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Given the fact that Journey seems to constantly change their frontman/lead singer, What if Arnel Pineda is removed/axed from the band in a year's time. I bet Arnel Pineda knows for sure that this opportunity is never a stable/for good one.

What will be your reactions? Will Jeremy be your next chosen lead man?

My reaction would be, it's nothing but more of the same, and if that did happen....it's time to retire.

marco17 wrote: if that did happen....it's time to retire.

Nah, and I've never been one to say this, but what about perry?

journey123 wrote:Given the fact that Journey seems to constantly change their frontman/lead singer, What if Arnel Pineda is removed/axed from the band in a year's time. I bet Arnel Pineda knows for sure that this opportunity is never a stable/for good one.

What will be your reactions? Will Jeremy be your next chosen lead man?

I think people forget that Augeri was in the band for 7 years. Its only been JSS who they got rid of after only a short time period. So its certainly not a constant change.

And, no idea of my reaction yet, it all depends on how good this new album is.

journey123 wrote:Given the fact that Journey seems to constantly change their frontman/lead singer, What if Arnel Pineda is removed/axed from the band in a year's time. I bet Arnel Pineda knows for sure that this opportunity is never a stable/for good one.

What will be your reactions? Will Jeremy be your next chosen lead man?

Are you asking us or are you asking Neal!???

journey123 wrote:Given the fact that Journey seems to constantly change their frontman/lead singer, What if Arnel Pineda is removed/axed from the band in a year's time. I bet Arnel Pineda knows for sure that this opportunity is never a stable/for good one.

What will be your reactions? Will Jeremy be your next chosen lead man?

Holy sheep shit! Do you actually know what you're saying?

I don't know what's more head scratching. The fact that some completely misguided idiots actually accept this band as it stands now or concept that people will actually accept this band *beyond* arnel.

How much of a fool do fans need to be made of, before they actually get it and walk away!

I'm not sure if the OP is on this mindset...so I'm not launching a salvo at him/her....but the fact remains that this is way past ridiculous at this point.

Do you honestly think Jeremey would have anything do do with these losers if they can't keep Arnel under their thumb?

R-I-D-I-C-U-L-O-U-S

I like the music.

Red13JoePa wrote:

marco17 wrote: if that did happen....it's time to retire.

Nah, and I've never been one to say this, but what about perry?

I agree, but if they can't get him now, why would they be able to get him in another year or two? He'd be a couple years older, voice may/may not be as good, etc..etc.. Even if this lineup goes to hell, I think they will keep it private, and ride it as long as possible to try and repair their image with some fans who know the recent history, or Arnel will bail before he's made to look like the bad guy. Like him or not, they certainly tried to make it "work" with Augeri when things weren't going well with the tapes until they were outted, and that was a couple years minimum of covering up his ongoing vocal problems, which I am sure strained relations with some if not all the other members.

marco17 wrote:

Red13JoePa wrote:

marco17 wrote: if that did happen....it's time to retire.

Nah, and I've never been one to say this, but what about perry?

I agree, but if they can't get him now, why would they be able to get him in another year or two? He'd be a couple years older, voice may/may not be as good, etc..etc..

#1 he's had a lot of rest
#2 I think he/they could get him trained up to it
#3 Roth's not the same anymore but it's Van Halen and they're kicking ass anyway.

Red13JoePa wrote:

marco17 wrote:

Red13JoePa wrote:

marco17 wrote: if that did happen....it's time to retire.

Nah, and I've never been one to say this, but what about perry?

I agree, but if they can't get him now, why would they be able to get him in another year or two? He'd be a couple years older, voice may/may not be as good, etc..etc..

#1 he's had a lot of rest
#2 I think he/they could get him trained up to it
#3 Roth's not the same anymore but it's Van Halen and they're kicking ass anyway.

I think you are right though.... if they go through the lead singer roller coaster again, the only way they get anyone to pay attention is to get Perry.

If Arnel is gone in a year, my reaction will be, "Yeah? And...?"

Will it honestly even be a surprise?

ttango1 wrote:When that album goes gold and beyond

Gold? They wish. For one thing, gold isn't that impressive.

Come on, Generations was never even certified gold. And that was after 7 years with SA.
Nothing is going gold here.

Agreed, i cant wait for the album, but i certinaily cant see it being a commercial success. If it is, then i will be very pleased and if it does in some crazy universe go gold ( ) then im sure most Arnel haters will agree that it was in Journeys best interest to go with a vocalist like Arnel. But thats just hypothetical as the album will NOT go gold.

journey123 wrote:Given the fact that Journey seems to constantly change their frontman/lead singer, What if Arnel Pineda is removed/axed from the band in a year's time. I bet Arnel Pineda knows for sure that this opportunity is never a stable/for good one.

What will be your reactions? Will Jeremy be your next chosen lead man?

A year my ass, the ll be callin Jeremey in mid August You can quote me on that

bluejeangirl76 wrote:If Arnel is gone in a year, my reaction will be, "Yeah? And...?"

Will it honestly even be a surprise?

No.

stevew2 wrote:

journey123 wrote:Given the fact that Journey seems to constantly change their frontman/lead singer, What if Arnel Pineda is removed/axed from the band in a year's time. I bet Arnel Pineda knows for sure that this opportunity is never a stable/for good one.

What will be your reactions? Will Jeremy be your next chosen lead man?

A year my ass, the ll be callin Jeremy in mid August You can quote me on that

Doubt it.

stevew2 wrote: A year my ass, the ll be callin Jeremy in mid August You can quote me on that

1.I am quoting you NOW and I will in mid August too!
2.I hope the only reason youre asking us to quote you is because YOU dont know how to quote yourself
3.I dont see what youre suggesting in August happening from either end

youkeepmewaiting wrote:

journey123 wrote:Given the fact that Journey seems to constantly change their frontman/lead singer, What if Arnel Pineda is removed/axed from the band in a year's time. I bet Arnel Pineda knows for sure that this opportunity is never a stable/for good one.

What will be your reactions? Will Jeremy be your next chosen lead man?

I think people forget that Augeri was in the band for 7 years. Its only been JSS who they got rid of after only a short time period. So its certainly not a constant change.

And, no idea of my reaction yet, it all depends on how good this new album is.

Good point, thanks for posting it. Agreed.

youkeepmewaiting wrote:
I think people forget that Augeri was in the band for 7 years. Its only been JSS who they got rid of after only a short time period. So its certainly not a constant change.

True, but they also dumped him in a rather unfavorable fashion, just as they did JSS. So they've been pretty consistant in that area. Therefore, dumping Arnel, be it in 6 months, a year, 2 if he makes it... won't be the least bit shocking.

If Arnel were to be ousted, I'd just say Journey needs to just pack it up and retire, there glory days were 20 to 30 years ago. THere is not a huge market for them anymore. It would just be too sad for them to try to pick up the pieces again, beating a dead horse.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

ttango1 wrote:When that album goes gold and beyond

Gold? They wish. For one thing, gold isn't that impressive.

Actually, nowadays Gold is HUGE! The days of multi-platyinum releases are dwindling FAST!!

bluejeangirl76 wrote:Come on, Generations was never even certified gold. And that was after 7 years with SA.

Well, if you could count all the ticekt/CD sales it likely did. If you don't count those than you DO have to include the "giveaway" into the equation of why the retail sales number was so low...

bluejeangirl76 wrote:Nothing is going gold here.

I do agree with that though. I do not see a gold record for Journey. But they got paid by WalMart so they don't have to care...

For the two yahoo's that seem to think it has only ever been Augeri and Soto that have been replaced, I kindly suggest that you look all the way back to Journey's beginnings. Lest we forget Fleischman, Rolie, or Perry. Not to mention that in the very beginning of this band it was Neal that sang. Granted he was never removed from the band but you are talking about how many singer changes so there ya go.

chf34jmac wrote:For the two yahoo's that seem to think it has only ever been Augeri and Soto that have been replaced, I kindly suggest that you look all the way back to Journey's beginnings. Lest we forget Fleischman, Rolie, or Perry. Not to mention that in the very beginning of this band it was Neal that sang. Granted he was never removed from the band but you are talking about how many singer changes so there ya go.

Yes but the word was "constantly", Perry was 10 years and RF was what? 1976?? i dont know, a long time ago anyway.

chf34jmac wrote:For the two yahoo's that seem to think it has only ever been Augeri and Soto that have been replaced, I kindly suggest that you look all the way back to Journey's beginnings. Lest we forget Fleischman, Rolie, or Perry. Not to mention that in the very beginning of this band it was Neal that sang. Granted he was never removed from the band but you are talking about how many singer changes so there ya go.

Actually, Gregg sang 90% of the stuff in the beginning, Neal only had a couple songs on the NEXT record.

Point being, you guys didn't specify longevity. You just made comment about SA and JSS. You also did not specify whether you were interested in whether or not the were fired, quit, had medical problems, got ass raped to death, died of aids or whatever else.

stevew2 wrote:A year my ass, the ll be callin Jeremey in mid August You can quote me on that

Dude, why do you keep making statements like that? You've already guaranteed that they will be using tapes by mid-August. Both of those are just ridiculous.

jrnyman28 wrote:Well, if you could count all the ticekt/CD sales it likely did. If you don't count those than you DO have to include the "giveaway" into the equation of why the retail sales number was so low...

Well, alright I'll give you that but as to the retailers numbers... I look at it the other way, if the retail #s were better or even if they projected they'd be better, there wouldn't have been a need to give it away. I'll happily stand corrected if I'm missing any details that might apply to that whole free CD business - I got that whole story in pieces since I wasn't really into all that. I didn't even bother listening to Gens until late 06 when I found it for 3.99 (and by the way, I done got hosed).

4everkop wrote:If Arnel were to be ousted, I'd just say Journey needs to just pack it up and retire, there glory days were 20 to 30 years ago. THere is not a huge market for them anymore. It would just be too sad for them to try to pick up the pieces again, beating a dead horse.

The scenario I'd love to see: Arnel Pineda is fantastic, blows the entire world out of the water and tells Friga and Fro exactly where they can shove Journey and becomes a massively successful solo artist.

Just a thought.....

According to the band, the plan for Generations was to do what prince did.

Wrap the cd price into the ticket price and cut the middle man (record co) out.