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Railroaded by Surround Sound...

PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:54 am
by TRAGChick
Thanks to the wonderful Production of Steve Perry: "The Escape DVD".

Oh my GOD.... :shock:

Hey, all....

Mark and I did some "Spring Renovation" in our house, and moved our MASSIVE Surround Sound System to our downstairs Studio.
I stood in the middle of the floor, at the "crosshairs" of the 4 Speakers...and listened to "Open Arms"...

Almost FELL OVER from the power...and the System was only on "3". :shock:

Thank you, Steve....amazing job, man.... .8)

Re: Railroaded by Surround Sound...

PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:11 am
by SteveForever
TRAGChick wrote:Thanks to the wonderful Production of Steve Perry: "The Escape DVD".

Oh my GOD.... :shock:

Hey, all....

Mark and I did some "Spring Renovation" in our house, and moved our MASSIVE Surround Sound System to our downstairs Studio.
I stood in the middle of the floor, at the "crosshairs" of the 4 Speakers...and listened to "Open Arms"...

Almost FELL OVER from the power...and the System was only on "3". :shock:

Thank you, Steve....amazing job, man.... .8)


I know! I have huge Polk Audios that I do that with, now run right out and buy that re-recording, ? why...why...why?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:41 am
by STORY_TELLER
I keep hoping Sony will remaster all the original (Perry era) albums in 5.1 surround. Dare to dream.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:44 am
by StyxCollector
STORY_TELLER wrote:I keep hoping Sony will remaster all the original (Perry era) albums in 5.1 surround. Dare to dream.


Would have already been done. I mean, Arrival, Escape, and GH were issued on SACD - only in stereo (i.e. 2.0). Since SACD is pretty much dead for rock, I'd say snowball's chance in hell.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:51 am
by KenTheDude
I once read that on Neil Diamond's property he likes to get in his boat on his lake and stop out in the middle of it. He has a barn on one side of the lake that is the left speaker and another barn on the other side of the lake that is the right speaker. :shock: Not sure if it's true or not but that would be awesome.

PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:53 am
by STORY_TELLER
StyxCollector wrote:
STORY_TELLER wrote:I keep hoping Sony will remaster all the original (Perry era) albums in 5.1 surround. Dare to dream.


Would have already been done. I mean, Arrival, Escape, and GH were issued on SACD - only in stereo (i.e. 2.0). Since SACD is pretty much dead for rock, I'd say snowball's chance in hell.


Thanks for crushing my hopes and dreams. :( :D

PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:55 am
by StyxCollector
STORY_TELLER wrote:Thanks for crushing my hopes and dreams. :( :D


Glad to be of service :)

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:04 am
by StringsOfJoy
Not to pop any bubbles, and I'm glad TRAG is enjoying her newly-relocated high-end surround system, but it's always important to keep perspective (particularly if you have a recessive audiophile gene). Here's the sound engineer's perspective. Check it:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar08/a ... f_0308.htm ("Surround? Who's Even Hearing Stereo?!")

"Crosshairs" is the operative word here...as you'll see from the link...

"Even in the murky underworld of the hi-fi enthusiast, [even-plain old] stereo imaging is a delicate little flower. You might get clear positioning while you're perched in the sweet spot, but shuffle across the room...and the stereo field scrunches up into whichever speaker you've moved closer to."

"And for those hi-fi buffs who aren't bachelors, exactly how often do you reckon they actually listen in the sweet spot anyway? It's not the most communal experience -- unless you take the concept of 'close friends' rather literally. [Few will ever implement] acoustic foam treatment in the living room..." AND that any hearing impairment doesn't get in the way of all those delicately balance directional speakers and is compatible with someone's new "creatively phase cancelled remix". Among other things.

And that's just talking about stereo!

But people should feel free to like what they like and enjoy whatever it is they do hear.

So Story Teller...don't give up hope. If surround is what you're looking for anyway, there's plenty of audio algorithms incorporated in presently affordable equipment that can emulate it for you even from a stereo recording, and they're getting better all the time, regardless of what Sony does or doesn't do.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:24 am
by STORY_TELLER
StringsOfJoy wrote:Not to pop any bubbles, and I'm glad TRAG is enjoying her newly-relocated high-end surround system, but it's always important to keep perspective (particularly if you have a recessive audiophile gene). Here's the sound engineer's perspective. Check it:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar08/a ... f_0308.htm ("Surround? Who's Even Hearing Stereo?!")

"Crosshairs" is the operative word here...as you'll see from the link...

"Even in the murky underworld of the hi-fi enthusiast, [even-plain old] stereo imaging is a delicate little flower. You might get clear positioning while you're perched in the sweet spot, but shuffle across the room...and the stereo field scrunches up into whichever speaker you've moved closer to."

"And for those hi-fi buffs who aren't bachelors, exactly how often do you reckon they actually listen in the sweet spot anyway? It's not the most communal experience -- unless you take the concept of 'close friends' rather literally. [Few will ever implement] acoustic foam treatment in the living room..." AND that any hearing impairment doesn't get in the way of all those delicately balance directional speakers and is compatible with someone's new "creatively phase cancelled remix". Among other things.

And that's just talking about stereo!

But people should feel free to like what they like and enjoy whatever it is they do hear.

So Story Teller...don't give up hope. If surround is what you're looking for anyway, there's plenty of audio algorithms incorporated in presently affordable equipment that can emulate it for you even from a stereo recording, and they're getting better all the time, regardless of what Sony does or doesn't do.


Yeah, but there's a difference between that and the Led Zeppelin DTS 5.1 two disk concert DVD (with the albert hall performance). That's what I want from Journey's stuff.

Thanks for trying to make me feel better though. :wink:

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:25 am
by TRAGChick
Um...

I was just saying that the Production was amazing, and I was surprised by the power of the DVD, when the Volume was only on "3"...

:oops:

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:02 am
by StringsOfJoy
Wasn't being critical TRAG...I was actually mostly addressing the posts after yours. I am glad you're enjoying the DVD in your new audio room and the power of your system with the DVD audio.

If you're enjoying it, all the other techno-babble is fairly meaningless idn't it? :wink:

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:35 am
by Rockindeano
Fuck Nora, you couldn't find a better song than that shit? Open Arms? Your neighbours must hate your ass.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:09 am
by ProgRocker53
Rockindeano wrote:Fuck Nora, you couldn't find a better song than that shit? Open Arms? Your neighbours must hate your ass.


My sentiments exactly. I would've tested that baby with something like Escape or Wheel int he Sky.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:41 am
by Rockindeano
ProgRocker53 wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Fuck Nora, you couldn't find a better song than that shit? Open Arms? Your neighbours must hate your ass.


My sentiments exactly. I would've tested that baby with something like Escape or Wheel int he Sky.


Fuck that Prog. One Night Love Affair smokes those two songs.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:55 am
by ProgRocker53
Rockindeano wrote:
ProgRocker53 wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Fuck Nora, you couldn't find a better song than that shit? Open Arms? Your neighbours must hate your ass.


My sentiments exactly. I would've tested that baby with something like Escape or Wheel int he Sky.


Fuck that Prog. One Night Love Affair smokes those two songs.


Haha well I was keeping it to songs on the Houston '81 DVD, but if you wanna go that far....

....the perfect music to use to test a massive sound system, would be some heavy deep shit like Dream Theater. Any Dream Theater rocker smokes Bryan Adams like a cheap doobie. ;)

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:06 pm
by Rhiannon
ProgRocker53 wrote:....the perfect music to use to test a massive sound system, would be some heavy deep shit like Dream Theater. Any Dream Theater rocker smokes Bryan Adams like a cheap doobie. ;)


Says the guy doing a Meatwad impression in his av. :lol: :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:07 pm
by ProgRocker53
Rhiannon wrote:
ProgRocker53 wrote:....the perfect music to use to test a massive sound system, would be some heavy deep shit like Dream Theater. Any Dream Theater rocker smokes Bryan Adams like a cheap doobie. ;)


Says the guy doing a Meatwad impression in his av. :lol: :wink:

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Just be glad you're not seeing my Carl impression....

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:10 pm
by Rhiannon
ProgRocker53 wrote:
Rhiannon wrote:
ProgRocker53 wrote:....the perfect music to use to test a massive sound system, would be some heavy deep shit like Dream Theater. Any Dream Theater rocker smokes Bryan Adams like a cheap doobie. ;)


Says the guy doing a Meatwad impression in his av. :lol: :wink:

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Just be glad you're not seeing my Carl impression....


Why?? Do you sell your house to Glenn Danzig while singing Boston songs?? :shock: :lol:

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:37 pm
by Rockindeano
Dream Theatre smokes BA? You are an imbecile bro. BA's rockers smoke anyone's.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:47 pm
by ProgRocker53
Rockindeano wrote:Dream Theatre smokes BA? You are an imbecile bro. BA's rockers smoke anyone's.


:lol:

Let's just agree that Bryan Adams is one righteous and talented mofo, alright?

I think I may go pop in some Cuts Like a Knife here soon. I'm feelin' BA tonight.

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:52 pm
by Saint John
If lame ass "Open Arms" did that to you, then "Separate Ways" would probably launch you through the window and across the street. :wink:

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:57 pm
by Andrew
Rockindeano wrote:
ProgRocker53 wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Fuck Nora, you couldn't find a better song than that shit? Open Arms? Your neighbours must hate your ass.


My sentiments exactly. I would've tested that baby with something like Escape or Wheel int he Sky.


Fuck that Prog. One Night Love Affair smokes those two songs.


Truth be told...there are few songs in the world better than One Night Love Affair. Especially live...

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:02 pm
by Saint John
Andrew wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
ProgRocker53 wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Fuck Nora, you couldn't find a better song than that shit? Open Arms? Your neighbours must hate your ass.


My sentiments exactly. I would've tested that baby with something like Escape or Wheel int he Sky.


Fuck that Prog. One Night Love Affair smokes those two songs.


Truth be told...there are few song sin the world better than One Night Love Affair. Especially live...


Like Run To You. 8)