MR

...I'm still having a hard time reconciling it.

Should've been him they're talking about 2 new albums of material with.

Much as I want the new stuff, I can't get anywhere NEAR as pumped as I'da been with JSS at the helm.

So does this mean we agree on something?????

2 steps forward, 1 step back...

They cut 1 tune w/ JSS that didn't even get released yet, but now they have 12 new rerecordings in the can and 7 new tunes already laid down that Shirley is working on?

I mean I'm thrilled that 2 years out on Generations the Schon/Cain battery is still proving prolific but I wonder how many of those demos they laid on JSS.

That's what bugs me too. You know that more went on behind the scenes than we know. Everyone here is just taking it all at face value, accepting their excuses, and jumping on the next band wagon. I bet JSS did to more in the recording with them than we will ever know.

What Soto did was give them credibility again...something SADLY lacking with this new incarnation.

X factor wrote:What Soto did was give them credibility again...something SADLY lacking with this new incarnation.

Funny how what he gave them is exactly what they threw away in the end.

I know what you mean Joepa and I agree. Also Good to see you and ArnelPerryHair,,,Um, I mean StevePerryHair agree on things once in a while
As Monty Python crew sings :Always look at the bright side of life.
Jeff is much better of this way. Even if he wouldve stayed with them and released one album and done a tour, then what? Neal & Co would be ready to retire , right when Jeff would be at his prime.
This way, he did get his name out to many new fans here in US , he came out of the deal looking like the only class act,,,, he OWNED the MR concert,,,and to top it of he has a bright year ahead of him with a new cd and hopefully touring US.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I seem to remember seeing a blurb about Journey with JSS in the Rolling Stone when they were still touring. And it wasn't bad!
Wasn't that the first time that's ever happened for Journey? Not getting a bad review from the RS I mean?

Seemed like even they were interested in what JSS would bring the the table.

I'm going to respectfully disagree here even though I think very highly of JSS for what he did for Journey and how he was so accessible to many of us fans. But, Jeff was a big departure from their signature sound. Some think that's actually refreshing but the band obviously didn't. Good or bad, he was far from a Perry clone and definitely fought to hit notes now and then. Some songs like 'only the young' and 'be good to yourself' were taken out of the setlist and I think it was because Jeff was struggling with them. I heard clips and saw them live 3 times that tour and there were obviously times when he was stretching his vocal limit.

I love the music of Journey and SP's voice was one of the instruments in the band. Like it or not, I think it's smart to replace that instrument with one that is very similair to please the masses that grew up on the music. If Neal had left the band in '98, you can bet that the guitar player that replaced him would be playing the exact same solos that Neal played. Why? Because that is what people want to hear.

Jeff would have taken the band in a different direction soundwise (which I think would have been exciting to follow) but the Journey machine needs to stay true to its legacy to find its greatest success which is live shows and signature sound.

Gibby wrote:I'm going to respectfully disagree here even though I think very highly of JSS for what he did for Journey and how he was so accessible to many of us fans. But, Jeff was a big departure from their signature sound. Some think that's actually refreshing but the band obviously didn't. Good or bad, he was far from a Perry clone and definitely fought to hit notes now and then. Some songs like 'only the young' and 'be good to yourself' were taken out of the setlist and I think it was because Jeff was struggling with them. I heard clips and saw them live 3 times that tour and there were obviously times when he was stretching his vocal limit.

I love the music of Journey and SP's voice was one of the instruments in the band. Like it or not, I think it's smart to replace that instrument with one that is very similair to please the masses that grew up on the music. If Neal had left the band in '98, you can bet that the guitar player that replaced him would be playing the exact same solos that Neal played. Why? Because that is what people want to hear.

Jeff would have taken the band in a different direction soundwise (which I think would have been exciting to follow) but the Journey machine needs to stay true to its legacy to find its greatest success which is live shows and signature sound.

I respectfully disagree!
If thats the fuckin case, and they WERE lookin for a fuckin Perry clone, then why didnt they hire Jeremey!?

Also,,,, Jeff was never ever stretching his vocal limits. He was doing what he is best at,,,, adding his touch to the song. He thought maybe, just maybe , the band wanted to freshen up the sounds. If you want them to sound EXACTLY like they did 20 years ago, then play the damn CD!

Behshad wrote:I know what you mean Joepa and I agree. Also Good to see you and ArnelPerryHair,,,Um, I mean StevePerryHair agree on things once in a while
As Monty Python crew sings :Always look at the bright side of life.
Jeff is much better of this way. Even if he wouldve stayed with them and released one album and done a tour, then what? Neal & Co would be ready to retire , right when Jeff would be at his prime.
This way, he did get his name out to many new fans here in US , he came out of the deal looking like the only class act,,,, he OWNED the MR concert,,,and to top it of he has a bright year ahead of him with a new cd and hopefully touring US.

I think you're partially right. I still say he needed more time though to get more of the "masses" to know who he was. An album and a tour may have helped that. In the end though, he is better off without them.

sorry, duplicate No, you are not 100% right

now that you said Im partially right TWICE , does it mean Im right 100%?:)

Gibby wrote:I'm going to respectfully disagree here even though I think very highly of JSS for what he did for Journey and how he was so accessible to many of us fans. But, Jeff was a big departure from their signature sound. Some think that's actually refreshing but the band obviously didn't. Good or bad, he was far from a Perry clone and definitely fought to hit notes now and then. Some songs like 'only the young' and 'be good to yourself' were taken out of the setlist and I think it was because Jeff was struggling with them. I heard clips and saw them live 3 times that tour and there were obviously times when he was stretching his vocal limit.

I love the music of Journey and SP's voice was one of the instruments in the band. Like it or not, I think it's smart to replace that instrument with one that is very similair to please the masses that grew up on the music. If Neal had left the band in '98, you can bet that the guitar player that replaced him would be playing the exact same solos that Neal played. Why? Because that is what people want to hear.

Jeff would have taken the band in a different direction soundwise (which I think would have been exciting to follow) but the Journey machine needs to stay true to its legacy to find its greatest success which is live shows and signature sound.

Again, I don't think it had anything to do with what the "masses" wanted in Journey's sound. I think it had to do with what Cain wanted and with maybe what some of the die hard core fans around hear wanted. That does NOT equal the masses. They all looked happy to me at the 8 concerts I attended.

Red13JoePa wrote:They cut 1 tune w/ JSS that didn't even get released yet, but now they have 12 new rerecordings in the can and 7 new tunes already laid down that Shirley is working on?

I mean I'm thrilled that 2 years out on Generations the Schon/Cain battery is still proving prolific but I wonder how many of those demos they laid on JSS.

I think everyone knows how much I disliked Generations, but that song they did with Jeff "Winds of Freedom", isn't even good enough to make Generations. Everything about "WOF" was bad, including the vox.

StevePerryHair wrote: They all looked happy to me at the 8 concerts I attended.

This was just to listen to their music live , right?

RaiderFan wrote:

Red13JoePa wrote:They cut 1 tune w/ JSS that didn't even get released yet, but now they have 12 new rerecordings in the can and 7 new tunes already laid down that Shirley is working on?

I mean I'm thrilled that 2 years out on Generations the Schon/Cain battery is still proving prolific but I wonder how many of those demos they laid on JSS.

I think everyone knows how much I disliked Generations, but that song they did with Jeff "Winds of Freedom", isn't even good enough to make Generations. Everything about "WOF" was bad, including the vox.

And who can we thank for "Winds of Freedom" ........

Behshad wrote:

StevePerryHair wrote: They all looked happy to me at the 8 concerts I attended.

This was just to listen to their music live , right?

Why else would I have been there

StevePerryHair wrote:

Behshad wrote:

StevePerryHair wrote: They all looked happy to me at the 8 concerts I attended.

This was just to listen to their music live , right?

Why else would I have been there

For the malt ?

StevePerryHair wrote:

RaiderFan wrote:

Red13JoePa wrote:They cut 1 tune w/ JSS that didn't even get released yet, but now they have 12 new rerecordings in the can and 7 new tunes already laid down that Shirley is working on?

I mean I'm thrilled that 2 years out on Generations the Schon/Cain battery is still proving prolific but I wonder how many of those demos they laid on JSS.

I think everyone knows how much I disliked Generations, but that song they did with Jeff "Winds of Freedom", isn't even good enough to make Generations. Everything about "WOF" was bad, including the vox.

And who can we thank for "Winds of Freedom" ........

Well if by thank them you mean drag them out in the street and horsewhip them....

Gibby wrote: Some songs like 'only the young' and 'be good to yourself' were taken out of the setlist and I think it was because Jeff was struggling with them. I heard clips and saw them live 3 times that tour and there were obviously times when he was stretching his vocal limit.

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Behshad wrote:I respectfully disagree!
If thats the fuckin case, and they WERE lookin for a fuckin Perry clone, then why didnt they hire Jeremey!?

Also,,,, Jeff was never ever stretching his vocal limits. He was doing what he is best at,,,, adding his touch to the song.

Nope I think you'll find Behshad is Right, I've seen Jeff live myself too, and like I said on another post if he was struggling to sing the high notes etc, then there must have been an invisble force nipping his nethers on those nights, cause he sounded excellent each time I've heard him sing live.
they may have dropped certain songs from the list, but with Jeff they were singing stuff they ahdn't done for a while...it's swings and roundabouts

RaiderFan wrote:

StevePerryHair wrote:

RaiderFan wrote:

Red13JoePa wrote:They cut 1 tune w/ JSS that didn't even get released yet, but now they have 12 new rerecordings in the can and 7 new tunes already laid down that Shirley is working on?

I mean I'm thrilled that 2 years out on Generations the Schon/Cain battery is still proving prolific but I wonder how many of those demos they laid on JSS.

I think everyone knows how much I disliked Generations, but that song they did with Jeff "Winds of Freedom", isn't even good enough to make Generations. Everything about "WOF" was bad, including the vox.

And who can we thank for "Winds of Freedom" ........

Well if by thank them you mean drag them out in the street and horsewhip them....

.

Yep!!!!!!!! That's EXACTLY what I meant! It's like you read my mind

JSS??????????

Should have been...

STEVE PERRY!

Anything else at this point in their careers is just a joke.

Really.

Behshad wrote:

Gibby wrote:I'm going to respectfully disagree here even though I think very highly of JSS for what he did for Journey and how he was so accessible to many of us fans. But, Jeff was a big departure from their signature sound. Some think that's actually refreshing but the band obviously didn't. Good or bad, he was far from a Perry clone and definitely fought to hit notes now and then. Some songs like 'only the young' and 'be good to yourself' were taken out of the setlist and I think it was because Jeff was struggling with them. I heard clips and saw them live 3 times that tour and there were obviously times when he was stretching his vocal limit.

I love the music of Journey and SP's voice was one of the instruments in the band. Like it or not, I think it's smart to replace that instrument with one that is very similair to please the masses that grew up on the music. If Neal had left the band in '98, you can bet that the guitar player that replaced him would be playing the exact same solos that Neal played. Why? Because that is what people want to hear.

Jeff would have taken the band in a different direction soundwise (which I think would have been exciting to follow) but the Journey machine needs to stay true to its legacy to find its greatest success which is live shows and signature sound.

I respectfully disagree!
If thats the fuckin case, and they WERE lookin for a fuckin Perry clone, then why didnt they hire Jeremey!?

Also,,,, Jeff was never ever stretching his vocal limits. He was doing what he is best at,,,, adding his touch to the song. He thought maybe, just maybe , the band wanted to freshen up the sounds. If you want them to sound EXACTLY like they did 20 years ago, then play the damn CD!

I don't agree....
Jeremy turned down the gig after getting bad vibes from the Journey camp. Jeff WAS stretching his vocal limits. As great a singer as he is, he struggled on a lot of that material, especially early on. Also, from ALL accounts Cain was never on board with JSS. They have a guy now in place that LOOKS like he can cover everything. That's a better situation for "Journey" and the "Journey sound". Maybe Neal should've just stayed with Soul Sirkus than all of this would be mute.

brywool wrote:Maybe Neal should've just stayed with Soul Sirkus than all of this would be mute.

Yes, it might better for all of us if Journey were "mute".

brywool wrote:

Behshad wrote:

Gibby wrote:I'm going to respectfully disagree here even though I think very highly of JSS for what he did for Journey and how he was so accessible to many of us fans. But, Jeff was a big departure from their signature sound. Some think that's actually refreshing but the band obviously didn't. Good or bad, he was far from a Perry clone and definitely fought to hit notes now and then. Some songs like 'only the young' and 'be good to yourself' were taken out of the setlist and I think it was because Jeff was struggling with them. I heard clips and saw them live 3 times that tour and there were obviously times when he was stretching his vocal limit.

I love the music of Journey and SP's voice was one of the instruments in the band. Like it or not, I think it's smart to replace that instrument with one that is very similair to please the masses that grew up on the music. If Neal had left the band in '98, you can bet that the guitar player that replaced him would be playing the exact same solos that Neal played. Why? Because that is what people want to hear.

Jeff would have taken the band in a different direction soundwise (which I think would have been exciting to follow) but the Journey machine needs to stay true to its legacy to find its greatest success which is live shows and signature sound.

I respectfully disagree!
If thats the fuckin case, and they WERE lookin for a fuckin Perry clone, then why didnt they hire Jeremey!?

Also,,,, Jeff was never ever stretching his vocal limits. He was doing what he is best at,,,, adding his touch to the song. He thought maybe, just maybe , the band wanted to freshen up the sounds. If you want them to sound EXACTLY like they did 20 years ago, then play the damn CD!

I don't agree....
Jeremy turned down the gig after getting bad vibes from the Journey camp. Jeff WAS stretching his vocal limits. As great a singer as he is, he struggled on a lot of that material, especially early on. Also, from ALL accounts Cain was never on board with JSS. They have a guy now in place that LOOKS like he can cover everything. That's a better situation for "Journey" and the "Journey sound". Maybe Neal should've just stayed with Soul Sirkus than all of this would be mute.

You just said it though "especially early on". What does that tell you? He was thrown into that job on a moments notice and expected to just jump in and perform. Considering the little time he had to prepare his vocals, I'd say he was amazing. He improved greatly as the months went on. And I will say again for the 3rd or 4th time, the masses could really care less who is singing the music. They just want to hear it. There is way more to the story than they have told any of us. There has to be.

brywool wrote:

Behshad wrote:

Gibby wrote:I'm going to respectfully disagree here even though I think very highly of JSS for what he did for Journey and how he was so accessible to many of us fans. But, Jeff was a big departure from their signature sound. Some think that's actually refreshing but the band obviously didn't. Good or bad, he was far from a Perry clone and definitely fought to hit notes now and then. Some songs like 'only the young' and 'be good to yourself' were taken out of the setlist and I think it was because Jeff was struggling with them. I heard clips and saw them live 3 times that tour and there were obviously times when he was stretching his vocal limit.

I love the music of Journey and SP's voice was one of the instruments in the band. Like it or not, I think it's smart to replace that instrument with one that is very similair to please the masses that grew up on the music. If Neal had left the band in '98, you can bet that the guitar player that replaced him would be playing the exact same solos that Neal played. Why? Because that is what people want to hear.

Jeff would have taken the band in a different direction soundwise (which I think would have been exciting to follow) but the Journey machine needs to stay true to its legacy to find its greatest success which is live shows and signature sound.

I respectfully disagree!
If thats the fuckin case, and they WERE lookin for a fuckin Perry clone, then why didnt they hire Jeremey!?

Also,,,, Jeff was never ever stretching his vocal limits. He was doing what he is best at,,,, adding his touch to the song. He thought maybe, just maybe , the band wanted to freshen up the sounds. If you want them to sound EXACTLY like they did 20 years ago, then play the damn CD!

I don't agree....
Jeremy turned down the gig after getting bad vibes from the Journey camp. Jeff WAS stretching his vocal limits. As great a singer as he is, he struggled on a lot of that material, especially early on. Also, from ALL accounts Cain was never on board with JSS. They have a guy now in place that LOOKS like he can cover everything. That's a better situation for "Journey" and the "Journey sound". Maybe Neal should've just stayed with Soul Sirkus than all of this would be mute.

OH dear I must be living in a parrallel universe where the JSS there did not struggle with notes, songs, or anything.... ...cause he sounded Great t me

conversationpc wrote:

brywool wrote:Maybe Neal should've just stayed with Soul Sirkus than all of this would be mute.

Yes, it might better for all of us if Journey were "mute".

haha. I don't know. This new guy sounds pretty friggin' good to me. His pitch and tone are there and he seems to have a lot of range to spare. As much as I don't like Journey at this point, I am excited to hear the guy sing these tunes with this band.

Little Lenny wrote:OH dear I must be living in a parrallel universe where the JSS there did not struggle with notes, songs, or anything.... ...cause he sounded Great t me

No, he definitely struggled those first few shows. I remember hearing a really bad note on, if I remember correctly, "Only the Young" from the Atlanta show. What it was that came out of his mouth was one of the worst things I ever remember hearing from a vocalist. He certainly pulled it together, though.