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of Journey including any Augeri era songs on this tour? Higher Place, Remember me, Faith in the heartland, etc. I hope so.

I hope so as well- you listed just a few of the many great songs Journey had with Augeri. One source of hope is that they now have a singer who can sing about anything. Whether they branch out enough from the "dirty dozen" is another though, as they have been earning their living since 98' off Perry's "dirty dozen" and they have shown no desire to branch out from that.

But we'll keep hope alive!

journeyinto2001 wrote:I hope so as well- you listed just a few of the many great songs Journey had with Augeri. One source of hope is that they now have a singer who can sing about anything. Whether they branch out enough from the "dirty dozen" is another though, as they have been earning their living since 98' off Perry's "dirty dozen" and they have shown no desire to branch out from that.

But we'll keep hope alive!

That's all these clowns are banking on now...sure there album will be out so they can show off there new guy and have a so called reason to tour ...but in the end the album will crash and burn and they'll go on playing there dity dozen till they retire....I wonder if neal has his AARP card yet?

journeyinto2001 wrote: Whether they branch out enough from the "dirty dozen" is another though, as they have been earning their living since 98' off Perry's "dirty dozen" and they have shown no desire to branch out from that.

No, they haven't. They have to realize there's not much point - they didn't have any commercial success after '98 and there aren't enough people in the crowds they're gathering now that can even name those albums much less know the songs. The casuals far outnumber the die-hards. They're playing to the majority and the majority doesn't know "Higher Place" from a hole in the ground. Those people are standing there at the show thinking "When they gonna play 'Small Town Girl'?" If you pack a 15,000 seat venue, I venture not even 1/3 of them would know the post-98 material and that's a generous guess. The money is in the old stuff... why else would they go so far out of their way to get a faux-Perry? If it wasn't about clinging to the old stuff, they would have kept JSS.

Go ahead... crucify me for that. I'm ready.

WTF do people insist on Arnel being a Perry clone?

a) He doesn't even come close visually.
b) He doesn't sound even close to Perry when he sings.
c) He has an obvious home land accent.

The only thing he can do is sing the songs in a similar tone to Steve Perry. They could have gone the "clone" way and hired Jeremey (who is prolly the best Steve Perry impersonator I've ever heard) but they chose not to.

I don't see Arnel even remotely close as a Perry clone visually or sonically.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

journeyinto2001 wrote: Whether they branch out enough from the "dirty dozen" is another though, as they have been earning their living since 98' off Perry's "dirty dozen" and they have shown no desire to branch out from that.

No, they haven't. They have to realize there's not much point - they didn't have any commercial success after '98 and there aren't enough people in the crowds they're gathering now that can even name those albums much less know the songs. The casuals far outnumber the die-hards. They're playing to the majority and the majority doesn't know "Higher Place" from a hole in the ground. Those people are standing there at the show thinking "When they gonna play 'Small Town Girl'?" If you pack a 15,000 seat venue, I venture not even 1/3 of them would know the post-98 material and that's a generous guess. The money is in the old stuff... why else would they go so far out of their way to get a faux-Perry? If it wasn't about clinging to the old stuff, they would have kept JSS.

Go ahead... crucify me for that. I'm ready.

I cant see why anyone would crucify you for that post! A very valid point. But you have to remember they will play a lot of obscure songs(not for real Journey fans) from the Perry era and lets face it-the majority of the crowd will only know DSB, Separate ways, LTS, wheels,etc. Very few will really recognize escape, edge of the blade, or rubicon. So unless Neal is gonna pretend the Augeri era never happened then it would be good for the fans to throw some stuff in.

texafana wrote:WTF do people insist on Arnel being a Perry clone?

a) He doesn't even come close visually.
b) He doesn't sound even close to Perry when he sings.
c) He has an obvious home land accent.

The only thing he can do is sing the songs in a similar tone to Steve Perry. They could have gone the "clone" way and hired Jeremey (who is prolly the best Steve Perry impersonator I've ever heard) but they chose not to.

I don't see Arnel even remotely close as a Perry clone visually or sonically.

this topic isnt about a SP clone. It isnt about Arnels looks, Perry voice, or origin. Its a question about songs played live. BTW-THIS IS MY 1000th POST!!!!!!

journeyinto2001 wrote: they have been earning their living since 98' off Perry's "dirty dozen"

The "Dirty Dozen" belongs to Journey, not Perry. And if anyone ever compromised the integrity of shows it was Perry by making them play Oh Sherrie, Captured By The Moment, Strung Out and other assorted songs when those were clearly not Journey songs. I'm sure the band felt real good about that. But hey, it's ok, Perry "never felt like a part of the band." Now I can see why.

texafana wrote:WTF do people insist on Arnel being a Perry clone?

a) He doesn't even come close visually.
b) He doesn't sound even close to Perry when he sings.
c) He has an obvious home land accent.

The only thing he can do is sing the songs in a similar tone to Steve Perry. They could have gone the "clone" way and hired Jeremey (who is prolly the best Steve Perry impersonator I've ever heard) but they chose not to.

I don't see Arnel even remotely close as a Perry clone visually or sonically.

Good God, this post takes the cake!
Why do you honestly think Arnel got this gig?
Because he sings good?
No... Friga and Co. wanted to get back to, and I quote,
"Our Legacy Sound" aka "the Perry years".
Arnel got this job because he does pull off a pretty darned
good Perry-impersonation abeit the annoying "homeland accent".

I am starting to like our little "Rudy" but get real.
he was hired for one reason and one reason only
and it wasn't his awesome song writing skills...

Saint John wrote:

journeyinto2001 wrote: they have been earning their living since 98' off Perry's "dirty dozen"

The "Dirty Dozen" belongs to Journey, not Perry. And if anyone ever compromised the integrity of shows it was Perry by making them play Oh Sherrie, Captured By The Moment, Strung Out and other assorted songs when those were clearly not Journey songs. I'm sure the band felt real good about that. But hey, it's ok, Perry "never felt like a part of the band." Now I can see why.

Easy, Jaun Santo.
Schon had them playing that Schon&Hammer ditty back in the day as well,
not to mention hamming it up on recent tours with his Hendrix number when they
coulda been playing some cool deep tracks from some of their earlier albums

ScarabGator wrote:But you have to remember they will play a lot of obscure songs(not for real Journey fans) from the Perry era and lets face it-the majority of the crowd will only know DSB, Separate ways, LTS, wheels,etc. Very few will really recognize escape, edge of the blade, or rubicon. So unless Neal is gonna pretend the Augeri era never happened then it would be good for the fans to throw some stuff in.

Hmm. Interesting. And good point.
If I had to get inside their heads ( ) and figure out why these are included over the Augeri stuff, the reason I come up with (and this is not to say I'm right...) is that Escape and Frontiers were their 2 biggest sellers back in the day, so many (not most, but many) of the die-hard-turned-casuals will remember those, having spun those albums repeatedly in the early 80s.

I love Higher Place, but the few times I heard it live it sucked. There is even a video with Neal pissed off about the sound. As much as I love this song it should stay in the studio. As far as other Augeri songs, most of here would like to see that unfortunately this is the part of the show where the crowd sits down, takes a bathroom break or gets a beer run.

Saint John wrote:

journeyinto2001 wrote: they have been earning their living since 98' off Perry's "dirty dozen"

The "Dirty Dozen" belongs to Journey, not Perry. And if anyone ever compromised the integrity of shows it was Perry by making them play Oh Sherrie, Captured By The Moment, Strung Out and other assorted songs when those were clearly not Journey songs. I'm sure the band felt real good about that. But hey, it's ok, Perry "never felt like a part of the band." Now I can see why.

While I wholeheartedly concur with this, I must admit to loving the Journey live Strung Out.

To another point, Higher Place, like AWYWI, always falls flat live.

ScarabGator wrote:of Journey including any Augeri era songs on this tour?

Funny thing to me is that a lot of people have been asking this same question since 2002.

journeyinto2001 wrote:I hope so as well- you listed just a few of the many great songs Journey had with Augeri. One source of hope is that they now have a singer who can sing about anything. Whether they branch out enough from the "dirty dozen" is another though, as they have been earning their living since 98' off Perry's "dirty dozen" and they have shown no desire to branch out from that.

But we'll keep hope alive!

why do you loons keep refering to the dirty dozen as perry songs, get out your latest copy of the cd, open the cover, unless they are stuck together, and see who wrote those songs, im pretty sure it wont say
all songs by steve perry
all instruments by steve perry.
you all act like neals guitar has nothing to do with those songs, or jon cain didnt write or play keyboards.

sniper16 wrote:why do you loons keep refering to the dirty dozen as perry songs, get out your latest copy of the cd, open the cover, unless they are stuck together, and see who wrote those songs, im pretty sure it wont say
all songs by steve perry
all instruments by steve perry.
you all act like neals guitar has nothing to do with those songs, or jon cain didnt write or play keyboards.

No, we all know that Cain and Schon wrote/played on all of these songs.
But these songs are, in fact, "Perry" songs as opposed to Augeri-era songs and
Rolie-sung songs. We "loons" have gotten tired of sitting thru basically the same
live sets for the past 10 years and wonder why these guys won't take a fucking chance
and showcase their cool deep tracks from the classics or some of the awesome material
that was on Arrival and, gulp, Generations (At least FITH and Never Too Late).

Never Too Late's a little overrated.

Get Augeri to teach Pineada how to sing Out Of Harm's Way.

I don't understand why they wouldn't play any Augeri era songs. If it's the case of the band "trying to forget about the times after Perry" and "the band not producing any godly material post Perry" then why did they play Augeri songs when Soto took the helm last year? I believe he sung Remember Me and Higher Place.

There were plenty of shows in the Augeri Era where they would play their music even from the 70's...yes the 70's...before they became big, and way before Perry had anything to contribute. Why doesn't the same thing apply to that?

Journey understands that playing the dirty dozen is what the majority of the hardcore and casual fans want to see. But, you got to remember, I'm sure there are thousands of people there that aren't like you, and that do enjoy the 70's and 00's style of music. They are aware of this and I believe they would try to add in the variety of their Generational hits.

Besides, the band IS called Journey, and it IS a Journey concert. They can play whatever the hell they want, either if it is in their garage playing for the neighborhood, OR in Las Vegas playing for some multi thousand fans.

YoungJRNY wrote: Besides, the band IS called Journey, and it IS a Journey concert. They can play whatever the hell they want, either if it is in their garage playing for the neighborhood, OR in Las Vegas playing for some multi thousand fans.

Exactly.
I can't these excuses of "Well, when we play this song, folks run to the beer tents!"
Big Fuckin' Deal. Fuckin' grow a pair!
You already got people in the seats and their tickets purchased.
they ain't getting refunds because you played a song they didn't like.
And hell, maybe 50 drunks stumble out to the beer tents when you rip into
Higher Place, M/F, City of the Angels, Winds of March, FTITH, Harm's Way or To Be Alive Again
but maye, just MAYBE, 50 other folks will go, "DAMN! That song kicked ass! I gotta add that album to
my collection!"

i know they have to play the big songs, but they have so many great songs, they could rotate 10 or 12 in and out and keep the elite 8 in each show.ps we liked hearing dont fight it and no more lies back in the day live.neal should bring it back for us fans that likeit, and everyone else cant go get a beer.

You guys think Neal still reads this board periodically? If so maybe he'll see the fans requests for these songs and maybe a bunch of others that hadnt been included live in a while?

No way. Anything outside the DD will be a stretch.
Remember, they'll "only have <x-amount> minutes" each night.
While true...it's a cop-out.


later~

Carlitto H@kk wrote:
And hell, maybe 50 drunks stumble out to the beer tents when you rip into
Higher Place, M/F, City of the Angels, Winds of March, FTITH, Harm's Way or To Be Alive Again
but maye, just MAYBE, 50 other folks will go, "DAMN! That song kicked ass! I gotta add that album to
my collection!"

Would have loved to see Deen do M/F, the youtube video kicks ass! Hope Deen can continue doing a song every now and then. If Arnel can do City of the Angels he definitely would earn his stripes.

ScarabGator wrote:

texafana wrote:WTF do people insist on Arnel being a Perry clone?

a) He doesn't even come close visually.
b) He doesn't sound even close to Perry when he sings.
c) He has an obvious home land accent.

The only thing he can do is sing the songs in a similar tone to Steve Perry. They could have gone the "clone" way and hired Jeremey (who is prolly the best Steve Perry impersonator I've ever heard) but they chose not to.

I don't see Arnel even remotely close as a Perry clone visually or sonically.

this topic isnt about a SP clone. It isnt about Arnels looks, Perry voice, or origin. Its a question about songs played live. BTW-THIS IS MY 1000th POST!!!!!!

Congrats!!! I find it rather addicting, myself - in a fun way!

I'd say very little chance. I'd like to hear TPIYH live but I'm sure I wont.

Did Jeff ever sing "Higher Place" live at any concerts ?

PennyA wrote:Did Jeff ever sing "Higher Place" live at any concerts ?

Yes, It was once posted on this site as a bootleg, audio only..and some parts were chopped up. I can't remember if it was AR who posed it or not, but to answer your question, yes he sung Higher Place during last years tour.

Anybody have it to post on here?

YoungJRNY wrote:

PennyA wrote:Did Jeff ever sing "Higher Place" live at any concerts ?

Yes, It was once posted on this site as a bootleg, audio only..and some parts were chopped up. I can't remember if it was AR who posed it or not, but to answer your question, yes he sung Higher Place during last years tour.

Anybody have it to post on here?

It does skip in a couple spots but...
Here you go...Jeff and Deen
Higher Place ~ Newcastle '07
http://download.yousendit.com/7A003418254A6104

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I was all in favor of JSS tackling Augeri-era tunes, but with a new album completed and looming on the horizon, this lineup would be better served by playing brand new material along with the hits. If anything, maybe they can throw in 'Higher Place'.

Anyone like "Beyond the Clouds"? I think that's classic Journey.