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I just want to stir up Neal style.. He is still the most underrated guitar player ever and cant stay that pissed about this situation.....Still mad that JSS wont be with em....However, in time When Journey comes back if its with Jeremey... all you folks who ran away will be left in the dust or crawling back---and praising the new rock from Journey----


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Rick

lights1961 wrote:I just want to stir up Neal style.. He is still the most underrated guitar player ever and cant stay that pissed about this situation.....Still mad that JSS wont be with em....However, in time When Journey comes back if its with Jeremey... all you folks who ran away will be left in the dust or crawling back---and praising the new rock from Journey----


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Rick

You're drinking aren't you?

Rick wrote:

lights1961 wrote:I just want to stir up Neal style.. He is still the most underrated guitar player ever and cant stay that pissed about this situation.....Still mad that JSS wont be with em....However, in time When Journey comes back if its with Jeremey... all you folks who ran away will be left in the dust or crawling back---and praising the new rock from Journey----


MARK MY WORDS. as of 6/28/07.

Rick

You're drinking aren't you?

Nope...just having fun...

lights1961 wrote:

Rick wrote:

lights1961 wrote:I just want to stir up Neal style.. He is still the most underrated guitar player ever and cant stay that pissed about this situation.....Still mad that JSS wont be with em....However, in time When Journey comes back if its with Jeremey... all you folks who ran away will be left in the dust or crawling back---and praising the new rock from Journey----


MARK MY WORDS. as of 6/28/07.

Rick

You're drinking aren't you?

Nope...just having fun...

Well all things considered, you are probably 150% correct brother Rick.

Neal's a great guitarist -- I've never disputed that. But I can't see getting excited about a tribute-band/cover-band singer fronting Journey in six months or whatever. What precisely are they supposed to do that's going to get me excited? "Hey guys! We're going to tour .... and! .... play another permutation of the Dirty Dozen! Instead of starting or ending the setlist with Separate Ways, this time we're going to put it in the middle!" Woo-hoo .... my heart be still.

And the chance of new music seems remote. So they can't promise a new CD.

Maybe Don't Stop Believin' will find its way (yawn) to yet another middling television series finale or light comedy/drama. Or maybe some sports team not-completely-juiced-up on amphetamines or steroids will adopt (yawn) Don't Stop Believin' as its theme song.

Anyway, Journey's getting to the point of having had as many ex-lead singers as Larry King has ex-wives.

lights1961 wrote:I just want to stir up Neal style.. He is still the most underrated guitar player ever and cant stay that pissed about this situation.....Still mad that JSS wont be with em....However, in time When Journey comes back if its with Jeremey... all you folks who ran away will be left in the dust or crawling back---and praising the new rock from Journey----


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Rick

U may be right about many people. But mark mine. Not me.

Basta! Not me. Not another $$$. I didn't miss them in 8yrs of Augeri, but Jeff sparked new interest and I paid to see it and would have again.

Im highly pissed about the JSS situation, as I saw them on this last tour, and have since become a fan of JSS. Ive seen Journey with Augeri as well, and preferred JSS. I think Journey missed an opportunity, and alienated many fans, but even after all the BS, I will always respect Neal as one of the greats all time. Journey and Neal Schon have had more of a musical influence on the music of now than most people give credit. Neal's solos rank right up there with the some of the best ever. I will always be a fan of Neal Schon regardless.

JR (Susie) wrote:

lights1961 wrote:I just want to stir up Neal style.. He is still the most underrated guitar player ever and cant stay that pissed about this situation.....Still mad that JSS wont be with em....However, in time When Journey comes back if its with Jeremey... all you folks who ran away will be left in the dust or crawling back---and praising the new rock from Journey----


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Rick

U may be right about many people. But mark mine. Not me.

Oh, wake up, little Susie. Wake up. You'll be on board. Mark MY words.

stoliddrummer wrote:Im highly pissed about the JSS situation, as I saw them on this last tour, and have since become a fan of JSS. Ive seen Journey with Augeri as well, and preferred JSS. I think Journey missed an opportunity, and alienated many fans, but even after all the BS, I will always respect Neal as one of the greats all time. Journey and Neal Schon have had more of a musical influence on the music of now than most people give credit. Neal's solos rank right up there with the some of the best ever. I will always be a fan of Neal Schon regardless.

I feel the same way, they treated JSS shitty. But I am thankful they introduced him to a whole lot of new fans who bonded with him and will continue to follow his career. Silver linings aren't that hard to find.

I know at least 20 guitar players that SMOKE Neal, so he is far from being the best.

Behshad wrote:I know at least 20 guitar players that SMOKE Neal, so he is far from being the best.

Yeah, sure.

NealIsGod wrote:Oh, wake up, little Susie. Wake up. You'll be on board. Mark MY words.

Whatcha bettin' tiny tim?

JR (Susie) wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:Oh, wake up, little Susie. Wake up. You'll be on board. Mark MY words.

Whatcha bettin' tiny tim?

You want to make a bet? Damn, I always lose bets...

Great guitar player. But, I am beginning to think that he is a bit of a dick.

NealIsGod wrote:

Behshad wrote:I know at least 20 guitar players that SMOKE Neal, so he is far from being the best.

Yeah, sure.

When I say better, Im talkin about overall skills,,, not just speed, not just tapping, not just arppegios.

here's a few for now:

Alexi Lahi(Children Of Bodom)
Steve Vai
Joe Satriani
Yngwie Malmsteen
John Norum
John Petrucci
Mathias Eklund
Pontus Norgren
Vinnie Moore
Brian May
Tony McAlpine
Fredrik Akesson
Kuni
Gary Moore
Henrik Danhage(Evergrey)

All of the above guitar players can play anything Neal plays, but Neal can not play all that they have played.
Neal is NOT God , unless we're talkin about a short backstabbing God, then he is the almighty lord himself

I'm not that technical, I just enjoy soaring melodic guitars as well as dirty, chunky crunchy guitars and for my coin Neal's peerless at both of those brands.

He might not be a mozart in his complexities and sophistications compared to that list of mostly people I've never heard of but that is ok by me too.

Behshad wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:

Behshad wrote:I know at least 20 guitar players that SMOKE Neal, so he is far from being the best.

Yeah, sure.

When I say better, Im talkin about overall skills,,, not just speed, not just tapping, not just arppegios.

here's a few for now:

Alexi Lahi(Children Of Bodom)
Steve Vai
Joe Satriani
Yngwie Malmsteen
John Norum
John Petrucci
Mathias Eklund
Pontus Norgren
Vinnie Moore
Brian May
Tony McAlpine
Fredrik Akesson
Kuni
Gary Moore
Henrik Danhage(Evergrey)

All of the above guitar players can play anything Neal plays, but Neal can not play all that they have played.
Neal is NOT God , unless we're talkin about a short backstabbing God, then he is the almighty lord himself

You're definitely more versed in guitarists than I am, Behshad. I haven't even heard of several of those dudes. But guess what? I'd be willing to bet each one of those guys have former bandmates who were treated shitty by them (esp. Yngwie).

Behshad wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:

Behshad wrote:I know at least 20 guitar players that SMOKE Neal, so he is far from being the best.

Yeah, sure.

When I say better, Im talkin about overall skills,,, not just speed, not just tapping, not just arppegios.

here's a few for now:

Alexi Lahi(Children Of Bodom)
Steve Vai
Joe Satriani
Yngwie Malmsteen
John Norum
John Petrucci
Mathias Eklund
Pontus Norgren
Vinnie Moore
Brian May
Tony McAlpine
Fredrik Akesson
Kuni
Gary Moore
Henrik Danhage(Evergrey)

All of the above guitar players can play anything Neal plays, but Neal can not play all that they have played.
Neal is NOT God , unless we're talkin about a short backstabbing God, then he is the almighty lord himself

Jimmy Page not in your list??? By the way I said under rated... these guys all get props no matter what!!


Rick

JMO but... If Neal could stop thinking with his EGO and his DICK, maybe he could get back to it being "about the music". I don't see that happening (especially if Perry's getting the lion's share of attention).

NealIsGod wrote:

Behshad wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:

Behshad wrote:I know at least 20 guitar players that SMOKE Neal, so he is far from being the best.

Yeah, sure.

When I say better, Im talkin about overall skills,,, not just speed, not just tapping, not just arppegios.

here's a few for now:

Alexi Lahi(Children Of Bodom)
Steve Vai
Joe Satriani
Yngwie Malmsteen
John Norum
John Petrucci
Mathias Eklund
Pontus Norgren
Vinnie Moore
Brian May
Tony McAlpine
Fredrik Akesson
Kuni
Gary Moore
Henrik Danhage(Evergrey)

All of the above guitar players can play anything Neal plays, but Neal can not play all that they have played.
Neal is NOT God , unless we're talkin about a short backstabbing God, then he is the almighty lord himself

You're definitely more versed in guitarists than I am, Behshad. I haven't even heard of several of those dudes. But guess what? I'd be willing to bet each one of those guys have former bandmates who were treated shitty by them (esp. Yngwie).

You got that right!:) Well most of them at least.
I think what bothers me the most about Neal is that once he reached to that certain level, he stopped. He has had the potentials and ability to be one of the best the last 20 years, but when you're just satisfied with where youre at and dont push your goals further, thats what puts him on a lower part of my list.

Behshad wrote:I think what bothers me the most about Neal is that once he reached to that certain level, he stopped. He has had the potentials and ability to be one of the best the last 20 years, but when you're just satisfied with where youre at and dont push your goals further, thats what puts him on a lower part of my list.

Interersting. Many people who post here think Neal is better than ever. Well, they did b4 they dumped Jeff.

NealIsGod wrote:

Behshad wrote:I think what bothers me the most about Neal is that once he reached to that certain level, he stopped. He has had the potentials and ability to be one of the best the last 20 years, but when you're just satisfied with where youre at and dont push your goals further, thats what puts him on a lower part of my list.

Interersting. Many people who post here think Neal is better than ever. Well, they did b4 they dumped Jeff.

Exactly what I was thinking. The guy plays ALL THE TIME and has matured and is playing better than ever, in my opinion. Totally the opposite of Behshad's take on the guy. It can certainly be argued that he overdoes the shredding now but that's just a matter of taste. I think it's plainly obvious that he has improved his skills easily overall.

conversationpc wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:

Behshad wrote:I think what bothers me the most about Neal is that once he reached to that certain level, he stopped. He has had the potentials and ability to be one of the best the last 20 years, but when you're just satisfied with where youre at and dont push your goals further, thats what puts him on a lower part of my list.

Interersting. Many people who post here think Neal is better than ever. Well, they did b4 they dumped Jeff.

Exactly what I was thinking. The guy plays ALL THE TIME and has matured and is playing better than ever, in my opinion. Totally the opposite of Behshad's take on the guy. It can certainly be argued that he overdoes the shredding now but that's just a matter of taste. I think it's plainly obvious that he has improved his skills easily overall.

I wonder what the ends of his fingers look like.

For the most part he IS playing better than ever, but I agree w/ SinJin, gotta stop the orgasmic endings of songs now and the shrill 1 note holding and bending all over the place forever particularly in his solos now like SSB (still like it) and even in some songs? Not feeling that. Totally different than his guitar solos on Captured and the Escape DVD.

i think ive got this neal thing down...........now , in 2007 hes really comfortable with his style and sound, he goes out and sometimes changes the solo , in the middle of the song and experiments for the fun of it.. this last tour some of his solos made the song brand new,, just incredible... but..........

in the old days,, say,, the live video from departure, you can tell hes on top of the game with all other guitar players,, he was perfect on every song,, and then coming up with solos like "line of fire"..that solo was thought out BIG!! crazy amazing.. .......................if a guy does play guitar,, then i suggest learnign the solo to Be Good To Youself,, i would have never ever thought of it ...

NealIsGod wrote:

Behshad wrote:I think what bothers me the most about Neal is that once he reached to that certain level, he stopped. He has had the potentials and ability to be one of the best the last 20 years, but when you're just satisfied with where youre at and dont push your goals further, thats what puts him on a lower part of my list.

Interersting. Many people who post here think Neal is better than ever. Well, they did b4 they dumped Jeff.

Better than ever!? Hardly. Has he played and recorded any new decent solo's!? he knew how to shred 20 years ago. He has always used lots of emotion when writting some of his signature solo's. You can not tell me that he is a better guitar player, just cause he adds more shred to the National Anthem song.
Take a look at where Vai/Satriani were 20 years ago and where they are now. They have developed completely and come a long way since then, Neal hasnt. He has not pushed the limit. He may has improved his way to play his old solo's, but he can not create better solo's than what he wrote decades ago.

Behshad wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:

Behshad wrote:I think what bothers me the most about Neal is that once he reached to that certain level, he stopped. He has had the potentials and ability to be one of the best the last 20 years, but when you're just satisfied with where youre at and dont push your goals further, thats what puts him on a lower part of my list.

Interersting. Many people who post here think Neal is better than ever. Well, they did b4 they dumped Jeff.

Better than ever!? Hardly. Has he played and recorded any new decent solo's!? he knew how to shred 20 years ago. He has always used lots of emotion when writting some of his signature solo's. You can not tell me that he is a better guitar player, just cause he adds more shred to the National Anthem song.
Take a look at where Vai/Satriani were 20 years ago and where they are now. They have developed completely and come a long way since then, Neal hasnt. He has not pushed the limit. He may has improved his way to play his old solo's, but he can not create better solo's than what he wrote decades ago.

Yes, better than ever. It's always been his melodicism and the subleties in his playing that place him above most other players. The melodic solos aren't as plentiful over the last few years but check out the subtle things he throws into the mix on TBF or any of the albums over the last few years. They are still there and better than ever, in my opinion.

Behshad, ill tell ya someone on your list that has the schon/satriani/gary moore , thing combined,, John Norum... man , that guy is amazing AND writes like Phil Lynott...