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Hmm.... maybe an off night? At least they play so loud you often can't tell what song they are singing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjx_GjyXCs4

dude ,, have you been under a rock? .. no really... ................

RipRokken wrote:Hmm.... maybe an off night? At least they play so loud you often can't tell what song they are singing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mjx_GjyXCs4

Ouch!!! Minus the keyboards and lyrics I wouldn't recognize the song. HOWEVER, fans want to hear it and that's ALL that counts. Wish Steve Perry could understand that.

Saint John wrote:Ouch!!! Minus the keyboards and lyrics I wouldn't recognize the song. HOWEVER, fans want to hear it and that's ALL that counts. Wish Steve Perry could understand that.

I know it's hard sometimes when you get video with crappy audio like this -- everything always sounds better live, but even this... I don't know. I've only seen VH one time live, and it was with Hagar on the 5150 tour. It was so loud I couldn't recognize the songs... When I realized that it was only at the chorus that I could tell they were playing "Panama", my date and I just bailed. We just weren't having fun.

I've heard great things about this tour, but saw another review where they said they were so loud you couldn't tell which songs were being played. Loudness with clarity is fine, but just a loud distorted mess is nothing I'd want to pay to see.

RipRokken wrote:

Saint John wrote:Ouch!!! Minus the keyboards and lyrics I wouldn't recognize the song. HOWEVER, fans want to hear it and that's ALL that counts. Wish Steve Perry could understand that.

I know it's hard sometimes when you get video with crappy audio like this -- everything always sounds better live, but even this... I don't know. I've only seen VH one time live, and it was with Hagar on the 5150 tour. It was so loud I couldn't recognize the songs... When I realized that it was only at the chorus that I could tell they were playing "Panama", my date and I just bailed. We just weren't having fun.

I've heard great things about this tour, but saw another review where they said they were so loud you couldn't tell which songs were being played. Loudness with clarity is fine, but just a loud distorted mess is nothing I'd want to pay to see.

They said that either Eddie was handed the wrong guitar (tuned down for certain songs) or that the backing track for the keyboards was played at the wrong sample rate. I never heard what exactly happened.

I have friends that attended this Greensboro concert on Sept 29/07. They said the experience was incredible, but the music was far too loud. They were 10th row from the front and said this song just rattled both their teeth and brains.

Rick wrote:

RipRokken wrote:

Saint John wrote:Ouch!!! Minus the keyboards and lyrics I wouldn't recognize the song. HOWEVER, fans want to hear it and that's ALL that counts. Wish Steve Perry could understand that.

I know it's hard sometimes when you get video with crappy audio like this -- everything always sounds better live, but even this... I don't know. I've only seen VH one time live, and it was with Hagar on the 5150 tour. It was so loud I couldn't recognize the songs... When I realized that it was only at the chorus that I could tell they were playing "Panama", my date and I just bailed. We just weren't having fun.

I've heard great things about this tour, but saw another review where they said they were so loud you couldn't tell which songs were being played. Loudness with clarity is fine, but just a loud distorted mess is nothing I'd want to pay to see.

They said that either Eddie was handed the wrong guitar (tuned down for certain songs) or that the backing track for the keyboards was played at the wrong sample rate. I never heard what exactly happened.

The band confirmed that Eddie either accidentally or on purpose, hit the headstock of his guitar on the stage and knocked the tuning out of whack. Instead of grabbing another guitar he tried to get through Jump and Ain't Talkin Bout Love with it like this. Sheesh. Lazy Mofo!

Rick wrote:They said that either Eddie was handed the wrong guitar (tuned down for certain songs) or that the backing track for the keyboards was played at the wrong sample rate. I never heard what exactly happened.

Doesn't matter. They sounded awful. You never, NEVER heard Journey sound that bad (with Perry)...although, in the UK last year, they sounded as bad or worse on one particular night.

Rockindeano wrote:

Rick wrote:They said that either Eddie was handed the wrong guitar (tuned down for certain songs) or that the backing track for the keyboards was played at the wrong sample rate. I never heard what exactly happened.

Doesn't matter. They sounded awful. You never, NEVER heard Journey sound that bad (with Perry)...although, in the UK last year, they sounded as bad or worse on one particular night.

C'mon Dean. Playing sober is something new to Eddie. Give the guy a break. I agree though. Neal Schon could (and probably will) play til he's 90 and this would NEVER happen. The man is too good at his craft.

Rockindeano wrote:

Rick wrote:They said that either Eddie was handed the wrong guitar (tuned down for certain songs) or that the backing track for the keyboards was played at the wrong sample rate. I never heard what exactly happened.

Doesn't matter. They sounded awful. You never, NEVER heard Journey sound that bad (with Perry)...although, in the UK last year, they sounded as bad or worse on one particular night.

Yeah, like Laura said, they should have stopped the song and fixed the problem.

Rockindeano wrote:

Rick wrote:They said that either Eddie was handed the wrong guitar (tuned down for certain songs) or that the backing track for the keyboards was played at the wrong sample rate. I never heard what exactly happened.

Doesn't matter. They sounded awful. You never, NEVER heard Journey sound that bad (with Perry)...although, in the UK last year, they sounded as bad or worse on one particular night.

what night ,show and date would that be..

JrnyScarab wrote:The band confirmed that Eddie either accidentally or on purpose, hit the headstock of his guitar on the stage and knocked the tuning out of whack. Instead of grabbing another guitar he tried to get through Jump and Ain't Talkin Bout Love with it like this. Sheesh. Lazy Mofo!

headstocks dont knock out tune.. hes double locked.. if this out of tune stuff happened to a regular guy,, he would stomp on his boss tuner and be in tune in 5 seconds.. if your a rock star,, then you swap guitars.. if you play the song out of tune like this,, its just plain stupid..

Saint John wrote:Neal Schon could (and probably will) play til he's 90 and this would NEVER happen. The man is too good at his craft.

Except for maybe that one video someone posted not long ago of he and Perry playing with the blues dudes way back in the day... Who was that again?

Rockindeano wrote:Doesn't matter. They sounded awful. You never, NEVER heard Journey sound that bad (with Perry)...although, in the UK last year, they sounded as bad or worse on one particular night.

Ain't that just the greatest thing about YouTube? You can't even flub up one performance without the whole world being able to view it from that day forward. YouTube has become sort of a variation of Big Brother -- do or say the wrong thing with someone catching it on film, and it could ruin ya... Aside from a few bad comments, though, VH doesn't have anything to worry about. This tour will be huge for them, and hopefully they'll follow with a new album.

On the VH forum someone said it was a synthesizer playing at the wrong speed which threw it off-key. Or something like that.

Here's the link: http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=29589

It was only one song.

JH'sTXfan wrote:On the VH forum someone said it was a synthesizer playing at the wrong speed which threw it off-key. Or something like that.

Here's the link: http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=29589

I'm thinking it's the guitar -- the vocals and bass were on. I found this post on YouTube defending the keys -- dude went "Jumpgate" style and did some side-by-side comparisons!

The Unofficial "It's Not The Keyboards" Tutorial

The keyboards are sharp from the original recording: v=8e-vgQSqNtA

*BUT* ALL of the other versions of "Jump" from this tour are ALSO higher in pitch, the SAME as this video:
Charlotte - v=njno61tNI4I
Philly - v=729LWzgqosg
10/1 Philly - v=cUVVdHddHIo
10/3 Philly - v=HgX6AejWrFE
Chicago - v=DgqoIeFyr8I

Open a few tabs and compare for yourself.

RipRokken wrote:

JH'sTXfan wrote:On the VH forum someone said it was a synthesizer playing at the wrong speed which threw it off-key. Or something like that.

Here's the link: http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=29589

I'm thinking it's the guitar -- the vocals and bass were on. I found this post on YouTube defending the keys -- dude went "Jumpgate" style and did some side-by-side comparisons!

The Unofficial "It's Not The Keyboards" Tutorial

The keyboards are sharp from the original recording: v=8e-vgQSqNtA

*BUT* ALL of the other versions of "Jump" from this tour are ALSO higher in pitch, the SAME as this video:
Charlotte - v=njno61tNI4I
Philly - v=729LWzgqosg
10/1 Philly - v=cUVVdHddHIo
10/3 Philly - v=HgX6AejWrFE
Chicago - v=DgqoIeFyr8I

Open a few tabs and compare for yourself.

Keygate

larryfromnextdoor wrote:

JrnyScarab wrote:The band confirmed that Eddie either accidentally or on purpose, hit the headstock of his guitar on the stage and knocked the tuning out of whack. Instead of grabbing another guitar he tried to get through Jump and Ain't Talkin Bout Love with it like this. Sheesh. Lazy Mofo!

headstocks dont knock out tune.. hes double locked.. if this out of tune stuff happened to a regular guy,, he would stomp on his boss tuner and be in tune in 5 seconds.. if your a rock star,, then you swap guitars.. if you play the song out of tune like this,, its just plain stupid..

They said the impact on the headstock loosened the neck where it joins to the body which caused it to go nutty. As a funny aside, my band was playing in a club like 25 years ago and our bass player's neck came loose from the body. It made this god awful sound and all we saw when we looked over was him holding the neck in one hand with the strings flopping loose with the body suspended by the strings. Funny shit. Good thing a friend of ours had his bass with him since our bass player didn't have a spare!

I've been following this VH story on Hugeracks.com's forum...(I'm a tech talk Loon )

It got really interesting after a few pages.Watch what guitartreky had to say.


HugeRacksInc

*Laura wrote:I've been following this VH story on Hugeracks.com's forum...(I'm a tech talk Loon )

It got really interesting after a few pages.Watch what guitartreky had to say.


HugeRacksInc

Are you sure? Hugeracks sounds like a porn site to me. What the hell are you in to that we don't know about? There are support groups for that!

Rick wrote:

*Laura wrote:I've been following this VH story on Hugeracks.com's forum...(I'm a tech talk Loon )

It got really interesting after a few pages.Watch what guitartreky had to say.


HugeRacksInc

Are you sure? Hugeracks sounds like a porn site to me. What the hell are you in to that we don't know about? There are support groups for that!

Rick,darlin'... In my English vocabulary,"racks" is not describing what you're dreaming of.
Maybe "huge",but not "racks".

*Laura wrote:

Rick wrote:

*Laura wrote:I've been following this VH story on Hugeracks.com's forum...(I'm a tech talk Loon )

It got really interesting after a few pages.Watch what guitartreky had to say.


HugeRacksInc

Are you sure? Hugeracks sounds like a porn site to me. What the hell are you in to that we don't know about? There are support groups for that!

Rick,darlin'... In my English vocabulary,"racks" is not describing what you're dreaming of.
Maybe "huge",but not "racks".

I love it when you call me darlin'.

Rick wrote:

*Laura wrote:

Rick wrote:

*Laura wrote:I've been following this VH story on Hugeracks.com's forum...(I'm a tech talk Loon )

It got really interesting after a few pages.Watch what guitartreky had to say.


HugeRacksInc

Are you sure? Hugeracks sounds like a porn site to me. What the hell are you in to that we don't know about? There are support groups for that!

Rick,darlin'... In my English vocabulary,"racks" is not describing what you're dreaming of.
Maybe "huge",but not "racks".

I love it when you call me darlin'.

Sure you do.

*Laura wrote:

Rick wrote:

*Laura wrote:

Rick wrote:

*Laura wrote:I've been following this VH story on Hugeracks.com's forum...(I'm a tech talk Loon )

It got really interesting after a few pages.Watch what guitartreky had to say.


HugeRacksInc

Are you sure? Hugeracks sounds like a porn site to me. What the hell are you in to that we don't know about? There are support groups for that!

Rick,darlin'... In my English vocabulary,"racks" is not describing what you're dreaming of.
Maybe "huge",but not "racks".

I love it when you call me darlin'.

Sure you do.

What's the song? "I love it when you call me big papa!" Yeah baby!

Rick wrote:

*Laura wrote:

Rick wrote:

*Laura wrote:

Rick wrote:

*Laura wrote:I've been following this VH story on Hugeracks.com's forum...(I'm a tech talk Loon )

It got really interesting after a few pages.Watch what guitartreky had to say.


HugeRacksInc

Are you sure? Hugeracks sounds like a porn site to me. What the hell are you in to that we don't know about? There are support groups for that!

Rick,darlin'... In my English vocabulary,"racks" is not describing what you're dreaming of.
Maybe "huge",but not "racks".

I love it when you call me darlin'.

Sure you do.

What's the song? "I love it when you call me big papa!" Yeah baby!

I had no idea you were into rap.

"Put your hands in the air..."

*Laura wrote:I've been following this VH story on Hugeracks.com's forum...(I'm a tech talk Loon )

It got really interesting after a few pages.Watch what guitartreky had to say.


HugeRacksInc

oh my LC... ive never seen that tuning before... thats complicated.. what a mess... the tuning and the player...

JrnyScarab wrote:

Rick wrote:

RipRokken wrote:

Saint John wrote:Ouch!!! Minus the keyboards and lyrics I wouldn't recognize the song. HOWEVER, fans want to hear it and that's ALL that counts. Wish Steve Perry could understand that.

I know it's hard sometimes when you get video with crappy audio like this -- everything always sounds better live, but even this... I don't know. I've only seen VH one time live, and it was with Hagar on the 5150 tour. It was so loud I couldn't recognize the songs... When I realized that it was only at the chorus that I could tell they were playing "Panama", my date and I just bailed. We just weren't having fun.

I've heard great things about this tour, but saw another review where they said they were so loud you couldn't tell which songs were being played. Loudness with clarity is fine, but just a loud distorted mess is nothing I'd want to pay to see.

They said that either Eddie was handed the wrong guitar (tuned down for certain songs) or that the backing track for the keyboards was played at the wrong sample rate. I never heard what exactly happened.

The band confirmed that Eddie either accidentally or on purpose, hit the headstock of his guitar on the stage and knocked the tuning out of whack. Instead of grabbing another guitar he tried to get through Jump and Ain't Talkin Bout Love with it like this. Sheesh. Lazy Mofo!

Yep, this well documented. Jump was the last song of the set and the band played on! Yikes...

larryfromnextdoor wrote:

*Laura wrote:I've been following this VH story on Hugeracks.com's forum...(I'm a tech talk Loon )

It got really interesting after a few pages.Watch what guitartreky had to say.


HugeRacksInc

oh my LC... ive never seen that tuning before... thats complicated.. what a mess... the tuning and the player...

It's amazing that a tech has to be able to tune like that with the noise level going on. I had thought that the problem was only on one song, you'd think someone would've heard that and taken care of it. Overall they're doing a great job though.