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It's coming folks. While we've been busy debating the virtues of SP and company, our wonderful government has cooked up the ultimate scheme: National ID cards. Starting in O8, we'll all be required to report down to our local DMV, and apply for this card, essentially making our current forms of ID, DL, passports, birth certificates etc, worthless. All our information, financial and medical will be stored on these cards. Without it, we will not be able to drive, apply for jobs, or even hop an airplane. We will essentially be at our governments mercy. Most people will accept it without batting an eyelash, but this is only the beginning....

http://www.epic.org/privacy/id_cards/

After this fails, because there will be security breaches, they'll jump to the next step, the final step: micro chipping individuals.

This has in fact already happened, voluntarily. What happens when it's not so voluntary?

http://www.g4tv.com/techtvvault/features/36645/Florida_Family_to_Get_VeriChip.html

There starting small. First it was animals. Animals? Animals? They're going to treat us like Cattle? Now, it's criminals. They're talking about chipping the infirm, people with Alzheimers and the like. Next? It will be us.


You have to say "No." This is not freedom. This is not security. This is TYRANNY.

Yep...It is coming and it's really frightening.Just take a look at this:http://www.tldm.org/News4/MarkoftheBeast.htm

But everything was already written in the Bible.

And he shall make all, both little and great, rich and poor, freemen and bondmen, to have a character in their right hand or on their foreheads.And that no man might buy or sell, but he that hath the character, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. (Apocalypse Chapter 13: 16-17)

Unfortunately,saying No will equate with Death.


This isn't helping my insomnia.

A national ID card is debatable. A microchip implanted in the skin is not. I can't believe anyone would willingly do that.

conversationpc wrote:A national ID card is debatable. A microchip implanted in the skin is not. I can't believe anyone would willingly do that.

You would be shocked at the number of people who would not only willingly take a chip, but volunteer. My DL is up for renewal next year. NC has accepted the REAL ID whole heartedly. States have the ability to opt out, but they are going make it so difficult, that eventually they'll opt in too.

Guess I should start stock piling....

scarygirl wrote:

conversationpc wrote:A national ID card is debatable. A microchip implanted in the skin is not. I can't believe anyone would willingly do that.

You would be shocked at the number of people who would not only willingly take a chip, but volunteer. My DL is up for renewal next year. NC has accepted the REAL ID whole heartedly. States have the ability to opt out, but they are going make it so difficult, that eventually they'll opt in too.

Guess I should start stock piling....

That said, I don't believe the REAL ID to be the actual MARK, but we're getting there.

I've been trying to throw this all in the back of my mind, but I just realized last night that the REAL ID is not years away, but with the next year or two. Kind of throws a different spin on things. A slapping back to reality. All that talk I heard growing up about the last days; it's not hyperbole; it's not theory; it's real.

Not trying to turn this into a political debate, but of the current presidential candidates, do you believe any of them can be trusted to do the right thing for our country or is this all a lost cause?

I'll enjoy reading up on this later -- I haven't been following the RealID situation closely, but do care about what's going on. Heck, they already have been implanting chips in pets for some time... several veterinarians here in town offer that service.

Whether this is actually the place to discuss it or not, I can't say, but if it's being discussed here, I'm in!

It's strange how we look at things like "the mark", or the Antichrist, and ask how people will be able to accept them so readily given all the stigma attached to them. I've finally realized the answer to that question lies in the subtlety of the approach and the gradual, bit-by-bit erosion of freedoms (nothing too sudden). People are already becoming totally desensitized to privacy issues, and have been practically trained to blab everything anywhere (MySpace, anyone?). People are becoming desensitized to being monitored all the time. Well, not me!

Let me say this though, to be totally fair. The last I looked at RealID was from an article in a prophecy mag, and found that they'd completely (and possibly deliberately) misrepresented some facts concerning the topic to give it more of a sense of urgency. It's a very popular magazine, so they don't seem like hacks... I only care for the truth (not "truthiness"... haha!), and don't let my side distort the facts, either. That only hurts one's cause. There is a lot of sensationalism in Christian publications as well, so I'm skeptical of just about everything unless the facts are there to back it up.

scarygirl wrote:Not trying to turn this into a political debate, but of the current presidential candidates, do you believe any of them can be trusted to do the right thing for our country or is this all a lost cause?

Rokken's answer in a nutshell... "NO!" There is no one up there who represents my views, and power only corrupts individuals. Since we are on the topic of prophecy, we all know things will get a lot worse before they get better, so things have to decline sometime. I think we've all but given our country away to serve the political interests of the few, and they've gotten us in situations that are far too hard to pull ourselves out of. I always think that there may be a better choice between two (or more) people, but not necessarily a good choice. I think we are past good choices at this point.

I am not for it.

I was just reading where NC is one of the first states to put a stamp on the back of DL's. The stamp is of North America. (Canada and Mex, USA). Whats that all about? Are they trying to form some sort of one nation thing? What exactly does Canada and Mexico have to do with NC?

In 10 states last week, cities have started to issue municipal cards to illegals, this will allow them to get bank accounts, Dl's and employment.

In this country anymore the left doesnt know what the right is doing and vice versa.

Perrydise wrote:I was just reading where NC is one of the first states to put a stamp on the back of DL's. The stamp is of North America. (Canada and Mex, USA). Whats that all about? Are they trying to form some sort of one nation thing? What exactly does Canada and Mexico have to do with NC?

In 10 states last week, cities have started to issue municipal cards to illegals, this will allow them to get bank accounts, Dl's and employment.

In this country anymore the left doesnt know what the right is doing and vice versa.

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The thing you speak of is THe North American Union, and they wish to do exactlyy that. Join us into one big, happy country.

Thread by thread, we're unraveling. Unfortunately, Gen X and below are going to be here to enjoy the fun.

Orwell's 1984 is really happening. From speed and red light cameras to national ID cards our privacy has been slowly eaten away at, but everyone just seems to go along with it in the name of "safety".

I know what's next. Cameras in the homes of sex offenders because it will protect the children. Then cameras will be placed in the house of all convicted felons. It will keep trickling down and the next thing you know, all homes will already become equiped with cameras.

scarygirl wrote:The thing you speak of is THe North American Union, and they wish to do exactlyy that. Join us into one big, happy country.

You all need to check these two websites out. There's a lot of info on the internet.

http://stopthenau.org/

http://www.newswithviews.com/Wood/patrick18.htm



Jorge Bush is selling out America, with the help of the rest of the spineless jellyfish on both sides. This is a deliberate attempt to do away with America as we know it. We all need to wake up, and speak up!

It's why you have to look far and wide to find something not "Made in China." The corporations are busy selling your children toys made with lead, while at the same time in this country people are bending over backwards to fix the lead problem we already have.


This is also why illegals are allowed to enter our country, while we are "over there" fighting the terrorists, so they don't come here. They're already here!!!! The illegals are coming to take your child's rightful place in college (paid for with your taxes), and are willing to do your jobs for way cheaper than you would.

Seriously, check those websites, especially the second one.

scarygirl wrote:. Starting in O8, we'll all be required to report down to our local DMV, and apply for this card, essentially making our current forms of ID, DL, passports, birth certificates etc, worthless. All our information, financial and medical will be stored on these cards. Without it, we will not be able to drive, apply for jobs, or even hop an airplane. We will essentially be at our governments mercy. Most people will accept it without batting an eyelash, but this is only the beginning....

Actually the article quoted does not support this idea at all.

The opening paragraph:

New York and San Francisco Consider ID Cards for Undocumented Immigrants. San Francisco and New York are debating proposals to create city identification cards that would be available to any resident, regardless of citizenship status. Such cards would establish legal identity and residency and allow cardholders to access basic services such as banking, aid for the homeless and library access. In July, New Haven, Conn., began issuing the first such city-sponsored ID cards to undocumented immigrants.

This is just a State issued id card for people who have no other forms of id.

Ohio and Florida have had them for years and they are not just for immigrants. Many people who do not have a driver's license use them for those times they need to present a photo id.

Altho I do believe that the entire Bush family is it's own axis of evil, ithat opinion was formed long before this issue came up.

Cat

CatEyes wrote:

scarygirl wrote:. Starting in O8, we'll all be required to report down to our local DMV, and apply for this card, essentially making our current forms of ID, DL, passports, birth certificates etc, worthless. All our information, financial and medical will be stored on these cards. Without it, we will not be able to drive, apply for jobs, or even hop an airplane. We will essentially be at our governments mercy. Most people will accept it without batting an eyelash, but this is only the beginning....

Actually the article quoted does not support this idea at all.

The opening paragraph:

New York and San Francisco Consider ID Cards for Undocumented Immigrants. San Francisco and New York are debating proposals to create city identification cards that would be available to any resident, regardless of citizenship status. Such cards would establish legal identity and residency and allow cardholders to access basic services such as banking, aid for the homeless and library access. In July, New Haven, Conn., began issuing the first such city-sponsored ID cards to undocumented immigrants.

This is just a State issued id card for people who have no other forms of id.

Ohio and Florida have had them for years and they are not just for immigrants. Many people who do not have a driver's license use them for those times they need to present a photo id.

Regardless of what the quoted articles say, this is intended to be a national ID card for everyone eventually. There have been articles in Indiana newspapers about this, saying how cumbersome the system already is to get a driver's license and how much of a nightmare it would be if Indiana goes along with the Real ID Act.

Altho I do believe that the entire Bush family is it's own axis of evil, ithat opinion was formed long before this issue came up.

If the Bush family is the axis, the Clintons are the core.

conversationpc wrote:

CatEyes wrote:

scarygirl wrote:. Starting in O8, we'll all be required to report down to our local DMV, and apply for this card, essentially making our current forms of ID, DL, passports, birth certificates etc, worthless. All our information, financial and medical will be stored on these cards. Without it, we will not be able to drive, apply for jobs, or even hop an airplane. We will essentially be at our governments mercy. Most people will accept it without batting an eyelash, but this is only the beginning....

Actually the article quoted does not support this idea at all.

The opening paragraph:

New York and San Francisco Consider ID Cards for Undocumented Immigrants. San Francisco and New York are debating proposals to create city identification cards that would be available to any resident, regardless of citizenship status. Such cards would establish legal identity and residency and allow cardholders to access basic services such as banking, aid for the homeless and library access. In July, New Haven, Conn., began issuing the first such city-sponsored ID cards to undocumented immigrants.

This is just a State issued id card for people who have no other forms of id.

Ohio and Florida have had them for years and they are not just for immigrants. Many people who do not have a driver's license use them for those times they need to present a photo id.

Regardless of what the quoted articles say, this is intended to be a national ID card for everyone eventually. There have been articles in Indiana newspapers about this, saying how cumbersome the system already is to get a driver's license and how much of a nightmare it would be if Indiana goes along with the Real ID Act.

CatEyes wrote:Altho I do believe that the entire Bush family is it's own axis of evil, ithat opinion was formed long before this issue came up.

Cat

If the Bush family is the axis, the Clintons are the core.

I corrected your quotes

I think we realize that it doesn't really matter what the PUBLIC wants, the government will do as they wish and the money men want them to do.

Perrydise wrote:I think we realize that it doesn't really matter what the PUBLIC wants, the government will do as they wish and the money men want them to do.

Nope! That's called giving up...and giving in. That's what they're counting on.

CatEyes wrote:This is just a State issued id card for people who have no other forms of id.

Ohio and Florida have had them for years and they are not just for immigrants. Many people who do not have a driver's license use them for those times they need to present a photo id.

Cat

That's a step in the direction they want to go, don't you think? Small steps...one at a time....little increments here and there....seemingly so nobody will notice.

This is the first I've heard of this and I really can't tell from this one article what the intent is. I'm sure the Bush administration would say it's a means of accounting for the unregistered aliens in this country. As if that would work, but then nothing he's done has worked so why would I expect this to be any better.

scarygirl wrote:Not trying to turn this into a political debate, but of the current presidential candidates, do you believe any of them can be trusted to do the right thing for our country or is this all a lost cause?

Time will tell, I suppose, but it can't really get much worse than the guy we're stuck with presently, can it?

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

scarygirl wrote:Not trying to turn this into a political debate, but of the current presidential candidates, do you believe any of them can be trusted to do the right thing for our country or is this all a lost cause?

Time will tell, I suppose, but it can't really get much worse than the guy we're stuck with presently, can it?

Precisely. At this point, even though the ideal candidate may not exist it's not going to be hard to get somone better than Dumbya.

ohsherrie wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

scarygirl wrote:Not trying to turn this into a political debate, but of the current presidential candidates, do you believe any of them can be trusted to do the right thing for our country or is this all a lost cause?

Time will tell, I suppose, but it can't really get much worse than the guy we're stuck with presently, can it?

Precisely. At this point, even though the ideal candidate may not exist it's not going to be hard to get somone better than Dumbya.

Dubya has been good at one thing for sure. Giving comedians plenty of material.

Rick wrote:

ohsherrie wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Time will tell, I suppose, but it can't really get much worse than the guy we're stuck with presently, can it?

Precisely. At this point, even though the ideal candidate may not exist it's not going to be hard to get somone better than Dumbya.

Dubya has been good at one thing for sure. Giving comedians plenty of material.

Yeah. Just what we need in a president.
And when your legacy as a president is pissing off half the world (including the country that "elected" you) and providing stand-ups with endless fodder... time to call it a day. Comedians hit the motherload, of course, but the joke's on all of us.

I'm sick of all the Hilary jokes, the John Edwars jokes and all the rest. Honestly, can it really get that much worse at this point?
I'm thinking not. We're practically under marshall law with all this stupid ID business as it is.

ohsherrie wrote:This is the first I've heard of this and I really can't tell from this one article what the intent is. I'm sure the Bush administration would say it's a means of accounting for the unregistered aliens in this country. As if that would work, but then nothing he's done has worked so why would I expect this to be any better.

This kind of thing has been in the works since long before the Bush administration.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:Yeah. Just what we need in a president.
And when your legacy as a president is pissing off half the world (including the country that "elected" you) and providing stand-ups with endless fodder... time to call it a day. Comedians hit the motherload, of course, but the joke's on all of us.

There were plenty of jokes during the Clinton years, if you haven't forgotten. Should he have called it a day, also?

I'm sick of all the Hilary jokes, the John Edwars jokes and all the rest. Honestly, can it really get that much worse at this point?
I'm thinking not. We're practically under marshall law with all this stupid ID business as it is.

Edwards is the biggest fake in politics and that's saying something considering how many of them there are in the Republican and Democratic parties.

Based on what I've read so far about this the biggest problem I see is that it's giving illegals a legally registered ID in this country so they can have an easier time taking advantage of our social services rather than sending them back where they came from. The rest of us are already so registered and identified(birth certificate, SS, IRS, DMV, voter registration, marriage lisence, etc) that I can't see where this card is going to make any difference other than wasting a lot of money.

ohsherrie wrote:Based on what I've read so far about this the biggest problem I see is that it's giving illegals a legally registered ID in this country so they can have an easier time taking advantage of our social services rather than sending them back where they came from. The rest of us are already so registered and identified(birth certificate, SS, IRS, DMV, voter registration, marriage lisence, etc) that I can't see where this card is going to make any difference other than wasting a lot of money.

Agreed.

I just heard something on GMA that seems a little ironic in light of this discussion. A federal judge just blocked a rule requiring that employers fire any employees whose names don't match their SS#. Am I the only one thinking that's a bit absurd? It's as if their bending over backwards to make sure the illegals are protected here.

Most companies have as a standard rule that misrepresenting your qualifications in your application and/or resume is grounds for immediate dismissal. So I guess you can be fired for saying you have a degree when you're actually a credit or two shy of it, but if you lie about who you are or your status in this country that's no problem.

I guess if they do start requiring these ID cards the forgers and ID thieves are going to have to learn a whole new format. I mean if people are to be allowed to work here with fraudulent papers why not make forgery legal?