MR

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2008 3:31 pm**

http://www.creators.com/lifestylefeatur ... 05-26.html

Journey singer/songwriter/keyboardist Jonathan Cain reports the band is sticking by its new Filipino lead singer Arnel Pineda -- despite some racist responses from concertgoers when Arnel was introduced earlier this year.

"As much as we like to think we're this hip country, we're not," says Cain. "There are still a lot of backward people living amongst us and it's going to happen. But we're just going to have to roll with that. It's there, it's part of America but I'm just ignoring it."

Cain says he knew Arnel was The One when he discovered him singing Journey songs on YouTube. "This guy was meant to sing our music. He can sing it in his sleep. It was destiny and Arnel is no mistake. He fit in our camp perfectly and we're really excited to have him."

The current incarnation of the classic rock band -- which also includes guitarist Neal Schon, bassist Ross Valory and drummer Deen Castronovo -- is set to head out on the concert trail with Heart and Cheap Trick July 9 with a kickoff concert in Denver, Colo., in support of the band's new release, "Revelation." They'll be performing two songs on Ellen DeGeneres' show Wednesday (5/28) with other appearances to follow.

Cain says the most personal song on the CD is "After All These Years." "It's just a love song from the heart I wrote for my wife," he says. "We're going on 20 years now and I got up one morning and wrote it in about 40 minutes. I got her in the studio and played it for her. I knew I had a good song when she was touched." The three-disc CD/DVD will be available at Wal-Mart stores June 3.

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2008 3:44 pm**

What?!? I thought Cain feels that Journey writes songs for rednecks... the Wal-Mart crowd... the common folk... the little people! Don't bite the hand that feeds ya!

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2008 4:18 pm**

Rip Rokken wrote:What?!? I thought Cain feels that Journey writes songs for rednecks... the Wal-Mart crowd... the common folk... the little people! Don't bite the hand that feeds ya!

So he should condone the racism to avoid offending redneck fans?

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2008 5:17 pm**

I thought Neal found Arnel on YouTube, not Jon. Trouble afoot.

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2008 7:11 pm**

It's gonna be a "I Saw Him First" fight to the death between Friga and Fro :lol:

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2008 7:23 pm**

maybe neal was sitting in jon's lap when they discovered arnel on youtube :lol:

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2008 8:34 pm**

mikemarrs wrote:maybe neal was sitting in jon's lap when they discovered arnel on youtube

Now that IS funny! :lol:

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2008 9:38 pm**

I remember watching one of Arnel's TV interviews after he was officially announced as Journey's frontman saying that during his audition, Neal would always tell his bandmates that he is their guy and that he is the real deal - and he briefly mentioned that Jon was not totally sold on him in the beginning.

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2008 9:56 pm**

mikemarrs wrote:maybe neal was sitting in jon's lap when they discovered arnel on youtube

That is just to funny :wink:

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2008 10:23 pm**

pineda1 wrote:I remember watching one of Arnel's TV interviews after he was officially announced as Journey's frontman saying that during his audition, Neal would always tell his bandmates that he is their guy and that he is the real deal - and he briefly mentioned that Jon was not totally sold on him in the beginning.

Yep.
That's exactly what I remember too.

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2008 11:08 pm**

pineda1 wrote:I remember watching one of Arnel's TV interviews after he was officially announced as Journey's frontman saying that during his audition, Neal would always tell his bandmates that he is their guy and that he is the real deal - and he briefly mentioned that Jon was not totally sold on him in the beginning.

Sounds exactly like how Neal tried to sell Soto to Friga. He even said Soto was the "real deal", too.

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2008 11:22 pm**

Barb wrote:http://www.creators.com/lifestylefeatures/hollywood-exclusive/the-hollywood-exclusive-2008-05-26.html

Journey singer/songwriter/keyboardist Jonathan Cain reports the band is sticking by its new Filipino lead singer Arnel Pineda -- despite some racist responses from concertgoers when Arnel was introduced earlier this year.

"As much as we like to think we're this hip country, we're not," says Cain. "There are still a lot of backward people living amongst us and it's going to happen. But we're just going to have to roll with that. It's there, it's part of America but I'm just ignoring it."

Cain says he knew Arnel was The One when he discovered him singing Journey songs on YouTube. "This guy was meant to sing our music. He can sing it in his sleep. It was destiny and Arnel is no mistake. He fit in our camp perfectly and we're really excited to have him."

The current incarnation of the classic rock band -- which also includes guitarist Neal Schon, bassist Ross Valory and drummer Deen Castronovo -- is set to head out on the concert trail with Heart and Cheap Trick July 9 with a kickoff concert in Denver, Colo., in support of the band's new release, "Revelation." They'll be performing two songs on Ellen DeGeneres' show Wednesday (5/28) with other appearances to follow.

Cain says the most personal song on the CD is "After All These Years." "It's just a love song from the heart I wrote for my wife," he says. "We're going on 20 years now and I got up one morning and wrote it in about 40 minutes. I got her in the studio and played it for her. I knew I had a good song when she was touched." The three-disc CD/DVD will be available at Wal-Mart stores June 3.

So if Perry is The Voice then this makes Arnel The One????

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2008 11:23 pm**

You know, as much as I try to stay out of this shit these days....I find it quite entertaining to see you guys discover and pick out the very things/issues that I've been calling attention to for years.

If there's a straight/honest story that comes out of Nomota, I guarantee you, it's not by anyone currently involved in revenue generation or expense usage (i.e., not a band member or employee). So while there might be some truth to the idea that *someone* said Arnel is the "real deal"...whether it was Jon, Neal or *someone* else that said it....is anybody's guess, that's for shit sure.

What I find most interesting is the 'racism' that now Jon is calling attention to. What exactly was said or done. it's one thing to say there's racism going on....it's another to say it's going on without being specific. The former requires exemplification....the second one where there is no example (however the burden of proof is required of the accuser), is merely calling attention to oneself as a race baiting piece of chicken shit. I thought even Friga was smarter than even that! :roll:

Was the actual example of 'racism' in the article or not? frankly, I'm too fucking lazy/not interested to even click through to stories where journey band members are back pedaling with the press....if so, I'll stand corrected (on calling friga a race baiting piece of chicken shit).....but whatever...

Posted: **Mon May 26, 2008 11:25 pm**

Ah, I just clicked through to the link....nothing more revealed than right here.

I guess my initial observation is correct.

Friga's just a race baiting piece of chicken shit....nothing more, nothing less. :roll:

Posted: **Tue May 27, 2008 12:05 am**

You know what Frank?

I'm feelin' ya bruh.

Other than two or three jackasses on here (and I know you weren't one) in the very beginning there was NO racism at all, almost anywhere, in the Journey fanbase..

Posted: **Tue May 27, 2008 12:06 am**

So much comparisons and different beliefs that keeps us all separated this "issue" is just an example of more problems in the real world. We can't deny the fact that even up to now "racism" sadly exist, but when it comes to music we should call it "preferences". We are all naturally born unique and different from the rest,we like things that for some may sound odd but we have given the freedom to choose. This NEW JOURNEY the kind of music they create sounds more appealing to me (maybe it's just me), music is a universal language that makes people unite. Just a piece of thought guys

Posted: **Tue May 27, 2008 12:17 am**

Sarah wrote:
Rip Rokken wrote:What?!? I thought Cain feels that Journey writes songs for rednecks... the Wal-Mart crowd... the common folk... the little people! Don't bite the hand that feeds ya!

So he should condone the racism to avoid offending redneck fans?

I was being facetious of course, but it was another subtle barb at how I feel Jon "measures" who their audience is -- kinda like a racist stereotypes other people without knowing them?

Posted: **Tue May 27, 2008 12:24 am**

Well, I don't think you have to look too far to find racist comments about Arnel. Why does Jon have to explain the racism to you, for you not to think he's "Race-baiting"? There were several "Arnel eats dogs" threads in here right when they first announced it. The guys in the band DO pop in here from time to time. I appreciate that Andrew put a stop to it too! It's a shame that people can be such jackasses! :roll:

Posted: **Tue May 27, 2008 12:28 am**

If the new lead singer doesn't look the bill or has an accent - that is not a racist on the part of those who do not like him. I haven't heard him really and am only going by people's opinion that I have read. Whether this man sinks or swims will be determined by concert attendence and record sales. Point blank. As for "dog eating" I do believe that is a cultural trait and not of any one race. This forum has always been politically incorrect. One beloved member has always used the term "smelly Euros" and made fun of Mexicans so those throwing the racist term around are being very hypocritcal.

As a Canadian, I have never gotten ticked off or offended by the Terrance and Phillip gags on South Park. The writers play off of stereotypes, and I don't think they are racist. People are way too sensitive these days.

Sorry, but I just feel we should be talking about music here. The finger pointing and playing the victim card is getting really old.

Posted: **Tue May 27, 2008 12:37 am**

Must be Cain's week to sound idiotic.

There are ways to confront this stuff without ridiculing others in the process.

And xenophobia would be more accurate than racism...

Posted: **Tue May 27, 2008 12:40 am**

Allied Forces wrote:If the new lead singer doesn't look the bill or has an accent - that is not a racist on the part of those who do not like him. Whether this man sinks or swims will be determined by concert attendence and record sales. Point blank. As for "dog eating" I do believe that is a cultural trait and not of any one race. This forum has always been politically incorrect. One beloved member has always used the term "smelly Euros" and made fun of Mexicans so those throwing the racist term around are being very hypocritcal.

As a Canadian, I have never gotten ticked off or offended by the Terrance and Phillip gags on South Park. The writers play off of stereotypes, and I don't think they are racist. People are way too sensitive these days.

Sorry, but I just feel we should be talking about music here. The finger pointing and playing the victim card is getting really old.

I assume you're referring to me? Tell me one time when I made a racist remark on this forum. That would make me a hypocrite! As far as your "finger pointing" remark, if someone is doing someone else wrong...I'll call them on it. It's called being a decent human being and doing what's right. I don't give a damn WHAT race somebody is.

Who's playing the "Victim"???

And yes, certain countries eat dogs. It's the context in which that comment was being used that was so disrespectful.

Posted: **Tue May 27, 2008 12:43 am**

MarcelJordan wrote:
mikemarrs wrote:maybe neal was sitting in jon's lap when they discovered arnel on youtube

Now that IS funny!

Only if he was jumping up and down. LOL

Seriously though, Arnel rocks and a person would have to be deaf not to know that.

Posted: **Tue May 27, 2008 12:44 am**

Allied Forces wrote:If the new lead singer doesn't look the bill or has an accent - that is not a racist on the part of those who do not like him. I haven't heard him really and am only going by people's opinion that I have read. Whether this man sinks or swims will be determined by concert attendence and record sales. Point blank. As for "dog eating" I do believe that is a cultural trait and not of any one race. This forum has always been politically incorrect. One beloved member has always used the term "smelly Euros" and made fun of Mexicans so those throwing the racist term around are being very hypocritcal.

As a Canadian, I have never gotten ticked off or offended by the Terrance and Phillip gags on South Park. The writers play off of stereotypes, and I don't think they are racist. People are way too sensitive these days.

Sorry, but I just feel we should be talking about music here. The finger pointing and playing the victim card is getting really old.

Wow, you need to stick around. You and the Daves (PC and 28) have to be the most level-headed people on this board.

Posted: **Tue May 27, 2008 12:49 am**

G.I.Jim wrote:And yes, certain countries eat dogs. It's the context in which that comment was being used that was so disrespectful.

That I totally agree with.

Posted: **Tue May 27, 2008 12:51 am**

G.I.Jim wrote:
Allied Forces wrote:If the new lead singer doesn't look the bill or has an accent - that is not a racist on the part of those who do not like him. Whether this man sinks or swims will be determined by concert attendence and record sales. Point blank. As for "dog eating" I do believe that is a cultural trait and not of any one race. This forum has always been politically incorrect. One beloved member has always used the term "smelly Euros" and made fun of Mexicans so those throwing the racist term around are being very hypocritcal.

As a Canadian, I have never gotten ticked off or offended by the Terrance and Phillip gags on South Park. The writers play off of stereotypes, and I don't think they are racist. People are way too sensitive these days.

Sorry, but I just feel we should be talking about music here. The finger pointing and playing the victim card is getting really old.

I assume you're referring to me? Tell me one time when I made a racist remark on this forum. That would make me a hypocrite! As far as your "finger pointing" remark, if someone is doing someone else wrong...I'll call them on it. It's called being a decent human being and doing what's right. I don't give a damn WHAT race somebody is.

Who's playing the "Victim"???

And yes, certain countries eat dogs. It's the context in which that comment was being used that was so disrespectful.

No not referring to you at all. Sorry if you thought that.

I can see Jonathan Cain and the band's organization perpetuating this though. "If you criticize our choice of singers you are racist." That I can definitely read into the comments posted if they are in fact really what he said.

Again, the band will sink or swim based on sales, attendence and income. Nothing more, nothing less.

Posted: **Tue May 27, 2008 1:08 am**

G.I.Jim wrote:Well, I don't think you have to look too far to find racist comments about Arnel. Why does Jon have to explain the racism to you, for you not to think he's "Race-baiting"? There were several "Arnel eats dogs" threads in here right when they first announced it. The guys in the band DO pop in here from time to time. I appreciate that Andrew put a stop to it too! It's a shame that people can be such jackasses!

That may well be true i don't give a ratsass if he is pink or whatever.

Posted: **Tue May 27, 2008 1:13 am**

G.I.Jim wrote:
And yes, certain countries eat dogs. It's the context in which that comment was being used that was so disrespectful.

Agreed... Some people seem to want to throw that out there whenever Arnel's name comes up. If people want to read about that sort of thing, they can go to Wikipedia and read all they want, but it has no business here. It's just another tactic and round-about way of trying to insult the guy here on this forum.

Posted: **Tue May 27, 2008 1:18 am**

I think some of the worst comments were on Youtube when AP was first announced.

Posted: **Tue May 27, 2008 1:31 am**

RocknRoll wrote:I think some of the worst comments were on Youtube when AP was first announced.

I feel that is just sad to do that to him.I am not into journey with him but i am happy for him.As he is doing what he loves. When the day is done he is still a man who has feelings like us.I just hope he dose not get screwed by them like others have.

Posted: **Tue May 27, 2008 1:33 am**

Deb wrote:
Allied Forces wrote:If the new lead singer doesn't look the bill or has an accent - that is not a racist on the part of those who do not like him. I haven't heard him really and am only going by people's opinion that I have read. Whether this man sinks or swims will be determined by concert attendence and record sales. Point blank. As for "dog eating" I do believe that is a cultural trait and not of any one race. This forum has always been politically incorrect. One beloved member has always used the term "smelly Euros" and made fun of Mexicans so those throwing the racist term around are being very hypocritcal.

As a Canadian, I have never gotten ticked off or offended by the Terrance and Phillip gags on South Park. The writers play off of stereotypes, and I don't think they are racist. People are way too sensitive these days.

Sorry, but I just feel we should be talking about music here. The finger pointing and playing the victim card is getting really old.

Wow, you need to stick around. You and the Daves (PC and 28) have to be the most level-headed people on this board.

You're only saying that because I'm Canadian.

MR

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