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If u have a moment, could u define "Melodic Rock" to settle a debate between Matthew & I. Obviously, ur the most credible source.

Is it primarily ballads, w/some mid-tempo music as Matthew sees it? Is "metal" included in "melodic rock"?

Is it rock tunes sang by melodic singers including up-tempo rockers & a ballad or two sprinkled into the mix, as I have always thought.

I found this definition on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/syltgu ... entries*=0

"melodic rock is the child parented by blues-oriented hard rock represented by Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and progressive rock such as Yes, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Rush, and Emerson Lake and Palmer."

What's ur take?

Thanks.

JR (Susie) wrote:If u have a moment, could u define "Melodic Rock" to settle a debate between Matthew & I. Obviously, ur the most credible source.

Is it primarily ballads, w/some mid-tempo music as Matthew sees it? Is "metal" included in "melodic rock"?

Is it rock tunes sang by melodic singers including up-tempo rockers & a ballad or two sprinkled into the mix, as I have always thought.

I found this definition on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/syltgu ... entries*=0

"melodic rock is the child parented by blues-oriented hard rock represented by Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and progressive rock such as Yes, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Rush, and Emerson Lake and Palmer."

What's ur take?

Thanks.

While you're at it 'drew, are "Just The Same Way" and "Say You Will" ballads? Thanks all knowing one! I'm just gonna start calling you Yoda!

JR (Susie) wrote:
"melodic rock is the child parented by blues-oriented hard rock represented by Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and progressive rock such as Yes, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Rush, and Emerson Lake and Palmer."

Thanks.

What a load of ****. I wouldn't class any of these acts as defining melodic rock. Lots of stuff like metal, classic rock, AOR and hard rock is feautured here but the music that for me definies the term is stuff like JSS Prism, Harem Scarem, Eric Martin, Toto, Mike Tramp, Pride Of Lions etc...

Rock songs with an emphasis on melody, some rockers, some ballads.....but all MELODIC yet powerful. Not too heavy, not too light

Andrew wrote:

JR (Susie) wrote:
"melodic rock is the child parented by blues-oriented hard rock represented by Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and progressive rock such as Yes, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Rush, and Emerson Lake and Palmer."

Thanks.

What a load of ****. I wouldn't class any of these acts as defining melodic rock. Lots of stuff like metal, classic rock, AOR and hard rock is feautured here but the music that for me definies the term is stuff like JSS Prism, Harem Scarem, Eric Martin, Toto, Mike Tramp, Pride Of Lions etc...

Rock songs with an emphasis on melody, some rockers, some ballads.....but all MELODIC yet powerful. Not too heavy, not too light

You missed my question Yoda!!!!

Melodic Rock=Journey, Night Ranger, Toto and perhaps Asia

Saint John wrote:Melodic Rock=Journey, Night Ranger, Toto and perhaps Asia

and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXZRaa6GBy8

I'll cry like a damn baby if he doesn't play that one in SB.

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:Melodic Rock=Journey, Night Ranger, Toto and perhaps Asia

and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXZRaa6GBy8

While that mediocre ballad may fall into the category, it certainly isn't sung by someone that helped define the genre like the artists I listed.

Saint John wrote:

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:Melodic Rock=Journey, Night Ranger, Toto and perhaps Asia

and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXZRaa6GBy8

While that mediocre ballad may fall into the category, it certainly isn't sung by someone that helped define the genre like the artists I listed.

Disagree, when I think Melodic rock.......Eric Martin falls under that category, maybe not as popular as the ones you listed. Defining Melodic Rock is too subjective, everybody's melodic rock definition is going to be different.

LOL, there's already a "melodic rock" war going on.

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:Melodic Rock=Journey, Night Ranger, Toto and perhaps Asia

and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXZRaa6GBy8

While that mediocre ballad may fall into the category, it certainly isn't sung by someone that helped define the genre like the artists I listed.

Disagree, when I think Melodic rock.......Eric Martin falls under that category, maybe not as popular as the ones you listed. Defining Melodic Rock is too subjective, everybody's melodic rock definition is going to be different.

LOL, there's already a "melodic rock" war going on.

Deb, are you going to South Bend?

Saint John wrote:

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:Melodic Rock=Journey, Night Ranger, Toto and perhaps Asia

and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXZRaa6GBy8

While that mediocre ballad may fall into the category, it certainly isn't sung by someone that helped define the genre like the artists I listed.

Disagree, when I think Melodic rock.......Eric Martin falls under that category, maybe not as popular as the ones you listed. Defining Melodic Rock is too subjective, everybody's melodic rock definition is going to be different.

LOL, there's already a "melodic rock" war going on.

Deb, are you going to South Bend?

Yes.........and I'm bringing my pillow.

Looking forward to seeing Eric Martin (great voice) too.........so do hush up!

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:Melodic Rock=Journey, Night Ranger, Toto and perhaps Asia

and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXZRaa6GBy8

While that mediocre ballad may fall into the category, it certainly isn't sung by someone that helped define the genre like the artists I listed.

Disagree, when I think Melodic rock.......Eric Martin falls under that category, maybe not as popular as the ones you listed. Defining Melodic Rock is too subjective, everybody's melodic rock definition is going to be different.

LOL, there's already a "melodic rock" war going on.

Deb, are you going to South Bend?

Yes.........and I'm bringing my pillow.

Looking forward to seeing Eric Martin (great voice) too.........so do hush up!

Pillow? You think I'm gonna let ANYONE sleep?

Saint John wrote:

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:Melodic Rock=Journey, Night Ranger, Toto and perhaps Asia

and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXZRaa6GBy8

While that mediocre ballad may fall into the category, it certainly isn't sung by someone that helped define the genre like the artists I listed.

Disagree, when I think Melodic rock.......Eric Martin falls under that category, maybe not as popular as the ones you listed. Defining Melodic Rock is too subjective, everybody's melodic rock definition is going to be different.

LOL, there's already a "melodic rock" war going on.

Deb, are you going to South Bend?

Yes.........and I'm bringing my pillow.

Looking forward to seeing Eric Martin (great voice) too.........so do hush up!

Pillow? You think I'm gonna let ANYONE sleep?

LOL, I'm thinking that's a resounding NO! They'll probably be too busy forming a human shield around you to keep the cops away from ya.

Saint John wrote:Melodic Rock=Journey, Night Ranger, Toto and perhaps Asia

With those shit bands, no wonder Melodic rock is on it's death bed.

RockinDeano wrote:

Saint John wrote:Melodic Rock=Journey, Night Ranger, Toto and perhaps Asia

With those shit bands, no wonder Melodic rock is on it's death bed.

80's bands are more popular now than they have been in a LONG time. By the way, I forgot Def Leppard.

Deb1 wrote:
LOL, I'm thinking that's a resounding NO! They'll probably be too busy forming a human shield around you to keep the cops away from ya.

Dan, my brother is an electrician, and he just started working on a new addition to the Manassas jail. I think they should name the new wing after you...

Saint John wrote:

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:Melodic Rock=Journey, Night Ranger, Toto and perhaps Asia

and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXZRaa6GBy8

While that mediocre ballad may fall into the category, it certainly isn't sung by someone that helped define the genre like the artists I listed.

Disagree, when I think Melodic rock.......Eric Martin falls under that category, maybe not as popular as the ones you listed. Defining Melodic Rock is too subjective, everybody's melodic rock definition is going to be different.

LOL, there's already a "melodic rock" war going on.

Deb, are you going to South Bend?

Yes.........and I'm bringing my pillow.

Looking forward to seeing Eric Martin (great voice) too.........so do hush up!

Pillow? You think I'm gonna let ANYONE sleep?

That I know is a fact to be true!!!!!!!no sleep if Dan is around! I'm bringing my pillow too!

Saint John wrote:

RockinDeano wrote:

Saint John wrote:Melodic Rock=Journey, Night Ranger, Toto and perhaps Asia

With those shit bands, no wonder Melodic rock is on it's death bed.

80's bands are more popular now than they have been in a LONG time. By the way, I forgot Def Leppard.

And like it or not, Bon Jovi falls under Melodic Rock too.

Hmmmmmm, Melodic Rock, that sounds like it should mean rock music that has a melodic, musical rather than harsh, screaming sound to it. At least that's what it means to me. I guess it's in the ear of the listener.

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:

RockinDeano wrote:

Saint John wrote:Melodic Rock=Journey, Night Ranger, Toto and perhaps Asia

With those shit bands, no wonder Melodic rock is on it's death bed.

80's bands are more popular now than they have been in a LONG time. By the way, I forgot Def Leppard.

And like it or not, Bon Jovi falls under Melodic Rock too.

They certainly used to.

RaiderFan wrote:
While you're at it 'drew, are "Just The Same Way" and "Say You Will" ballads? Thanks all knowing one! I'm just gonna start calling you Yoda!

Perhaps not ballads in the sense of what the term and style of "power ballads" did for the whole ballad movement...but slow tempo pop/rock ballad sure....

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:

Deb1 wrote:

Saint John wrote:Melodic Rock=Journey, Night Ranger, Toto and perhaps Asia

and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXZRaa6GBy8

While that mediocre ballad may fall into the category, it certainly isn't sung by someone that helped define the genre like the artists I listed.

Disagree, when I think Melodic rock.......Eric Martin falls under that category, maybe not as popular as the ones you listed. Defining Melodic Rock is too subjective, everybody's melodic rock definition is going to be different.

LOL, there's already a "melodic rock" war going on.

Deb, are you going to South Bend?

Yes.........and I'm bringing my pillow.

Looking forward to seeing Eric Martin (great voice) too.........so do hush up!

Pillow? You think I'm gonna let ANYONE sleep?

LOL, I'm thinking that's a resounding NO! They'll probably be too busy forming a human shield around you to keep the cops away from ya.

no need for a huge crew. me and carol, the granny gropies, are in charge of this.

Andrew wrote:

JR (Susie) wrote:
"melodic rock is the child parented by blues-oriented hard rock represented by Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and progressive rock such as Yes, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Rush, and Emerson Lake and Palmer."

Thanks.

What a load of ****. I wouldn't class any of these acts as defining melodic rock. Lots of stuff like metal, classic rock, AOR and hard rock is feautured here but the music that for me definies the term is stuff like JSS Prism, Harem Scarem, Eric Martin, Toto, Mike Tramp, Pride Of Lions etc...

Rock songs with an emphasis on melody, some rockers, some ballads.....but all MELODIC yet powerful. Not too heavy, not too light

Andrew - the quote actually said melodic rock was "the child" of hard/progressive rock - which is true, isn't it? I guess the guy was thinking about Asia - who came out the progressive bands Yes and ELP - and maybe some of the most famous AOR bands of the 1980s who used to be hard rock bands in the 1970s - such as Foreigner.


I just looked up melodic rock in Wikipedia - and amazingly it says:

"Melodic Rock came about in the mid-to-late 1990s. It is seen as a throwback to the pop-metal and pop-rock eras and a counter-reaction against the grunge, alternative, bubblegum, retro-disco, and Latin sounds of the mid-to-late 1990s. Many of these acts are bands, band members, and musicians from popular bands of the earlier eras, such as Toto, Foreigner, and Van Halen. Newer acts in the genre often use veteran songwriters such as Jim Peterik, Stan Bush, and Marcie Free."

I didn't realise that "Melodic Rock" was a term distinct from - say - 80s AOR. I'd always thought MR was an umbrella term rather than a specific and relatively recent movement.

Matthew wrote:Andrew - the quote actually said melodic rock was "the child" of hard/progressive rock - which is true, isn't it? I guess the guy was thinking about Asia - who came out the progressive bands Yes and ELP - and maybe some of the most famous AOR bands of the 1980s who used to be hard rock bands in the 1970s - such as Foreigner.


I just looked up melodic rock in Wikipedia - and amazingly it says:

"Melodic Rock came about in the mid-to-late 1990s. It is seen as a throwback to the pop-metal and pop-rock eras and a counter-reaction against the grunge, alternative, bubblegum, retro-disco, and Latin sounds of the mid-to-late 1990s. Many of these acts are bands, band members, and musicians from popular bands of the earlier eras, such as Toto, Foreigner, and Van Halen. Newer acts in the genre often use veteran songwriters such as Jim Peterik, Stan Bush, and Marcie Free."

I didn't realise that "Melodic Rock" was a term distinct from - say - 80s AOR. I'd always thought MR was an umbrella term rather than a specific and relatively recent movement.

The "child" of eh? Still sounds a bit bollocky to me.
Sammy Hagar was melodic rock before shifting to hard rock then Buffet Rock. His solo stuff started in 1980-ish...
I guess no one owns the term and a few more melodic pop bands came from those progressive beasts - true enough.

The term has been around a lot longer than the mid-late 90s though...more like early 80s.

Andrew wrote:
The term has been around a lot longer than the mid-late 90s though...more like early 80s.

That's what I thought....although I guess the term used most often then was AOR - or "wimp rock" or "wimpem" as Kerrang! often termed it.

Andrew wrote:
Sammy Hagar was melodic rock before shifting to hard rock then Buffet Rock. His solo stuff started in 1980-ish...
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And Boston released their first album back in 1975. They are definitely the godfathers of melodic rock, don't you think?


By the way...what is "Buffet Rock"? Is that "buffet" as in the all-you-can-eat dinner spread you help yourself to?

Matthew wrote:

Andrew wrote:
Sammy Hagar was melodic rock before shifting to hard rock then Buffet Rock. His solo stuff started in 1980-ish...
.

And Boston released their first album back in 1975. They are definitely the godfathers of melodic rock, don't you think?


By the way...what is "Buffet Rock"? Is that "buffett" as in the all-you-can-eat dinner spread you help yourself to?

It's Jimmy Buffet music. You know the song "Margaritaville"? Is he popular at all in the UK, Matt?

NealIsGod wrote:

Matthew wrote:

Andrew wrote:
Sammy Hagar was melodic rock before shifting to hard rock then Buffet Rock. His solo stuff started in 1980-ish...
.

And Boston released their first album back in 1975. They are definitely the godfathers of melodic rock, don't you think?


By the way...what is "Buffet Rock"? Is that "buffett" as in the all-you-can-eat dinner spread you help yourself to?

It's Jimmy Buffet music. You know the song "Margaritaville"? Is he popular at all in the UK, Matt?

He's the guy who did "Five O'Clock Somewhere" with Alan Jackson isn't he? That was about margaritas too, I think....

No NIG - he's not a mainstream name over here - but country fans probably know about him.

Matthew wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:

Matthew wrote:

Andrew wrote:
Sammy Hagar was melodic rock before shifting to hard rock then Buffet Rock. His solo stuff started in 1980-ish...
.

And Boston released their first album back in 1975. They are definitely the godfathers of melodic rock, don't you think?


By the way...what is "Buffet Rock"? Is that "buffett" as in the all-you-can-eat dinner spread you help yourself to?

It's Jimmy Buffet music. You know the song "Margaritaville"? Is he popular at all in the UK, Matt?

He's the guy who did "Five O'Clock Somewhere" with Alan Jackson isn't he? That was about margaritas too, I think....

No NIG - he's not a mainstream name over here - but country fans probably know about him.

Sammy's last CD (and his whole lifestyle) is basically about chilling out on the beach, which is what Jimmy Buffet always sings about. Sammy seems to be mellowing out in his old age.

Matthew wrote:And Boston released their first album back in 1975. They are definitely the godfathers of melodic rock, don't you think?

Anal Boston fan here...The debut was released in 1976.

conversationpc wrote:

Matthew wrote:And Boston released their first album back in 1975. They are definitely the godfathers of melodic rock, don't you think?

Anal Boston fan here...The debut was released in 1976.

Thank God you're here to correct everybody's errors.