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So WTF Does Everyone Think of Pineda Now?
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:19 amby Aaron
Folks,
I've seen a lot of post of folks either liking the new material because it sounds like Journey or hating it because it sounds too much like Journey (rehash). What does everyone think of Arnel now that we've heard him on the new material? Here are my brief thoughts:
1. Sounds nothing like Perry
2. Sound nothing like Augeri
3. He's out front on the mix (about fuckin time)
4. Has good power where he's singing
5. Never Walk Way doesn't explore the top end of Arnel's range
6. IT DOES SOUND LIKE JOURNEY NOW Thank God
The dude doesn't sound like a Perry clone at all but he's fuckin good, much better than I expected. He has good power and doesn't vibrato every fuckin note like I've heard on live clips. And as much as it pisses me off, the little bastard has given me goose bumps twice every time I listen to NWA. I say kudos man, you sound great and it sounds like Journey again. Now lets here some more of that range on the other songs.
L8r,
Aaron
P.S. Remake songs SUCK! Faith in the Heartland to boot, give me a fuckin break! Fix this fuck up before it's released Neal.
Re: So WTF Does Everyone Think of Pineda Now?
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:22 amby ProgRocker53
Aaron wrote:Folks,
I've seen a lot of post of folks either liking the new material because it sounds like Journey or hating because it sounds too much like Journey (rehash). What does everyone think of Arnel now that we've heard him on the new material? Here are my brief thoughts:
1. Sounds nothing like Perry
2. Sound nothing like Augeri
3. He's out front on the mix (about fuckin time)
4. Has good power where he's singing
5. Never Walk Way doesn't explore the top end of Arnel's range
6. IT DOES SOUND LIKE JOURNEY NOW Thanks God
The dude doesn't sound like Perry clone at all but he's fuckin good, much better than I expected. He has good power and doesn't vibrato every fuckin note like I've heard on live clips. And as much as it pisses me off, the little bastard has given me goose bumps twice every time I listen to NWA. I say kudos man, you sound great and it sounds like Journey again. Now lets here some more of that range on the other songs.
L8r,
Aaron
P.S. Remake songs SUCK! Faith in the Heartland to boot, give me a fuckin break! Fix this fuck up before it's released Neal.
I bolded everything I agreed with.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:27 amby Arkansas
Sure it sounds like Journey, but it doesn't sound like any NEW Journey.
The casual fan will hear a piece of it and think that it's an old song they forgot about, not something new and exciting.
later~
Re: So WTF Does Everyone Think of Pineda Now?
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:28 amby Since 78
Aaron wrote:Folks,
I've seen a lot of post of folks either liking the new material because it sounds like Journey or hating because it sounds too much like Journey (rehash). What does everyone think of Arnel now that we've heard him on the new material? Here are my brief thoughts:
1. Sounds nothing like Perry
2. Sound nothing like Augeri
3. He's out front on the mix (about fuckin time)
4. Has good power where he's singing
5. Never Walk Way doesn't explore the top end of Arnel's range
6. [b]IT DOES SOUND LIKE JOURNEY NOW[/b] Thanks God
The dude doesn't sound like Perry clone at all but he's fuckin good, much better than I expected. He has good power and doesn't vibrato every fuckin note like I've heard on live clips. And as much as it pisses me off, the little bastard has given me goose bumps twice every time I listen to NWA. I say kudos man, you sound great and it sounds like Journey again. Now lets here some more of that range on the other songs.
L8r,
Aaron
P.S. Remake songs SUCK! Faith in the Heartland to boot, give me a fuckin break! Fix this fuck up before it's released Neal.
I bolded eveything I didnt agree with.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:36 amby ttango1
Arkansas wrote:Sure it sounds like Journey, but it doesn't sound like any NEW Journey.
The casual fan will hear a piece of it and think that it's an old song they forgot about, not something new and exciting.
later~
You give casual fan too much credit. If they were casual like you say, then how would they know it's something they've heard before. Casual fan only knows Escape, and Frontiers....anything else to them sounds new.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:37 amby Aaron
Damn guys, will you give me a minute to fix my grammar errors before quoting?
And, this thread is not to bitch about whether the song is a rehash or not, it looks like there are two other threads full of pissing and moaning. I want to know what you think about Arnel's vocals on this new material please.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:46 amby Moose
I think we need to hear the rest of the new stuff before making a determination.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:57 amby youkeepmewaiting
I cant agree with anyone who say that Pineda does not sound good on the new song, those people are the bitter ones.
Arnel sounds great on the song.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 9:58 amby Arkansas
Aaron wrote:... I want to know what you think about Arnel's vocals on this new material please.
Okay, he sounds strong on lead and too blended on backing. There seems to be disparity between him being too far out front and the backing being too far back. In other words, I hear vocals that seem to be unbalanced and over-produced. I also think that AP still has a diction problem. There are some words where you can hear his accent. Right or wrong? Who's to say. But I know that I don't like it. In other parts, he sounds like Jimi Jamison. That's kinda cool.
But my connection to YouTube HD hasn't arrived yet, so current quality is poor at best.
Nobody can really do an objective review until we have our own copy of the finished product.
later~
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:05 amby Ehwmatt
Arkansas wrote:Aaron wrote:... I want to know what you think about Arnel's vocals on this new material please.
Okay, he sounds strong on lead and too blended on backing. There seems to be disparity between him being too far out front and the backing being too far back. In other words, I hear vocals that seem to be unbalanced and over-produced. I also think that AP still has a diction problem. There are some words where you can hear his accent. Right or wrong? Who's to say. But I know that I don't like it. In other parts, he sounds like Jimi Jamison. That's kinda cool.
But my connection to YouTube HD hasn't arrived yet, so current quality is poor at best.
Nobody can really do an objective review until we have our own copy of the finished product.
later~
Yeah, I'm going to reserve any comments on the mix til I hear the disc - no way you can get any sense from a radio recording posted on youtube, way too much lost there. I do hope the harmonies are higher on the actual disc.
I really think he sounds more like vintage Jimi Jamison than Perry. Sounds great on the song, but yes, I do agree, his accent is troublesome in small parts of the song, like when he says "Don't give up." It's a bit annoying, but definitely something I can deal with. Neal sounds killer on this song. It's going to be a good album.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:10 amby RocknRoll
I think AP sounds great and I love the song. Sounds like Journey. Anybody hearing this song is going to go "Hey, that's Journey" which I would think is exactly what the band would want.
Sorry I didn't notice the accent. Guess I was just enjoying the music.
Re: So WTF Does Everyone Think of Pineda Now?
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:14 amby Michigan Girl
Aaron wrote:Folks,
I've seen a lot of post of folks either liking the new material because it sounds like Journey or hating it because it sounds too much like Journey (rehash). What does everyone think of Arnel now that we've heard him on the new material? Here are my brief thoughts:
1. Sounds nothing like Perry
2. Sound nothing like Augeri
3. He's out front on the mix (about fuckin time)
4. Has good power where he's singing
5. Never Walk Way doesn't explore the top end of Arnel's range
6. IT DOES SOUND LIKE JOURNEY NOW Thank God The dude doesn't sound like a Perry clone at all but he's fuckin good, much better than I expected. He has good power and doesn't vibrato every fuckin note like I've heard on live clips. And as much as it pisses me off, the little bastard has given me goose bumps twice every time I listen to NWA. I say kudos man, you sound great and it sounds like Journey again. Now lets here some more of that range on the other songs.
L8r,
Aaron
P.S. Remake songs SUCK! Faith in the Heartland to boot, give me a fuckin break! Fix this fuck up before it's released Neal.
I want to hear more before state an opinion....But I bolded the ONE thing I know now!!!
Re: So WTF Does Everyone Think of Pineda Now?
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:17 amby Sarah
Aaron wrote:Remake songs SUCK! Faith in the Heartland to boot, give me a fuckin break! Fix this fuck up before it's released Neal.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:22 amby Barb
I think Arnel is great, but I really wish he'd work with a diction coach. I love NWA but, unfortunately, his accent comes through very stronly (and no I wasn't looking for it). I can't wait to hear the rest of the new music now.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:27 amby The Sushi Hunter
Same as I've always thought. The new song doesn't change a thing. I knew Arnel was awesome before he was with Journey and I think Journey's awesome with Arnel in it now. I think too many people have a hang up on SP being with Journey. Granted, SP was the man, but god damn it, it's like your child hood, best years of your life but they ain't coming back. It's great to look back on them, but don't stop moving forward and enjoy what is going on now.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 10:34 amby youkeepmewaiting
People are on about his accent, which I can understand. But for me, I listen to it and I think "that sounds like Pineda"
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:02 amby brywool
youkeepmewaiting wrote:I cant agree with anyone who say that Pineda does not sound good on the new song, those people are the bitter ones.
Arnel sounds great on the song.
Funny how that works, in't it?
People piss and moan about the accent. You can barely tell and who the hell cares? If it's good, it's good. The guy could sound EXACTLY like Perry and people'd still bitch. Arnel is as close as you're gonna get. Yeah, closer than those other guys too. I can't believe this is still being discussed at this point.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:15 amby journeybabe
I totally agree with the entire contents of the post written by Aaron, Sushi Hunter, and YKMWaiting........
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:22 amby Barb
brywool wrote:youkeepmewaiting wrote:I cant agree with anyone who say that Pineda does not sound good on the new song, those people are the bitter ones.
Arnel sounds great on the song.
Funny how that works, in't it?
People piss and moan about the accent. You can barely tell and who the hell cares? If it's good, it's good. The guy could sound EXACTLY like Perry and people'd still bitch. Arnel is as close as you're gonna get. Yeah, closer than those other guys too. I can't believe this is still being discussed at this point.
I think you're wrong about that. I have nothing against Arnel and am not looking for his accent. It's just there. I sent the song to my life long Journey friend and she also said she doesn't liking hearing the accent in Journey music. You can dismiss it, but it is an issue and it's not just people on this board who hear it.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:33 amby Since 78
Barb wrote:brywool wrote:youkeepmewaiting wrote:I cant agree with anyone who say that Pineda does not sound good on the new song, those people are the bitter ones.
Arnel sounds great on the song.
Funny how that works, in't it?
People piss and moan about the accent. You can barely tell and who the hell cares? If it's good, it's good. The guy could sound EXACTLY like Perry and people'd still bitch. Arnel is as close as you're gonna get. Yeah, closer than those other guys too. I can't believe this is still being discussed at this point.
I think you're wrong about that. I have nothing against Arnel and am not looking for his accent. It's just there. I sent the song to my life long Journey friend and she also said she doesn't liking hearing the accent in Journey music. You can dismiss it, but it is an issue and it's not just people on this board who hear it.
I still hear the accent, but its way less than it was. Its more about the voice to me, but I can see how it might bother some.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:38 amby Barb
Since 78 wrote:Barb wrote:brywool wrote:youkeepmewaiting wrote:I cant agree with anyone who say that Pineda does not sound good on the new song, those people are the bitter ones.
Arnel sounds great on the song.
Funny how that works, in't it?
People piss and moan about the accent. You can barely tell and who the hell cares? If it's good, it's good. The guy could sound EXACTLY like Perry and people'd still bitch. Arnel is as close as you're gonna get. Yeah, closer than those other guys too. I can't believe this is still being discussed at this point.
I think you're wrong about that. I have nothing against Arnel and am not looking for his accent. It's just there. I sent the song to my life long Journey friend and she also said she doesn't liking hearing the accent in Journey music. You can dismiss it, but it is an issue and it's not just people on this board who hear it.
I still hear the accent, but its way less than it was. Its more about the voice to me, but I can see how it might bother some.
It doesn't really bother me as much as it makes the song just sound kind of "off" a bit. I love the song.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:45 amby Monstrock
I don't care about a fucking accent you people are talkin about. Arnel's vocals is awesome as simple as that. Hell, there's so many different English Accent in this whole fuckin world, from Europe to America to Australia to Africa and to Asia and so forth and so on, so why is it so much of a big deal? Well, I did'nt notice Arnel's so called different American English Accent any way in NWA.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:13 pmby Allied Forces
Not a big Journey guy myself, although I like some of their songs. I was just ripped for being a Triumph fan by someone on here and that's ok. My advice, if you like a band do not worry about what others say. You have a right to your opinion and so do they. I love Triumph, but some people like Brooks and Dunn. Doesn't make either side right or wrong.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:14 pmby SteveForever
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:14 pmby Rick
Allied Forces wrote:Not a big Journey guy myself, although I like some of their songs. I was just ripped for being a Triumph fan by someone on here and that's ok. My advice, if you like a band do not worry about what others say. You have a right to your opinion and so do they. I love Triumph, but some people like Brooks and Dunn. Doesn't make either side right or wrong.
Triumph fucking rocks! Saw them in concert years ago and had a great time. Rik Emmett still has it too.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:18 pmby Allied Forces
Rick wrote:Allied Forces wrote:Not a big Journey guy myself, although I like some of their songs. I was just ripped for being a Triumph fan by someone on here and that's ok. My advice, if you like a band do not worry about what others say. You have a right to your opinion and so do they. I love Triumph, but some people like Brooks and Dunn. Doesn't make either side right or wrong.
Triumph fucking rocks! Saw them in concert years ago and had a great time. Rik Emmett still has it too.
Cool - I knew there had to be others here! When they reunite this summer I am sure the news and reviews will be here. Just wish they had their own forum.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:21 pmby JH'sTXfan
Ouch. AP's fans are not really helping him by making videos like that. I do think that he has a good voice, but no comparison to Perry.
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:23 pmby Aaron
Damn it SF, we both know that no one will ever touch SP! I'm not impressed with Arnel on that song at all.
Now what do you think of Arnel on the new song?
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:23 pmby AlteredDNA
Allied Forces wrote:Not a big Journey guy myself, although I like some of their songs. I was just ripped for being a Triumph fan by someone on here and that's ok. My advice, if you like a band do not worry about what others say. You have a right to your opinion and so do they. I love Triumph, but some people like Brooks and Dunn. Doesn't make either side right or wrong.
Ah, I see you've met Rockindeano...
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Fri Apr 25, 2008 12:24 pmby Rick
JH'sTXfan wrote:Ouch. AP's fans are not really helping him by making videos like that. I do think that he has a good voice, but no comparison to Perry.
I agree. Perry rolled his ass there.
