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This post is just one opinion, and won't likely sway either camp, but here we go anyway. The facts as I see them.

Steve Perry is considered the definitive vocalist of Journey. Accepted truth. It's accepted truth by fans and from within the band that he put them on the map. It's also acknowledged that the reverse is also true -- Journey put Steve Perry on the map.

In his prime, Steve Perry sang with a power, conviction, and passion that many consider will never be matched by Journey ever again. I agree. But most with working ears have to acknowledge that father time has marched on, and while the emotion is there, Perry's power is gone. A 60 year old (give or take) simply does not have the biological tools of a 30-40 year old, nor is he expected to.(one exception being paul rodgers who is a freak of nature and actually sounds better NOW) Even if Perry had the Power to match his existing emotion -- one vital component is missing and has been for over a decade: DESIRE. If Perry COULD -- he has CHOSEN to NOT.

Arnel is not Steve Perry in his prime. But then, neither is Steve Perry anymore. What Arnel is however, is a remarkable, powerful, and unique singer in his own right. In my opinion he is the BEST POSSIBLE singer for Journey NOW -- in 2008. In 2009 and beyond. Steve Perry couldn't hit the notes with the clarity Arnel did on the re-records if he recorded them NOW. But Perry doesn't have to because he did it better THEN.

My point it that while comparisons are inevitable -- particularly when you invite them by re-recording the greatest hits, the endless debate and even anger towards Arnel is silly. All of us have a past, present, and future. One is more favored and loved than others. But don't let what was forever eclipse what is and can be, because what was is memory. Arnel Pineda is what's right and what's BEST for NOW, not THEN. Let's let him be that and wish the man the best...


~Badcotune

Agreed on all counts.

Very good post. Agreed.

Concur.

Very good post.

Saint John wrote:Agreed on all counts.

Who cares on any count?

Nice post, Neal, but I saw the singer you should have picked last weekend.

Red13JoePa wrote:

Saint John wrote:Agreed on all counts.

Who cares on any count?

Obviously not the oxygen challenged that spend time and energy reading and
commenting on things they are apathetic about. Not them.

~Badcotune

exactly what Im thinking. Steve Perry does not want to be in the band anymore, they just want to continue making music and just so happened to find one that can do those songs justice. The whole arnel vs perry thing is just plain stupid. and that also goes for those people saying arnel will erase steve perry's legacy. They are just making everything worst.

Badcotune wrote:This post is just one opinion, and won't likely sway either camp, but here we go anyway. The facts as I see them.

Steve Perry is considered the definitive vocalist of Journey. Accepted truth. It's accepted truth by fans and from within the band that he put them on the map. It's also acknowledged that the reverse is also true -- Journey put Steve Perry on the map.

In his prime, Steve Perry sang with a power, conviction, and passion that many consider will never be matched by Journey ever again. I agree. But most with working ears have to acknowledge that father time has marched on, and while the emotion is there, Perry's power is gone. A 60 year old (give or take) simply does not have the biological tools of a 30-40 year old, nor is he expected to.(one exception being paul rodgers who is a freak of nature and actually sounds better NOW) Even if Perry had the Power to match his existing emotion -- one vital component is missing and has been for over a decade: DESIRE. If Perry COULD -- he has CHOSEN to NOT.

Arnel is not Steve Perry in his prime. But then, neither is Steve Perry anymore. What Arnel is however, is a remarkable, powerful, and unique singer in his own right. In my opinion he is the BEST POSSIBLE singer for Journey NOW -- in 2008. In 2009 and beyond. Steve Perry couldn't hit the notes with the clarity Arnel did on the re-records if he recorded them NOW. But Perry doesn't have to because he did it better THEN.

My point it that while comparisons are inevitable -- particularly when you invite them by re-recording the greatest hits, the endless debate and even anger towards Arnel is silly. All of us have a past, present, and future. One is more favored and loved than others. But don't let what was forever eclipse what is and can be, because what was is memory. Arnel Pineda is what's right and what's BEST for NOW, not THEN. Let's let him be that and wish the man the best...


~Badcotune

Agreed, although Arnel's vocals don't touch my soul the way Perry's do, there is no denying he is a great singer in his own right. Still wish I could have heard what the outcome of doing a Van Hagar had they gone in a harder direction with JSS.

And the only thing I'd change above is "and while the emotion and power are still there, all the range might not be.

Badcotune wrote:This post is just one opinion, and won't likely sway either camp, but here we go anyway. The facts as I see them.

Steve Perry is considered the definitive vocalist of Journey. Accepted truth. It's accepted truth by fans and from within the band that he put them on the map. It's also acknowledged that the reverse is also true -- Journey put Steve Perry on the map.

In his prime, Steve Perry sang with a power, conviction, and passion that many consider will never be matched by Journey ever again. I agree. But most with working ears have to acknowledge that father time has marched on, and while the emotion is there, Perry's power is gone. A 60 year old (give or take) simply does not have the biological tools of a 30-40 year old, nor is he expected to.(one exception being paul rodgers who is a freak of nature and actually sounds better NOW) Even if Perry had the Power to match his existing emotion -- one vital component is missing and has been for over a decade: DESIRE. If Perry COULD -- he has CHOSEN to NOT.

Arnel is not Steve Perry in his prime. But then, neither is Steve Perry anymore. What Arnel is however, is a remarkable, powerful, and unique singer in his own right. In my opinion he is the BEST POSSIBLE singer for Journey NOW -- in 2008. In 2009 and beyond. Steve Perry couldn't hit the notes with the clarity Arnel did on the re-records if he recorded them NOW. But Perry doesn't have to because he did it better THEN.

My point it that while comparisons are inevitable -- particularly when you invite them by re-recording the greatest hits, the endless debate and even anger towards Arnel is silly. All of us have a past, present, and future. One is more favored and loved than others. But don't let what was forever eclipse what is and can be, because what was is memory. Arnel Pineda is what's right and what's BEST for NOW, not THEN. Let's let him be that and wish the man the best...


~Badcotune

Very NICELY stated!!!

Badcotune wrote:Obviously not the oxygen challenged that spend time and energy reading and
commenting on things they are apathetic about. Not them.

~Badcotune

Oxygen deprived probably sums it up better, counts for dwindling cellular activity in the brain.

Rhiannon wrote:

Badcotune wrote:Obviously not the oxygen challenged that spend time and energy reading and
commenting on things they are apathetic about. Not them.

~Badcotune

Oxygen deprived probably sums it up better, counts for dwindling cellular activity in the brain.

I don't know what in hell either of you two dopes are talking about.
MY point was simply that haven't missed punxatawney steve since they got rid of him and don't now.

I like the soundclips, I am on board.

Honestly....who gives a fuck. Really?

I mean, I hate to sound like this...but who's singing right now and who's not? You're drawing a comparison you can't make anyway.

I know in the heat of the moment, it's easy to get caught up in the hoopla of who's better whos best....but the only other scenario can even remotely think of that comes close to comparing someone today to someone yesterday, is the comparisons between roger maris and babe ruth, during the 61 season. They made a HUGE stink out of desecrating Babe Ruth's legacy....pitchers wouldn't pitch to roger...roger was HATED.

And all the guy was trying to do was play fucking ball.....and the baseball press desperately tried to protect the legacy of a dead man. A fat dead man.

Fuck that.

Not that Perry is fat OR dead....but musically speaking, he's the equivalent of a bloated, fat, elvis in 1970. The only difference is that Perry either doesn't have the balls to show up wearing a jumpsuit that doesn't fit him anymore...or he has some semblance of dignity. Either way.....he's out of the picture. Leave the fucking guy alone.


Let's view this right now, as Arnel vs Arnel. No one else really needs to be in this debate anymore.



If any of you guys want Arnel to bring Journey back to life....the LAST thing you should be doing is trying to compare him to anyone. Let the music talk....let the little pinoy do his shit on his own terms. if he fails....he fails....if he kicks butt, he kicks butt.

But to watch his every move and go "steve perry could've done it better, worse, gay, straight, drunk, sober, dead, alive, blah blah blah".....is all academic.




Until the day Steve Perry walks into NoMoTa's front orafice and goes "fire the Pinoy, I want my gig back" and Assoff, Schon and Cain decide to take him at face value and do so....this is all a waste of oxygen and bandwidth. And if I had a few vegas chips to bet on Perry actually doing such a thing and following through with it....I'd lay down every chip against....not for it. I don't ever see Perry returning. ever. You can take all the suposed demos and horseshit he may or may not feed his insane asylum bullhorns....and shove it in a dark, stinky place with dingleberrys. I doubt steve perry is every going to show his face in music....ever again.


So really....comparing the two, is no different than trying to compare ruth to maris.....ones dead, ones alive and slagging away. I'm going to pat the fucker that's still doing it on his back and go "thanks for fighting the good fight, short fry. I appreciate it"

NealIsGod wrote:Nice post, Neal

Heh heh!

It's not about "anger" toward AP. Personally, I'm just angry that Journey felt the need to re-record those songs. It's fucking stupid. We know the songs and we all realize that A) Steve Perry is not in the band therefore B) someone else will be singing those songs on tour. That goes without saying, so WHAT the fuck was the point of redoing them instead of leaving well enough alone and moving ON with the new stuff.

Arnel is good singer, and they can probably have a couple more decent years putting out new material and touring. There was absolutely no need to rerecord the old material. Zero. And they don't sound great, and can't match what was already successful, so I'm, missing the point of it completely. And my position would be the same no matter what band we were talking about here, for the record. Or maybe for the "re"-record. LOL!

strangegrey wrote:


Until the day Steve Perry walks into NoMoTa's front orafice

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:Nice post, Neal

Heh heh!

It's not about "anger" toward AP. Personally, I'm just angry that Journey felt the need to re-record those songs. It's fucking stupid. We know the songs and we all realize that A) Steve Perry is not in the band therefore B) someone else will be singing those songs on tour. That goes without saying, so WHAT the fuck was the point of redoing them instead of leaving well enough alone and moving ON with the new stuff.

Arnel is good singer, and they can probably have a couple more decent years putting out new material and touring. There was absolutely no need to rerecord the old material. Zero. And they don't sound great, and can't match what was already successful, so I'm, missing the point of it completely. And my position would be the same no matter what band we were talking about here, for the record. Or maybe for the "re"-record. LOL!

Ya know.... maybe the only reason they did is because they could and because Perry wouldn't let them for so long. Maybe they did it because they know he didn't want them to. Who knows? I don't really care about that part anyway. It's their music and if they want to re record it, they should be able to.

Barb wrote:

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:Nice post, Neal

Heh heh!

It's not about "anger" toward AP. Personally, I'm just angry that Journey felt the need to re-record those songs. It's fucking stupid. We know the songs and we all realize that A) Steve Perry is not in the band therefore B) someone else will be singing those songs on tour. That goes without saying, so WHAT the fuck was the point of redoing them instead of leaving well enough alone and moving ON with the new stuff.

Arnel is good singer, and they can probably have a couple more decent years putting out new material and touring. There was absolutely no need to rerecord the old material. Zero. And they don't sound great, and can't match what was already successful, so I'm, missing the point of it completely. And my position would be the same no matter what band we were talking about here, for the record. Or maybe for the "re"-record. LOL!

Ya know.... maybe the only reason they did is because they could and because Perry wouldn't let them for so long. Maybe they did it because they know he didn't want them to. Who knows? I don't really care about that part anyway. It's their music and if they want to re record it, they should be able to.

I also read somewhere that the re recordings was Walmart's idea. The band own the rights to the songs and should be able to do as they please. Whats weird though I read that they sent a couple of re recordings to radio stations and are getting played

Barb wrote:It's their music and if they want to re record it, they should be able to.

That's true too. It is theirs and obviously nothing legally has stopped it, so yeah, they can do what they want. I guess my only point on that was that it doesn't mean just because they can means its a good idea.

And yes, equally stupid is the whole Arnel vs. Perry thing, but fuck, it happened with Augeri too, so it's not anything new or unexpected. Just gives those inclined something else to fight over.

Arnel sounds great on the new stuff.

They just shouldn't have touched the classics.

strangegrey wrote: You can take all the suposed demos and horseshit he may or may not feed his insane asylum bullhorns....and shove it

Badcotune wrote:This post is just one opinion, and won't likely sway either camp, but here we go anyway. The facts as I see them.

Steve Perry is considered the definitive vocalist of Journey. Accepted truth. It's accepted truth by fans and from within the band that he put them on the map. It's also acknowledged that the reverse is also true -- Journey put Steve Perry on the map.

In his prime, Steve Perry sang with a power, conviction, and passion that many consider will never be matched by Journey ever again. I agree. But most with working ears have to acknowledge that father time has marched on, and while the emotion is there, Perry's power is gone. A 60 year old (give or take) simply does not have the biological tools of a 30-40 year old, nor is he expected to.(one exception being paul rodgers who is a freak of nature and actually sounds better NOW) Even if Perry had the Power to match his existing emotion -- one vital component is missing and has been for over a decade: DESIRE. If Perry COULD -- he has CHOSEN to NOT.

Arnel is not Steve Perry in his prime. But then, neither is Steve Perry anymore. What Arnel is however, is a remarkable, powerful, and unique singer in his own right. In my opinion he is the BEST POSSIBLE singer for Journey NOW -- in 2008. In 2009 and beyond. Steve Perry couldn't hit the notes with the clarity Arnel did on the re-records if he recorded them NOW. But Perry doesn't have to because he did it better THEN.

My point it that while comparisons are inevitable -- particularly when you invite them by re-recording the greatest hits, the endless debate and even anger towards Arnel is silly. All of us have a past, present, and future. One is more favored and loved than others. But don't let what was forever eclipse what is and can be, because what was is memory. Arnel Pineda is what's right and what's BEST for NOW, not THEN. Let's let him be that and wish the man the best...


~Badcotune

YUP

daytrpr wrote:They just shouldn't have touched the classics.

Why the fuck not? Several schools of thought here:

1) Wal Mart mandated they be redone before they signed off on the new package. Fine by me.
2) It serves as a big "FUCK YOU, SnupplePerrygus!" Fine by be again.
3) It was the band's way of saying, "Here's our new singer. If you like what you hear come out and see a show this summer. If not, grab your Escape cassette, go sit in your Smokey And The Bandit 1977 Trans Am, run a hose from the exhaust into the car, seal any holes with duct tape, and enjoy."

Red13JoePa wrote:I don't what in hell either of you two dopes are talking about.

I'm talking oxygen supply. Don't read too much into it. I was talking semantics, nothing more.

Saint John wrote:

daytrpr wrote:They just shouldn't have touched the classics.

Why the fuck not? Several schools of thought here:

1) Wal Mart mandated they be redone before they signed off on the new package. Fine by me.
2) It serves as a big "FUCK YOU, SnupplePerrygus!" Fine by be again.
3) It was the band's way of saying, "Here's our new singer. If you like what you hear come out and see a show this summer. If not, grab your Escape cassette, go sit in your Smokey And The Bandit 1977 Trans Am, run a hose from the exhaust into the car, seal any holes with duct tape, and enjoy."

4) They did the re-records so they have something to lip to when they go on Dancing with the Stars, like Leppard shamelessly did recently. Anyone see that?

Ok...I've read Frank's post 3 or 4 times now, and I must say that it just gets funnier and funnier every time I read it. Easily one of the 20 funniest posts I've ever read here. And don't kid yourselves, it's also loaded with spot on assertions.

NealIsGod wrote:

Saint John wrote:

daytrpr wrote:They just shouldn't have touched the classics.

Why the fuck not? Several schools of thought here:

1) Wal Mart mandated they be redone before they signed off on the new package. Fine by me.
2) It serves as a big "FUCK YOU, SnupplePerrygus!" Fine by be again.
3) It was the band's way of saying, "Here's our new singer. If you like what you hear come out and see a show this summer. If not, grab your Escape cassette, go sit in your Smokey And The Bandit 1977 Trans Am, run a hose from the exhaust into the car, seal any holes with duct tape, and enjoy."

4) They did the re-records so they have something to lip to when they go on Dancing with the Stars, like Leppard shamelessly did recently. Anyone see that?

Yeah, that was pretty brutal, NIG. I will rip Journey to shreds if they do that.

bluejeangirl76 wrote:

NealIsGod wrote:Nice post, Neal

Heh heh!

It's not about "anger" toward AP. Personally, I'm just angry that Journey felt the need to re-record those songs. It's fucking stupid. We know the songs and we all realize that A) Steve Perry is not in the band therefore B) someone else will be singing those songs on tour. That goes without saying, so WHAT the fuck was the point of redoing them instead of leaving well enough alone and moving ON with the new stuff.

Arnel is good singer, and they can probably have a couple more decent years putting out new material and touring. There was absolutely no need to rerecord the old material. Zero. And they don't sound great, and can't match what was already successful, so I'm, missing the point of it completely. And my position would be the same no matter what band we were talking about here, for the record. Or maybe for the "re"-record. LOL!

It's not stupid. They did it for one reason. MONEY. Walmart is paying them for it. They're not going to be able to continue touring forever, so they need to take advantage of any avenues of income that happen their way.

Saint John wrote:Ok...I've read Frank's post 3 or 4 times now, and I must say that it just gets funnier and funnier every time I read it.

So have I.

I was particularly struck silly by "fire the Pinoy, I want my gig back", but SnufflePerrygus is pretty damn funny too SJ. The both of you are in interesting form.

LOL...I was actually laughing when I wrote it...