Could Perry be inducted WITHOUT Journey? R&R HOF

by **StoneCold** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:19 pm

scarygirl wrote: "Oh Scary" is gonna be his ticket into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

What ScaryGirl wrote above got me thinking (from the fave album thread) .

Could Perry be inducted as a solo artist bypassing Journey altogether?

by **Andrew** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:23 pm

With all due respect to the most fabulous Mr. Perry....No.

by **7 Wishes** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:41 pm

Not enough output. If the "Against the Wall" sessions had become a record, and he had released that oft-rumoured record in '99...and he continued to write and perform today...then yes. It's all or nothing in the end, though. But who wants to be a part of that sham, anyway?

by **ProgRocker53** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:44 pm

7 Wishes wrote:Not enough output. If the "Against the Wall" sessions had become a record, and he had released that oft-rumoured record in '99...and he continued to write and perform today...then yes. It's all or nothing in the end, though. But who wants to be a part of that sham, anyway?

Exactly. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is about as "Rock and Roll" as Friga having a tea party with Dr. Dre and John Denver.

I agree that Perry solo would likely be in with a couple more records and a bigger industry presence.. while it's a shame he didn't do more, I appreciate that we have what we do!

by **7 Wishes** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 3:47 pm

You know, I was listening to "Windsong" by Denver today, and I got to thinking...he was one of those guys that always seemed to be in his late 30's or early 40's. Sort of like Elton John...even when they were young, they seemed middle-aged.

by **Voyager** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:00 pm

It would be weird seeing Journey get the RRHOF induction with all five of their lead singers on stage.

by **STORY_TELLER** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:03 pm

You have to be a very popular artist or have had some lasting impact on music in general to even be considered. Perry didn't do enough as a solo artist to warrant either. Shame though as he has one of the most recognizable and impressive voices in rock and roll history, but unfortunately that alone is not enough.

Journey should be inducted. It's a crime they've been passed over as often as they've been.

by **STORY_TELLER** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:06 pm

Voyager wrote:It would be weird seeing Journey get the RRHOF induction with all five of their lead singers on stage.

They wouldn't be eligible. Neal wasn't allowed to be inducted with Santana. Perry and Rollie would be the only singers allowed in, guaranteed.

by **7 Wishes** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:14 pm

STORY_TELLER wrote:
They wouldn't be eligible. Neal wasn't allowed to be inducted with Santana. Perry and Rollie would be the only singers allowed in, guaranteed.

Neal COULD have gotten in with Santana. However, Carlos is an over-rated jealous bastard, and he held a grudge against Neal because it got out that NS had written and performed a lot of the solos for which Santana was erroneously given credit.

by **STORY_TELLER** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:16 pm

7 Wishes wrote:
STORY_TELLER wrote:
They wouldn't be eligible. Neal wasn't allowed to be inducted with Santana. Perry and Rollie would be the only singers allowed in, guaranteed.

Neal COULD have gotten in with Santana. However, Carlos is an over-rated jealous bastard, and he held a grudge against Neal because it got out that NS had written and performed a lot of the solos for which Santana was erroneously given credit.

Was that the reason? I thought it was something the hall trustees decided relating to Neal not being a founding member.

by **7 Wishes** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:21 pm

I believe the committee can exclude someone if it's deemed they didn't contribute much to the band (think of the Beatles and Def Leppard), but they didn't make that recommendation with Neal. That was Noriega's call, and he fucked it up.

by **StoneCold** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:22 pm

Voyager wrote:It would be weird seeing Journey get the RRHOF induction with all five of their lead singers on stage.

Fleischman, Rolie, Perry, Augeri, JSS, Pineda

I think six, that'd be pretty funny. Would be a cool picture though.

by **7 Wishes** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:25 pm

Well, remember when Spinal Tap was inducted into the British Metal HOF? They had the 16 surviving drummers (among the 37 they have at one time or another had in their employ), including that blond geek with glasses, on stage during the ceremony. It was like catching the tube at Surrey at 7 in the morning. What a fiasco! Plus, Nigel got lost backstage after the presentation and wound up in the back alley next to a Mandarin Chinese restaurant.

by **STORY_TELLER** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 4:30 pm

StoneCold wrote:
Voyager wrote:It would be weird seeing Journey get the RRHOF induction with all five of their lead singers on stage.

Fleischman, Rolie, Perry, Augeri, JSS, Pineda

I think six, that'd be pretty funny. Would be a cool picture though.

I'd like to think only members deemed to have made an impact on music history would be considered. If we're being honest and realistic, that's only members from Infinity to Trial by Fire. (ducking now!)

by **stevew2** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:32 pm

I wanted Friga in there ,he grabbed that little trophy at the last concert,he should do it again

by **StoneCold** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:50 pm

stevew2 wrote:I wanted Friga in there ,he grabbed that little trophy at the last concert,he should do it again

Are you saying he grabbed Arnel?

:lol:

by **JRNYLIVE** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:44 pm

StoneCold wrote:
stevew2 wrote:I wanted Friga in there ,he grabbed that little trophy at the last concert,he should do it again

Are you saying he grabbed Arnel?

funny, and if you look at the video...they were both the same size..one in each hand maybe?.....LMAO

no disrespect to arnel...just having a laugh... :roll:

by **Enigma869** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:31 pm

As much as I love Perry and believe Journey wouldn't exist, if Perry wasn't brought into the band, I don't believe Perry warrants being inducted to the Rock and Roll HOF as a solo artist. I believe Perry was talented enough to succeed on his own, without Journey, but it doesn't change the fact that his main career success was as the frontman of Journey!

John from Boston

by **AlienC** » Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:44 pm

7 Wishes wrote:
STORY_TELLER wrote:
They wouldn't be eligible. Neal wasn't allowed to be inducted with Santana. Perry and Rollie would be the only singers allowed in, guaranteed.

Neal COULD have gotten in with Santana. However, Carlos is an over-rated jealous bastard, and he held a grudge against Neal because it got out that NS had written and performed a lot of the solos for which Santana was erroneously given credit.

7 Wishes wrote:I believe the committee can exclude someone if it's deemed they didn't contribute much to the band (think of the Beatles and Def Leppard), but they didn't make that recommendation with Neal. That was Noriega's call, and he fucked it up.

Wurd.

Shortly after being knee-capped by JT, my name came up on the short list of available , local guitar techs that CS was looking at.
Despite my bona fides and personal relationship with his management, CS nixed me simply due to my past tenure with NS and the "others".

When I found that out, I realized he's as fucked up as NS is and that further hastened my retirement from "The Music Business."

by **stevew2** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:00 am

StoneCold wrote:
stevew2 wrote:I wanted Friga in there ,he grabbed that little trophy at the last concert,he should do it again

Are you saying he grabbed Arnel?

You re quick

by **Rockindeano** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:44 am

AlienC wrote: Shortly after being knee-capped by JT, my name came up on the short list of available

LOL, dude, you should have seen him get loose Friday Night at the Planet Hollywood. He was barking up the wrong tree. Had Lula and Wyatt not been there, he would have gone to the hospital and I would have gone to jail.

"knee capped by JT"- Dude,, that's hilarious.

by **youkeepmewaiting** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:53 am

No. As much as a love Perry, he has not done anywere near as much stuff to be considered a rock n roll hall of famer

by **belar** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:34 am

Nope. One good solo album and one that was "meh" is not enough for a HOF induction.

Journey should be in, with:

Rolie
Schon
Tickner
Prince
Dunbar
Valory
Perry
Cain
Smitty
Augeri
Castronovo

by **Enigma869** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:58 am

belar wrote:Nope. One good solo album and one that was "meh" is not enough for a HOF induction.

Journey should be in, with:

Rolie
Schon
Tickner
Prince
Dunbar
Valory
Perry
Cain
Smitty
Augeri
Castronovo

Why the hell should Augeri and Castronovo even be mentioned in the same sentence with Journey and the Rock and Roll HOF? Because of "Arrival"? Please tell me one thing that makes either guy worthy of such an honor! If Journey were ever to be inducted, it would be Perry, Cain, Schon, Valory, Smith, and Rolie! Nobody else on that list gets in!

John from Boston

by **ProgRocker53** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:00 am

Enigma869 wrote:
belar wrote:Nope. One good solo album and one that was "meh" is not enough for a HOF induction.

Journey should be in, with:

Rolie
Schon
Tickner
Prince
Dunbar
Valory
Perry
Cain
Smitty
Augeri
Castronovo

Why the hell should Augeri and Castronovo even be mentioned in the same sentence with Journey and the Rock and Roll HOF? Because of "Arrival"? Please tell me one thing that makes either guy worthy of such an honor! If Journey were ever to be inducted, it would be Perry, Cain, Schon, Valory, Smith, and Rolie! Nobody else on that list gets in!

Dunbar should.

MR