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This sounds like he is still singing in the escape vocal register in 83. I guess he did alter his voice for Frontiers to shave down the high notes.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Axk-KFNcjwk

boy were they hot !

btw.. notice the deep background vocal?

SP was the fucking man and the DICTION was perfect! I can understand EVERY word that he sang,

(sigh), that voice could make any grown woman cry

Maybe a couple of men, too.

dcvader wrote:SP was the fucking man and the DICTION was perfect! I can understand EVERY word that he sang,

That's my major concern about AP, as loud and as good people may think he is. What he doesn't have and , is the vocal delivery and pronunciation and the tone quality Perry has, Perry is a much much stronger vocalist in every way, as it is clearly demonstrated in the footage. AP is a decent singer and I do enjoy the new lineup, but it's not the same. Steve Perry is a legend.

Perry was the best singer this band ever had, and ever will have - period, it's a fools argument to think otherwise.

dcvader wrote:SP was the fucking man and the DICTION was perfect! I can understand EVERY word that he sang,

There are other great singers that you could not necessarily understand every word.

conversationpc wrote:There are other great singers that you could not necessarily understand every word.

Vedder in just about every Pearl Jam song
Mick Jagger singing "Jumping Jack Flash"

Vladan wrote:

dcvader wrote:SP was the fucking man and the DICTION was perfect! I can understand EVERY word that he sang,

That's my major concern about AP, as loud and as good people may think he is. What he doesn't have and , is the vocal delivery and pronunciation and the tone quality Perry has, Perry is a much much stronger vocalist in every way, as it is clearly demonstrated in the footage. AP is a decent singer and I do enjoy the new lineup, but it's not the same. Steve Perry is a legend.

Perry was the best singer this band ever had, and ever will have - period, it's a fools argument to think otherwise.

ya... but Perry's (take yer pic):

Toast
Melba-Toast
Crispy
Retired
Going in the studio to see where its at
Never coming back
Not able to sing again
Not interested
Still pissed enough to not even sing on his own


Its not supposed to be the SAME.. it never can be the SAME... if it was the SAME it would be Perry...... or Perry and Rollie... or Rollie and Ansley without Perry... or Fleishman and Rollie and Ansley......

... living in the past isn't living.....

slucero wrote:... living in the past isn't living.....

Very true motto...
Someone needs to pass that on to Schon & Cain

slucero wrote:

Vladan wrote:

dcvader wrote:SP was the fucking man and the DICTION was perfect! I can understand EVERY word that he sang,

That's my major concern about AP, as loud and as good people may think he is. What he doesn't have and , is the vocal delivery and pronunciation and the tone quality Perry has, Perry is a much much stronger vocalist in every way, as it is clearly demonstrated in the footage. AP is a decent singer and I do enjoy the new lineup, but it's not the same. Steve Perry is a legend.

Perry was the best singer this band ever had, and ever will have - period, it's a fools argument to think otherwise.

ya... but Perry's (take yer pic):

Toast
Melba-Toast
Crispy
Retired
Going in the studio to see where its at
Never coming back
Not able to sing again
Not interested
Still pissed enough to not even sing on his own


Its not supposed to be the SAME.. it never can be the SAME... if it was the SAME it would be Perry...... or Perry and Rollie... or Rollie and Ansley without Perry... or Fleishman and Rollie and Ansley......

... living in the past isn't living.....

Very true...

Gunbot wrote:This sounds like he is still singing in the escape vocal register in 83. I guess he did alter his voice for Frontiers to shave down the high notes.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Axk-KFNcjwk

Listen to shows at the END of the Frontiers tour. The band plays everything double time so that Steve doesn't have to use his voice as much, which is a common live trick. To me, the end of the Frontiers tour was not great for Journey. They rushed EVERYTHING and you could tell Steve was having problems when compared to the previous tours. Still the greatest singer, but the change in his voice was more than apparent. I THINK this Japan show was from the beginning of the tour. I remember that when I saw them in Tacoma that year (with Bryan Adams), they had JUST come from Japan and I think Tacoma was their first or second show in the states. I remember seeing him in Tacoma and while he was good, he was VERY subdued compared to that last time I'd seen him (Escape tour- Seattle).

This particular show (Osaka) is really a good one. I've got the video somewhere and Perry has a G R E A T night vocally. One of his most consistent shows from the Frontiers tour. At this point, Steve could still hit notes only a dog could hear, but somewhere near the end of this tour and during the ROR tour, something definitely changed for him vocally. I remember hearing stories of coke use (which I have no idea if they're true or not) and THAT would definitely screw up a singer's voice as would smoking (which Perry did), as would over use, as would STRESS. Steve had major stress because the Frontiers tour was stressful for the band and then going into ROR, his mom was passing away. Singing with stress can mess up a singer big time.

I remember seeing the tour schedule for Escape and Frontiers and there were SO many consecutive dates. It's a wonder Perry can even speak these days.

This is a great clip.

Carlitto H@kk wrote:

conversationpc wrote:There are other great singers that you could not necessarily understand every word.

Vedder in just about every Pearl Jam song
Mick Jagger singing "Jumping Jack Flash"

"Vedder" and "Great Singer" should never be used in the same sentence. That guy is shit as a singer.
"Jagger" is no great singer either.

slucero wrote:

Vladan wrote:

dcvader wrote:SP was the fucking man and the DICTION was perfect! I can understand EVERY word that he sang,

That's my major concern about AP, as loud and as good people may think he is. What he doesn't have and , is the vocal delivery and pronunciation and the tone quality Perry has, Perry is a much much stronger vocalist in every way, as it is clearly demonstrated in the footage. AP is a decent singer and I do enjoy the new lineup, but it's not the same. Steve Perry is a legend.

Perry was the best singer this band ever had, and ever will have - period, it's a fools argument to think otherwise.

ya... but Perry's (take yer pic):

Toast
Melba-Toast
Crispy
Retired
Going in the studio to see where its at
Never coming back
Not able to sing again
Not interested
Still pissed enough to not even sing on his own


Its not supposed to be the SAME.. it never can be the SAME... if it was the SAME it would be Perry...... or Perry and Rollie... or Rollie and Ansley without Perry... or Fleishman and Rollie and Ansley......

... living in the past isn't living.....

GREAT POST.


Speaking of clips, Check out what a dork Cain is in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JNO6a8ra2E&NR=1

I'm hard on Cain. Not sure why. I think it was that Herbie Herbert interview.[/url]

OK, so if its not meant to be same, why are they trying so hard to re-capture the same sound, hence hiring a Arnel Pineda. If they don't try to be same as they were, nobody including yourself will give two shits about this band, period. Journey was irrelevant before Perry joined the band, nobody gave a damn about this band when they first started out, apart from a handful of locals.

Regardless why Perry isn't with this band, it is probably the smartest move he could make, the guy is pushing 60 years old - why would he want to be running around singing prom songs thinking he's young again - he's moved on, and grew up. In the music industry and worldwide, people have more respect for Steve Perry as a vocalist and what he did for the band, than they do for the current lineup. If this bands is not the same in anyway shape or form, we wouldn't be here. Steve Perry was the biggest contribution to why this band is on the map - don't disrespect the soul of Journey.

Carlitto H@kk wrote:

slucero wrote:... living in the past isn't living.....

Very true motto...
Someone needs to pass that on to Schon & Cain

Yeah no shit, it's down right stupid to think they are moving forward, they have been living in Perry's shadow ever since. I don't think this is even worth arguing about, because the facts speak for themselves. Bye

I was under the impression that Perry never smoked - heard it in an interview, I believe.

Although living in the past is not living, remembering the past makes one live again.......

what an absolute perfect, God given VOICE.....

mistiejourney wrote:I was under the impression that Perry never smoked - heard it in an interview, I believe.

I was under the impression that he loved smoking weed and wanted it legalized.. That might have changed his voice right there!

Journey69 wrote:

mistiejourney wrote:I was under the impression that Perry never smoked - heard it in an interview, I believe.

I was under the impression that he loved smoking weed and wanted it legalized.. That might have changed his voice right there!

I have seen a picture of Perry wearing a NORML t-shirt.... hmm.

Journey69 wrote:

mistiejourney wrote:I was under the impression that Perry never smoked - heard it in an interview, I believe.

I was under the impression that he loved smoking weed and wanted it legalized.. That might have changed his voice right there!

Be careful with Perry accusations. That guy deserves respect.

Rockindeano wrote:

Journey69 wrote:

mistiejourney wrote:I was under the impression that Perry never smoked - heard it in an interview, I believe.

I was under the impression that he loved smoking weed and wanted it legalized.. That might have changed his voice right there!

Be careful with Perry accusations. That guy deserves respect.

Indeed he does, but even if he did groove on fumes, I'd still respect him just the same. Love the dude.

Well, if we can't find an iota of dust around Espee, I do believe the guy gets a huge pass, don't you?

the talk of coke has been around forever.
He DID smoke pot for a time. I was mistaken about tobacco (I double checked some interviews, sorry!).
Still, the guy's voice did get messed up and it's apparent to anyone listening.
As far as a free pass, I don't agree. Perry was guilty of a lot of stuff within the band including keeping them in limbo for years and then ducking the tbf tour resulting in him being sacked by S&C. He also was responsible for sacking Smith. Valory... to me has always been just a bass player, but Smith... man, he was a consummate musician and as a player shouldn't have been allowed to be fired. Maybe there were other issues with Smith, but I doubt it. Perry made some mistakes with Journey, but he also was responsible for 75% of their success. I love the guy and his talent, but he does shoulder a lot of the blame for the demise of Journey.

Good read for singers:
http://steveperryfanclub.homestead.com/StevePerryLeadVocalistOfJourney.html

brywool wrote:As far as a free pass, I don't agree. Perry was guilty of a lot of stuff within the band including keeping them in limbo for years and then ducking the tbf tour resulting in him being sacked by S&C. He also was responsible for sacking Smith. Valory... to me has always been just a bass player, but Smith... man, he was a consummate musician and as a player shouldn't have been allowed to be fired. Maybe there were other issues with Smith, but I doubt it. Perry made some mistakes with Journey, but he also was responsible for 75% of their success. I love the guy and his talent, but he does shoulder a lot of the blame for the demise of Journey.

Good read for singers:
http://steveperryfanclub.homestead.com/StevePerryLeadVocalistOfJourney.html

I absolutely agree with you re: Perry, and thanks for the link to the interview! I had never seen that one, and it's eerie to read it now, knowing everything that has transpired since 1980.

Vladan wrote:OK, so if its not meant to be same, why are they trying so hard to re-capture the same sound, hence hiring a Arnel Pineda. If they don't try to be same as they were, nobody including yourself will give two shits about this band, period. Journey was irrelevant before Perry joined the band, nobody gave a damn about this band when they first started out, apart from a handful of locals.

Regardless why Perry isn't with this band, it is probably the smartest move he could make, the guy is pushing 60 years old - why would he want to be running around singing prom songs thinking he's young again - he's moved on, and grew up. In the music industry and worldwide, people have more respect for Steve Perry as a vocalist and what he did for the band, than they do for the current lineup. If this bands is not the same in anyway shape or form, we wouldn't be here. Steve Perry was the biggest contribution to why this band is on the map - don't disrespect the soul of Journey.

Carlitto H@kk wrote:

slucero wrote:... living in the past isn't living.....

Very true motto...
Someone needs to pass that on to Schon & Cain

Yeah no shit, it's down right stupid to think they are moving forward, they have been living in Perry's shadow ever since. I don't think this is even worth arguing about, because the facts speak for themselves. Bye

Vlad… calling those who happen to like this version of the band “stupid” really isn’t nice… and I’m not arguing with ya… but the “facts” as you call it are obvious…

FACT: Perry is gone…. (as I’ve already stated)

FACT: The classics being re-recorded as part of the Walmart deal... its what Walmart wanted..

As far as "why" re-record the classics...Look at it this way.... (at least I do)

The older fans (those who happened to fall in love with the band in its Perry or earlier years) got to enjoy those great songs when they 1st came out.. and we also got to see them performed live. We had the opportunity to pay homage to the fellas as they were our musical heroes from that time in our lives... and we will always have our version of these songs... just like we had our 69' Camaros', Boss 302 Mustangs', and Dodge Challengers'. Those classic cars live on... yet have been revised & updated for the current time, and a different generation. The re-recorded songs, just like those classic muscle cars, will never be as good as the originals... we all know that.

But thats STILL no reason to deny this generation this classic music... revised & updated like those classic cars have been.

They've also recorded new material, that we’ve been told is "phenomenal". Kevin Shirley has no reason to "pump" it.. but his track record as a producer is pretty much second to none... for Pete's sake.. he was the engineer for Zeps movie "the Song Remains the Same"... they guy pretty much knows what "good" is. Also – if you look in the discography section http://www.cavemanproductions.com/discogplus.html of Shirtleys’ website, it shows “Columbia” as the label for this album…. Sorta interesting to think that Journey may be finally getting label support, in conjunction with the Walmart deal…. Sorta portends some big marketing push… which would only happen if the new material was amazing.


Think about it... if this new set of recordings do well just at Walmart, who are now the NUMBER ONE music retailer... all those kids who hear it will also have the opportunity to discover the back-catalog... which is money in all the band members pocket... including Perry. If Perry was really that upset about it, wouldn't we already have heard about the lawsuits?

I think its only right that THIS generation, SO STARVED for good music, deserves the same chance... with the re-recorded classics and the new stuff, they get something they can call "their own", and can identify with... IT would be pretty cool for them to embrace and make Journey their band... and then be able to go see and pay homage to their musical heroes, the same way we did when we were their age....

slucero wrote:
Vlad… calling those who happen to like this version of the band “stupid” really isn’t nice… and I’m not arguing with ya… but the “facts” as you call it are obvious…
.

Hi slucero, you are right, I was out of line - I'm sure your not an idiot, and it looking back at the post of mine, it was pretty stupid on my behalf and I am embarrassed. Sorry mate - I've seen you around the board a bit, I really need to start thinking a bit more before I post. I certainly do not think your a stupid person, and it would be ignorant think you are, for all I know you could be Steve Perry, or a scientist. I guess you never know who your really talking to on here.

Peace mate.

Vladan wrote:

slucero wrote:
Vlad… calling those who happen to like this version of the band “stupid” really isn’t nice… and I’m not arguing with ya… but the “facts” as you call it are obvious…
.

Hi slucero, you are right, I was out of line - I'm sure your not an idiot, and it looking back at the post of mine, it was pretty stupid on my behalf and I am embarrassed. Sorry mate - I've seen you around the board a bit, I really need to start thinking a bit more before I post. I certainly do not think your a stupid person, and it would be ignorant think you are, for all I know you could be Steve Perry, or a scientist. I guess you never know who your really talking to on here.

Peace mate.

Steve Perry wrote:You have to be very self-disciplined. It is easy to parallel your lifestyle to an athlete's. I think perhaps the vocalist has more of a physical cross to bear than any other musician.

Yes, a guitarist can be sick with the flu and go out and play. The singer can't go out and buy a new voice or strings. You have the voice you came with and that is all you are going to get. Of course, there are kinds of surgery these days, you will never be the same, though. You are better off keeping what you have, and making sure you have it for a while. That takes discipline and it is frustrating. I enjoy going out partying and drinking with the guys as much as anybody. There are times I just have to go out and have a good time.

Yup ~ allllll of the above....MAN it sucks sometimes to do this job!

Wrong. Journey does not need a re-recorded hits package. It is a pure crap move, entirely motivated by greed. Period.

7 Wishes wrote:Wrong. Journey does not need a re-recorded hits package. It is a pure crap move, entirely motivated by greed. Period.

C'mon 7, thats too easy an answer.... money is ALWAYS part of the equation... Especially at this level.....The re-mastering of Journey songs ( and the Houston video) by Perry was motivated by greed. Perry wasn't sitting at home pettin' his cat when he suddenly thought that would be a "nice thing he could do for the fans"...

I can't imagine Walmart doing this out of the "goodness of their heart".

Is it "wrong" because:

It's what Walmart required for the deal?
Because it gives the band access to the No. 1 music retailer?
Because it give the band the ability to market their new material in a huge way?
Because it helps them get Columbia back in the fold?


What you've stated is simply your "opinion", which you are entitled to. But thats all it is... period.

Vlad… calling those who happen to like this version of the band “stupid” really isn’t nice… and I’m not arguing with ya… but the “facts” as you call it are obvious…

FACT: Perry is gone…. (as I’ve already stated)

FACT: The classics being re-recorded as part of the Walmart deal... its what Walmart wanted..

As far as "why" re-record the classics...Look at it this way.... (at least I do)

The older fans (those who happened to fall in love with the band in its Perry or earlier years) got to enjoy those great songs when they 1st came out.. and we also got to see them performed live. We had the opportunity to pay homage to the fellas as they were our musical heroes from that time in our lives... and we will always have our version of these songs... just like we had our 69' Camaros', Boss 302 Mustangs', and Dodge Challengers'. Those classic cars live on... yet have been revised & updated for the current time, and a different generation. The re-recorded songs, just like those classic muscle cars, will never be as good as the originals... we all know that.

But thats STILL no reason to deny this generation this classic music... revised & updated like those classic cars have been.

They've also recorded new material, that we’ve been told is "phenomenal". Kevin Shirley has no reason to "pump" it.. but his track record as a producer is pretty much second to none... for Pete's sake.. he was the engineer for Zeps movie "the Song Remains the Same"... they guy pretty much knows what "good" is. Also – if you look in the discography section http://www.cavemanproductions.com/discogplus.html of Shirtleys’ website, it shows “Columbia” as the label for this album…. Sorta interesting to think that Journey may be finally getting label support, in conjunction with the Walmart deal…. Sorta portends some big marketing push… which would only happen if the new material was amazing.


Think about it... if this new set of recordings do well just at Walmart, who are now the NUMBER ONE music retailer... all those kids who hear it will also have the opportunity to discover the back-catalog... which is money in all the band members pocket... including Perry. If Perry was really that upset about it, wouldn't we already have heard about the lawsuits?

I think its only right that THIS generation, SO STARVED for good music, deserves the same chance... with the re-recorded classics and the new stuff, they get something they can call "their own", and can identify with... IT would be pretty cool for them to embrace and make Journey their band... and then be able to go see and pay homage to their musical heroes, the same way we did when we were their age....

I'm a part of "THIS" generation, and I was SO STARVED for good music several years ago, that I discovered Journey.

I was so starved for good music, a year later, I discovered MelodicRock.com. From there I purchased albums by JSS, Talisman, Hardline, Tyketto, Tall Stories, Bad English, Toto, Winger, Seventh Key, Harem Scarem, and many more. Keep in mind at this point, I'm a senior in high school, and everyone else around me is listening to My Chemical Romance and Fall Out Boy.

I'm so starved for good music, I'm following up on these initial discoveries to this day, delving through these great bands' back catalogues.

Point is, if kids these days are actually wanting good music, they'll go out and find it like I did. Not all kids will go the same route I did, they may look into various indie and prog and metal styles, but it's still better than the shit being force-fed in the mass media.

We DON'T need a re-recorded hit package to coerce the younger generation into buying Journey. I know enough people that aren't even into Melodic/Classic rock, that own the Journey Greatest Hits or at least buy some of the hits off iTunes. The original GH still holds strong today, there's a reason it's moved 14 million units.

Oh yeah, at every Journey concert I've been to, I've brought three friends within two years of age of me, and we ran into a bunch of people our age and partied hardy with them. There ARE a lot of young Journey fans out there, and they DON'T need re-recorded GH.

ProgRocker53 wrote:

Vlad… calling those who happen to like this version of the band “stupid” really isn’t nice… and I’m not arguing with ya… but the “facts” as you call it are obvious…

FACT: Perry is gone…. (as I’ve already stated)

FACT: The classics being re-recorded as part of the Walmart deal... its what Walmart wanted..

As far as "why" re-record the classics...Look at it this way.... (at least I do)

The older fans (those who happened to fall in love with the band in its Perry or earlier years) got to enjoy those great songs when they 1st came out.. and we also got to see them performed live. We had the opportunity to pay homage to the fellas as they were our musical heroes from that time in our lives... and we will always have our version of these songs... just like we had our 69' Camaros', Boss 302 Mustangs', and Dodge Challengers'. Those classic cars live on... yet have been revised & updated for the current time, and a different generation. The re-recorded songs, just like those classic muscle cars, will never be as good as the originals... we all know that.

But thats STILL no reason to deny this generation this classic music... revised & updated like those classic cars have been.

They've also recorded new material, that we’ve been told is "phenomenal". Kevin Shirley has no reason to "pump" it.. but his track record as a producer is pretty much second to none... for Pete's sake.. he was the engineer for Zeps movie "the Song Remains the Same"... they guy pretty much knows what "good" is. Also – if you look in the discography section http://www.cavemanproductions.com/discogplus.html of Shirtleys’ website, it shows “Columbia” as the label for this album…. Sorta interesting to think that Journey may be finally getting label support, in conjunction with the Walmart deal…. Sorta portends some big marketing push… which would only happen if the new material was amazing.


Think about it... if this new set of recordings do well just at Walmart, who are now the NUMBER ONE music retailer... all those kids who hear it will also have the opportunity to discover the back-catalog... which is money in all the band members pocket... including Perry. If Perry was really that upset about it, wouldn't we already have heard about the lawsuits?

I think its only right that THIS generation, SO STARVED for good music, deserves the same chance... with the re-recorded classics and the new stuff, they get something they can call "their own", and can identify with... IT would be pretty cool for them to embrace and make Journey their band... and then be able to go see and pay homage to their musical heroes, the same way we did when we were their age....

I'm a part of "THIS" generation, and I was SO STARVED for good music several years ago, that I discovered Journey.

I was so starved for good music, a year later, I discovered MelodicRock.com. From there I purchased albums by JSS, Talisman, Hardline, Tyketto, Tall Stories, Bad English, Toto, Winger, Seventh Key, Harem Scarem, and many more. Keep in mind at this point, I'm a senior in high school, and everyone else around me is listening to My Chemical Romance and Fall Out Boy.

I'm so starved for good music, I'm following up on these initial discoveries to this day, delving through these great bands' back catalogues.

Point is, if kids these days are actually wanting good music, they'll go out and find it like I did. Not all kids will go the same route I did, they may look into various indie and prog and metal styles, but it's still better than the shit being force-fed in the mass media.

We DON'T need a re-recorded hit package to coerce the younger generation into buying Journey. I know enough people that aren't even into Melodic/Classic rock, that own the Journey Greatest Hits or at least buy some of the hits off iTunes. The original GH still holds strong today, there's a reason it's moved 14 million units.

Oh yeah, at every Journey concert I've been to, I've brought three friends within two years of age of me, and we ran into a bunch of people our age and partied hardy with them. There ARE a lot of young Journey fans out there, and they DON'T need re-recorded GH.

Thats yer opinion and your entitled to it... all good!

.. and like I said... its what Walmart wanted... not what we think we need... or DON'T need...

slucero wrote:

7 Wishes wrote:Wrong. Journey does not need a re-recorded hits package. It is a pure crap move, entirely motivated by greed. Period.

C'mon 7, thats too easy an answer.... money is ALWAYS part of the equation... Especially at this level.....The re-mastering of Journey songs ( and the Houston video) by Perry was motivated by greed. Perry wasn't sitting at home pettin' his cat when he suddenly thought that would be a "nice thing he could do for the fans"...

it was sony's plan to remaster the cds. steve put in the extra effort because he thought that would be a "nice thing he could do for the fans"...