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This board has been running like Michael Johnson in 1996, lately. With the pending Herbert interview only days, perhaps hours, away, it might be a good time to decide what sort of responses to the interview will be most constructive for those named in the interview, and more importantly, this forum. Let's try to maintain some sort of order as Andrew has waited for this interview for years, and I'd hate to see his big feature turn into what LA did when the cops that tuned up Rodney King were acquitted. I fully support Andrew running the interview in full, but as residents we have a bit of reponsibility to let Drew to have his day(s) in the sun and react and discuss the contents of the interview in a semi-sane way. Being one of the resident assclowns here I'm certainly not saying that I'm never a jackoff or imbecile, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna act a fool on the owner's big day(s).

Lastly, some have mentioned that there may be what some deem as "personal" stuff in the interview. Relationships, especially difficult ones, have scars that don't always heal. I'd ask that we all think about what it would feel like if we were in said person's shoes. While we have almost all been guilty of such "jokes" and/or generalizations about Schon, I have a feeling these may be of a bit more specific interview. They were wrong then and they're wrong now (myself included as much as anyone). Though not all may think so, I think there's a huge opportunity to thank the boss here by taking in the interview, discussing its contents in a civil manner and moving forward. This is a Journey board (past and present) and they have a lot more contemporary and important stuff to talk about than what "Herbie Springer" will provide. Let's do this right, folks. Enjoy the interview. I know I will, but let's do it right. Cheers, Andrew.

Thanks, Deputy Fife.

Rule #1 - Don't blame the interviewer.

Rule #2 - See above.

Saint John wrote:This board has been running like Michael Johnson in 1996, lately. With the pending Herbert interview only days, perhaps hours, away, it might be a good time to decide what sort of responses to the interview will be most constructive for those named in the interview, and more importantly, this forum. Let's try to maintain some sort of order as Andrew has waited for this interview for years, and I'd hate to see his big feature turn into what LA did when the cops that tuned up Rodney King were acquitted. I fully support Andrew running the interview in full, but as residents we have a bit of reponsibility to let Drew to have his day(s) in the sun and react and discuss the contents of the interview in a semi-sane way. Being one of the resident assclowns here I'm certainly not saying that I'm never a jackoff or imbecile, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna act a fool on the owner's big day(s).

Lastly, some have mentioned that there may be what some deem as "personal" stuff in the interview. Relationships, especially difficult ones, have scars that don't always heal. I'd ask that we all think about what it would feel like if we were in said person's shoes. While we have almost all been guilty of such "jokes" and/or generalizations about Schon, I have a feeling these may be of a bit more specific interview. They were wrong then and they're wrong now (myself included as much as anyone). Though not all may think so, I think there's a huge opportunity to thank the boss here by taking in the interview, discussing its contents in a civil manner and moving forward. This is a Journey board (past and present) and they have a lot more contemporary and important stuff to talk about than what "Herbie Springer" will provide. Let's do this right, folks. Enjoy the interview. I know I will, but let's do it right. Cheers, Andrew.

We'll get you that mod job at BT yet SJ!

Andrew wrote:Rule #1 - Don't blame the interviewer.

Rule #2 - See above.

This is gonna be good.

I hope he is positive and not so bitter anymore. He did know his stuff in the music industry.

Maui Tom wrote:

Saint John wrote:This board has been running like Michael Johnson in 1996, lately. With the pending Herbert interview only days, perhaps hours, away, it might be a good time to decide what sort of responses to the interview will be most constructive for those named in the interview, and more importantly, this forum. Let's try to maintain some sort of order as Andrew has waited for this interview for years, and I'd hate to see his big feature turn into what LA did when the cops that tuned up Rodney King were acquitted. I fully support Andrew running the interview in full, but as residents we have a bit of reponsibility to let Drew to have his day(s) in the sun and react and discuss the contents of the interview in a semi-sane way. Being one of the resident assclowns here I'm certainly not saying that I'm never a jackoff or imbecile, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna act a fool on the owner's big day(s).

Lastly, some have mentioned that there may be what some deem as "personal" stuff in the interview. Relationships, especially difficult ones, have scars that don't always heal. I'd ask that we all think about what it would feel like if we were in said person's shoes. While we have almost all been guilty of such "jokes" and/or generalizations about Schon, I have a feeling these may be of a bit more specific interview. They were wrong then and they're wrong now (myself included as much as anyone). Though not all may think so, I think there's a huge opportunity to thank the boss here by taking in the interview, discussing its contents in a civil manner and moving forward. This is a Journey board (past and present) and they have a lot more contemporary and important stuff to talk about than what "Herbie Springer" will provide. Let's do this right, folks. Enjoy the interview. I know I will, but let's do it right. Cheers, Andrew.

We'll get you that mod job at BT yet SJ!

I really want it. Seriously. I'm putting you down as a reference, Tom.

Saint John wrote:

Maui Tom wrote:

Saint John wrote:This board has been running like Michael Johnson in 1996, lately. With the pending Herbert interview only days, perhaps hours, away, it might be a good time to decide what sort of responses to the interview will be most constructive for those named in the interview, and more importantly, this forum. Let's try to maintain some sort of order as Andrew has waited for this interview for years, and I'd hate to see his big feature turn into what LA did when the cops that tuned up Rodney King were acquitted. I fully support Andrew running the interview in full, but as residents we have a bit of reponsibility to let Drew to have his day(s) in the sun and react and discuss the contents of the interview in a semi-sane way. Being one of the resident assclowns here I'm certainly not saying that I'm never a jackoff or imbecile, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna act a fool on the owner's big day(s).

Lastly, some have mentioned that there may be what some deem as "personal" stuff in the interview. Relationships, especially difficult ones, have scars that don't always heal. I'd ask that we all think about what it would feel like if we were in said person's shoes. While we have almost all been guilty of such "jokes" and/or generalizations about Schon, I have a feeling these may be of a bit more specific interview. They were wrong then and they're wrong now (myself included as much as anyone). Though not all may think so, I think there's a huge opportunity to thank the boss here by taking in the interview, discussing its contents in a civil manner and moving forward. This is a Journey board (past and present) and they have a lot more contemporary and important stuff to talk about than what "Herbie Springer" will provide. Let's do this right, folks. Enjoy the interview. I know I will, but let's do it right. Cheers, Andrew.

We'll get you that mod job at BT yet SJ!

I really want it. Seriously. I'm putting you down as a reference, Tom.

Dude if we can get Sarah to back you, you're a shoe in.

Saint John wrote:This board has been running like Michael Johnson in 1996, lately. With the pending Herbert interview only days, perhaps hours, away, it might be a good time to decide what sort of responses to the interview will be most constructive for those named in the interview, and more importantly, this forum. Let's try to maintain some sort of order as Andrew has waited for this interview for years, and I'd hate to see his big feature turn into what LA did when the cops that tuned up Rodney King were acquitted. I fully support Andrew running the interview in full, but as residents we have a bit of reponsibility to let Drew to have his day(s) in the sun and react and discuss the contents of the interview in a semi-sane way. Being one of the resident assclowns here I'm certainly not saying that I'm never a jackoff or imbecile, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna act a fool on the owner's big day(s).

Lastly, some have mentioned that there may be what some deem as "personal" stuff in the interview. Relationships, especially difficult ones, have scars that don't always heal. I'd ask that we all think about what it would feel like if we were in said person's shoes. While we have almost all been guilty of such "jokes" and/or generalizations about Schon, I have a feeling these may be of a bit more specific interview. They were wrong then and they're wrong now (myself included as much as anyone). Though not all may think so, I think there's a huge opportunity to thank the boss here by taking in the interview, discussing its contents in a civil manner and moving forward. This is a Journey board (past and present) and they have a lot more contemporary and important stuff to talk about than what "Herbie Springer" will provide. Let's do this right, folks. Enjoy the interview. I know I will, but let's do it right. Cheers, Andrew.

You can search this board to your heart's content and never see me speak negatively of any poster here. So it is with great honor and ceremony that I have to say this post made me want to laugh out loud. Go read your last few posts about Steve Perry and then act like you want harmony. Lately, I've really noticed how clueless you are. You have no idea why people were let go or motives behind any of the moves. Herbie's no saint and from what I have heard, it was likely appropriate that he was removed. No way Neal and Jon go along if there wasn't some sparkle of a reason. Think about it. Before you go blasting something you know nothing about, just assume that there are reasons for most things. Just because Perry is classy enough not to give private details of the goings on doesn't mean you should take "PR" stories as fact. You really think Ross was let go for musical reasons? You really think Perry had no reason to ask Herbie to step aside?

But wait, let's react appropriately. I'm sorry. Let's not make fun of Neal and his 57 wives. That would be wrong. But Perry is free game.

You are clueless.

Here we go........................

Rockindeano wrote:Here we go........................

Rick wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:Here we go........................

Rockindeano wrote:Here we go........................

I promised Andrew I wouldn't post anything about this stuff until after he posted the interview, so I'll try and not reply to the crap. But this one was rediculous.

Rick wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:Here we go........................

For your own safety, please buckle your seatbelt and keep your hands and feet inside the ride at all times.

Memorex wrote:

Saint John wrote:This board has been running like Michael Johnson in 1996, lately. With the pending Herbert interview only days, perhaps hours, away, it might be a good time to decide what sort of responses to the interview will be most constructive for those named in the interview, and more importantly, this forum. Let's try to maintain some sort of order as Andrew has waited for this interview for years, and I'd hate to see his big feature turn into what LA did when the cops that tuned up Rodney King were acquitted. I fully support Andrew running the interview in full, but as residents we have a bit of reponsibility to let Drew to have his day(s) in the sun and react and discuss the contents of the interview in a semi-sane way. Being one of the resident assclowns here I'm certainly not saying that I'm never a jackoff or imbecile, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna act a fool on the owner's big day(s).

Lastly, some have mentioned that there may be what some deem as "personal" stuff in the interview. Relationships, especially difficult ones, have scars that don't always heal. I'd ask that we all think about what it would feel like if we were in said person's shoes. While we have almost all been guilty of such "jokes" and/or generalizations about Schon, I have a feeling these may be of a bit more specific interview. They were wrong then and they're wrong now (myself included as much as anyone). Though not all may think so, I think there's a huge opportunity to thank the boss here by taking in the interview, discussing its contents in a civil manner and moving forward. This is a Journey board (past and present) and they have a lot more contemporary and important stuff to talk about than what "Herbie Springer" will provide. Let's do this right, folks. Enjoy the interview. I know I will, but let's do it right. Cheers, Andrew.

You can search this board to your heart's content and never see me speak negatively of any poster here. So it is with great honor and ceremony that I have to say this post made me want to laugh out loud. Go read your last few posts about Steve Perry and then act like you want harmony. Lately, I've really noticed how clueless you are. You have no idea why people were let go or motives behind any of the moves. Herbie's no saint and from what I have heard, it was likely appropriate that he was removed. No way Neal and Jon go along if there wasn't some sparkle of a reason. Think about it. Before you go blasting something you know nothing about, just assume that there are reasons for most things. Just because Perry is classy enough not to give private details of the goings on doesn't mean you should take "PR" stories as fact. You really think Ross was let go for musical reasons? You really think Perry had no reason to ask Herbie to step aside?

But wait, let's react appropriately. I'm sorry. Let's not make fun of Neal and his 57 wives. That would be wrong. But Perry is free game.

You are clueless.

I actually said that the generalizations about Neal and the barbs about him having multiple wives was less wrong than the potential stuff about to come out because what we may read is of a more specific nature. You contradicted yourself by not reading and comprehending properly. I'll talk to you via PM if you'd like to discuss this further.

Memorex wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:Here we go........................

I promised Andrew I wouldn't post anything about this stuff until after he posted the interview, so I'll try and not reply to the crap. But this one was rediculous.

I agree.

Saint John wrote:
I actually said that the generalizations about Neal and the barbs about him having multiple wives was less wrong than the potential stuff about to come out because what we may read is of a more specific nature. You contradicted yourself by not reading and comprehending properly. I'll talk to you via PM if you'd like to discuss this further.

No need to discuss further and I understood completely. I just think it's odd for you to say it's wrong of us to make jokes but your other posts have been particularly nasty and without a true basis. I'm done. Vented out, for now.

Saint John wrote:

Memorex wrote:

Rockindeano wrote:Here we go........................

I promised Andrew I wouldn't post anything about this stuff until after he posted the interview, so I'll try and not reply to the crap. But this one was rediculous.

I agree.

Sorry - tend to type too fast when I'm venting.

So what happens when the actual story doesn't live up to all the unknowing-fan emotional hype?
A lot of us have alread galvanized ourselves to some prejudiced outcome. When the story hits, it'll be like, "yeah, what I thought. Oh well."
That'll be the real story right here. It won't be anything that HH said. It'll be our perception based on all the pre-story crap.


later~

Memorex wrote:

Saint John wrote:
I actually said that the generalizations about Neal and the barbs about him having multiple wives was less wrong than the potential stuff about to come out because what we may read is of a more specific nature. You contradicted yourself by not reading and comprehending properly. I'll talk to you via PM if you'd like to discuss this further.

No need to discuss further and I understood completely. I just think it's odd for you to say it's wrong of us to make jokes but your other posts have been particularly nasty and without a true basis. I'm done. Vented out, for now.

Fair enough. I make fun of Perry's nose...he did that and seemed ok about it. I'll admit wrong here if we can move forward amicably. No need to respond.

Andrew wrote:Rule #1 - Don't blame the interviewer.

Rule #2 - See above.

No worries Andrew, they're not your words. Besides, if he starts trashing band members or revealing personal info..........anybody with half a brain cell will see the sour grapes for what it is.

Memorex wrote: Just because Perry is classy enough

Next dope I hear preface an apo1ogy/cover up for his years of jerkish behavior with bandmates with how "c1assy" he is gets every point of credibi1ity deducted.

We GET it.
Just because he acted his atrocities against his bandmates, inc1uding its founder, out behind shut doors, AWAY from the band and behind 1awyers instead of being a man and 1et OTHERS on his payro11 do the dirtywork YOU peop1e think it's "c1assy."

Stop the bu11shit, for goddsakes.
And yes, the my key between "k" and ";" is being substituted for a numera1 right now as it's broken.
perry's yet to s1ap a gag order on my 1 key.

Red13JoePa wrote:

Memorex wrote: Just because Perry is classy enough

Next dope I hear preface an apo1ogy/cover up for his years of jerkish behavior with bandmates with how "c1assy" he is gets every point of credibi1ity deducted.

We GET it.
Just because he acted his atrocities against his bandmates, inc1uding its founder, out behind shut doors, AWAY from the band and behind 1awyers instead of being a man and 1et OTHERS on his payro11 do the dirtywork YOU peop1e think it's "c1assy."

Stop for goddsakes.

Spoken as if you were in the room. From what I know, there were reasons for Ross and Herbie to be removed. Smith - no clue. I see it as a huge mistake.

I'm sure they have all had their moments. But so have I and so have you. Does it rise to the level of ridicule he gets here - I seriously doubt it.

Again – No way in the world Neal and Jon agree to let Herbie go if there was not a reason. Even Jon says in BTM that he was not “whole heartedly behind it”, which insinuates he felt there was at least some reason.

Check out the liner notes of TBF and how grateful Ross was to get his second chance. That’s exactly what it was – a second chance, cause he and he alone blew the first one.

Anyway, call it whatever you like but Steve Perry seems to have reconciled with whatever part he had in it, moved on, and only seems to care about the legacy of this band. That does suggest growth and awareness of one’s shortcomings. So whatever he did or said or however he acted, people need to just move on. I'd like to move on as a fan, but there are too many people that want to just cry and complain as if these weren't grown men.

Red13JoePa wrote:And yes, the my key between "k" and ";" is being substituted for a numera1 right now as it's broken.
perry's yet to s1ap a gag order on my 1 key.

How about saving us the sanity and find an "L" somewhere and practice the ctrl-c/ctrl-v functionality of your computer.

Red13JoePa wrote:

Memorex wrote: Just because Perry is classy enough

Next dope I hear preface an apo1ogy/cover up for his years of jerkish behavior with bandmates with how "c1assy" he is gets every point of credibi1ity deducted.

We GET it.
Just because he acted his atrocities against his bandmates, inc1uding its founder, out behind shut doors, AWAY from the band and behind 1awyers instead of being a man and 1et OTHERS on his payro11 do the dirtywork YOU peop1e think it's "c1assy."

Stop the bu11shit, for goddsakes.
And yes, the my key between "k" and ";" is being substituted for a numera1 right now as it's broken.
perry's yet to s1ap a gag order on my 1 key.

Blinded.

You are seriously mistaken JoPa.

I'm making INFERENCES based on YEARS of anectoda1 evidence given in interviews and speaking with my own sources.
You know NO more than I to be rubuking me for my inferences, and sanctimonious1y whining about persona1 attacks on a bandmember who was the singer (when in fact, every aspect of Schon, the band founder's persona1 existence has been specu1ated here, and FAR more than the ex singer's. You yourse1f just made the "57" wives joke, but I guess that's "c1assy" coming from a poster who thinks the ex singer exudes the same) on the grounds that no one here was there.

In the next breath you ta1k about Ross Va1ory's firing at the ex singer's hands, and his supposed gratitute at perry (though he named NOONE in particu1ar) in the TBF notes as if YOU were there and that both perry the producer firing him and Ross seeing the 1ight as it were and kissing sp's ring in the TBF notes are somehow an indication that Va1ory's but a mere kindergartener and was right1y bowing to his master for his past sins.

This is a great start to the pre-interview debates. People are arguing civilly. JoePa is ahead on points, though.

Memorex wrote:

Red13JoePa wrote:And yes, the my key between "k" and ";" is being substituted for a numera1 right now as it's broken.
perry's yet to s1ap a gag order on my 1 key.

How about saving us the sanity and find an "L" somewhere and practice the ctrl-c/ctrl-v functionality of your computer.

Sure, soon's I am saved the pious moaning about what you think are unjust comments on a bandmember by then going after another's private domestic existence.

Red13JoePa wrote:

Memorex wrote: Just because Perry is classy enough

Next dope I hear preface an apo1ogy/cover up for his years of jerkish behavior with bandmates with how "c1assy" he is gets every point of credibi1ity deducted.

Well here comes this dope then. I have no idea whether Perry behaved like an ass over 25 years ago in the height of that insanity and neither do you. And if he did, he wasn't the only one. Which you seem to make out all the time. Even if Perry was a jerk almost 30 years ago, he seems to have moved on and IMO after meeting him, is a surprisingly down to earth, funny, classy guy.....with fond memories of his time in Journey. Herbie on the other hand from what I've read seems to be going in the other direction. Let it go already........

Red13JoePa wrote:I'm making INFERENCES based on YEARS of anectoda1 evidence given in interviews and speaking with my own sources.
You know NO more than I to be rubuking me for my inferences, and sanctimonious1y whining about persona1 attacks on a bandmember who was the singer (when in fact, every aspect of Schon, the band founder's persona1 existence has been specu1ated here, and FAR more than the ex singer's. You yourse1f just made the "57" wives joke, but I guess that's "c1assy" coming from a poster who thinks the ex singer exudes the same) on the grounds that no one here was there.

In the next breath you ta1k about Ross Va1ory's firing at the ex singer's hands, and his supposed gratitute at perry (though he named NOONE in particu1ar) in the TBF notes as if YOU were there and that both perry the producer firing him and Ross seeing the 1ight as it were and kissing sp's ring in the TBF notes are somehow an indication that Va1ory's but a mere kindergartener and was right1y bowing to his master for his past sins.

I said he was thankful for his second chance, didn't say it was Perry that gave him the second chance. Ross fell and stumbled and yes I do know that. Thankfully, he got himself together and was able to get back to the life he earned. I admire him for that. Since he has improved his life, I think it would be silly for people to sit around bashing him for past issues. I'm fair across the board. The 57 wives thing was clearly an exaggeration to get my point across. Any man who has multiple ex wives clearly will have a decent sense of humor about it. If he didn't, he would have killed himself long ago - I imagine.

Something always struck me. What is worse – a person that makes a move because of his perceived reasons, or two others who go along because they are not men enough to stand up for what’s right? Looking at it from my point of view, for Neal and Jon to agree to everything, there either had to be sufficient cause, or these two clearly had no spine. I doubt it’s the latter.

I may or may not know more about why Herbie was removed, but I assure you there are valid reasons.

I forget why Herbie is not the current manager with Steve out of the way. Was it retirement? Was Azoff's contract long term? I don't recall.