Did the HH Interview Change Your Opinion of Steve Perry?

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Did the HH Interview Change Your Opinion of Steve Perry?

Postby Voyager » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:00 am

It's well known that Herbie Herbert has had ill feelings toward Steve Perry since the mid-80's. Herbie blames Steve for a lot of the lost time and money resulting from Journey not being able to generate touring and record sales revenue due to Steve's absence. However, at the same time Herbie admits that Steve lost his voice as early as the late 80's and wouldn't have been capable to sing for Journey even if he wanted to. In the recent MelodicRock interview, Herbie admitted:

Herbie Herbert wrote:...The road is grueling on a voice, that's the hardest thing. And if you get sick you get sick. You lose your voice and you've got to power your way through it. There's just nothing you can do about it. It takes X amount of time to recover and man, trying to go through and get through gigs when you have laryngitis is just the worst. ...Yeah it's so hard on a singer and just brain damage, traumatizing is what it really is.

...Knocking 'em down hard and Steve Perry's voice was all broken up. So, you know, forget about it. It was just so revealing. That was in '91 at which point that day I hadn't seen him since 1986 Raised on Radio and that was five years. And what an ugly encounter that was with Steve Perry that day.

...Ok busted, the party's over, this ruse is up, now you're gonna have to try to get somebody who can really sing so you get Jeff Scott Soto without the benefit of the same crutches and help that Augeri had. He was just quickly and after a few dates in a row he was raw. Those songs will get you. They're very difficult to sing. Playing them in the original voice (key) is like murder on a voice.

...Despite the logic, the unavoidable logic, that if Steve Perry was still in the band, and I know that there's a giant public out there that would love nothing more, they're clueless to the fact that the guy can't sing anymore.


It would seem based on what Herbie has said here that all of the anger towards Steve Perry for not wanting to tour with Journey in the 90's has been unfounded. If the guy really cannot sing anymore (as Herbie admitted above), then how can you blame Steve Perry for that? As Herbie said, the high tenor range of the classic Journey songs are "murder on a voice."

Here's more of what Herbie had to say about the technological limitations back in the 80's that would have never allowed any help for Perry in regards to sampled backing tracks:

...I remember with Steve Perry we had a four night sellout at the Reunion Arena in Dallas and he really was in rough, rough, rough shape and it was the one time when I had to sit down and go 'Steve', it's horrendous, this is why the pressure is what it is, but we would put in suspense the settlement on this, what at the time was an obscenely big gross in rock 'n roll and until we returned and played the postponed fourth date we couldn't settle because all the deals were really tightly negotiated predicated on four days.
They were extraordinary low deals but they were justified by the band playing four nights sold out in the round and all the ancillary income from parking and all would be frozen if he couldn't perform. [b]And so, somehow he got through that performance and in those days, when that happened, the crutches hadn't been developed. They hadn't come up with the Akai Samplers and the various technologies that would allow for it.


It seems pretty clear that the writing was on the wall regarding Perry's vocal limitations - at least by the mid-90's. Since then, many of us have wondered why Perry never returned to Journey... or to music in any form. If I ever had any doubt as to why Perry didn't want to tour with Journey after TBF was released, it's all but gone now.

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Postby Saint John » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:04 am

No, it didn't. I have known he was an asshole (as it pertains specifically to Journey) for quite some time. Like I've said before...intentional, systematic destruction of the band starting right after the Frontiers tour.
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Did the HH Interview Change Your Opinion of Steve Perry?

Postby Michigan Girl » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:06 am

HELL NO!!! :wink:
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Postby Art Vandelay » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:16 am

Never met the guy, so my opinion of him is and has always been nothing more than a truly gifted singer.

I do think that the slams on his '91 Bill Graham performance is a bit unfair. Yes, he was obviously not on top of his game at that show. But he openly admitted to not even listening to music for a few years at that point, let alone singing. To say there was no time to prepare himself for that show is an understatement. Plus it was a tribute/memorial concert for someone who passed away, where I don't feel it's necessary to critique. Every performer at that show was there out of selflessness to honor a legend. Had it been a full Journey concert, he would have been better prepared.
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Re: Did the HH Interview Change Your Opinion of Steve Perry?

Postby conversationpc » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:22 am

Voyager wrote:It would seem based on what Herbie has said here that all of the anger towards Steve Perry for not wanting to tour with Journey in the 90's has been unfounded. If the guy really cannot sing anymore (as Herbie admitted above), then how can you blame Steve Perry for that? As Herbie said, the high tenor range of the classic Journey songs are "murder on a voice."


No, it's not unfounded. He flat-out told the guys that Steve had no intention of touring when they were preparing for the TBF sessions. The other guys thought he would.
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Re: Did the HH Interview Change Your Opinion of Steve Perry?

Postby Voyager » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:27 am

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Voyager wrote:It would seem based on what Herbie has said here that all of the anger towards Steve Perry for not wanting to tour with Journey in the 90's has been unfounded. If the guy really cannot sing anymore (as Herbie admitted above), then how can you blame Steve Perry for that? As Herbie said, the high tenor range of the classic Journey songs are "murder on a voice."


No, it's not unfounded. He flat-out told the guys that Steve had no intention of touring when they were preparing for the TBF sessions. The other guys thought he would.


Maybe Steve wanted to tour but when it was time for the rubber to meet the road, he admitted to himself that his voice was shot? I mean, c'mon - even Herbie admitted that Perry couldn't sing anymore. How many vocalists are willing to admit that their only isntrument is shot? I'm sure that Perry was the last one who wanted to admit it. I don't know if he ever will admit it. It's probably a source of shame and embarrassment to him.

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Postby BobbyinTN » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:30 am

Yep. It made me realize that Steve Perry was much more of an asshole than I ever thought and maybe that Herbie is right, the band should have NEVER given him such control.
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Postby Voyager » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:33 am

BobbyinTN wrote:Yep. It made me realize that Steve Perry was much more of an asshole than I ever thought and maybe that Herbie is right, the band should have NEVER given him such control.


Well then why did they? It was Herbie's business... and Herbie knew that Perry couldn't sing anymore... why didn't he step in and take control of his band?

Herbie Herbert wrote:What it really proved more than anything is the power of something that I was very responsible for. And make no mistake, I have the utmost respect for the talent of these individuals. I selected them man by man. I negotiated and put them into my band.


Just trying to look at it from a different angle. How can all of this be blamed on Perry?

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Postby lights1961 » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:34 am

I think i like Perry more now than ever.....

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Postby Marabelle » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:36 am

No, I think I'm too mindful of the fact that is a relationship between those two people. Just because one person thinks of you as a certain way it's not going to be global. Everyone doesn't have to base their thoughts and feelings on one man's opinion. One person or two people might not like me it doesn't mean that an entire room or city or section of the country is going to dislike me based upon one person's sentiments. Make your mind up for yourself.
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Postby strangegrey » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:40 am

No, not really.

If you really want to get the grit on Perry, you need to read Castles Burning...that interview allows Herbie to really tell what kind of prick Perry can be. it tells it in a very straight forward, honest way.

So in reading this interview, it didn't change anything per-se. I already thought Perry was a dick. This only reaffirmed what I had already read from Herbie.
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Postby Voyager » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:43 am

I think that Herbie and Neal look at their relationship with Steve Perry as a failed business partnership, with Perry being to blame. The rest of the world views Steve Perry in an Elvis-like music god way. My guess is that the closer you are to the inner workings of the band, the more you may be prone to share the Schon/Herbert view of Perry.

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Postby Saint John » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:27 am

Art Vandelay wrote:I do think that the slams on his '91 Bill Graham performance is a bit unfair.


Grossly unfair. Herbie contradicted himself there. He used the "muscle" analogy about staying in top vocal shape and then rides the guy when he sings for the first time in 5 years. Very unfair. I thought the fact that Perry, Mr. Protector of the "Legacy," not knowing the lyrics to Don't Stop Believin' and fucking up the words in Faithfully was far more apphauling than his performance.
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Postby Rockindeano » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:39 am

BobbyinTN wrote:Yep. It made me realize that Steve Perry was much more of an asshole than I ever thought and maybe that Herbie is right, the band should have NEVER given him such control.


This is exactly reason, why Herbert is the real asshole.

What a dick.
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Postby SteveForever » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:02 am

Herbie talks silly, he sounds like a 20 year old instead of a 60 year old. Guess he didn't want
to come across as an old toot, but he sounds crass and greedy. Did he ever marry cause the
way he talks about Neal is kind of gay too. He needs to remember he wasn't actually in the band, dude.
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Postby daytrpr » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:06 am

Perry may very well be an asshole, but don't forgot that this is coming from a grade-A asshole himself (Herbie, that is, not me). Heck, for all I know, they're all probably jerks. Except Rolie. He's cool.
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Postby The Fly » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:08 am

SteveForever wrote:Herbie talks silly, he sounds like a 20 year old instead of a 60 year old. Guess he didn't want
to come across as an old toot, but he sounds crass and greedy. Did he ever marry cause the
way he talks about Neal is kind of gay too. He needs to remember he wasn't actually in the band, dude.


Herbie is and has been very happily married for many years. He wasn't in the band no, He was their boss!
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Postby daytrpr » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:08 am

SteveForever wrote:Herbie talks silly, he sounds like a 20 year old instead of a 60 year old. Guess he didn't want
to come across as an old toot, but he sounds crass and greedy. Did he ever marry cause the
way he talks about Neal is kind of gay too. He needs to remember he wasn't actually in the band, dude.


He IS crass and greedy, and has pretty much admitted that himself. So yeah, you've got to take what the guy says with a grain of salt.
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Postby daytrpr » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:10 am

Deano...the Wazzu gear is killing me.

But tonight yes, Go Coogs.
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Postby NealIsGod » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:12 am

Moral of the story - Never give control to the band member with the least amount of shelf life.
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Postby sniper16 » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:16 am

i still feel
1 that he was one of the best singers i ever heard.
2 that he was a dick to me in person.
3 that raised on radio was more of a steve perry solo record than street talk.
4 that i prefer a rockin version of journey with a different singer, to a lounge show style journey with perry
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Postby Johnny Mohawk » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:23 am

My opinion is till this;

Perry's vocals are what made me a fan of Journey, and my favorite voice of all time.
If whatever decisions Perry made (or Herbie made for that matter) helped in the creation of the music that they put out, than I can accept the choices.
I enjoy and appreciate EVERY Perry-era Journey release (as well as his solo efforts). If having to butt heads behind the scenes was necessary for this to happen, than so be it.
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:27 am

Saint John wrote:
Art Vandelay wrote:I do think that the slams on his '91 Bill Graham performance is a bit unfair.


Grossly unfair. Herbie contradicted himself there. He used the "muscle" analogy about staying in top vocal shape and then rides the guy when he sings for the first time in 5 years. Very unfair. I thought the fact that Perry, Mr. Protector of the "Legacy," not knowing the lyrics to Don't Stop Believin' and fucking up the words in Faithfully was far more apphauling than his performance.


I didn't read it that way...

No, I said it in the one interview I did other than this one. No, what the hell, I said listen, here's what I want you to do. Go out there. There were so many people out there in Golden Gate Park for Bill Graham's wake. The Grateful Dead, Aaron Neville and all these artists performed and Journey performed that day. Journey performed, you take these songs and you get a tape of that and they took them down two whole steps. I mean, this is from E to A. They passed G to A, you know what I mean?
Knocking 'em down hard and Steve Perry's voice was all broken up. So, you know, forget about it. It was just so revealing. That was in '91 at which point that day I hadn't seen him since 1986 Raised on Radio and that was five years. And what an ugly encounter that was with Steve Perry that day.
That was the last time I ever saw him, Bill Graham's wake, and if I never saw him again it would be too soon.


I took it that he was just trying to prove the point that Perry's voice had deteriorated pretty drastically, not that he was knocking him for not having been singing for several years. As far as the comment about an "ugly encounter", I thought he was probably referring to his interaction with Perry that day and not Perry's performance.
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Postby ProgRocker53 » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:27 am

daytrpr wrote:Perry may very well be an asshole, but don't forgot that this is coming from a grade-A asshole himself (Herbie, that is, not me). Heck, for all I know, they're all probably jerks. Except Rolie. He's cool.


And Smitty. Don't forget him!
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Postby Voyager » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:28 am

The breakup of Steve Perry and Journey seems very similar to that of Styx and Dennis DeYoung. Both Steve and Dennis had visions of a direction that they felt their band should go that the other members of the band didn't agree with. Interestingly, neither band has put out any hit records without them.

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Postby brywool » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:32 am

Nope. Didn't change my opinion of him. Confirmed everything I've always thought about him and his voice and where that voice is now. The guy was the greatest male vocalist ever. He lost range from over use, age, and now probably non-use. He also was responsible for some bad decisions bandwise and appears to be a guy that knows what he wants and will do whatever to get it.

Same as I've always thought.
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Postby Voyager » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:52 am

brywool wrote:Nope. Didn't change my opinion of him. Confirmed everything I've always thought about him and his voice and where that voice is now. The guy was the greatest male vocalist ever. He lost range from over use, age, and now probably non-use. He also was responsible for some bad decisions bandwise and appears to be a guy that knows what he wants and will do whatever to get it.

Same as I've always thought.


Couldn't have said it better myself. Did Perry make mistakes? Of course - probably lots of them. But what does the general public think about Perry? Your avatar says it all.

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Postby SteveForever » Fri Mar 28, 2008 4:56 am

Does anyone else wonder if Herbie does have a "dog in this fight?"
Neal never bashes Perry in the media but maybe he urges his old big daddy to do it
for him?
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Postby WALEX » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:03 am

Johnny Mohawk wrote:My opinion is till this;

Perry's vocals are what made me a fan of Journey, and my favorite voice of all time.
If whatever decisions Perry made (or Herbie made for that matter) helped in the creation of the music that they put out, than I can accept the choices.
I enjoy and appreciate EVERY Perry-era Journey release (as well as his solo efforts). If having to butt heads behind the scenes was necessary for this to happen, than so be it.





My thought exactly!
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Postby WALEX » Fri Mar 28, 2008 5:03 am

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