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Can someone hook me up? Thanks!!!

This is the only one I know of being released. Not sure of original source.

Winds of Freedom
http://download.yousendit.com/80D92D1B6981FCB5

Thanks! That was quite nice, and much better quality than the Youtube videos.

There was only 1 track.

Gotta say that I dont care for it at all. I like the vocal melody, Jeff's voice and how the band approached it however I think the lyrics kill it. Just doesnt seem to have a good lyrical flow.

Liquid_Drummer wrote:Gotta say that I dont care for it at all. I like the vocal melody, Jeff's voice and how the band approached it however I think the lyrics kill it. Just doesnt seem to have a good lyrical flow.

i did work up a different approach lyrically when i was being considered for the band. ironically i posted it to my blog last night and just found this thread this morning, so i just want to say for the record i wasn't piggybacking on jeff's thread here when i posted it. still a rough song, but a little more universal. check it out at www.bullmuse.wordpress.com

Sounds awesome. Much better than the show!!!!! Thanks,

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First my reply:

I agree with both Liquid drummer and Jeremey...

I like Jeremey's lyrics better, even though I understand the reason why the original lyrics were chosen in the first place.

That sure was exciting listening to the different vocal styles of Jeff and Jeremey on the same song. You are both tremendous vocalists. The demo also proves Journey can still rock it out with whoever ends up as lead singer.

Now for an idea for Journey about the future for success:

1) Start writing lyrics about "peoples lives" again...I do not want to hear any lyrics about church or wars or freedom...it makes the music kind of dull.

2) I hope we have a lead singer whose voice is as powerful as JSS or Jeremey's voices. That is key to sell any Journey record.

3) Promote yourselves on TV. Whether its doing the daytime or evening talk show circut. Performing on MTV again, like TRL.

***Open with DSB then play an original tune.

4) Rock it out with new music..Lots of piano and gutiar riffs..as you guys have always done...We want a CD that has a ton of "pop" rock and a few ballads.

DSB is still fresh in people's minds from the Sopranos and Lauguna Beach and every other show the song has been on..as everyone knows..it is timeless.

There is a certain bar I go to every few weeks that has an acoustic guitarist. Everytime I am there, I request DSB. The thing is at this bar, most people do not pay attention to the acoustic guy. The music he plays is like the backround music and everyone really is not paying attention and just being social. But as soon as he starts singing DSB, the entire bar goes nuts! Literally...everyone is singing and shouting at the top of their lungs...everyone knows the words...the point is Journey can still get as big as they were if they really wanted to. Say selling 6 million CD's again? O ya!

Just my opinion.

Thanks!

Vocalsmanvocals wrote:the point is Journey can still get as big as they were if they really wanted to. Say selling 6 million CD's again? O ya!

I'm all for getting back on the music map, but 6 million CDs? Are you kidding me?

fightingilliniJRNY wrote:

Vocalsmanvocals wrote:the point is Journey can still get as big as they were if they really wanted to. Say selling 6 million CD's again? O ya!

I'm all for getting back on the music map, but 6 million CDs? Are you kidding me?

Hey now, it never hurts to think positve! lol

Jeremey wrote:i did work up a different approach lyrically when i was being considered for the band. ironically i posted it to my blog last night and just found this thread this morning, so i just want to say for the record i wasn't piggybacking on jeff's thread here when i posted it. still a rough song, but a little more universal. check it out at www.bullmuse.wordpress.com

Hearing your vocal here and knowing of Journey's aim to return to their signature sound, I'm very surprised that your joining the band fell through. I'm wondering if they heard your version and am more curious than ever as to what Neal's "deal breaker" might have been.

Jeremey wrote:

Liquid_Drummer wrote:Gotta say that I dont care for it at all. I like the vocal melody, Jeff's voice and how the band approached it however I think the lyrics kill it. Just doesnt seem to have a good lyrical flow.

i did work up a different approach lyrically when i was being considered for the band. ironically i posted it to my blog last night and just found this thread this morning, so i just want to say for the record i wasn't piggybacking on jeff's thread here when i posted it. still a rough song, but a little more universal. check it out at www.bullmuse.wordpress.com

Wow. Nice job J. While I still don't care for the tune. Your vocals make it bearable for me. Big improvement!

NoMoreTails wrote:

Jeremey wrote:i did work up a different approach lyrically when i was being considered for the band. ironically i posted it to my blog last night and just found this thread this morning, so i just want to say for the record i wasn't piggybacking on jeff's thread here when i posted it. still a rough song, but a little more universal. check it out at www.bullmuse.wordpress.com

Hearing your vocal here and knowing of Journey's aim to return to their signature sound, I'm very surprised that your joining the band fell through. I'm wondering if they heard your version and am more curious than ever as to what Neal's "deal breaker" might have been.

Yeah, Jeremey would have fit what they were looking for perfectly. What the FUCK happened? Now I'm PISSED.

Vocalsmanvocals wrote:First my reply:

Now for an idea for Journey about the future for success:

1) Start writing lyrics about "peoples lives" again...I do not want to hear any lyrics about church or wars or freedom...it makes the music kind of dull.

wow someone else recognizes that too!

Thank you for sharing that Jeremey. It was as amazing as I knew you would be with them. What in the world were they thinking by letting you go?

NealIsGod wrote:

NoMoreTails wrote:

Jeremey wrote:i did work up a different approach lyrically when i was being considered for the band. ironically i posted it to my blog last night and just found this thread this morning, so i just want to say for the record i wasn't piggybacking on jeff's thread here when i posted it. still a rough song, but a little more universal. check it out at www.bullmuse.wordpress.com

Hearing your vocal here and knowing of Journey's aim to return to their signature sound, I'm very surprised that your joining the band fell through. I'm wondering if they heard your version and am more curious than ever as to what Neal's "deal breaker" might have been.

Yeah, Jeremey would have fit what they were looking for perfectly. What the FUCK happened? Now I'm PISSED.

They can't get any closer to the "legacy sound" than that. I'll stop there...

Rock on, Jeremey! Great work, and it was really interesting hearing both versions. And yes, if nothing else, what a treasure you have there.

Wow Jeremey! Great job bro!

Vocalsmanvocals wrote:First my reply:

I agree with both Liquid drummer and Jeremey...

I like Jeremey's lyrics better, even though I understand the reason why the original lyrics were chosen in the first place.

That sure was exciting listening to the different vocal styles of Jeff and Jeremey on the same song. You are both tremendous vocalists. The demo also proves Journey can still rock it out with whoever ends up as lead singer.

Thanks man for checking out the song! I knew the reason for the focus of the original lyrics, but I felt like the song was too strong to not take a crack at a different approach.

Now for an idea for Journey about the future for success:

1) Start writing lyrics about "peoples lives" again...I do not want to hear any lyrics about church or wars or freedom...it makes the music kind of dull.

I admit that I have a little trouble with the pat lyrics about love, love gone wrong, or losing the one you love. There's only so many ways you can write or sing "Who's Cryin' Now." That being said, it's the Journey formula. People want to hear songs about the fans, and to his credit, Cain has a lot of those lyrics sitting around.

2) I hope we have a lead singer whose voice is as powerful as JSS or Jeremey's voices. That is key to sell any Journey record.

If all indications point to Arnel, as they do, I believe he does have a powerful voice and can do the catalog justice. I don't see him as a powerful force on stage, however, and that's where my main criticism as a Journey fan would come from. The vids I've seen may not do him justice, but he doesn't appear to me at least to be very comfortable and engaging as a front man. They may well get him in front of Randy Jackson and "American Idol-ize" him before they get out on tour, though - And vocally he'll do the catalog justice.

3) Promote yourselves on TV. Whether its doing the daytime or evening talk show circut. Performing on MTV again, like TRL.

***Open with DSB then play an original tune.

Without Perry signing off on synch rights for his co-written material to be broadcast, there is no shot at video. And if he was such a tough cookie to get with the program RE The Sopranos, it may be doubtful that he'd let a new incarnation of Journey perform his tunes on "Dancing With The Stars" or the like. He's signed off on things before, but I got the impression that the rest of the band was very leery of going to the well with him one too many times for that sort of thing.

4) Rock it out with new music..Lots of piano and gutiar riffs..as you guys have always done...We want a CD that has a ton of "pop" rock and a few ballads.

I'd love to hear a new CD of material, but you may have another Greatest Hits tour to contend with and be content with a few one-offs first.

There is a certain bar I go to every few weeks that has an acoustic guitarist. Everytime I am there, I request DSB. The thing is at this bar, most people do not pay attention to the acoustic guy. The music he plays is like the backround music and everyone really is not paying attention and just being social. But as soon as he starts singing DSB, the entire bar goes nuts! Literally...everyone is singing and shouting at the top of their lungs...everyone knows the words...Thanks!

A timeless song and a cool anecdote! Would love to hear an acoustic arrangement of that song, I thought the one Deen did was pretty clever with Hitmaker. I'm working with another guitarist here in SW Va to get a duo gig going during the weeks, and he's used a Roland looper to come up with a real clever arrangement of the song. Hope to get the chance to perform that with him sometime soon!

Holy shit Jeremey, I hope you posted this (link to your version of the demo) to give Journey a wake up call and get you back on board with the project. So much better than the soto version, well, so much more Journey like. And who the fk cares if you sound similar if not identical (and in some respects, better to be honest..) that's the goal! I don't want to hear someone sing Journey and not sound like SP. Your demo with Journey is awesome. And if you're reading this, I've seen alot of your vids with Frontiers, tell your drummer to slow down and your songs will "groove" much better.

Dude, that was fantastic. That's as close as we'll ever hear that song sung by Perry, and I mean that in total respect to the both of you. Just excellent. I have GOT to get to a Frontiers show.

My problem with this song...I believe the lyrics were written before the tune/melody, thus contributing to a weak melody and chorus (not that EVERY song written this way is not good...). The chorus sounds like it should be the pre-chorus, and we still need an uplifiting chorus after.

Course Ive sold like 2 cd's so....



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Just_Plain_Eric wrote:My problem with this song...I believe the lyrics were written before the tune/melody, thus contributing to a weak melody and chorus (not that EVERY song written this way is not good...). The chorus sounds like it should be the pre-chorus, and we still need an uplifiting chorus after.

Course Ive sold like 2 cd's so....



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You needed that bigger anthemic chorus that Journey is so famous for, I do agree. I still think Jeremey sung the piss out of it though.

Jeremey,

Thanks a ton for sharing that demo. Now that is how it is SUPPOSED to sound. That is a TON better than the first version. Very nicely done mate. I'd love to hear any more demos you worked on with Journey. Especially any that rock a bit harder. Damn if they aren't a bunch of plonkers. The vocals are brilliant on that demo.

L8r bro,

Aaron

Jeremey wrote:

Liquid_Drummer wrote:Gotta say that I dont care for it at all. I like the vocal melody, Jeff's voice and how the band approached it however I think the lyrics kill it. Just doesnt seem to have a good lyrical flow.

i did work up a different approach lyrically when i was being considered for the band. ironically i posted it to my blog last night and just found this thread this morning, so i just want to say for the record i wasn't piggybacking on jeff's thread here when i posted it. still a rough song, but a little more universal. check it out at www.bullmuse.wordpress.com

Jeremey wrote:Without Perry signing off on synch rights for his co-written material to be broadcast, there is no shot at video. And if he was such a tough cookie to get with the program RE The Sopranos, it may be doubtful that he'd let a new incarnation of Journey perform his tunes on "Dancing With The Stars" or the like. He's signed off on things before, but I got the impression that the rest of the band was very leery of going to the well with him one too many times for that sort of thing.

They appeared on some morning show when Arrival came out (Youtube links were in a thread here at one point) so I don't think this is a problem. Royalties have to be paid like any other use of music on TV, but I don't think there's anything stopping them from performing live on TV if they had already done so in 2001. (also, parts of the Vegas DVD were also shown on TV, if I remember right, although it wasn't on any mainstream channel like VH1)

WalrusOct9 wrote:

Jeremey wrote:Without Perry signing off on synch rights for his co-written material to be broadcast, there is no shot at video. And if he was such a tough cookie to get with the program RE The Sopranos, it may be doubtful that he'd let a new incarnation of Journey perform his tunes on "Dancing With The Stars" or the like. He's signed off on things before, but I got the impression that the rest of the band was very leery of going to the well with him one too many times for that sort of thing.

They appeared on some morning show when Arrival came out (Youtube links were in a thread here at one point) so I don't think this is a problem. Royalties have to be paid like any other use of music on TV, but I don't think there's anything stopping them from performing live on TV if they had already done so in 2001. (also, parts of the Vegas DVD were also shown on TV, if I remember right, although it wasn't on any mainstream channel like VH1)

Didn't they do Augeri-era songs though??? Certainly SP wouldn't have a say in them singing those. I understood Jeremey to mean them singing the Perry-era songs, especially since according to Jon Friga all they want to do is to re-create the Perry era anyway. I wouldn't blame SP one iota if he put the ix-nay on them, given the sorry state of affairs that is calling itself Journey these days...

Nope, they did AWYWI and DSB, and maybe one other old song, plus "Higher Place." It's on YouTube, although it's pretty awful...any vocal problems Augeri was having, even then, were multiplied exponentially by making him sing that shit at 8 AM.

WalrusOct9 wrote:Nope, they did AWYWI and DSB, and maybe one other old song, plus "Higher Place." It's on YouTube, although it's pretty awful...any vocal problems Augeri was having, even then, were multiplied exponentially by making him sing that shit at 8 AM.

Perry approved the Journey 2001 DVD and the promotion of it, which included the GMA performance. Any time a song is broadcast in video (even in the background on a news broadcast, etc) the original songwriters give permission & set the terms. Perry also gave permission for the 30th anniversary DVD filmed in TX with Augeri, which will now never see the light of day.

Jeremey wrote:

WalrusOct9 wrote:Nope, they did AWYWI and DSB, and maybe one other old song, plus "Higher Place." It's on YouTube, although it's pretty awful...any vocal problems Augeri was having, even then, were multiplied exponentially by making him sing that shit at 8 AM.

Perry approved the Journey 2001 DVD and the promotion of it, which included the GMA performance. Any time a song is broadcast in video (even in the background on a news broadcast, etc) the original songwriters give permission & set the terms. Perry also gave permission for the 30th anniversary DVD filmed in TX with Augeri, which will now never see the light of day.

Well, there ya go!!! Foiled again!!! I guess I'm just proving how uninterested I am/was in the Augeri-era version of Journey. I've seen the "Higher Place" youtube, but not the others. I'm actually glad, because as bad as HP was, had I seen the SP songs, I'd probably have been more pissed than ever. I am, after all, a LOON....