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My lord, ive never ever noticed how good this song is. Infact i may even go as far to say that Generation was a very good album with some excellent quality songs. I dont know why i gave this album such a hard time apart from about the sound quality.

So are there other people who have been converted? People who didnt think very much of the record but who can now relise how good it actually is?

The album sucks and you might consider audio help. Suicide is another good alternative.

The album is good as is, and it could've been so much better if a few certain steps were taken:




1. No vocalists other than Augeri and Deen (Even though I personally enjoy Neal and Friga's voices, actually)

2. Better overall production

3. Trim off "Butterfly (She Flies Alone)", "Believe," "Knowing that You Love Me"

4. Put in an extra rocker or two, I'm sure Neal still has plenty of Soul SirkUS/Planet US leftovers, or maybe a Journeyed adaptation of one of his "I ON U" tracks

5. Maybe adjust the track order so people aren't intimidated by two songs with "Heart" in the title starting out the CD



With these steps followed it would've been the best Journey release since Frontiers. I really loved the urgent, spacey feel of the Generations record and loved the fact that Neal and Deen were the stars.

Whenever I think of Generations, I think of Deano yelling "Friga!" during "Every Generation" at the Clearwater show last year. LOL!

Not one of my fave Journey releases, but I do like some songs.

"Faith in the Heartland"
"The Place in Your Heart"
"A Better Life"
"Out of Harms Way"
"Better Together"
"Beyond the Clouds"
"Never Too Late" (bonus track)

These are my personal favourites from the album, i think there are really some fantastic tracks there. I always imagine that "Remember me" would of fitted perfectly on this record without a doubt.

The problem the album had i think was the flow of it, so it made it difficult to really get into. There are more than enough songs ive listed to stop this album from being "sucky" imo.

If Journey releases another career-spanning box set or greatest tracks collection, I honestly think it'd be a crime to leave off "Faith In the Heartland," "The Place in Your Heart," "Out of Harms Way," and "Never Too Late."

ProgRocker53 wrote:If Journey releases another career-spanning box set or greatest tracks collection, I honestly think it'd be a crime to leave off "Faith In the Heartland," "The Place in Your Heart," "Out of Harms Way," and "Never Too Late."

Why would it be a "crime" to leave off 4 songs the general buying public has never heard? Besides, those all blow anyway. The only songs I could see making a compilation disc (for the sake of argument) are Remember Me and Higher Place (even though I think Higher Place sucks).

Saint John wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:If Journey releases another career-spanning box set or greatest tracks collection, I honestly think it'd be a crime to leave off "Faith In the Heartland," "The Place in Your Heart," "Out of Harms Way," and "Never Too Late."

Why would it be a "crime" to leave off 4 songs the general buying public has never heard? Besides, those all blow anyway. The only songs I could see making a compilation disc (for the sake of argument) are Remember Me and Higher Place (even though I think Higher Place sucks).

I really, truly enjoy those four songs and many people I have discussed Generations with likes those as well. How do those four songs suck anyway? Besides, a "general buying public" shouldn't dictate how good certain songs are. "Look Into the Future" is the greatest Journey song ever written and recorded, but 90% of people who call themselves Journey fans have never heard it. That makes me sad.

Saint John wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:If Journey releases another career-spanning box set or greatest tracks collection, I honestly think it'd be a crime to leave off "Faith In the Heartland," "The Place in Your Heart," "Out of Harms Way," and "Never Too Late."

Why would it be a "crime" to leave off 4 songs the general buying public has never heard? Besides, those all blow anyway. The only songs I could see making a compilation disc (for the sake of argument) are Remember Me and Higher Place (even though I think Higher Place sucks).

Well the general public wouldnt of heard any of the new songs anyway (overall), so if they were to do it they would have to put some songs on it wouldnt they. If Perry sang those songs you wouldnt think they sucked.

youkeepmewaiting wrote:

Saint John wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:If Journey releases another career-spanning box set or greatest tracks collection, I honestly think it'd be a crime to leave off "Faith In the Heartland," "The Place in Your Heart," "Out of Harms Way," and "Never Too Late."

Why would it be a "crime" to leave off 4 songs the general buying public has never heard? Besides, those all blow anyway. The only songs I could see making a compilation disc (for the sake of argument) are Remember Me and Higher Place (even though I think Higher Place sucks).

Well the general public wouldnt of heard any of the new songs anyway (overall), so if they were to do it they would have to put some songs on it wouldnt they. If Perry sang those songs you wouldnt think they sucked.

"If" my uncle had one more hole he'd be my aunt. The songs aren't good...you'll never see them on any sort of compilation...ever. Besides, to sell something you need demand. I'd say the demand for those songs is probably in the tenns...17 being my guess.

Saint John wrote:

youkeepmewaiting wrote:

Saint John wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:If Journey releases another career-spanning box set or greatest tracks collection, I honestly think it'd be a crime to leave off "Faith In the Heartland," "The Place in Your Heart," "Out of Harms Way," and "Never Too Late."

Why would it be a "crime" to leave off 4 songs the general buying public has never heard? Besides, those all blow anyway. The only songs I could see making a compilation disc (for the sake of argument) are Remember Me and Higher Place (even though I think Higher Place sucks).

Well the general public wouldnt of heard any of the new songs anyway (overall), so if they were to do it they would have to put some songs on it wouldnt they. If Perry sang those songs you wouldnt think they sucked.

"If" my uncle had one more hole he'd be my aunt. The songs aren't good...you'll never see them on any sort of compilation...ever. Besides, to sell something you need demand. I'd say the demand for those songs is probably in the tenns...17 being my guess.

Serisouly though, apart from the fact Perry didnt sing them how did those songs suck?

ProgRocker53 wrote:

Saint John wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:If Journey releases another career-spanning box set or greatest tracks collection, I honestly think it'd be a crime to leave off "Faith In the Heartland," "The Place in Your Heart," "Out of Harms Way," and "Never Too Late."

Why would it be a "crime" to leave off 4 songs the general buying public has never heard? Besides, those all blow anyway. The only songs I could see making a compilation disc (for the sake of argument) are Remember Me and Higher Place (even though I think Higher Place sucks).

I really, truly enjoy those four songs and many people I have discussed Generations with likes those as well. How do those four songs suck anyway? Besides, a "general buying public" shouldn't dictate how good certain songs are. "Look Into the Future" is the greatest Journey song ever written and recorded, but 90% of people who call themselves Journey fans have never heard it. That makes me sad.

Okay, just out of curiosity, what, in your opinion DOES dictate how good certain songs or an album is? I always thought that was the measurement of gold, platinum, etc. And, if "Look Into the Future" is the greatest Journey song ever written and recorded, why wasn't IT used on the Sopranos or for that matter, everywhere else, these days?

youkeepmewaiting wrote: If Perry sang those songs you wouldnt think they sucked.

That's a dopey argument! You can't separate the song from the singer! Ever hear Cain sing "Faithfully"? I have, and it's as bad as bad gets! It flat out SUCKS, and it's probably my favorite ballad, EVER! As I've said before, the biggest problem with "Generations" were the members of Journey thinking that they were all vocally gifted enough to sing lead! If the name of your band isn't The Eagles, leave the singing to one guy! Save all of our ears the pain! Generations SUCKED, and for me, was an embarrassment to the Journey catalog. Also, as has been said here before, the quality of the recording was worse than I've heard from some amateur bands, who recorded demos in their garage! If Neal and Jon want to keep recording music under the name "Journey", they owe it to the "legacy" that they speak so much of, MUCH BETTER than what Generations was!


John from Boston

Actually, there are some real gems on Gens. Faith, Place in your Heart and Better Life. Even Neal told me there was some good material on there. He knows it was thrown together. That's one thing I really appreciate about Perry. He never turned out any crap. It was always well done, polished and perfected. He took pride in the name, whereas Jon and Neal squeeze all the goodwill out of the name that was built up by the Classic lineup.

journeyrock wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:

Saint John wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:If Journey releases another career-spanning box set or greatest tracks collection, I honestly think it'd be a crime to leave off "Faith In the Heartland," "The Place in Your Heart," "Out of Harms Way," and "Never Too Late."

Why would it be a "crime" to leave off 4 songs the general buying public has never heard? Besides, those all blow anyway. The only songs I could see making a compilation disc (for the sake of argument) are Remember Me and Higher Place (even though I think Higher Place sucks).

I really, truly enjoy those four songs and many people I have discussed Generations with likes those as well. How do those four songs suck anyway? Besides, a "general buying public" shouldn't dictate how good certain songs are. "Look Into the Future" is the greatest Journey song ever written and recorded, but 90% of people who call themselves Journey fans have never heard it. That makes me sad.

Okay, just out of curiosity, what, in your opinion DOES dictate how good certain songs or an album is? I always thought that was the measurement of gold, platinum, etc. And, if "Look Into the Future" is the greatest Journey song ever written and recorded, why wasn't IT used on the Sopranos or for that matter, everywhere else, these days?

Simple- Because LITF lacks catchy hooks and isn't commercially accessible at all, while DSB is one of Journey's "hit single" songs.

If the general buying public, hit singles, mainstreamness, and all that shit determines how good an artist, album, or song is....

....then groups and singers like Vanilla Ice, The Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, Insane Clown Posse, Nickelback, Simple Plan, and Toby Keith are better and more credible than groups and singers like Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater, King Crimson, Jeff Scott Soto and Talisman, Marillion, King's X, Camel, Mew, and so on. LOL.

ProgRocker53 wrote:

journeyrock wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:

Saint John wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:If Journey releases another career-spanning box set or greatest tracks collection, I honestly think it'd be a crime to leave off "Faith In the Heartland," "The Place in Your Heart," "Out of Harms Way," and "Never Too Late."

Why would it be a "crime" to leave off 4 songs the general buying public has never heard? Besides, those all blow anyway. The only songs I could see making a compilation disc (for the sake of argument) are Remember Me and Higher Place (even though I think Higher Place sucks).

I really, truly enjoy those four songs and many people I have discussed Generations with likes those as well. How do those four songs suck anyway? Besides, a "general buying public" shouldn't dictate how good certain songs are. "Look Into the Future" is the greatest Journey song ever written and recorded, but 90% of people who call themselves Journey fans have never heard it. That makes me sad.

Okay, just out of curiosity, what, in your opinion DOES dictate how good certain songs or an album is? I always thought that was the measurement of gold, platinum, etc. And, if "Look Into the Future" is the greatest Journey song ever written and recorded, why wasn't IT used on the Sopranos or for that matter, everywhere else, these days?

Simple- Because LITF lacks catchy hooks and isn't commercially accessible at all, while DSB is one of Journey's "hit single" songs.

If the general buying public, hit singles, mainstreamness, and all that shit determines how good an artist, album, or song is....

....then groups and singers like Vanilla Ice, The Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, Insane Clown Posse, Nickelback, Simple Plan, and Toby Keith are better and more credible than groups and singers like Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater, King Crimson, Jeff Scott Soto and Talisman, Marillion, King's X, Camel, Mew, and so on. LOL.

Woop, Fish rocked!

Dude, Nickelback and Toby Keith are both talented.

Rockindeano wrote:Dude, Nickelback and Toby Keith are both talented.

They may be talented but they seem to have this horrible habit of having song after song after song, that sound like their own other material as well as the stuff released by their peers and contemporaries. If Nickelback and Keith weren't so formulaic, they'd have more success (if possible) and a little more credibility.

For the record, I happen to LOVE a few certain Toby Keith songs. Dream Walkin', Wish I Didn't Know Now, He Ain't Worth Missin', I Know A Wall When I See One, It Works for Me, Gimme 8 Seconds.... those are some good tunes. Keith probably could've been a good heartland rocker or AOR singer in another life.

If it was a career-spanning compilation than some songs from Generations should be included. If there was a 4th disc to Time3 than I would expect 4-5 songs from TBF, Remember Me, 3-4 songs from Arrival, 2-3 songs from Generations and maybe something off RED13.

If it is a Greatest Hitsa compilation than obviously nothing pre- or post- Perry would make it.

I've always maintained that OOHW is a standout track, even though Soto doesn't agree.

Lady Luck wrote:Whenever I think of Generations, I think of Deano yelling "Friga!" during "Every Generation" at the Clearwater show last year. LOL!

Not one of my fave Journey releases, but I do like some songs.

i dont remember that!

NealIsGod wrote:I've always maintained that OOHW is a standout track, even though Soto doesn't agree.

Yea that was weird.

Seems like that one would be right down his street but he DID like TPIYH though never got to sing it other than a rehearsal I think.

I havent listen to Generations since 2005.

enough said. I still have infinity in my car CD changer....

FishinMagician wrote:

Lady Luck wrote:Whenever I think of Generations, I think of Deano yelling "Friga!" during "Every Generation" at the Clearwater show last year. LOL!

Not one of my fave Journey releases, but I do like some songs.

i dont remember that!

Yeah, I was always yelling at the Frig. He always looked up too, like he was supposed to or something. In Orlando, I yelled at the Frig and he damn near fucked up DSB.

I really enjoy the music and even like the vocals in the chorus, but to me, Augeri doesnt pull this one off,
Every time I hear him sing, that line that ends in find a job..makes me want to hit the forward button.
Along with the throwaway schon, cain, valory vocals songs, the two augeri penned songs were terrible along with that horrendous cain ballad. What the Friga is up with the with the line, if i could only go back to the day you were born??????


Im not the biggest fan of arrival for all the ballads but it blow generations away,

the two Castranova songs kicked *ss tho

i love generations. well, not the ballads so much but I don't like ballads anyway.

FITH and OOHW are 2 of the best Journey songs ever.

I agree...I liked Generations..Leave off Jon's,Neals,and Ross's songs and it would be even better! Also,people bash the production quality,look at Frontiers,the production quality on that album sucks!

lights1961 wrote:I havent listen to Generations since 2005.

enough said. I still have infinity in my car CD changer....

We are really happy for you!

Journey69 wrote:I agree...I liked Generations..Leave off Jon's,Neals,and Ross's songs and it would be even better! Also,people bash the production quality,look at Frontiers,the production quality on that album sucks!

You're fucking high. Faithfully and Separate Ways have always stood out to me as songs that have everything perfectly in the mix with in your face vocals. As Andrew would say, your statement was pure poppycock.

Journey69 wrote:I agree...I liked Generations..Leave off Jon's,Neals,and Ross's songs and it would be even better! Also,people bash the production quality,look at Frontiers,the production quality on that album sucks!

I never really noticed that, but if you do compare Frontiers to the other Perry-era albums, it's not nearly as slick. Still a great record though, the production doesn't tarnish it at all.