MR

Posted: **Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:48 pm**

Hey Folks,

A few things I want to address.

If I'm wrong, I'll always man up. Those of you that know me well enough, know that.

Today, I included Larry in what is a justifiable acusation towards others, before my evidence (with respect to Larry) ironed out completely in one direction or the other.

So to that end, Larry...I'm sorry man!

I don't make statements like the one I made today without significant proof.....and in my anger at this situation, I reacted, *specifically* to Larry, when evidence pointed in his direction....even though I hadn't allowed it to point AWAY from him until after I leveled the acusation.

I have discussed this privately with Larry and I hope that he and I can put this situation behind us.

Regardless, let me say again, Larry I'm sorry...

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Now that I've said that, I want to stress to everyone that reads this, that this post is extremely difficult for me....and NOT for the reasons that the moral grandstanders that have tried to involve themselves in this issue may feel.

This issue is a whole lot bigger than Larry.
It's bigger than Me....

Too many people have been hurt, in real life, (and I'm not talking about their 'feelings being hurt' either :roll:

) for this issue to simply float away because I (one of many involved in this effort) aimed at the wrong person because I got too fucking mad to see clearly.

The fact of the matter is that the side-bar issue with Larry clouds the very essense of the main issue here.

This main issue doesn't stop here...by a long shot. Especially considering the fact that I'm not the only one seeking restitution here.... Those others that have found themselves in my crosshairs, you should know that I have considerable proof in my pocket that my assertions regarding just who you are are indeed correct....In your cases, the evidence has never stopped pointing to you.

However,

Do yourself a favor...and show Larry enough respect by leaving yourself OUT of this apology thread....if you want to square off with me, my site's a great place. I invite you there, so you don't burden Andrew with these problems.

Thank you,
Frank

Posted: **Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:59 pm**

thanks Frank ,, were good,, if i can get back with Ed and Andrew .. then i going on a vacation..

i dont know all the interworkings of your anger here , but i hope you find the person and recieve your restitution..

Posted: **Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:17 pm**

You've always been ok with me Larry...

Posted: **Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:18 pm**

Andrew wrote:You've always been ok with me Larry...

sorry for hollering at you..

Posted: **Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:19 pm**

You fuckers aren't going to hug are you? :shock:

Posted: **Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:21 pm**

Rick wrote:You fuckers aren't going to hug are you?

gawd what a day rick.. HEY !!!! RICK LIVES IN TEXAS LIKE ME..WE BOTH PURGED OURSELVES FROM THE ANNEX AT THE SAME TIME.. bwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahhahahaahahah.. sorry man.. im punch drunk.. can we please attack rick for a while.. my eyes are crossed over.. .

Posted: **Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:22 pm**

His friendship with TVL is a major problem, but I still have some legit questions. I think he's offered to answer them.

I had like 2 posts about it - that was it. Others felt the need to overdefend, and there you have it.

Posted: **Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:24 pm**

larryfromnextdoor wrote:
Rick wrote:You fuckers aren't going to hug are you?

gawd what a day rick.. HEY !!!! RICK LIVES IN TEXAS LIKE ME..WE BOTH PURGED OURSELVES FROM THE ANNEX AT THE SAME TIME.. bwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahhahahaahahah.. sorry man.. im punch drunk.. can we please attack rick for a while.. my eyes are crossed over.. .

Ahem well one of you think you did, and both of you still had access. One does in good standing. Sorry.

Again a little out of character.

Posted: **Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:27 pm**

strangegrey wrote:Hey Folks,

A few things I want to address.

If I'm wrong, I'll always man up. Those of you that know me well enough, know that.

Today, I included Larry in what is a justifiable acusation towards others, before my evidence (with respect to Larry) ironed out completely in one direction or the other.

So to that end, Larry...I'm sorry man!

I don't make statements like the one I made today without significant proof.....and in my anger at this situation, I reacted, *specifically* to Larry, when evidence pointed in his direction....even though I hadn't allowed it to point AWAY from him until after I leveled the acusation.

I have discussed this privately with Larry and I hope that he and I can put this situation behind us.

Regardless, let me say again, Larry I'm sorry...

-----------

Now that I've said that, I want to stress to everyone that reads this, that this post is extremely difficult for me....and NOT for the reasons that the moral grandstanders that have tried to involve themselves in this issue may feel.

This issue is a whole lot bigger than Larry.
It's bigger than Me....

Too many people have been hurt, in real life, (and I'm not talking about their 'feelings being hurt' either ) for this issue to simply float away because I (one of many involved in this effort) aimed at the wrong person because I got too fucking mad to see clearly.

The fact of the matter is that the side-bar issue with Larry clouds the very essense of the main issue here.

This main issue doesn't stop here...by a long shot. Especially considering the fact that I'm not the only one seeking restitution here.... Those others that have found themselves in my crosshairs, you should know that I have considerable proof in my pocket that my assertions regarding just who you are are indeed correct....In your cases, the evidence has never stopped pointing to you.

However,

Do yourself a favor...and show Larry enough respect by leaving yourself OUT of this apology thread....if you want to square off with me, my site's a great place. I invite you there, so you don't burden Andrew with these problems.

Thank you,
Frank

I have to admit.. That was exceptional !

Posted: **Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:27 pm**

larryfromnextdoor wrote: can we please attack rick for a while..

Let's bend Rick over and fuck him in the ass! :lol:

Posted: **Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:28 pm**

Lar,

I love ya man. :cry:

Frank, you rock.

Posted: **Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:28 pm**

Rockindeano wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote: can we please attack rick for a while..

Let's bend Rick over and fuck him in the ass!

Posted: **Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:28 pm**

Rick wrote:You fuckers aren't going to hug are you?

Posted: **Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:29 pm**

Rick wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote: can we please attack rick for a while..

Let's bend Rick over and fuck him in the ass!

Is that what it looks like..Hell I have to start getting all my women in front of the mirror! :lol:

Posted: **Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:32 pm**

AR wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:
Rick wrote:You fuckers aren't going to hug are you?

gawd what a day rick.. HEY !!!! RICK LIVES IN TEXAS LIKE ME..WE BOTH PURGED OURSELVES FROM THE ANNEX AT THE SAME TIME.. bwahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahhahahaahahah.. sorry man.. im punch drunk.. can we please attack rick for a while.. my eyes are crossed over.. .

Ahem well one of you think you did, and both of you still had access. One does in good standing. Sorry.

Again a little out of character.

dude , its late... i dont really understand what you just said,, i asked to be deleted. fine.. you deleted me.. i got to work and wondered if i could get back in to check my mail for the last time.. it worked from my work ,, i made a couple of posts. had no mail.. checked a day or so later.. was locked.. that is cool.. that entire thing was rick and i speaking back and forth during a time when you were using an arnel screen name.. we thought you went over board and got upset with you .. the annex just isnt my thing though.. as you can tell from today.. i dont really want to be IN the loop.. i like it here.. .. in retrospect , rick and i should have shut up .. but we got caught up in it..

Posted: **Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:59 pm**

Journey69 wrote:...

WTF!
You're not exempt from this issue.....Stay the fuck out of this thread...
you're sill who you are....and your judgment day is coming...

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:15 am**

thanks, frank

Cat

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:19 am**

Very well said Frank. Classy post.

(let not have a habit of that kind of posting though - think of the example you might set! :shock:

)

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:24 am**

Journey69 wrote:
Rick wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote: can we please attack rick for a while..

Let's bend Rick over and fuck him in the ass!

Is that what it looks like..Hell I have to start getting all my personalities in front of the mirror!

Adjusted that for you (jk)!

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:30 am**

bluejeangirl76 wrote:Very well said Frank. Classy post.

(let not have a habit of that kind of posting though - think of the example you might set! )

you thought i was guilty..

i read it..

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:39 am**

Good work Frank! And thanks.

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:04 am**

Good on ya for apologizing to Larry, Frank....I respect that. My "moral grandstanding" yesterday was appropriate to the situation....but I see it as standing up for a very good friend who I care about and knew to be a completely innocent man. I hope you figure out the situation and get it resolved, but hopefully do it with a little more finesse and dont be so quick on the draw and react with emotion. Calm, steady, and rational thought, like you have shown here, is the way. Like they say...look before you leap. :wink:

I hope you and yours have a wonderful Christmas!
Take care,
~Phyllis

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:34 am**

For Larry and Journey69 -- I was in the middle of responding to both of ya in the other thread last night when the board was locked. I posted that comment about the avatar from Dec. 8th just for some history, and to take some more heat off both of ya on that particular point, so no problem. Basically, I think the whole avatar deal was a non-issue.

However, J69 -- You've always been cool to me here, and I appreciate that, but I do need to clarify that I wasn't specifically trying to defend your credibility, because I haven't seen you really defend yourself here -- that should be pretty easy to do. Seemed for a while you avoided engaging the assertion that you were someone else, and then began having a bit of fun with it rather than trying to disprove it. Just an observation (and maybe a suggestion)...

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:39 am**

Rip Rokken wrote:For Larry and Journey69 -- I was in the middle of responding to both of ya in the other thread last night when the board was locked. I posted that comment about the avatar from Dec. 8th just for some history, and to take some more heat off both of ya on that particular point, so no problem. Basically, I think the whole avatar deal was a non-issue.

However, J69 -- You've always been cool to me here, and I appreciate that, but I do need to clarify that I wasn't specifically trying to defend your credibility, because I haven't seen you really defend yourself here -- that should be pretty easy to do. Seemed for a while you avoided engaging the assertion that you were someone else, and then began having a bit of fun with it rather than trying to disprove it. Just an observation (and maybe a suggestion)...

'69 needs to say something relevant to the issue at hand for sure.. its not a game anymore..no smart ellic responses ect..

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:44 am**

larryfromnextdoor wrote:
Rip Rokken wrote:For Larry and Journey69 -- I was in the middle of responding to both of ya in the other thread last night when the board was locked. I posted that comment about the avatar from Dec. 8th just for some history, and to take some more heat off both of ya on that particular point, so no problem. Basically, I think the whole avatar deal was a non-issue.

However, J69 -- You've always been cool to me here, and I appreciate that, but I do need to clarify that I wasn't specifically trying to defend your credibility, because I haven't seen you really defend yourself here -- that should be pretty easy to do. Seemed for a while you avoided engaging the assertion that you were someone else, and then began having a bit of fun with it rather than trying to disprove it. Just an observation (and maybe a suggestion)...

'69 needs to say something relevant to the issue at hand for sure.. its not a game anymore..no smart ellic responses ect..

Why bother? We know who she is.

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:50 am**

larryfromnextdoor wrote:'69 needs to say something relevant to the issue at hand for sure.. its not a game anymore..no smart ellic responses ect..

Exactly... When '69's name was first linked to it (actually, it may have been the 2nd time the assertion was made), I posted to nudge him about his lack of response, and I doubt he couldn't have noticed -- I believe his screen name was part of the thread's subject. Didn't see a direct reply, though he posted later on in the thread talking about something else.

I'm not against ya, J69 -- but unless I've missed something, the way you've seemingly handled things only creates suspicion. I've always enjoyed your posts and hope you turn out to be legit, but that's up to you.

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:46 am**

Rip Rokken wrote:
larryfromnextdoor wrote:'69 needs to say something relevant to the issue at hand for sure.. its not a game anymore..no smart ellic responses ect..

Exactly... When '69's name was first linked to it (actually, it may have been the 2nd time the assertion was made), I posted to nudge him about his lack of response, and I doubt he couldn't have noticed -- I believe his screen name was part of the thread's subject. Didn't see a direct reply, though he posted later on in the thread talking about something else.

I'm not against ya, J69 -- but unless I've missed something, the way you've seemingly handled things only creates suspicion. I've always enjoyed your posts and hope you turn out to be legit, but that's up to you.

Rip.. I am totally legit..I have told a couple people my real name.. If Andrew has the ability to check my IP ,then have him do it.. Then it will be over.. I am not susie..How many times do I have to tell you. ? There are 2 guys on here ,who have been hurt by this girl ,that are insinuating that new people that log on are her.. If you think these people ,including myself are her.. Making it public isn't the way to do it..Your just making yourself look like an ass if your wrong..Which you are,in my case and Larry's.. Pm them and find out..or just simply Have Andrew check the IP..

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:27 am**

Journey69 wrote: Rip.. I am totally legit..If you think these people ,including myself are her.. Making it public isn't the way to do it..Your just making yourself look like an ass if your wrong..Which you are,in my case and Larry's.. Pm them and find out..or just simply Have Andrew check the IP..

Hey, J69 -

I think you misunderstood me, and I wasn't attacking you. I was just trying to encourage you to stick up for yourself and end it quickly, because I like ya (what I know of ya).

Peace, bro -

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:49 am**

Rip Rokken wrote:
Journey69 wrote: Rip.. I am totally legit..If you think these people ,including myself are her.. Making it public isn't the way to do it..Your just making yourself look like an ass if your wrong..Which you are,in my case and Larry's.. Pm them and find out..or just simply Have Andrew check the IP..

Hey, J69 -

I think you misunderstood me, and I wasn't attacking you. I was just trying to encourage you to stick up for yourself and end it quickly, because I like ya (what I know of ya).

Peace, bro -

I know you weren't man.. I was just cutting to the chase.

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:51 am**

All joking aside -

Even checking an IP address is fairly unlikely to resolve some peoples suspicions as an IP can easily be masked or altered.
I can't help but feel sorry for anyone that's innocent yet being targeted as it is considerably difficult to prove identity or motive over the internet. Continued pressure could be perceived as cyber bullying and may drive good people away or cause anxiety. I think its amazing that a number of people have done such sterling work to assist friends and eradicate unwanted elements from the board but am concerned for those caught in the crossfire. With that in mind perhaps such matters are best left off the boards and dealt with privately through moderators.

And no..I am..not Susie..honest!!! :lol:

MR

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