Neal Schon....

by **Saint John** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:10 pm

you keep insisting that Steve Perry "can't sing" anymore. What you fail to realize is that we, the fans, want to see the classic lineup on the same stage. Steve Perry, along with the rest of the band, made those songs a part of our lives. We don't give a fuck if someone can sing them closer to the original sound. We want Steve Perry to sing them...however it may sound. Neal, cut the bullshit. Your karaoke machine is done. Perry, give us a fuckin' answer. This is ridiculous. Never before, in the history of music, have such loyal fans been treated like shit. You guys are both assholes. No "gag" order can stop me from saying that. :evil:

by **Rhiannon** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:27 pm

Journey: Giving Fans the Shaft since 1984. :lol:

by **Saint John** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:31 pm

Blue Radio Girl wrote:Journey: Giving Fans the Shaft since 1984.

Pretty much.

by **Rhiannon** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:35 pm

Saint John wrote:
Blue Radio Girl wrote:Journey: Giving Fans the Shaft since 1984.

Pretty much.

It could be worse....

by **Rockindeano** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:36 pm

Please explain to me how this is Neal's fault?

by **NealIsGod** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:38 pm

Rockindeano wrote:Please explain to me how this is Neal's fault?

Oh, everything is, Dean. Haven't you been reading the forum over the past few months. :roll:

by **heardonthestreet** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:14 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Please explain to me how this is Neal's fault?

Oh, everything is, Dean. Haven't you been reading the forum over the past few months.

Whoever had the final say about moving on without him after he warned them that there would be no going back.................
It's HIS fault. I'd love to know if any of the guys argued that it was a bad move. Smitty maybe.

by **strangegrey** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:24 am

heardonthestreet wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Please explain to me how this is Neal's fault?

Oh, everything is, Dean. Haven't you been reading the forum over the past few months.

Whoever had the final say about moving on without him after he warned them that there would be no going back.................
It's HIS fault. I'd love to know if any of the guys argued that it was a bad move. Smitty maybe.

Oh, PLEASE, for the love of all that is holy, shut up...Perry jumped, he wasn't pushed!
If you don't show up for work for 18 months and expect to have your job waiting for you when you get back, did you quit or were you fired? It's semantics....but the choice to not show up for work, IS YOURS...NOT your employers!

by **Ms_M** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:36 am

Blue Radio Girl wrote:Journey: Giving Fans the Shaft since 1984.

THIS should be the new forum motto.

by **SPFan4ever** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:37 am

Steve has even said he had to jump off the merry go round for his own life. When they disbanded before, they all agreed not to continue on as Journey. The second time when he had his hip injury, they decided to go on without him after 2 years.

He also stated he was given an ultimatum and he does not respond well to ultimatums. So, who knows. Neal and Jon would take him back in a heart beat, but Steve wants no part of it. He is enjoying his life and finds peace remembering Journey. He said it was a "great ride."

To blame one person IMO, is just ignorant. There were alot of factors that only Journey knows about.

by **strangegrey** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:56 am

SPFan4ever wrote:To blame one person IMO, is just ignorant. There were alot of factors that only Journey knows about.

Well said...and to expand on that, there are factors that Steve knows about that Neal is ignorant of...and vice versa. I don't think, even at this stage and at their age, they've been at all honest with eachother...let alone their fans.

by **heardonthestreet** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:08 am

strangegrey wrote:
heardonthestreet wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Please explain to me how this is Neal's fault?

Oh, everything is, Dean. Haven't you been reading the forum over the past few months.

Whoever had the final say about moving on without him after he warned them that there would be no going back.................
It's HIS fault. I'd love to know if any of the guys argued that it was a bad move. Smitty maybe.

Oh, PLEASE, for the love of all that is holy, shut up...Perry jumped, he wasn't pushed!
If you don't show up for work for 18 months and expect to have your job waiting for you when you get back, did you quit or were you fired? It's semantics....but the choice to not show up for work, IS YOURS...NOT your employers!

But we're talking about a rock band. He was not pushed, he did not jump, he was left behind. He asked them to do whatever they had to and leave Journey alone. They did it before and if they were such fine musicians that they were professed to be, they could have satisfied their solo efforts and waited.

Lots of business's will give an important member a leave of absence if needed for r/r. Especially if that person is a vital member. :wink:

by **strangegrey** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:29 am

heardonthestreet wrote:Lots of business's will give an important member a leave of absence if needed for r/r. Especially if that person is a vital member.

Not true, we're talking about a business where 5 people are responsible for a whole lot more than 5 salaries. This isn't IBM where someone in upper management is given hiatus for medical (or in this particular analogy) mental health reasons. The business entity, in IBMs case, can more forward without the person, no matter how vital, as there would surely be redundancy in place in a public firm.

The fact of the matter was they were faced with a decission...move forward or shut down.

You can't see that distinction, because you have your head so far up Perrys ass, that you don't need to put sunscreen on your legs!

by **SPFan4ever** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:40 am

Meanwhile, Journey is on the road with a new singer, Steve Augeri, who sounds enough like Perry to warrant suspicions that Scottish cloning scientists were somehow involved in the auditioning process. Perry diplomatically refuses to comment on the matter or speak ill of his old bandmates, however, noting only that they made a choice, just as he did when he decided to leave the fold on account of his hip surgery. He looks back on the golden years with fondness, however, proudly claiming that he can remember when, where and how each and every song was written. He laughs about the savaging that the "Separate Ways" video got at the hands of Beavis & Butthead and adamantly swears he had nothing to do with the Atari 2600 Journey Escape video game, but still stands up for the music against any and all criticism or "faceless, corporate band" stereotyping.

http://steveperryonline.net/interview/article12.html

Another interesting conversation with John Kalodner interviewed by Uncle Joe.

Transcript of John Kalodner interview on Off The Record

Posted by Kate, transcribed by Jan for the Unofficial Steve Perry Fanclub

Go here for full transcript

Uncle Joe: You mentioned, ahhh, being around the tour, that Journey was on with Bryan Adams and Sammy Hagar did part of that. When did you finally hook up with the guys from Journey because they were ….
John Kalodner: Well, you know, obviously I put the song on Vision Quest, Only The Young. And I did a record with Sammy and Neal, Hagar, Schon, Aaronson, HSAS. And I, y’know I think probably next to Tyler, I mean Steve Perry is, is my favourite singer, Tyler, Robert Plant, you know, Steve Perry and ummm, I just always love Journey, so when I came to Columbia, I started remastering their records properly and technically treating their records and going to see Steve Perry on his solo tour, and convinced him to talk to Neal and Jonathan again, and they made that Trial By Fire record, and it’s always been great to work with Steve Perry; it’s different, but it’s great, I mean I wish he’d go back with Journey, but, y’know, it’s his decision and I mean, I work with him now, cause y'know, I'm repackaging their DVDs, and it’s his life, he can do what he wants, and I’ll try to help him if he wants to repackage something, if he wants to start a new band, if he wants to produce a band, but it’s, ummm, one of those people you always want to work with, even though it's currently difficult and unusual because he’s one of the great talents, and y’know, maybe one of the legendary singers in pop music and rock music ….

Uncle Joe: He’s still got the voice …
John Kalodner: Yeah, and still has everything, y’know I have lunch with him and he’s a star and looks like a star, so even when I go to restaurants and people still notice him he has the aura of a star, still, even just wearing regular clothes, because he’s a star, Steve Perry is a star as a singer, as a songwriter, as a personality.

Track: Journey – Separate Ways

Uncle Joe: Is it completely his decision whether he rejoins the band or not, d’you think?
John Kalodner: It’s completely his decision. I mean, I think, y’know, there’s always bands have conflicts and I’m not sure what, y’know, his issues are with Neal and Jonathan or, y’know, the former manager, Herbie Herbert, who was a great manager, but they would take him back in a second, I mean, there’s not even a question. Who wouldn’t wanna go on tour, at least one tour with Steve Perry, I mean everyone that I know from anyone who’s y’know,16 to 60, they’d love to see Journey one time ...

Uncle Joe: Uh Huh
John Kalodner: with Steve Perry singing those songs, so it’s totally up to him.

Uncle Joe: Tremendous band. John Kalodner: And I just hope he does it, but no-one should try to influence him it should be something that he wants to do.

http://steveperryonline.net/news/news02272004.html

by **Monker** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:41 am

heardonthestreet wrote:He asked them to do whatever they had to and leave Journey alone.

I wonder if Ross and Smith said the same thing when Perry fired them.

Perhaps Perry should have taken his own advice instead of rejoining the band for TBF.

by **SPFan4ever** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:48 am

Monker... true about there being a conflict at that particular time during Trial by Fire. In the end, the whole band dispersed. BUT, they reunited and it was like there had not been any time lapsed. When Steve left Journey again, so did Steve Smith stating that Journey would not survive without Perry. There must not have been any hard feelings at all.

Journey didn't survive IMO and they had a chance to take Journey in another direction with JSS, but as I am sure you already know what they did to him.

by **heardonthestreet** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:53 am

strangegrey wrote:
heardonthestreet wrote:Lots of business's will give an important member a leave of absence if needed for r/r. Especially if that person is a vital member.

Not true, we're talking about a business where 5 people are responsible for a whole lot more than 5 salaries. This isn't IBM where someone in upper management is given hiatus for medical (or in this particular analogy) mental health reasons. The business entity, in IBMs case, can more forward without the person, no matter how vital, as there would surely be redundancy in place in a public firm.

The fact of the matter was they were faced with a decission...move forward or shut down.

You can't see that distinction, because you have your head so far up Perrys ass, that you don't need to put sunscreen on your legs!

They should have shut down and waited. Looking back, it would have been the smart thing to do. We would have ended up with the Classics, just as it's all that is really relevant now or they might have gotten it back together now and then for more of the magic. All of their lives might have had less stress.

by **CatEyes** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:00 am

strangegrey wrote:
heardonthestreet wrote:Lots of business's will give an important member a leave of absence if needed for r/r. Especially if that person is a vital member.

Not true, we're talking about a business where 5 people are responsible for a whole lot more than 5 salaries. This isn't IBM where someone in upper management is given hiatus for medical (or in this particular analogy) mental health reasons. The business entity, in IBMs case, can more forward without the person, no matter how vital, as there would surely be redundancy in place in a public firm.

The fact of the matter was they were faced with a decission...move forward or shut down.

You can't see that distinction, because you have your head so far up Perrys ass, that you don't need to put sunscreen on your legs!

Def Leppard

Metallica

by **Perrydise** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:02 am

Perhaps the reason Perry isnt doing this is because he wants to keep himself "clean" from all the crap that happens on the road from long tours. He is human and as a human he has his demons like we all have and he knows how to keep them in check. If it was me, and it was a choice between screaming adoring fans or my over all general physical/mental health, I would put myself first. He probably has alot of good sound healthy reasons for staying away from the band and touring again. It's his life let him live it.

Money doesn't motivate everybody.

by **strangegrey** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:52 am

heardonthestreet wrote:They should have shut down and waited. Looking back, it would have been the smart thing to do. We would have ended up with the Classics, just as it's all that is really relevant now or they might have gotten it back together now and then for more of the magic. All of their lives might have had less stress.

Why do that? There were french sluts to bang, wives to divorce (and pay off), more singers to fuck over....
Why wait for Perry when there's so much damage yet to do!

However....and seriously, speaking....*I* wouldn't have waited for perry at that point....he held the band hostage between 87 and 95....then tried to do it again in 96.

You can't seem to see the truth that all parties involved fucked this up. Your precious Stevie contributed just as much damage, while he was involved in Journey, as Fucka and Fro did over the past 10 years....

by **yak** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:57 am

Perrydise wrote:
Money doesn't motivate everybody.

Especially when you already have enough to hold everybody hostage with.

by **Perrydise** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:10 am

yak wrote:
Perrydise wrote:
Money doesn't motivate everybody.

Especially when you already have enough to hold everybody hostage with.

Due to good financial decisions and not screwing every dumb ass bitch that walks by you.

by **NealIsGod** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:15 am

Perrydise wrote:Perhaps the reason Perry isnt doing this is because he wants to keep himself "clean" from all the crap that happens on the road from long tours. He is human and as a human he has his demons like we all have and he knows how to keep them in check.

Yup, I think that is probably the #1 reason he is not an active rock star.

by **SPFan4ever** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:23 am

Yep, his Mama raised him right.

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 4:27 am

SPFan4ever wrote:Yep, his Mama raised him right.

What?

by **SPFan4ever** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:10 am

It is southern slang, sorry deano. It only means he has a heart.

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:20 am

SPFan4ever wrote:It is southern slang, sorry deano. It only means he has a heart.

Yeah, I know. However, I am saying dude is not the angel you Loons all peg him out to be. He had his misbehaving moments too.

by **Gordon from Edinburgh** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:23 am

strangegrey wrote:
heardonthestreet wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Please explain to me how this is Neal's fault?

Oh, everything is, Dean. Haven't you been reading the forum over the past few months.

Whoever had the final say about moving on without him after he warned them that there would be no going back.................
It's HIS fault. I'd love to know if any of the guys argued that it was a bad move. Smitty maybe.

Oh, PLEASE, for the love of all that is holy, shut up...Perry jumped, he wasn't pushed!
If you don't show up for work for 18 months and expect to have your job waiting for you when you get back, did you quit or were you fired? It's semantics....but the choice to not show up for work, IS YOURS...NOT your employers!

Yeah but our employers don't make the kind of cash from us, that these guys made having him at the front. IF they had waited 2,3 maybe even 4 years and he did tour - they might have still been in a very healthy position....................

by **Rockindeano** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:33 am

Gordon from Edinburgh wrote:
strangegrey wrote:
heardonthestreet wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Please explain to me how this is Neal's fault?

Oh, everything is, Dean. Haven't you been reading the forum over the past few months.

Whoever had the final say about moving on without him after he warned them that there would be no going back.................
It's HIS fault. I'd love to know if any of the guys argued that it was a bad move. Smitty maybe.

Oh, PLEASE, for the love of all that is holy, shut up...Perry jumped, he wasn't pushed!
If you don't show up for work for 18 months and expect to have your job waiting for you when you get back, did you quit or were you fired? It's semantics....but the choice to not show up for work, IS YOURS...NOT your employers!

Yeah but our employers don't make the kind of cash from us, that these guys made having him at the front. IF they had waited 2,3 maybe even 4 years and he did tour - they might have still been in a very healthy position....................

And what if most likely, those 2,3 or 4 years turned out to be 7,8 or 11 years? Neal is supposed to just wait?

by **SPFan4ever** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:36 am

Rockindeano wrote:
SPFan4ever wrote:It is southern slang, sorry deano. It only means he has a heart.

Yeah, I know. However, I am saying dude is not the angel you Loons all peg him out to be. He had his misbehaving moments too.

Yeah, I know and he admitted that too.

MR

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