision a band creatively without Steve Perry. They should pack it in or move out of his shadow. I have respect for them as musicians but zero support for the direction (backwards) they are taking this band.

Whoever they get to sing, if they release new material, and it sounds great, then who gives a shit who it is or where they came from? Of course they want someone who can sound close to Perry's voice. Fans come to the shows expecting to hear the band sound like their records. But they should have kept JSS cuz he can do it all.

NealIsGod wrote:

larocque6689 wrote:If that's the case then they need to move on.

Schon and Cain are basically admitting to the world that they can't envision a band creatively without Steve Perry. They should pack it in or move out of his shadow. I have respect for them as musicians but zero support for the direction (backwards) they are taking this band.

Whoever they get to sing, if they release new material, and it sounds great, then who gives a shit who it is or where they came from? Of course they want someone who can sound close to Perry's voice. Fans come to the shows expecting to hear the band sound like their records. But they should have kept JSS cuz he can do it all.

Quite the contrary.....they are irrelevant now. Plain and simple. Unless the reunion tour happens( I don't even care if they record anymore), they will fall to obscurity....If they hire ANYBODY else, including Jeremey, they are done.

They have lost TOO much credibility amoung folks here....UNLESS people are just bumping gums.

"Folks here" are just a tiny percentage of ticket buyers, really.

Jeremey'sTXfan wrote:"Folks here" are just a tiny percentage of ticket buyers, really.

We are the only folks that matter. The casual fan don't deserve shit.

Jeremey'sTXfan wrote:"Folks here" are just a tiny percentage of ticket buyers, really.

we've got big mouths though,, ,, we are a BIG percentage of cd and merchandise buyers as
well,, word of mouth is a mother... and right now,, im wearing my journey shirts when i change
my oil... it makes me feel dirty anyways,,

Socratic Methodist wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:

larocque6689 wrote:If that's the case then they need to move on.

Schon and Cain are basically admitting to the world that they can't envision a band creatively without Steve Perry. They should pack it in or move out of his shadow. I have respect for them as musicians but zero support for the direction (backwards) they are taking this band.

Whoever they get to sing, if they release new material, and it sounds great, then who gives a shit who it is or where they came from? Of course they want someone who can sound close to Perry's voice. Fans come to the shows expecting to hear the band sound like their records. But they should have kept JSS cuz he can do it all.

Quite the contrary.....they are irrelevant now. Plain and simple. Unless the reunion tour happens( I don't even care if they record anymore), they will fall to obscurity....If they hire ANYBODY else, including Jeremey, they are done.

They have lost TOO much credibility amoung folks here....UNLESS people are just bumping gums.

You know what? I don't think there would be a big difference in ticket sales if Perry rejoined. They sure wouldn't sound like you remember, either. Unless they used tapes.

NealIsGod wrote:

Socratic Methodist wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:

larocque6689 wrote:If that's the case then they need to move on.

Schon and Cain are basically admitting to the world that they can't envision a band creatively without Steve Perry. They should pack it in or move out of his shadow. I have respect for them as musicians but zero support for the direction (backwards) they are taking this band.

Whoever they get to sing, if they release new material, and it sounds great, then who gives a shit who it is or where they came from? Of course they want someone who can sound close to Perry's voice. Fans come to the shows expecting to hear the band sound like their records. But they should have kept JSS cuz he can do it all.

Quite the contrary.....they are irrelevant now. Plain and simple. Unless the reunion tour happens( I don't even care if they record anymore), they will fall to obscurity....If they hire ANYBODY else, including Jeremey, they are done.

They have lost TOO much credibility amoung folks here....UNLESS people are just bumping gums.

You know what? I don't think there would be a big difference in ticket sales if Perry rejoined. They sure wouldn't sound like you remember, either. Unless they used tapes.

And I suppose VH wouldn't start selling better if they hired the EMT, either......

Socratic Methodist wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:

Socratic Methodist wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:

larocque6689 wrote:If that's the case then they need to move on.

Schon and Cain are basically admitting to the world that they can't envision a band creatively without Steve Perry. They should pack it in or move out of his shadow. I have respect for them as musicians but zero support for the direction (backwards) they are taking this band.

Whoever they get to sing, if they release new material, and it sounds great, then who gives a shit who it is or where they came from? Of course they want someone who can sound close to Perry's voice. Fans come to the shows expecting to hear the band sound like their records. But they should have kept JSS cuz he can do it all.

Quite the contrary.....they are irrelevant now. Plain and simple. Unless the reunion tour happens( I don't even care if they record anymore), they will fall to obscurity....If they hire ANYBODY else, including Jeremey, they are done.

They have lost TOO much credibility amoung folks here....UNLESS people are just bumping gums.

You know what? I don't think there would be a big difference in ticket sales if Perry rejoined. They sure wouldn't sound like you remember, either. Unless they used tapes.

And I suppose VH wouldn't start selling better if they hired the EMT, either......

No, Sammy and DLR are both great.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend. I feel so old when I hear how impassioned you are. I can understand that at the age the band is, they're looking to fill their nest eggs before they retire. I don't agree with how they go about things though.
I really don't feel I should apologize for wanting a singer that sounds so close to SP. A lot of us just want a good, old trip down memory lane and some new material WOULD be great, if that happens next year. I sure would buy it.
But, I do understand where you're coming from.

Socratic Methodist wrote:.....wouldn't they try and get SP?

Who says they haven't tried?

Andrew- Have they tried recently? Maybe that is why SP made his new statement on Fan Asylum.

squirt1 wrote:Andrew- Have they tried recently? Maybe that is why SP made his new statement on Fan Asylum.

Fuck, they probably try daily. As for the FA message, Lora made it clear that the rumors were really picking up steam nad Steve simply wanted to end any speculation.