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I'm trying to understand how they are a tribute band just because they got a guy who covered them.. The Zoo covered everyone.. Let me get this straight, no offense to Jeremey,but if he would have been Journey's singer,would you guys still be saying they are a tribute band? I'm not sayin,I'm just sayin...

No for two reasons:

1. Jeremey is all about Journey, he doesn't cover everything.
2. Jeremey's original music is really good and compares to the "Journey" brand of music.

Journey69 wrote:I'm trying to understand how they are a tribute band just because they got a guy who covered them.. The Zoo covered everyone.. Let me get this straight, no offense to Jeremey,but if he would have been Journey's singer,would you guys still be saying they are a tribute band? I'm not sayin,I'm just sayin...

Aaron wrote:No for two reasons:

1. Jeremey is all about Journey, he doesn't cover everything.
2. Jeremey's original music is really good and compares to the "Journey" brand of music.

Journey69 wrote:I'm trying to understand how they are a tribute band just because they got a guy who covered them.. The Zoo covered everyone.. Let me get this straight, no offense to Jeremey,but if he would have been Journey's singer,would you guys still be saying they are a tribute band? I'm not sayin,I'm just sayin...

Spoken like a damn genius! Couldn't have said it better!

Journey69 wrote:I'm trying to understand how they are a tribute band just because they got a guy who covered them.. The Zoo covered everyone.. Let me get this straight, no offense to Jeremey,but if he would have been Journey's singer,would you guys still be saying they are a tribute band? I'm not sayin,I'm just sayin...

Just ask Jeremey, when he was the man everyone thought would be the next singer, that tribute band moniker was being thrown around pretty readily. Jeremey has been scrutinized to death on this board, just like Arnel.

For the die hard fans, or disgruntled fans (for any reason) it will be a knock of a tribute out of anger. But the reality of it is, as long as they will carry that name "Journey" they will never be a tribute. Look at it like a sports team. It's like the 80's 49'ers. The '07 49'ers are not a tribute to the 80's 49'ers. It's just the carry over of the organization (band) of the name..if that makes any sense.

You bring up an excellent point. I'd only argue that many positions on a 22 man football team can be an impact and make a team great. When it comes to a band, there are only two positions that make a band great, the singer and guitarist. Schon is the man but it will be difficult to achieve the level that Perry did as the singer of Journey. Clearly Arnel is not in the same league as Perry which will make Journey a "European League" team.

S.B.N wrote:For the die hard fans, or disgruntled fans (for any reason) it will be a knock of a tribute out of anger. But the reality of it is, as long as they will carry that name "Journey" they will never be a tribute. Look at it like a sports team. It's like the 80's 49'ers. The '07 49'ers are not a tribute to the 80's 49'ers. It's just the carry over of the organization (band) of the name..if that makes any sense.

Journey69 wrote:I'm trying to understand how they are a tribute band just because they got a guy who covered them.. The Zoo covered everyone.. Let me get this straight, no offense to Jeremey,but if he would have been Journey's singer,would you guys still be saying they are a tribute band? I'm not sayin,I'm just sayin...

Yes, I totally see them as a tribute band now. Sorry but have you heard the guy, shoot he sounds identical to Perry (minus Perry's emotion). To tell you the truth Arnel and Jeremey are both great singers, but I don't want somebody that sounds just like Perry fronting Journey if it isn't the original. Granted Jeremey isn't an exact duplicate like Arnel in vocal tone. I was soooooooo looking forward to a JSS fronted Journey, they were exciting again, energized, rockin! To me Arnel sounds (or tries to) TOO much like Perry and it turns me off. Just nothing there unique enough to keep me intrigued anymore......the anticipation and excitement is gone. But hey, I'll never knock the Journey boys for exposing me to the talents of JSS. I've moved on. I'll still post here because of the people and the Perry and JSS eras of Journey.

S.B.N wrote:For the die hard fans, or disgruntled fans (for any reason) it will be a knock of a tribute out of anger. But the reality of it is, as long as they will carry that name "Journey" they will never be a tribute. Look at it like a sports team. It's like the 80's 49'ers. The '07 49'ers are not a tribute to the 80's 49'ers. It's just the carry over of the organization (band) of the name..if that makes any sense.

Nope, apples and oranges. It's endemic for a sports team to change players over the years-bodies break down, people age, it comes with the territory. That's the way it's designed. Bands? Not so much, unless you're MENUDO and you have to get fresh teenagers every five years.

I don't mind them changing players, as alot of bands seem to be doing it to some degree. But look at the example of Foreigner- Jones was smart enough to bring in guys like Jeff Pilson, Kelly Hansen and Jason Bonham. That's a lineup that, because of the pedigree, has retained some shred of credibility. I'll say it again- with Soto, they had that. With AP- well, the jury's still out, but to my eyes it don't look good. INXS is a prime example of how bringing in a "no-name" singer failed miserably.

Aaron wrote:You bring up an excellent point. I'd only argue that many positions on a 22 man football team can be an impact and make a team great. When it comes to a band, there are only two positions that make a band great, the singer and guitarist. Schon is the man but it will be difficult to achieve the level that Perry did as the singer of Journey. Clearly Arnel is not in the same league as Perry which will make Journey a "European League" team.

S.B.N wrote:For the die hard fans, or disgruntled fans (for any reason) it will be a knock of a tribute out of anger. But the reality of it is, as long as they will carry that name "Journey" they will never be a tribute. Look at it like a sports team. It's like the 80's 49'ers. The '07 49'ers are not a tribute to the 80's 49'ers. It's just the carry over of the organization (band) of the name..if that makes any sense.

Nice observation. I like getting into these comparison threads. Makes good convo. I understand what your saying and you are not wrong. The way I see it..to be a good band, (which Journey has been, and give them a break with their loss of "the voice" in reverting to a singer to come off the bench and lead. It's like New England losing Tom Brady or The Yanks losing the Big Bam Bino...make best out of what you got in front of you.) you have to count on the guys around you to pick you up and take you at their level, when realistically they are not.

Arnel is an excellent talent, talent of Perry? ...Who is? but only if the vets in Schon, Cain, and even Castronovo can pick their game up behind him and take best efforts from Arnel...then maybe..just maybe we got something here..

Journey had a golden opportunity to really kick some ass and move forward with Jeff. Remember their Press Release when JSS came on board?

They had a good thing going with SA and it just ran it's course. I think overall they did a decent job during the SA era.

Now they get Arnel. They are truly a tribute band at this point. There's no getting around it. Arnel can sing somewhat. But, they have really just ruined it for me.

I'll just go see FRONTIERS (because they are in my area) and have a blast hearing the music I love.

Deb wrote:

Journey69 wrote:I'm trying to understand how they are a tribute band just because they got a guy who covered them.. The Zoo covered everyone.. Let me get this straight, no offense to Jeremey,but if he would have been Journey's singer,would you guys still be saying they are a tribute band? I'm not sayin,I'm just sayin...

Yes, I totally see them as a tribute band now. Sorry but have you heard the guy, shoot he sounds identical to Perry (minus Perry's emotion). To tell you the truth Arnel and Jeremey are both great singers, but I don't want somebody that sounds just like Perry fronting Journey if it isn't the original. Granted Jeremey isn't an exact duplicate like Arnel in vocal tone. I was soooooooo looking forward to a JSS fronted Journey, they were exciting again, energized, rockin! To me Arnel sounds (or tries to) TOO much like Perry and it turns me off. Just nothing there unique enough to keep me intrigued anymore......the anticipation and excitement is gone. But hey, I'll never knock the Journey boys for exposing me to the talents of JSS. I've moved on. I'll still post here because of the people and the Perry and JSS eras of Journey.

I'm with her on this one. I just don't want to see Journey with any singer if all that's behind it is a desperate need to pretend not only that Perry is still in the band, but that the sound is just the same as it was 25 years ago. We have been there and done that already. It worked well and some amazing music came out of it, but and Perry is NOT in the band anymore, so move on or move out. I really thought the JSS was going to be great - I wuill fully admit that at first I wasn't sure what to make of it or that I even liked the idea, because he didn't "seem Journey", but after watching/listening, I realized that's what was good about it. The whole thing of tryign to keep the past and cling to Perry was annoying to me and it finally seemed like they were letting that go and moving on with a guy who could successfully cover the old material but would probably help the band come up with some pretty great new material too.

But this thing with "the heritage sound" tells me that the new stuff is going to end up sounding like a ripoff of Escape. And if they release the covers of the greatest hits, we'll be saddled with yet ANOTHER version of Faithfully. What will that make... 4? 5?

Journey is a parody of itself...the ultimate karaoke band. Nobody will accept new music. If the band could write great (REALLY great) new music, it wouldn't fly because their genre is not popular to the masses. Sure, they can write to the old farts wanting to hang on to our youth, but traditionally, we don't buy as many CDs or listen to the radio as much as we used to. Radio is another issue. Nobody is going to play it. They still play the Perry prior to the breakup/ROR.

Any singer is going to be viewed as a substitute.

This is same for any band that was popular in yesteryear.

lowdbrent wrote:Journey is a parody of itself...the ultimate karaoke band. Nobody will accept new music. If the band could write great (REALLY great) new music, it wouldn't fly because their genre is not popular to the masses. Sure, they can write to the old farts wanting to hang on to our youth, but traditionally, we don't buy as many CDs or listen to the radio as much as we used to. Radio is another issue. Nobody is going to play it. They still play the Perry prior to the breakup/ROR.

Any singer is going to be viewed as a substitute.

This is same for any band that was popular in yesteryear.

.. +1

S.B.N wrote:

Aaron wrote:You bring up an excellent point. I'd only argue that many positions on a 22 man football team can be an impact and make a team great. When it comes to a band, there are only two positions that make a band great, the singer and guitarist. Schon is the man but it will be difficult to achieve the level that Perry did as the singer of Journey. Clearly Arnel is not in the same league as Perry which will make Journey a "European League" team.

S.B.N wrote:For the die hard fans, or disgruntled fans (for any reason) it will be a knock of a tribute out of anger. But the reality of it is, as long as they will carry that name "Journey" they will never be a tribute. Look at it like a sports team. It's like the 80's 49'ers. The '07 49'ers are not a tribute to the 80's 49'ers. It's just the carry over of the organization (band) of the name..if that makes any sense.

Nice observation. I like getting into these comparison threads. Makes good convo. I understand what your saying and you are not wrong. The way I see it..to be a good band, (which Journey has been, and give them a break with their loss of "the voice" in reverting to a singer to come off the bench and lead. It's like New England losing Tom Brady or The Yanks losing the Big Bam Bino...make best out of what you got in front of you.) you have to count on the guys around you to pick you up and take you at their level, when realistically they are not.

Arnel is an excellent talent, talent of Perry? ...Who is? but only if the vets in Schon, Cain, and even Castronovo can pick their game up behind him and take best efforts from Arnel...then maybe..just maybe we got something here..

OMG well said! Most intelligent statement I've read in a long time.. And I agree.. They haven't even done anything with Arnel yet and its already over to most people..I don't get it. Until the album is out,no one can say shit until they hear it.. It might even blow you away.. I know I absolutely loved Arrival.. Is Perry on it..No..I would have given JSS a chance,I will give Arnel a chance..

Journey69 wrote:I'm trying to understand

for real, were you born in '69? or is this a call for an exciting experience?

Arnel only hits the high register. Ok singer but not what some are annointing him as. Zero talent as a front man. HORRIBLE. 4 foot tall karoake singer who can't pronounce the fucking words. In rock and even country - looks and stage presence count, but losers here call it "racist" if you call it for what it really is.

Ever see an ugly fat zitty whore win a grammy as a female country star? OF COURSE NOT!

I sort of like Arnel's voice, but I also like the big tittied blonde at the bar down the streat who sings The Bangles song. This sucks shit, and stop apologizing for it.

Susie, we are on to you and your multiple personalities. Go away before we out you.

larryfromnextdoor wrote:

Journey69 wrote:I'm trying to understand

for real, were you born in '69? or is this a call for an exciting experience?

Yes I really was.. And coming up on my bday..

Journey69 wrote:

larryfromnextdoor wrote:

Journey69 wrote:I'm trying to understand

for real, were you born in '69? or is this a call for an exciting experience?

Yes I really was.. And coming up on my bday..

be glad your not as old as rick.. '67 here..

Journey69 wrote:

S.B.N wrote:

Aaron wrote:You bring up an excellent point. I'd only argue that many positions on a 22 man football team can be an impact and make a team great. When it comes to a band, there are only two positions that make a band great, the singer and guitarist. Schon is the man but it will be difficult to achieve the level that Perry did as the singer of Journey. Clearly Arnel is not in the same league as Perry which will make Journey a "European League" team.

S.B.N wrote:For the die hard fans, or disgruntled fans (for any reason) it will be a knock of a tribute out of anger. But the reality of it is, as long as they will carry that name "Journey" they will never be a tribute. Look at it like a sports team. It's like the 80's 49'ers. The '07 49'ers are not a tribute to the 80's 49'ers. It's just the carry over of the organization (band) of the name..if that makes any sense.

Nice observation. I like getting into these comparison threads. Makes good convo. I understand what your saying and you are not wrong. The way I see it..to be a good band, (which Journey has been, and give them a break with their loss of "the voice" in reverting to a singer to come off the bench and lead. It's like New England losing Tom Brady or The Yanks losing the Big Bam Bino...make best out of what you got in front of you.) you have to count on the guys around you to pick you up and take you at their level, when realistically they are not.

Arnel is an excellent talent, talent of Perry? ...Who is? but only if the vets in Schon, Cain, and even Castronovo can pick their game up behind him and take best efforts from Arnel...then maybe..just maybe we got something here..

OMG well said! Most intelligent statement I've read in a long time.. And I agree.. They haven't even done anything with Arnel yet and its already over to most people..I don't get it. Until the album is out,no one can say shit until they hear it.. It might even blow you away.. I know I absolutely loved Arrival.. Is Perry on it..No..I would have given JSS a chance,I will give Arnel a chance..

I am a fan of all Journey, and Arrival happens to be one of my all time favorites. Take all the knowledge away you obtain from the band Journey, listen with an open mind.. and it could be one of Journeys best of its catalog..

AR wrote:Arnel only hits the high register. Ok singer but not what some are annointing him as. Zero talent as a front man. HORRIBLE. 4 foot tall karoake singer who can't pronounce the fucking words. In rock and even country - looks and stage presence count, but losers here call it "racist" if you call it for what it really is.

Ever see an ugly fat zitty whore win a grammy as a female country star? OF COURSE NOT!

I sort of like Arnel's voice, but I also like the big tittied blonde at the bar down the streat who sings The Bangles song. This sucks shit, and stop apologizing for it.

Susie, we are on to you and your multiple personalities. Go away before we out you.

Man you can't go by youtube videos.. Wait for some new stuff.. Your not even gonna give them credit for making new music with him.. I don't think Journey is going to be on stage winning a grammy with Arnel,but you never know.. You are soley going on the hire for the guys looks.Your joking right? So your saying Journey don't have pro's to work on this guys stage presence or vocal lesson's? They are just gonna throw him up there and say sing our shit.. Good luck trying to sell that.. Even JSS had some trouble at 1st.. He will adapt like anyone else I'm sure.. But we will see.. Look at Foreigner..What do you call that..They have been touring for 2 yrs,no new album.. If Journey did that..Then I wouldn't really be interested either..But they aren't doing it.. What if people told you after hearing the new album that it rocks..Are you gonna pass because its not JSS or are you going to have an open mind and give it a shot?

larryfromnextdoor wrote:

Journey69 wrote:

larryfromnextdoor wrote:

Journey69 wrote:I'm trying to understand

for real, were you born in '69? or is this a call for an exciting experience?

Yes I really was.. And coming up on my bday..

be glad your not as old as rick.. '67 here..

LOL..too funny!!

Are you gonna pass because its not JSS or are you going to have an open mind and give it a shot?

Lets not kid yourselves, everyone here will buy this new album like a kid smuggling a cookie from the cookie jar

S.B.N wrote:

Are you gonna pass because its not JSS or are you going to have an open mind and give it a shot?

Lets not kid yourselves, everyone here will buy this new album like a kid smuggling a cookie from the cookie jar

Correct..and some will be in the closet about it.. Where are the ipod police? LMAO

hmmm if there leaning tword a sound.. .....steve P's.....That's why they got rid of Jeff ...and picked up arnel...He's the" Journey sound" which we all know what that is...so if that's the case then to me they turned into a tribute band and just got lucky to keep the name.IMO

wildone wrote:hmmm if there leaning tword a sound.. .....steve P's.....That's why they got rid of Jeff ...and picked up arnel...He's the" Journey sound" which we all know what that is...so if that's the case then to me they turned into a tribute band and just got lucky to keep the name.IMO

IMO..doesn't everyone on this board go nuts over Sp? I think so.. Is it possible..And I know you people will think this is stupid,but,is it possible,they got this guy to sing the Perry tunes and moves forward with the same sound.. A tribute band covers a popular band.. These guys 1st move is to make a new album and not even tour with just the old music..They are bringing new stuff in the fold.. They obviously like the sound and want to move it forward.. Jeff wasn't going to be moving it forward,it was going to go sideways,or in a completely different direction.. This might be a good move.. or bad move..I'll have an open mind and wait and see..

Journey69 wrote:

wildone wrote:hmmm if there leaning tword a sound.. .....steve P's.....That's why they got rid of Jeff ...and picked up arnel...He's the" Journey sound" which we all know what that is...so if that's the case then to me they turned into a tribute band and just got lucky to keep the name.IMO

IMO..doesn't everyone on this board go nuts over Sp? I think so.. Is it possible..And I know you people will think this is stupid,but,is it possible,they got this guy to sing the Perry tunes and moves forward with the same sound.. A tribute band covers a popular band.. These guys 1st move is to make a new album and not even tour with just the old music..They are bringing new stuff in the fold.. They obviously like the sound and want to move it forward.. Jeff wasn't going to be moving it forward,it was going to go sideways,or in a completely different direction.. This might be a good move.. or bad move..I'll have an open mind and wait and see..

They're bringing in new music and moving forward ...and they wouldn't of done it with jeff???Hmm thats a new sound and new way...I like how thery're ready for a new album and didn't even have a lead singer till a few weeks ago ....hmmm I guess he didn't need his opinion heard...

Journey69 wrote: Jeff wasn't going to be moving it forward,it was going to go sideways,or in a completely different direction...

So if you can say that Soto may have taken them in a completely different
direction, how on God's green earth do you know that it would not have shot forth?

Moon Beam wrote:

Journey69 wrote: Jeff wasn't going to be moving it forward,it was going to go sideways,or in a completely different direction...

So if you can say that Soto may have taken them in a completely different
direction, how on God's green earth do you know that it would not have shot forth?

If Brian MAY knew that it would have worked... it would have shot forth, and knocked everyone on their asses. The last person I'd second guess is a Rock God from Queen.

Damn. DAMN. Jeff hurry back to town and do another show man.

With Jeff, I think Journey got a little bit too excited.. way too fast and was in over their head. Neal states that he was irritated that he didn't have a new singer. It's easy to be one of the most important piece of the band and have someone flown in to save your ass from tour. Neal saw this and went for it only to say what the heck and just announce Jeff the new lead singer and get it over with since he is touring for months and months. Time goes on, he realizes more and more it isn't a good fit (hence the different direction and different styles in pitch and voice.) This wouldn't serve Journey justice to have a completely different vocalist in the way the songs were going to be sung, and the way Journey spent so many years making their own unique sound for themselves.

Journey as a whole acted way too fast on this matter and paid for it dearly. They knew Jeff had nothing to offer to the Journey name as time passed , and once it all surfaced and set in they were probably like, "oh shit, now what?" (I said Jeff didn't have anything offer to the Journey name..don't get it mixed up and take it as Jeff didn't have the talent. He did. Sometimes that's that way the wind blows in life.) It's a gut feeling business.

Journey may have made some bad decisions in the past...but one thing you cannot deny and the one thing they actually stuck to was the music. People come and go. But music will forever lye.

They are bringing new stuff in the fold.. They obviously like the sound and want to move it forward.. Jeff wasn't going to be moving it forward,it was going to go sideways,or in a completely different direction..

S.B.N wrote:Journey as a whole acted way too fast on this matter and paid for it dearly. They knew Jeff had nothing to offer to the Journey name as time passed , and once it all surfaced and set in they were probably like, "oh shit, now what?" (I said Jeff didn't have anything offer to the Journey name..don't get it mixed up and take it as Jeff didn't have the talent. He did. Sometimes that's that way the wind blows in life.) It's a gut feeling business.

He had die hard Perry fans pulling for him, that's more than I can say
for Mr Schon and his itchy trigger finger decisions.