OT: The Clinton Administration

[conversationpc]

http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalis ... ndals.html

Read and discuss...

[Rockindeano]

The title in your link says it all. I don't have the time to read lies.

Fact: The most successful administration in US history.

"Nuff said."

[Rip Rokken]

Fact: The most successful administration in US history.

If I believe what I read at the Clinton Library, I might agree.

[conversationpc]

The title in your link says it all. I don't have the time to read lies.

Fact: The most successful administration in US history.

"Nuff said."

That took a little longer than I thought to catch the first fish. I'll discuss my motives later.

[Perrydise]

This Bush administration isn't much better.

Remember the "WMD" that were never found and soiled the credibility of a honorable man Colin Powell?

At least Clinton isn't responsible for thousands of our military dying in a war because as Bushie boy puts it, "this guy (Saddam) tried to kill my daddy."

[conversationpc]

This Bush administration isn't much better.

Remember the "WMD" that were never found and soiled the credibility of a honorable man Colin Powell?

At least Clinton isn't responsible for thousands of our military dying in a war because as Bushie boy puts it, "this guy (Saddam) tried to kill my daddy."

Fish #2.

[Enigma869]

Let me preface my comments by saying that I am a registered independent and have voted for both Democrats and Republicans. The one thing that I've ALWAYS believed in life is that presidents are mostly going to be judged by how prosperous the times are, while they are in office. The reality is that when Bill Clinton was the president, the country was VERY prosperous! People made more money in the stock market than they had EVER made before! When you look at Clinton's predecessor, the economy wasn't very good on the first Bush's watch. Then you fast forward to W, and the economy is even more atrocious on his watch! Obviously there were 12 years between the two Bush administrations, but the one constant is that they both presided over abysmal economies, the highest gas prices, EVER, and neither could get over their obsession with Saddam!

Even with Clinton's "scandals", his approval rating was ALWAYS through the roof. I think W's approval rating is probably the lowest, since they've been tracking these things! Even after the Lewinsky fiasco, Clinton's approval rating didn't take a hit! The bottom line for Americans is the bigger picture! We understand that there isn't a human being alive, who is without flaws! John F. Kennedy was running around screwing everything that wasn't nailed down, while he was in office, and yet presidential historians view him as a very good and quite significant president! As long as Americans are doing well, the president will always be more popular than not! I can tell you this...I've never given a rat's ass who the president is boning! It has ZERO impact on my life! On the other hand, I happen to care a great deal about paying $3.25 a gallon for gasoline and watching countless American soldiers being sent back home in body bags!

Whether you like Bush or not, it doesn't change the fact that the economy has been driven into the ground, on his watch, gas prices are SIGNIFICANTLY higher than they've EVER been, he started a war that he had ZERO reason for starting, the American housing market and morgage industry has completely collapsed (not something I really blame him for, but many others surely will), and he flunked out of his "Hooked On Phonics" classes! I'm sure that the presidential historians will not view W's administration is a very favorable light, AT ALL!


John from Boston

[Lula]

I can tell you this...I've never given a rat's ass who the president is boning! It has ZERO impact on my life! On the other hand, I happen to care a great deal about paying $3.25 a gallon for gasoline and watching countless American soldiers being sent back home in body bags!

John from Boston

i like your whole post, but this in particular rings true for me. very well said john.

insert audience applauding

[Rockindeano]

I have lost a lot of respect for you Dave, if in fact you go to these sites and actually believe the crap on them.

For you to base your arguments against Bill Clinton with copy and paste garbage is sickening.

[7 Wishes]

Certainly some scandals in there, but most of them are complete conspiracy fabrications by Republicans and the vast majority were proven irrefutably untrue. THIS is the perfect example of Rove and the Smearers at their best.

[Arkansas]

... At least Clinton isn't responsible for thousands of our military dying in a war ...

Many believe that if Clinton would have taken-out Bin Laden when he had the chance, there'd be a whole lot more people alive today...in New York, in the middle east, and in our military.


later~

[Rip Rokken]

I have lost a lot of respect for you Dave, if in fact you go to these sites and actually believe the crap on them.

For you to base your arguments against Bill Clinton with copy and paste garbage is sickening.

I'm getting the impression he's using this to demonstrate a completely different point, and am waiting for it...

[conversationpc]

I have lost a lot of respect for you Dave, if in fact you go to these sites and actually believe the crap on them.

For you to base your arguments against Bill Clinton with copy and paste garbage is sickening.

I'm getting the impression he's using this to demonstrate a completely different point, and am waiting for it...

Exactly. Point being that many of the libs on this board consistently jump at the chance to believe any and every kooky theory about Bush as long as it makes him look bad. They behave the same way the conspiracy nuts during Clinton's time did, falling hook, line, and sinker for these stories simply out of hatred for a particular person.

All I did was a simple Google search for "Clinton Administration corrupt". I clicked on the second link provided, skimmed the topics included, copied the URL and pasted it into this thread. I never read any of the information from the site and figured most of it was probably fabricated.

[7 Wishes]

... At least Clinton isn't responsible for thousands of our military dying in a war ...

Many believe that if Clinton would have taken-out Bin Laden when he had the chance, there'd be a whole lot more people alive today...in New York, in the middle east, and in our military.

later~

What, now it's Clinton's fault that the intelligence wasn't just spot-on and they missed him by hours? What, was the U.S. supposed to declare war on Pakistan or Afghanistan (when at the time there was NO link between that country and terrorism other than some isolated terrorist cell camps)? At least Clinton knew Bin Laden was the target, and didn't pussy out of the whole thing and try to distract his Administration's failure by declaring war on a secular state that harbored NO terrorists, such as, oh, I don't know, Iraq?

Why no tough-guy posturing from Bush and Co. about North Korea or Saudi Arabia - the country of origin of 20 of the 21 WTC bombers? Please do tell. Why is diplomacy the course of action in North Korea (even though it's failing and they are not complying) but not in Iran or Iraq (which had NOTHING, repeat, N-O-T-H-I-N-G to do with 9/11?

[conversationpc]

I have lost a lot of respect for you Dave, if in fact you go to these sites and actually believe the crap on them.

For you to base your arguments against Bill Clinton with copy and paste garbage is sickening.

Read my post above explaining my little experiment here. I didn't even read that site and do agree that most of the stuff on it is probably garbage.

[7 Wishes]

All I did was a simple Google search for "Clinton Administration corrupt". I clicked on the second link provided, skimmed the topics included, copied the URL and pasted it into this thread. I never read any of the information from the site and figured most of it was probably fabricated.

Funny thing! If you google "Bush Administration" and "corrupt", there are 442,000 results...but if you google "Clinton Administration" and "corrupt" there is a yield of only 352,000. Hmmmm. Let's see...

Key Word "Bush Administration" "Clinton Administration"
"INEPT" 284,000 72,000
"AWFUL" 276,000 84,000
"DECEITFUL" 62,200 26,200
"INCOMPETENT" 268,000 82,300
"WORST RECORD" 11,500 1,830

Keep in mind that 97% of these results are NOT, repeat, NOT from media sources, but rather from independent research organizations or personal sites.

Put that in your corn cob pipe and smoke it.

[conversationpc]

Keep in mind that 97% of these results are NOT, repeat, NOT from media sources, but rather from independent research organizations or personal sites.

Put that in your corn cob pipe and smoke it.

You're missing the point totally. There's nothing to smoke. There's not even anything to light up with.

[7 Wishes]

With all respect, Dave, I'm not missing the point.

Anyone can concoct a website that can allege just about anything, whether or not there is an inkling of truth to those assertions.

The difference is that there is a clear association between negative sentiments about the Bush Administration as opposed to the Clinton Administration. There is also a hell of a big difference between getting a blowjob or having coffee with some Chinese businessmen (keep in mind NO legislation was passed as a consequence of these meetings) versus starting an illegal war that has killed thousands of Americans and half a million innocent Iraqi civilians.

[conversationpc]

With all respect, Dave, I'm not missing the point.

Anyone can concoct a website that can allege just about anything, whether or not there is an inkling of truth to those assertions.

No, you're not getting the point but your last sentence comes close. My point is about the double standard here in regards to these kooky conspiracy theories about Bush. They are just as bad as those about Clinton. People who believe in them on either side are worthy of contempt, yet some of the libs here swallow those things hook, line, and sinker because of their hatred for Bush. The same kind of idiots were alive and well during the Clinton administration.

[Rockindeano]

starting an illegal war that has killed thousands of Americans and half a million innocent Iraqi civilians.

That's downright chilling. The world has every right to hate us.

[Lula]

... At least Clinton isn't responsible for thousands of our military dying in a war ...

Many believe that if Clinton would have taken-out Bin Laden when he had the chance, there'd be a whole lot more people alive today...in New York, in the middle east, and in our military.


later~

and many believe that paying attention to security briefing/memos may have prevented the atrocities of 9/11. and many believe that the U.S. invasion of Iraq is wrong and was based on a series of lies. and many believe it is unconstitutional to wire tap without a warrant, etc... i suppose it all depends on personal philosophy and beliefs.

[StoneCold]

... At least Clinton isn't responsible for thousands of our military dying in a war ...

Many believe that if Clinton would have taken-out Bin Laden when he had the chance, there'd be a whole lot more people alive today...in New York, in the middle east, and in our military.


later~

I concur.

[Rockindeano]

and many believe that paying attention to security briefing/memos may have prevented the atrocities of 9/11. and many believe that the U.S. invasion of Iraq is wrong and was based on a series of lies. and many believe it is unconstitutional to wire tap without a warrant, etc... i suppose it all depends on personal philosophy and beliefs.

And many here, with the exception of a certain guy in Texas believes in capital letters and proper punctuation.

[conversationpc]

and many believe that paying attention to security briefing/memos may have prevented the atrocities of 9/11. and many believe that the U.S. invasion of Iraq is wrong and was based on a series of lies. and many believe it is unconstitutional to wire tap without a warrant, etc... i suppose it all depends on personal philosophy and beliefs.

And many here, with the exception of a certain guy in Texas believes in capital letters and proper punctuation.

Way to spare your better half there, Deano.

[Rockindeano]

... At least Clinton isn't responsible for thousands of our military dying in a war ...

Many believe that if Clinton would have taken-out Bin Laden when he had the chance, there'd be a whole lot more people alive today...in New York, in the middle east, and in our military.


later~

I thought W was "gonna smoke em out of their holes and bring em to justice?" He has had about as much time as Clinton and yet I don't see any criticism towards W?

Fact is, bin Laden alive is better for the war machine, err, GOP.

[Lula]

And many here, with the exception of a certain guy in Texas believes in capital letters and proper punctuation.

well either i have a secret with larry or i'm feeding the baby and only have one free hand!

[Lula]

and many believe that paying attention to security briefing/memos may have prevented the atrocities of 9/11. and many believe that the U.S. invasion of Iraq is wrong and was based on a series of lies. and many believe it is unconstitutional to wire tap without a warrant, etc... i suppose it all depends on personal philosophy and beliefs.

And many here, with the exception of a certain guy in Texas believes in capital letters and proper punctuation.

Way to spare your better half their, Deano.

oh you be quiet!

[conversationpc]

I thought W was "gonna smoke em out of their holes and bring em to justice?" He has had about as much time as Clinton and yet I don't see any criticism towards W?

Yeah, some of Bush's rhetoric was a little over the top. Certainly, though, it's human nature to react that way when someone does something nasty to you, don't you think? I mean, if someone slams me, my gut reaction is to lash out at them in return, regardless of if that is the right way to go about it.

Fact is, bin Laden alive is better for the war machine, err, GOP.

That's one of those kooky conspiracy theories raising its ugly head there. That was the whole point of this thread.

[conversationpc]

and many believe that paying attention to security briefing/memos may have prevented the atrocities of 9/11. and many believe that the U.S. invasion of Iraq is wrong and was based on a series of lies. and many believe it is unconstitutional to wire tap without a warrant, etc... i suppose it all depends on personal philosophy and beliefs.

And many here, with the exception of a certain guy in Texas believes in capital letters and proper punctuation.

Way to spare your better half their, Deano.

oh you be quiet!

Hey, I was defending you there. Ease up!

[Lula]

my apologies, sir dave