MR

this statement he gets it totally, i know i will be tarred and feathered for it...but who gives a rats ass when your right about the most important thing!!

ABC News' Ed O'Keefe Reports: The Obama campaign is taking issue with a comment President Bush made while speaking to the Knesset on the 60th anniversary of Israel's statehood.

"Some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along," the President said to the country's legislative body, "We have heard this foolish delusion before. As Nazi tanks crossed into Poland in 1939, an American senator declared: 'Lord, if only I could have talked to Hitler, all of this might have been avoided.' We have an obligation to call this what it is –- the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history."

The best thing is all the usual democtrats are insulted... so you know this statement is a HOME RUN!!!



PS to andrew...if you want to close this out if the firestorm gets to harsh at one another be my guest..



Rick

Yeah, Prez Bush has hit the nail on the head again, NOT! His foreign policies have crippled us globally and essentially done nothing to curb terrorism. Don't be lulled to sleep just because we haven't had another Sept. 11th.

Bedrock principle of the country, AND England: No negotiating, EVER, with terrorists.

epresley wrote:Yeah, Prez Bush has hit the nail on the head again, NOT! His foreign policies have crippled us globally and essentially done nothing to curb terrorism. Don't be lulled to sleep just because we haven't had another Sept. 11th.

If you think that 9-11 happened just because of American foreign policy you are mistaken. Al Quaeda formed just to get American soldiers off Saudi soil. That happened and did Al Quaeda disband? No, they just went on to the next cause. I think it is about time that people realize that the spread of militant Islam is rampant around the world and will soon drown out the cries of peaceful Muslims. Almost every war in the world right now is between Muslims and another group. It is against Buddhists in Thailand , Jews in Gaza, Hindus in India, and Christians in Africa. It is about imposing Sharia law worldwide and they will not stop til this is achieved. I suggest you read some of Robert Spencer's books on the subject. We are fighting them over there right now, but it will be on our own turf before long. The United States will be the last bastion of freedom in an Islamic world.

Saint John wrote:militant Islam

Those are the key words. Militant Islam has nothing to do with America's foreign policy or anyone else's.

And so diplomatic talks with Iran and N. Korea occurring under this administration were what?
Fearless Republican solutions to daunting questions in a post 9-11 world?

Reagan met with Gorbachev.
Nixon even met with the Chinese in secret.
Who gives a fuck?

Damn I wish I'd never gotten in this thread, I'm gonna go up and stick to the Nipple thread............not that I know any more about that one than politics................

epresley wrote:Yeah, Prez Bush has hit the nail on the head again, NOT! His foreign policies have crippled us globally and essentially done nothing to curb terrorism. Don't be lulled to sleep just because we haven't had another Sept. 11th.

Um...I'm sitting here in the Oakland Airport and I'm pretty sure there are no islamic terrorists anywhere around me.

No second "September 11th" means something, and the reason we have not had one is that the President hasn't been lulled to sleep by all those who would "reason" with Ahmadinijad (sp?) or the idiot who runs Syria.

Sorry, but let the populace be lulled into sleep. For me, I sleep better knowing I'm protected by a leader who is not.

And I'm so tired I have NO idea what I just wrote.

24 hours up is not good.

Hope it's understandable.

I may not be the biggest fan of Bush, but also I belive that its unfair to put the blame on Bush.
At the same time you can not give him credit just cause we only had one "9/11" during his term.
To all of you who slam Bush, think twice,,,, HOW did he get there? If anyone should be blamed its the people
The people who voted him in there....TWICE!
So instead of pointing fingers and putting blames, learn from your misstakes and open your eyes and pay attention
who you vote for, so we dont get ourselves into yet anotehr mess.......bitching and complaining about what would have been is not gonna help
this country's future....... Get out there and make a change!!!

Behshad wrote:I may not be the biggest fan of Bush, but also I belive that its unfair to put the blame on Bush.
At the same time you can not give him credit just cause we only had one "9/11" during his term.
To all of you who slam Bush, think twice,,,, HOW did he get there? If anyone should be blamed its the people
The people who voted him in there....TWICE!
So instead of pointing fingers and putting blames, learn from your misstakes and open your eyes and pay attention
who you vote for, so we dont get ourselves into yet anotehr mess.......bitching and complaining about what would have been is not gonna help
this country's future....... Get out there and make a change!!!

Good to see some common f'ing sense once in awhile.
Btw, get involved in your community too. Volunteer for public service. Run for local office.
You get what you give.


later~

The_Noble_Cause wrote:And so diplomatic talks with Iran and N. Korea occurring under this administration were what?
Fearless Republican solutions to daunting questions in a post 9-11 world?

Reagan met with Gorbachev.
Nixon even met with the Chinese in secret.
Who gives a fuck?

TNC IS SPEECHLESS. holy crap!! china is a country and so is USSR that is the difference....my guess he was really pointing his fingers at IRAN to
let them know anything happens to ISREAL...

Saint John wrote:If you think that 9-11 happened just because of American foreign policy you are mistaken. Al Quaeda formed just to get American soldiers off Saudi soil.

Those two sentences contradicted each other. Us being on their soil is a foreign policy. G.W. Bush sucks. Ron Paul!

lights1961 wrote:china is a country and so is USSR that is the difference....my guess he was really pointing his fingers at IRAN to
let them know anything happens to ISREAL...

Firstly, USSR was not a country.
Iran, however, is a country, so I'm not sure what point it is you are trying to make.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Reagan met with Gorbachev.
Nixon even met with the Chinese in secret.
Who gives a fuck?

There's a big difference in meeting with Gorbachev, the Chinese, etc., and people like Ahmadinejad of Iran. In the case of Gorbachev and China, they can at least be reasoned with to some degree because they don't want to risk losing their own lives and country.

Iran is a totally different case. Those in charge in Iran have a radical Islamic philosophy driving EVERYTHING they do. This philosophy believes in bringing about the end times as believed by their band of radicals. They WANT to bring about violence and bloodshed in the hopes that their 12th Imam (Islamic messiah) will reappear to lead their people into some kind of glorious worldwide Islamic paradise. Because of that, they have no qualms about sacrificing their very own lives to achieve that purpose. This makes them unlike any enemy that we've ever gone to war with (although to a small degree, this was like the Kamikaze fighters in WWII). They cannot be reasoned with or dissuaded from their goal because they only want to bring about total chaos even if it means losing millions of their own people and parts or all of their own country in the process.

If you wanna see things a bit clearer before you vote , I recommend that you at least give this book a try.

Read this one as well--

The Iraq war is a farce.

Bush used 9/11 to his full advantage.

conversationpc wrote:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Reagan met with Gorbachev.
Nixon even met with the Chinese in secret.
Who gives a fuck?

There's a big difference in meeting with Gorbachev, the Chinese, etc., and people like Ahmadinejad of Iran. In the case of Gorbachev and China, they can at least be reasoned with to some degree because they don't want to risk losing their own lives and country.

Iran is a totally different case. Those in charge in Iran have a radical Islamic philosophy driving EVERYTHING they do. This philosophy believes in bringing about the end times as believed by their band of radicals. They WANT to bring about violence and bloodshed in the hopes that their 12th Imam (Islamic messiah) will reappear to lead their people into some kind of glorious worldwide Islamic paradise. Because of that, they have no qualms about sacrificing their very own lives to achieve that purpose. This makes them unlike any enemy that we've ever gone to war with (although to a small degree, this was like the Kamikaze fighters in WWII). They cannot be reasoned with or dissuaded from their goal because they only want to bring about total chaos even if it means losing millions of their own people and parts or all of their own country in the process.

I think your completely wrong in this case,
1st of, those who are the leader with the beliefs you explained above, nowdays make about 5% of the population of Iran wanting what you say. Things have changed,,, They know that even if start something, they will not have the majority of the Iranians by their side....
They talk the big talk, but they would never dare to start anything, simply because they know that their own people are tired of them and the people would get rid of them rather than support a war, against US , Isarel or whomever it may be.....
What youre describing would be correct 20 years ago,,,, but at this point, the majority of the population of Iran are dead set against the goverment and waiting for smallest movement that could create a revolution and fall of the mullahs..

The_Noble_Cause wrote:

lights1961 wrote:china is a country and so is USSR that is the difference....my guess he was really pointing his fingers at IRAN to
let them know anything happens to ISREAL...

Firstly, USSR was not a country.
Iran, however, is a country, so I'm not sure what point it is you are trying to make.

it was just a vaste wasteland... well iran wants to eleminate ISREAL---that is what is up.

Rick

conversationpc wrote:There's a big difference in meeting with Gorbachev, the Chinese, etc., and people like Ahmadinejad of Iran.

You bet.
In the case of Gorbachev, they already had a nuclear arsenal pointing at the West.
Ahmidinejad, on the other hand, is just in the early stages of plutonium window shopping.

conversationpc wrote:Iran is a totally different case. Those in charge in Iran have a radical Islamic philosophy driving EVERYTHING they do. This philosophy believes in bringing about the end times as believed by their band of radicals. They WANT to bring about violence and bloodshed in the hopes that their 12th Imam (Islamic messiah) will reappear to lead their people into some kind of glorious worldwide Islamic paradise. Because of that, they have no qualms about sacrificing their very own lives to achieve that purpose. This makes them unlike any enemy that we've ever gone to war with (although to a small degree, this was like the Kamikaze fighters in WWII). They cannot be reasoned with or dissuaded from their goal because they only want to bring about total chaos even if it means losing millions of their own people and parts or all of their own country in the process.

More Beck end-of-days holyroller nonsense.

As I've repeatedly mentioned on this forum, the US has already negotiated with Iran on Iraqi security issues, as well as holding back channel talks concerning the nuclear issue.
So this is all moot.
Ahmadinejad is a barking lapdog, a superifical mouthpiece, unpopular among his own people, and possesing no power over the armed forces.

Well, hindsight is 20/20, but most of the world - including the USA - turned a blind eye to the plight of the Jews in WWII. It's well documented. Most Western governments knew well before 1944/45 and the liberations as to what was going on. So that statement is revisionist at best. Jews - as other religions and skin colors - were blatantly discriminated against in certain areas of life (PBS just did a great series called the Jewish Americans which is now on DVD) in the 20s, 30s, and 40s. It wasn't just Germany, but Germany took it to the extreme.

Hell, we all know what's going on in Darfur right now ... yet we're in other parts of the world. 'nuff said.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
As I've repeatedly mentioned on this forum, the US has already negotiated with Iran on Iraqi security issues, as well as holding back channel talks concerning the nuclear issue.
So this is all moot.
Ahmadinejad is a barking lapdog, a superifical mouthpiece, unpopular among his own people, and possesing no power over the armed forces.

100% CORRECT!

Behshad wrote:If you wanna see things a bit clearer before you vote , I recommend that you at least give this book a try.

I think his book sucked. It was very naive and not based in real 2000's life.

I completely agree with W here.......

youkeepmewaiting wrote:The Iraq war is a farce.

Bush used 9/11 to his full advantage.

The way we fought it was a farce for a long time, but its not a farce overall.

Yes he did...good+bad.

Eric wrote:I think his book sucked. It was very naive and not based in real 2000's life.

It WAS based in the real 2000s, but based on experiences from 1900s,,nothing wrong with that...... I bet you didnt like the part where he told the young generation to put their Ipods down for a minute and start worrying about the future,,,,, the future of this country,,, the future of our children,,,,,

when did obama say he would negotiate with terrorists and radicals? politics as usual

Lula wrote:when did obama say he would negotiate with terrorists and radicals? politics as usual

I dont know when he said it.... but the guys from Hamas must have heard the same thing, after all they saw fit to say what a good thing it would be if he were elected!

Gin and Tonic Sky wrote:

Lula wrote:when did obama say he would negotiate with terrorists and radicals? politics as usual

I dont know when he said it.... but the guys from Hamas must have heard the same thing, after all they saw fit to say what a good thing it would be if he were elected!

and now we will quote hamas to support w? show me where obama said he will negotiate with terrorists and radicals. good luck.

Behshad wrote:

Eric wrote:I think his book sucked. It was very naive and not based in real 2000's life.

It WAS based in the real 2000s, but based on experiences from 1900s,,nothing wrong with that...... I bet you didnt like the part where he told the young generation to put their Ipods down for a minute and start worrying about the future,,,,, the future of this country,,, the future of our children,,,,,

I liked that quote actually, but the majority of the book was him being stuck in a pre-911 mindset.