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ESPN is reporting Roger Clemens and Andy Pettite to be among those on the list. The announcement comes in 5 minutes. Between 60 and 80 players will be on it.

Here we go!

explain one thing, please. why is the government involved? is it because steriods are illegal? it just dawned on me this morning that i don't really know why the feds are involved here. enlighten me, please.

AR wrote:ESPN is reporting Roger Clemens and Andy Pettite to be among those on the list. The announcement comes in 5 minutes. Between 60 and 80 players will be on it.

Here we go!

I had heard there would be over 300 names dating back for some years. May have been a radio DJ exagerating though.

Clemens and Petitte, huh?

I think the Yankees just signed Petitte for 16 million for next year too.

It's not just Yankees.

This report was commissioned by MLB not the Federal Govt.

The game of baseball is great. The MLB way of conducting business is far from ideal.

All 30 major league teams have multiple offenders.

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/071 ... report.pdf

full report

There's even copies of cancelled checks. Barry Bonds Is actually loving this report. He can now simply say if you think I accomplished everything I did because of steroids, how can you explain guys like FP Santangello, Larry Bigbie, Jim Parque, Fernando Vina, ETC, ETC, ETC all sucking ass as players.

Lula wrote:explain one thing, please. why is the government involved? is it because steriods are illegal? it just dawned on me this morning that i don't really know why the feds are involved here. enlighten me, please.

Hey Lula girl

I am sure that many will have something different to say on the subject than I do however, the basic part I see is that:

Steroids in themselves are not illegal.

However some doctors (usually known as "script: docs) write prescriptions for them for people to use them for other than their intended use. That is very dangerous and has cost many people their lives.

Many suppliers are not even doctors - many times the steroids are obtained illegally (theft and brought in from other countries) and just distributed in the club house - no precriptions, no doctors, no licenses - very illegal

that brings in the Food and Drug Administration.

Some people love them - some people hate them.

Also the drugs are transported not only across state lines but also across international boundries.

Many times they are prroduced in other countries with out very good oversight on manufacturing and sanitary practices.

Steroids are banned by most Sports I believe - and the Olymcics used to be so bad, they had to test not only for steroid use but also for gender.

I think the MLB wants to clean their own house and that is what brought this to the front


I saw a great sign in a clip this morning on the news.

It said:

"Babe Ruth did it on hot dogs and beer"

There are more issues but hell I am tired hehhe

Hope this helps. Of course it might also start WWIII

Some days here it is a coin toss.


Cat

The entire Mitchell report is available as a pdf download on ESPN.com - front page, for those interested.

CatEyes wrote:

Lula wrote:explain one thing, please. why is the government involved? is it because steriods are illegal? it just dawned on me this morning that i don't really know why the feds are involved here. enlighten me, please.

Hey Lula girl

I am sure that many will have something different to say on the subject than I do however, the basic part I see is that:

Steroids in themselves are not illegal.

However some doctors (usually known as "script: docs) write prescriptions for them for people to use them for other than their intended use. That is very dangerous and has cost many people their lives.

Many suppliers are not even doctors - many times the steroids are obtained illegally (theft and brought in from other countries) and just distributed in the club house - no precriptions, no doctors, no licenses - very illegal

that brings in the Food and Drug Administration.

Some people love them - some people hate them.

Also the drugs are transported not only across state lines but also across international boundries.

Many times they are prroduced in other countries with out very good oversight on manufacturing and sanitary practices.

Steroids are banned by most Sports I believe - and the Olymcics used to be so bad, they had to test not only for steroid use but also for gender.

I think the MLB wants to clean their own house and that is what brought this to the front


I saw a great sign in a clip this morning on the news.

It said:

"Babe Ruth did it on hot dogs and beer"

There are more issues but hell I am tired hehhe

Hope this helps. Of course it might also start WWIII

Some days here it is a coin toss.


Cat

i love hot dogs and beer!!

thanks cat

p.s.-
Wyatt is at the docs with daddy, just got an update- he is 11.4 lbs and 23.5 inches long .

One_Up wrote:http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/071213/mitchell_report.pdf

full report

There's even copies of cancelled checks. Barry Bonds Is actually loving this report. He can now simply say if you think I accomplished everything I did because of steroids, how can you explain guys like FP Santangello, Larry Bigbie, Jim Parque, Fernando Vina, ETC, ETC, ETC all sucking ass as players.

Sorry, didn't catch that you posted that already.

It's interesting reading. Just do a search in the window for your favorite player.

I hope the Astros enjoy Miggie Tejada. LOL

Lula wrote:i love hot dogs and beer!!

thanks cat

p.s.-
Wyatt is at the docs with daddy, just got an update- he is 11.4 lbs and 23.5 inches long .

Excellent!!!

and without 'roids!!!! hehehe

Ok question, you being a hockey fan might have been paying attention.

Is there ever talk about the use of steroids in hockey?

I don't recall ever hearing about it.

Cat

Just looking at a few names in this:
David Segui
Glenallen Hill
Ron Villone
F.P. Santangelo
Mo Vaughn
Randy Velarde
Tim Laker
Larry Bigbie
Rondell White
Brian Roberts
Eric Gagne
Miguel Tejada
Paul LoDuca

Is Journey69 on the list?

CatEyes wrote:

Lula wrote:i love hot dogs and beer!!

thanks cat

p.s.-
Wyatt is at the docs with daddy, just got an update- he is 11.4 lbs and 23.5 inches long .

Excellent!!!

and without 'roids!!!! hehehe

Ok question, you being a hockey fan might have been paying attention.

Is there ever talk about the use of steroids in hockey?

I don't recall ever hearing about it.

Cat

i've never heard of it- ever! those hockey players are pretty amazing specimens .

Lula wrote:

CatEyes wrote:

Lula wrote:i love hot dogs and beer!!

thanks cat

p.s.-
Wyatt is at the docs with daddy, just got an update- he is 11.4 lbs and 23.5 inches long .

Excellent!!!

and without 'roids!!!! hehehe

Ok question, you being a hockey fan might have been paying attention.

Is there ever talk about the use of steroids in hockey?

I don't recall ever hearing about it.

Cat

i've never heard of it- ever! those hockey players are pretty amazing specimens .

Real men??? I may need to start paying attention

Thanks

Cat

real gentlemen! I met Teemu Selanne and he was so kind, so handsome too. Blew away my meeting of those so-called rockstars .

AR wrote;
I hope the Astros enjoy Miggie Tejada. LOL

I'm sure they will. I think that he'll have a big year in that lineup.
It should make a big difference being protected by Berkman and Lee in the lineup instead of the likes of Millar and Gibbons.

Skiming through...here are more names; could be more:
Andy Pettitte
Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estalella
Both Giambis
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde
Lenny Dykstra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Greg Zaun
David Justice
FP Santangello
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnells
Todd Williams
Nook Logan
Howie Clark
Troy Glaus
Jeff Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christianson
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Paul LoDuca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen

I'm a huge Cubs fan but I'm really surprised Sammy Sosa is not on the list.

KenTheDude wrote:I'm a huge Cubs fan but I'm really surprised Sammy Sosa is not on the list.

Well he just lucked out I'm sure. A lot of the names came from the NY Mets clubhouse guy and the trail just went a certain way. These names certainly aren't the only baseball players using performance enhancers.

Lenny Dykstra??

How far back does this list go? He's been retired for a while, hasn't he?

Just Mindy wrote:Lenny Dykstra??

How far back does this list go? He's been retired for a while, hasn't he?

It's a report that includes parts about any type of drug abuse in baseball. It even talks about Fergie Jenkins getting busted for having cocaine & hash. I believe that was in 1980.

By the way, speaking of Lenny Dykstra, me being a big Cubs fan, Lenny (playing for the Mets) used to continuously kick the Cub's ass. He was a Cubs killer. Because of that, my nickname for him was "Lenny the Dyke".

AR wrote:

KenTheDude wrote:I'm a huge Cubs fan but I'm really surprised Sammy Sosa is not on the list.

Well he just lucked out I'm sure. A lot of the names came from the NY Mets clubhouse guy and the trail just went a certain way. These names certainly aren't the only baseball players using performance enhancers.

I concur...many sellers/users have just been better at covering their tracks to this point. Sammy & McGwire must have used one of thse guys
If you are wondering why you don't see any Red Sox players, know that Mitchell is on the board for the BOSTON RED SOX. I wonder just how deeply he dug into evidence on players like Manny, Ortiz and the other big named players.

KenTheDude wrote:I'm a huge Cubs fan but I'm really surprised Sammy Sosa is not on the list.

This list was created by the testimony and evidence produced by ONE WHITE GUY FROM LONG ISLAND. Sosa got his drugs from the DR or other latin country. This was Radomski's list. There's 100's of Radomski's around baseball who supplied drugs to all your favorite players and teams.

Because is against the rules, and because we pay so much to see them,
Dontcha think we should be able to sue players who cheat? And the team that looks the other way when they do?
Seems to me this would clear up this steroid issue right away.


I stil think its totally ridiculous an athlete can make millions a year, and cheat, and keep all that money.

Frickin ridiculous country we live in eh?
Oops, forgot the rich make the rules.

scarab wrote:Because is against the rules, and because we pay so much to see them,
Dontcha think we should be able to sue players who cheat? And the team that looks the other way when they do?
Seems to me this would clear up this steroid issue right away.


I stil think its totally ridiculous an athlete can make millions a year, and cheat, and keep all that money.

Frickin ridiculous country we live in eh?
Oops, forgot the rich make the rules.

Great point!

Is it safe to say bodybuilders and prowrestlers are immune to these investigations? If not, I know a governor in Caleeeforneeia who should be on a list somewhere.

KenTheDude wrote:I'm a huge Cubs fan but I'm really surprised Sammy Sosa is not on the list.

Was just getting ready to ask!!

and what about his buddy Mark McGuire?

Cat

One_Up wrote:

KenTheDude wrote:I'm a huge Cubs fan but I'm really surprised Sammy Sosa is not on the list.

This list was created by the testimony and evidence produced by ONE WHITE GUY FROM LONG ISLAND. Sosa got his drugs from the DR or other latin country. This was Radomski's list. There's 100's of Radomski's around baseball who supplied drugs to all your favorite players and teams.

ahhhhh ok ...... making more sense

Cat