MR

sounds like everybody is tired of the DD, so whey do the band feel they have to play those songs all the time.
dont they know who they are, a set list will never please everyone.
the only song i have to hear is AWYWI, and maybe stone in love, and from there they could play about anyother 12 songs.
but i would like to hear atleast one song from every 77+ album hell leave off ROR.
what does everyone else feel abut the DD

sniper16 wrote:sounds like everybody is tired of the DD, so whey do the band feel they have to play those songs all the time.
dont they know who they are, a set list will never please everyone.
the only song i have to hear is AWYWI, and maybe stone in love, and from there they could play about anyother 12 songs.
but i would like to hear atleast one song from every 77+ album hell leave off ROR.
what does everyone else feel abut the DD

Well, the 30th anniversary tour was meant to satisfy the hardcore fans who wanted to hear more of the lesser heard gems. I doubt they will ever get away from it again, esp. since they will never have any new hits.

sniper16 wrote:sounds like everybody is tired of the DD, so whey do the band feel they have to play those songs all the time.
dont they know who they are, a set list will never please everyone.
the only song i have to hear is AWYWI, and maybe stone in love, and from there they could play about anyother 12 songs.
but i would like to hear atleast one song from every 77+ album hell leave off ROR.
what does everyone else feel abut the DD

In a live environment I would take any two songs from Raised on Radio over Anyway You Want It and Stone in Love at this point. Just sick of hearing them I guess.

Everyone's going to differ on which of the DD they "need" to hear. For me, it's Faithfully and Escape. I wish they'd leave AWYWI, DSB, and LTS alone for a while. I doubt if I'll be attending anymore shows anyway, but still.

sniper16 wrote:sounds like everybody is tired of the DD, so whey do the band feel they have to play those songs all the time.
dont they know who they are, a set list will never please everyone.
the only song i have to hear is AWYWI, and maybe stone in love, and from there they could play about anyother 12 songs.
but i would like to hear atleast one song from every 77+ album hell leave off ROR.
what does everyone else feel abut the DD

30 years ago infinty came out, focus on that LP... then next year focus on Evolution 30 years release
ESCAPE is OLD and tired---every tour since 98 has focused on that LP

Rick

Journey will NEVER escape "The Dirty Dozen". These guys can go on and record 10 more CD's with Arnel, and it will NEVER change the fact that the name Journey will FOREVER be identified with the soaring vocals of Steve Perry and that era of songs that made this band relevant! The reality is that even if Steve Perry was still their lead singer, most fans are still going to want to hear the signature songs. Even though an artist like Madonna always plays new material (almost exclusively)at her concerts, most of her fans complain that she doesn't play enough of her classic material. Most fans want to hear music that takes them back to a certain time in their lives, and escape reality, for the 2 hours or so that a concert gives them.

John from Boston

Enigma869 wrote:Journey will NEVER escape "The Dirty Dozen". These guys can go on and record 10 more CD's with Arnel, and it will NEVER change the fact that the name Journey will FOREVER be identified with the soaring vocals of Steve Perry and that era of songs that made this band relevant! The reality is that even if Steve Perry was still their lead singer, most fans are still going to want to hear the signature songs. Even though an artist like Madonna always plays new material (almost exclusively)at her concerts, most of her fans complain that she doesn't play enough of her classic material. Most fans want to hear music that takes them back to a certain time in their lives, and escape reality, for the 2 hours or so that a concert gives them.

John from Boston

Agreed. Would Escape be your favorite Journey album?

I don't mind hearing the Dirty Dozen live if they're re-done a bit and added to. Good examples of this are the rocked-out, extended "Wheel in the Sky" and the freeform blues jam before/after "Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'."

I could do without Open Arms for sure... hate it.

Just remember to be careful when you use the term "everybody." Everybody on this board might be well versed enough to appreciate album cuts, but everybody on this board is a microcosm of the Journey fan base which, not unlike most other bands (especially bands with 80s hits), is a casual fan base that would go nuts if Song X of the DD was left out. +1 to getting rid of Open Arms forever. An impressive Perry vocal, no doubt, but a crappy song. Not even a memorable Neal power ballad solo in the song.

So what are the Dirty Dozen anyway...is there a list?

Wheel
DSB
Open Arms
Faithfully
AWYWI
Escape
LTS
Separate Ways
Stone in Love
Whos Cryin Now
Lights
BGTY/ATL?

Of these, if that's them, and I can't pinpoint #12 for sure...you can get away with not playing either of my #12 ones, Whos Cryin Now, Stone, Escape...but you're pretty much stuck with Wheel, DSB, SW, OA, Faithfully and Lights. You dont have a choice.

I'd love it if they could cut it down to that half dozen but I doubt it'll happen.

A good setlist idea for the upcoming tour, assuming there's 20 songs: (Two titles written "Song Title - Song Title" mean they're interchangable to keep a fresh setlist, while "Song Title/Song Title" represent traditional song combos.)

Stone in Love - Message of Love
Escape - Edge of the Blade
Ask the Lonely - Only the Young
I'll Be Alright Without You - When You Love a Woman
The Party's Over (Hopelessly In Love) - If He Should Break Your Heart
Line of Fire - Where Were You [Deen Drum Solo]
Lights/Stay Awhile [Cain Piano Solo]
Faithfully - Open Arms
Be Good to Yourself - Higher Place
Feeling That Way/Anytime
Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin' - Walks Like A Lady [Blues Jam]
Don't Stop Believin'
Somethin' to Hide - Opened the Door
Winds of March - Lady Luck
Daydream - Sweet and Simple
Of a Lifetime - Look into the Future
Kohoutek - Nickel and Dime [Neal Solo]
Wheel in the Sky

ENCORE:

Any Way You Want It
Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)




My setlist is loaded with Greatest Hits and Dirty Dozen stuff, plus there's plenty of minor chart hits and fan favorites. I also slipped in four or five songs for the diehards that would work brilliantly in leading up to a rocked-out Wheel in the Sky climax! I think they should take an approach like I did and alternate a ton of different combos for the setlist and keep things fresh for everyone.

ProgRocker53 wrote:A good setlist idea for the upcoming tour, assuming there's 20 songs: (Two titles written "Song Title - Song Title" mean they're interchangable to keep a fresh setlist, while "Song Title/Song Title" represent traditional song combos.)

Stone in Love - Message of Love
Escape - Edge of the Blade
Ask the Lonely - Only the Young
I'll Be Alright Without You - When You Love a Woman
The Party's Over (Hopelessly In Love) - If He Should Break Your Heart
Line of Fire - Where Were You [Deen Drum Solo]
Lights/Stay Awhile [Cain Piano Solo]
Faithfully - Open Arms
Be Good to Yourself - Higher Place
Feeling That Way/Anytime
Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin' - Walks Like A Lady [Blues Jam]
Don't Stop Believin'
Somethin' to Hide - Opened the Door
Winds of March - Lady Luck
Daydream - Sweet and Simple
Of a Lifetime - Look into the Future
Kohoutek - Nickel and Dime [Neal Solo]
Wheel in the Sky

ENCORE:

Any Way You Want It
Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)




My setlist is loaded with Greatest Hits and Dirty Dozen stuff, plus there's plenty of minor chart hits and fan favorites. I also slipped in four or five songs for the diehards that would work brilliantly in leading up to a rocked-out Wheel in the Sky climax! I think they should take an approach like I did and alternate a ton of different combos for the setlist and keep things fresh for everyone.

Sounds like a great show... like the idea of having three of four TBF tracks. Too bad they'll probably never give us a set like this, although I think Arnel's voice could do quite well on the latter era Perry stuff...

Journey will never be able to avoid playing their GH,however,just like when JSS was aboard,they might add some unexpected gems...maybe "Rubicon","Mother,Father","Something To Hide",WYLAW,"Stay Awile","Edge Of The Blade","Patiently","Still They Ride","Dixie Highway"....well,at least that's what I'd love to hear.
I guess Arnel would be more than capable of doing justice to any song from the catalog,so I don't see why not go for a fresh setlist.

sniper16 wrote:sounds like everybody is tired of the DD, so whey do the band feel they have to play those songs all the time. dont they know who they are, a set list will never please everyone.
the only song i have to hear is AWYWI, and maybe stone in love, and from there they could play about anyother 12 songs.
but i would like to hear atleast one song from every 77+ album hell leave off ROR.
what does everyone else feel abut the DD

The casual fans want to hear the songs they know and the songs they know are the hits. If they want casual fans to return, they have to play the hits.

Journey tried to do the more obscure songs on the last Augeri tour and they got a cool response by the majority of concert goers. I saw people getting up to go to the bathroom, not just when they played new songs from Generations, but even stuff from the Rolie era (the non hits that is).

Shame for us, but I understand it.

Music, like any other art form is subjective. As such, when it comes to commerce, it becomes the truest form of democracy there is. When it comes to opinion about what Journey should play, there is no right or wrong, there's only majority rule$.

that what im talking about, we diehards will complain about not hearing our songs but most people will agree they have about 25 hits to mix up, i would leave out the pre perry or just do 1 each night.i cant take not line of fire if they played where were you instead. just do higher place and switch with to be alive
but above all else please rock out

*Laura wrote:Journey will never be able to avoid playing their GH,however,just like when JSS was aboard,they might add some unexpected gems...maybe "Rubicon","Mother,Father","Something To Hide",WYLAW,"Stay Awile","Edge Of The Blade","Patiently","Still They Ride","Dixie Highway"....well,at least that's what I'd love to hear.
I guess Arnel would be more than capable of doing justice to any song from the catalog,so I don't see why not go for a fresh setlist.

I expect Journey to do that kind of set list on their next tour. But their first tour promoting their new singer on a 3 ticket tour, expect the DD and one or two new songs from the upcoming album and little else.

Wait, scrap that. Didn't Ross say something about no leaks on the new stuff? I wonder if they're just as concerned with youtube recordings of live performances of the new stuff as well? Just in case people don't like what they hear and decide not to buy it when it comes out? If that's the case, expect DD only, with maybe an Augeri era tune here or there.

ProgRocker53 wrote:I don't mind hearing the Dirty Dozen live if they're re-done a bit and added to. Good examples of this are the rocked-out, extended "Wheel in the Sky" and the freeform blues jam before/after "Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin'."

I could do without Open Arms for sure... hate it.

i agree with everything

ProgRocker53 wrote:A good setlist idea for the upcoming tour, assuming there's 20 songs: (Two titles written "Song Title - Song Title" mean they're interchangable to keep a fresh setlist, while "Song Title/Song Title" represent traditional song combos.)

Stone in Love - Message of Love
Escape - Edge of the Blade
Ask the Lonely - Only the Young
I'll Be Alright Without You - When You Love a Woman
The Party's Over (Hopelessly In Love) - If He Should Break Your Heart
Line of Fire - Where Were You [Deen Drum Solo]
Lights/Stay Awhile [Cain Piano Solo]
Faithfully - Open Arms
Be Good to Yourself - Higher Place
Feeling That Way/Anytime
Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin' - Walks Like A Lady [Blues Jam]
Don't Stop Believin'
Somethin' to Hide - Opened the Door
Winds of March - Lady Luck
Daydream - Sweet and Simple
Of a Lifetime - Look into the Future
Kohoutek - Nickel and Dime [Neal Solo]
Wheel in the Sky

ENCORE:

Any Way You Want It
Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)




My setlist is loaded with Greatest Hits and Dirty Dozen stuff, plus there's plenty of minor chart hits and fan favorites. I also slipped in four or five songs for the diehards that would work brilliantly in leading up to a rocked-out Wheel in the Sky climax! I think they should take an approach like I did and alternate a ton of different combos for the setlist and keep things fresh for everyone.

That's a great setlist. I agree, I put together a CD for my car that contains, in order, songs from Infinity all the way to Trial by Fire. It really is good. And if they changed them up once in a while during the tour, that would be awesome. Don't know how well Feeling That way/Anytime would go over without Rollie on vox. I don't think I've ever heard it live without Perry/Rollie combo.

Dirty Dozen? Ofcourse yes. But I'm also hoping for a set list around 20-25 songs long.

texafana wrote:Dirty Dozen? Ofcourse yes. But I'm also hoping for a set list around 20-25 songs long.

If they do that and Azoff throws together one of his grueling touring schedules, I can see Arnel blowing his voice out pretty quick.

journeyrock wrote:

ProgRocker53 wrote:A good setlist idea for the upcoming tour, assuming there's 20 songs: (Two titles written "Song Title - Song Title" mean they're interchangable to keep a fresh setlist, while "Song Title/Song Title" represent traditional song combos.)

Stone in Love - Message of LoveEscape - Edge of the Blade
Ask the Lonely - Only the Young
I'll Be Alright Without You - When You Love a Woman
The Party's Over (Hopelessly In Love) - If He Should Break Your Heart
Line of Fire - Where Were You [Deen Drum Solo]
Lights/Stay Awhile [Cain Piano Solo]
Faithfully - Open Arms
Be Good to Yourself - Higher Place
Feeling That Way/Anytime
Lovin' Touchin' Squeezin' - Walks Like A Lady [Blues Jam]
Don't Stop Believin'
Somethin' to Hide - Opened the Door
Winds of March - Lady Luck
Daydream - Sweet and Simple
Of a Lifetime - Look into the Future
Kohoutek - Nickel and Dime [Neal Solo]
Wheel in the Sky

ENCORE:

Any Way You Want It
Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)




My setlist is loaded with Greatest Hits and Dirty Dozen stuff, plus there's plenty of minor chart hits and fan favorites. I also slipped in four or five songs for the diehards that would work brilliantly in leading up to a rocked-out Wheel in the Sky climax! I think they should take an approach like I did and alternate a ton of different combos for the setlist and keep things fresh for everyone.

That's a great setlist. I agree, I put together a CD for my car that contains, in order, songs from Infinity all the way to Trial by Fire. It really is good. And if they changed them up once in a while during the tour, that would be awesome. Don't know how well Feeling That way/Anytime would go over without Rollie on vox. I don't think I've ever heard it live without Perry/Rollie combo.

Thats a great setlist, BUT they need to make sure they stick some new songs in there.

I've also highlighted the ones i prefer to hear

I go see these guys to hear the greatest hits. I don't give a shit about hearing obscure songs and neither does 95% of the audience. I want to hear the Dirty Dozen and maybe 2 or 3 surprises per show.

i'd love to see this setlist....

1-can do
2-when your alone it ain't easy
3-lady luck
4-la do da
5-opened the door
6-lovin' you is easy
7-someday soon
8-homemade love
9-i'm cryin'
10-lay it down
11-dead or alive
12-troubled child
13-back talk
14-frontiers
15-positive touch
16-it could've been you
17-once you love somebody
18-the eyes of a woman

encore-baby i'm a leavin you

mikemarrs wrote:i'd love to see this setlist....

1-can do
2-when your alone it ain't easy
3-lady luck
4-la do da
5-opened the door
6-lovin' you is easy
7-someday soon
8-homemade love
9-i'm cryin'
10-lay it down
11-dead or alive
12-troubled child
13-back talk
14-frontiers
15-positive touch
16-it could've been you
17-once you love somebody
18-the eyes of a woman

encore-baby i'm a leavin you

I would to hear those ones live.

i forgot 'daydream'

i don't want to hear any dozen nothing.i want to hear all obscure tunes and if i don't i'm going to heckle,shout,scream and make my damn presence known quickly.i'll let yarnell know real fast i want to hear him sing a killer version of 'can do' followed by something off the frontiers album.c'mon whats the fun in it when you already know whats going to happen?

mikemarrs wrote:i'd love to see this setlist....

1-can do
2-when your alone it ain't easy
3-lady luck
4-la do da
5-opened the door
6-lovin' you is easy
7-someday soon
8-homemade love
9-i'm cryin'
10-lay it down
11-dead or alive
12-troubled child
13-back talk
14-frontiers
15-positive touch
16-it could've been you
17-once you love somebody
18-the eyes of a woman

encore-baby i'm a leavin you

That set list would empty the state fair grounds in record time!


John from Boston

I would kill (if federal agencies or law enforcement ever view this thread, I'm only kidding. If not, well...) to hear "If He Should Break Your Heart" live.

Strange Medicine wrote:I would kill (if federal agencies or law enforcement ever view this thread, I'm only kidding. If not, well...) to hear "If He Should Break Your Heart" live.

Probably my favorite TBF tune. You have excellent taste, grasshopper. I though that song demonstrated that one doesn't need to hit operatic notes to to make fantastic music. Great song.

Saint John wrote:

Strange Medicine wrote:I would kill (if federal agencies or law enforcement ever view this thread, I'm only kidding. If not, well...) to hear "If He Should Break Your Heart" live.

Probably my favorite TBF tune. You have excellent taste, grasshopper. I though that song demonstrated that one doesn't need to hit operatic notes to to make fantastic music. Great song.

It is my favorite TBF song. It might very well be my absolute favorite power ballad (though it faces strong competition in the form of "Why Can't This Night Go On Forever"). Though, I'm rare in that I love the entirety of TBF; it's my favorite Journey album and - in my opinion - their most mature and musically complex.