MR

Okay...Here's the deal. The Giants won the Super Bowl, and good for them. What's with all this nonsense I'm hearing now that Eli is now the second coming of John Elway? I don't even think Eli should have won the MVP. I personally would have given the MVP to the Giants D line, who was IMMENSE, and THE REASON the Giants are champions! I just think the media is loaded with dopes! Eli isn't the reason the Giants won the Super Bowl, and anyone who really believes that didn't watch the same game I watched!

Eli is a likeable enough guy, but he isn't the first guy to win ONE Super Bowl! Hell, Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, and Jeff Hostettler have won a single Super Bowl! Let's not forget that this guy still had more turnovers than ANY QB in the NFL this past season! If the guy wins another one of them, I may feel a bit differently about him. It's just RIDICULOUS to turn on ESPN and listen to guys (seriously) debate whether or not Eli has now passed Peyton as a QB! Talk about INSANITY!


John from Boston

Eli beat Garcia, Romo and Favre, then Beat Brady. He then made the greatest play in SB history. Damn right he is the MVP.

This is CLASSIC NY over-reaction/knee-jerk syndrome, Enigma.

Christ almighty, this is the same city that chants "MVP!!" at Cliff Flloyd the second week of April.

This was the tradeoff you get with the Gints breaking the Pats' streak: The insufferability of Big Blue fans when they have success.

Deano, we KNOW Eli deserved mvp, but Johnno's right up in NYC, they're demanding Canton start on his Hall Of Fame bust post-haste.

Same shit with Shockey about 1/4 way through his rookie year. It becomes insufferable.

If the Giants didn't get so much pressure on Brady, the Pats would have won going away. But Eli did play well, and became Tom Brady on that last drive. Actually, he escaped pressure that Brady couldn't have to make that play.

Rockindeano wrote:Eli beat Garcia, Romo and Favre, then Beat Brady. He then made the greatest play in SB history. Damn right he is the MVP.

Sorry Dean...I don't agree! Eli was the QB of the team who beat Garcia (although, I'm not sure why you're even putting Garcia's name into the conversation), Romo (who tanked the season from week 12 on), Favre, and Brady! The Giants won on DEFENSE! Eli definitely played well in the playoffs, and certainly played better in the playoffs than he did during the regular season. It doesn't change the fact that the guy turned the ball over more than ANY QB in the league, during the regular season! I also think that talking about this guy like he's now a better player than his brother is just plain STUPID!

As for the greatest play in Super Bowl history...I would say it was the greatest catch in Super Bowl history. While Eli certainly did a GREAT job to escape what should have been a sack, if you watch the replay...he simply threw the ball up there, and said a prayer as it landed. ALL the credit for that catch goes to David Tyree, who made a REMARKABLE catch, that Harrison very easily could have intercepted or knocked out of the guy's hands, but Tyree simply wanted the ball more than Harrison did!

I don't even have a problem with giving Eli credit. I just think annointing him the next member of the Football Hall of Fame in Canton is VERY premature! I can assure you that when his career is over, and Peyton's career is over, the numbers won't be close, so comparing the two (and again, I'm speaking of the media), just because they're brothers is LUDICROUS!


John from Boston

Enigma869 wrote:Eli is a likeable enough guy, but he isn't the first guy to win ONE Super Bowl! Hell, Trent Dilfer, Doug Williams, Mark Rypien, and Jeff Hostettler have won a single Super Bowl! It's just RIDICULOUS to turn on ESPN and listen to guys (seriously) debate whether or not Eli has now passed Peyton as a QB!

You can add Peyton to that "only won one Super Bowl list"

Eli seems to be building his legacy. An NFL record 11 straight road wins and one of the biggest upsets in SB history after only 4 years in the league.

NealIsGod wrote:But Eli did play well, and became Tom Brady on that last drive. Actually, he escaped pressure that Brady couldn't have to make that play.

I think the sad thing for we Patriots fans is that although Brady didn't have his best game (and how could he with being knocked down TWENTY THREE times), he did his job. His team was losing with under 5 minutes left in the Super Bowl. They couldn't move the ball the entire game, and then he came out with a surgically precise drive and turned into Tom Brady. He got his team the go-ahead TD, but his defense simply didn't do their job! For the complete ass whooping Brady got that entire game, his final drive was pretty remarkable, and quite unexpected (by me). Oh well, training camp should be here, any day now


John from Boston

Shut your trap John.

Put away the jealousy 13.

NIG was right BUT>.........

QB in the NFL is the hardest position to play in sports.

He damned deserved MVP and you know it. The defense kept them in it, but w/o Manning, they don't score, period.

Oh and for the record, I HATE NY sports team worse than anything, including Bush, smelly Euros and Toto.

RedWingFan wrote:You can add Peyton to that "only won one Super Bowl list"

I agree, but, Peyton at least has historical numbers and will own EVERY passing record the NFL has ever seen, by the time his career is over!


John from Boston

Rockindeano wrote:Oh and for the record, I HATE NY sports team worse than anything, including Bush, smelly Euros and Toto.

It's hard keeping track of what you hate.

Rockindeano wrote:Shut your trap John.

Put away the jealousy 13.

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He damned deserved MVP and you know it.

Hey, Clink.
Neither myself nor Enigma's disputing Eli's Supe MVPhood.

What we're doing is poking fun at the typical NY fan beatification of a player as the bastard son of Montana, Marino, Tarkenton, Moon, and Unitas at THIS early stage of his career after a SINGLE great moment, less than 3 months after they were greasing his skids.

I am not a Giants fan, but this is pretty classy of them:

Ernie Accorsi is no longer employed by the N.Y. Giants, but he certainly was treated like a treasured member of the family by the club last week in Arizona, and rightly so.

As the final seconds ticked off the clock this past Sunday night, signalling the Giants stunning 17-14 upset victory over the New England Patriots in Super Bowl XVII, Accorsi, who voluntarily retired a year earlier as the team's general manager, was in tears as he sat in the stadium watching the scene unfold down below.

The classy Giants ownership had paid Accorsi's way out to Phoenix, insisted that he stay in the team hotel and become a member of the team's official party in the days leading up to the Super Bowl. And not long after the game had ended, jubilant club owner John Mara told Accorsi he'd also be getting a Super Bowl ring, even if he no longer was on the payroll.

NealIsGod wrote:I am not a Giants fan, but this is pretty classy of them:

Ernie Accorsi is no longer employed by the N.Y. Giants, but he certainly was treated like a treasured member of the family by the club last week in Arizona, and rightly so.

As the final seconds ticked off the clock this past Sunday night, signalling the Giants stunning 17-14 upset victory over the New England Patriots in Super Bowl XVII, Accorsi, who voluntarily retired a year earlier as the team's general manager, was in tears as he sat in the stadium watching the scene unfold down below.

The classy Giants ownership had paid Accorsi's way out to Phoenix, insisted that he stay in the team hotel and become a member of the team's official party in the days leading up to the Super Bowl. And not long after the game had ended, jubilant club owner John Mara told Accorsi he'd also be getting a Super Bowl ring, even if he no longer was on the payroll.

I agree that this is a VERY classy move by the Jersey Giants! Tiki is somewhere in the world right now saying "Hey, where is my ring"! What an ass that guy is!


John from Boston

NealIsGod wrote:If the Giants didn't get so much pressure on Brady, the Pats would have won going away. But Eli did play well, and became Tom Brady on that last drive. Actually, he escaped pressure that Brady couldn't have to make that play.

manning looked like elway!!!

Enigma869 wrote:Tiki is somewhere in the world right now saying "Hey, where is my ring"! What an ass that guy is!

AS EXPECTED, BARBER CLAIMS CREDIT FOR GIANTS WIN

We recently observed -- half-jokingly -- that former Giants running back Tiki Barber would find a way to claim credit for his old team's victory in Super Bowl XLII.

And our sort-of joke ended up being sort of right.

Though the article reads like it's the idea of William C. Rhoden of the New York Times and that Tiki is only partially agreeing, the gist of the item is obvious -- his departure and ensuing criticism of men like coach Tom Coughlin and quarterback Eli Manning helped the team get to a level that it never was able to achieve with Tiki on the team.

Rhoden launches into his theory with this: "Retiring star players often set the foundation for future success."

Huh? We've been following sports for a long time now, and we can't think of many dynasties that were launched because a key player left. In fact, the only situation we can think of was Don Mattingly leaving the Yankees a year too early, but we can't recall anyone suggesting that his departure actually helped the team get over the top.

Then Rhoden says this: "Barber laid the foundation for what happened this season, from taking on Coughlin, to challenging Manning to step up, to tutoring Brandon Jacobs."

Said Barber, when asked about it by Rhoden: "[E]ven criticizing someone is a way of getting them to think about themselves." As to whether his criticism of Eli Manning was helpful, Barber said, "In this case, it made him stand up and I guess become aware."

We agree with Barber, but it's important to remember that he didn't do what he did to help the team win. Every action he took and word that he spoke was an act of selfishness, and the fact that it had a positive effect on the team was coincidental, and ironic.

What's not ironic is Barber's decision to turn the attention back to himself. That's his normal approach, and he's happy for the spotlight, even when being in it by all rights should be an embarrassment.